Recommend article, New York Times, the title is The Other Brain Also Deals With Many Woes. It is very relevant and possibly VERY helpful to think of the enteric system as a whole little nervous system. I think partly because framing things this way can be empowering to people, encouraging confidence in how we can relax and take care of ourselves. Fascinating and insightful stuff.....
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it is interesting and makes a lot of sense to me. But there are others who say they don't have stresses in their life, they're always happy and don't feel it impacts on their reflux issues.
Re the honey and costs - as a suggestion try juicing a carrot and apple each morning and don't eat anything for half an hour. Carrot juice is also a healer and you might find that helps. Or maybe even the honey once a day would help, and if you did twice a day, 500grams should last for 7 - 8 weeks, so more cost effective. Maybe the carrot juice for the morning and honey for dinner and before going to bed. I know , I know Brien, I'm full of brilliant ideas.
Date collected: 05.01.12
Time collected: 11:50
Plasma 25 Hydroxy Vitamin D 65 nmol/L (50 - 150)
50 - 150 nmol/L Optimal target range for bone health.
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Loks like mine are 65 so within the acceptable range - they say 50 -150 - but everything I've read says 60 - 80 so mine are only just inside that 60 level - and I would suspect possibly drop below over winter - also I have been taking fish oil and Vit D for the last few months.
I'm kind of disappointed. But at elst it isn't something else I need to work on.
anyway that's probably not good news for you EEW - knew I'd be the exception to the rule if there was one lol.
Hmmmm the Kiwis may scale it differently. Like in the movie "Spinal Tap" where Nigel's amp went to eleven... your 25 hydroxy goes to 150. You guys are special. The scale I am familiar with goes to 100, with the acceptable range from 30 up, and according to the good doctor in Tyler Texas, between 60 and 80 is the ideal range. You might write her! She seems very friendly, Eew did. I got like three replies from my questions. You can ask her what the 50 --100 scaling system means to her and her thoughts on being in the optimum according to that. Stasha Gominak in Tyler TX
I could take this is a couple directions were I you. One, the doc and result says you are 'ok' because you fall between 50 and 150 and you let it go. But there is also the 'subclinical' thought process.... yes, you are 'ok' but really only a little over the line and it could make a difference.... food for thought...
Jude, your score is great! Dr G's opinion is that is should be 65. Good you are taking your D3. How long have you been taking it? Are you starting your sleep at night between 9-10 pm? Are you on a good B Complex vitamin? Are you sitting in the sun 20 minutes every day? Just curious. Approximately when did you start D3? One of my family members had their D tested and got the score today and called me, he had a D score of 12. His Dr is putting him on D3 right away. He has not been able to sleep for years without taking sleeping pills. Dr. G's opinon is that Vit D helps you get deep restorative "paralizing" sleep. The sleep is what creates the healing processes in our body. What are your thoughts? Do you feel like your better since you started Vit D? Or the same. I'm very interested in knowing if I'm the only one that got better with LPR and taking Vit D3. This last week I've added the direct sun on my skin for 20 mintues a day, go to bed between 9-10 p.m. and I'm taking a good B complex vitamin after I read Dr. G's web site. I feel that I have a noticeable improvement in the last week doing these additional things in addition to vit D drops. I told my family member it will take 3-5 months to notice a difference. Low D and High D cause the same problems in the body. The body likes hormone D best at the score of 65 (60-80 range). Lets keep our experiment going and chronicle our collective progress. Thank you for doing this with me.
I think I am perpetually on. Logged in, that is. Good evening Eew!
How are you feeling right now Brien? Did you get your sun today? Getting to bed earlier? I'm sure keeping my hopes up that other people with LPR (and other illness) can get relief from Vit D3 drops, sleep and direct sun. Good idea from what Dr. G discusses that we test our B12 levels too...
Hi eew, been taking the VIt d with the fish oil for a few months, but stopped for a while as I wondered if the fish oil was giving me relfux.
My sleeps are terrible, and I've been trying to make sure I am in bed earlier, between 9.30 and 10 at the latest. Sorry my reflux has been the worst since the Vit D, but it is only within the fish oil, not a stand alone supplement.
No I don't take Vit B, When I had my blood test done I saw Vit B on there and thought i should maybe get that checked as well.
Happy to do this with you, just sorry it doesn't seem to be my problem. But then my lack of decent sleep could be my problem??? Just thought that, as I never sleep all night. Maybe I should get something herbal to help me get some deeper sleep. Interesting thought.
Jude...yes! that could exactly be the problem according to the opinion of Dr. G. Her opinion is that Vit D helps us get into the deep restorative "paralizing" sleep. But its the deep sleep that helps us heal our bodies each night. Without deep "paralizing" sleep Vit D doesn't work.
I knew Vit D helped but I was having trouble finding the next dot to make sense of it all. As soon as I starting taking Vid D I starting sleeping all night instead of waking up and sometimes just laying there awake hours at a time. Specifically I had a particular habit of staying up late for decades. Over time this may have slowly deteriorated my health. On top of that I avoided the sun for 40 years. A real receipe for disasterous health problems. My esphogeal sphincters just went "limp".
I've just started taking a real good Vit B complex. How much D3 do you take a day? If your already up to the range I wonder if you should be cutting back to a maintenance level...like maybe around 2,000 IU of D3 a day...what do you think? I do think if your sleep is still not good that is the problem. Would you consider writing Dr. G and asking her? There may be something we are missing with your situation.
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Today was overcast -- there are a few odd overcast days when it's an 'arty' vibe for me, good for hot coffee, classical station, getting some things done around the house-- very calming. However these days I need that blue sky and sun, you know it.
I got a message to my doc here about getting a B12 test, I think I'm not gonna hear back. I think it's a good idea though... As far as sleep goes, I have much work to do now in terms of making my day environment lighter so my brain knows it's day, and a lot of other things, needing to snap out of this... Can't keep getting such fragmented sleep.
Yeah, Jude I know what you mean, it's chicken/egg perpetual loop of causes when you look at sleep as causative and a casualty of other things. I am very hopeful for the D hormone to do something for me, as I was so deficient, but it might take awhile.
Eew, there have been a few nights since starting the repletion that my need to sleep has been heavier, I've been more relaxed, maybe more of a wasted feeling the next day (good change) however there are mornings that revert back to waking up and knowing I was in some stage of sleep for x hours and my brain didn't get a reboot. Steps forward and back... it needs to be brought up no matter what though! (The D)
...also Brien, I think you also have sleep apnea too, correct? I also have that. So that also contributes to not allowing us to sleep deep. We might think we are sleeping deep but it is possible we aren't there yet.
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I'd have to look at the Vit D level on the bottle, but not a lot i should think.
It just suddenly occured to me could lack of sleep play a part in this. That is something anyone can suffer from, babies, children, teenagers and adults.
Time for bed
Jude
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Jude: like Brien mentioned, do you think that there is a chance that your scoring system on Vit D (hormone) is different than the US? Just a thought. When you mentioned your score the range was different than our test here. Your test went up to 150. Ours goes to 100. Just wondering about this...what dosage for each pill does your Vit D bottle say?
Hi Jude, your test range looks different than ours. How do we find out if your country's measurement is the same as the USA? Do you think that you could go ask a pharmacist if there are different types of D level ranges depending on the country your in? Let us know Jude. Curious about this. Does your score of 60 mean that your at a good level or on the low side in your country's Vit D level range? We have to find this out. If possible try to take a B12 level lab work. I agree with you, I think your not sleeping is the key reason your not feeling better. That is the mystery in your case. Are you able to ask if you can take a sleep apnea test?
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When I spoke to the dr last week she told me between 60 and 80 was the accepted level. So looks like I am just on the good side. Better than the bad side though.
Is interesting about sleep, as they said a symptom of LPR is bad sleep patterns. Makes you wonder if its the other way around, and is LPR caused in some part by bad sleep.
Is interesting about sleep, as they said a symptom of LPR is bad sleep patterns. Makes you wonder if its the other way around, and is LPR caused in some part by bad sleep. Jude
Do you snore? I wonder how many LPR people snore. Just sent off for a cheap appliance to advance my lower jaw forward at night... my brother and I have been talking about things that don't make sense with my sleep study, and that 'apneic' arousal are more likely caused by waking to my own snoring for years! There is some speculation around that reflux is exacerbated by snoring as in a sunctioning effect, but even without that, you think all the tissues in back of throat could be sensitized and contribute to spasming and wonky nerve messaging down the gullet. 55 dollars is not a lot to find out if there is a difference.
Hi Brien and Jude: I'm heading to bed...have to get there before 10 pm! Just wanted to let you know Brien that I tried quite a few of those snoring devices that move you jaw forward. In my experience they don't work. I even tried the material that wraps around the head to hold the jaw...didn't work for me. I tried the Aveo TSD, holds the tongue, and when I tested on it twice, at the sleep clinic, I have no sleep apnea. Most people have the tongue fall back into the throat and the Aveo TSD really nips that problem. The nurses were quite impressed by the its simplicity and low cost. They ordered it for themselves and their spouse. Alot of people have sleep apnea problems.
Sweet dreams, eew. The Aveo is 180, the other 50 bucks, big part of my decision.... Can I borrow your Aveo to test it? (joke). I thought the idea behind it was intriguing and maybe that's the next experiment... for now we'll have to see what the boil and bite thing does!
