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Old 03-07-2004, 01:00 PM   #1
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Acne & Xylitol - Clear Skin AND Sugar Too?

Hey all,
I have a question for you, why does it seem that the U.S. is usually the last of the ďbigĒ countries to ever change? National healthcare is in other countries, but not here. Improved factory farming practices are in other countries, but not here. Banning of certain chemicals and elements that have been found detrimental has been implemented, in other countries, but they are still allowed here!

Why does it seem that they are always trying to shove things that are bad for us ďdown our throatsĒ? Why do dermatologists give us substances that may be cancerous, cause birth defects, or load us full of antibiotics? Why do doctors, even some specialists, ignore our cries or give us more antibiotics? Why do our dentists shove mercury in our teeth and pump us full of fluoride? I just donít get, do any of you???

So instead of pointing fingers at our usual suspects, lets talk about oral hygiene:

Did you know that Mercury is toxic? That itís toxicity was known long before its use began in amalgam fillings (1829)? As a result, it can lead to a variety of health problems, possibly even acne (reduces ability to utilize zinc - zinc deficiency). Did you know it could elect to choose amalgam or composite (silicon dioxide) fillings usually for the same price? Thankfully, over time Iíve replaced all but one of my amalgam fillings, and this oneís about to go soon too.

Of course, this leads us to why we need fillings in the first place. Usually itís because we have cavities or we cracked our tooth, right? Well what is it that they push for us all to use? Flouride! Thatís right up until we reach a certain age fluoride shots are covered by our dental insurance. After that we have to pay for them, but thatís OK, because some of our communities have fluoridated water (started in 1945), and if yours doesnít your toothpastes or other dental products are guaranteed to be full of it. In terms of brushing our teeth, we canít escape fluoride unless you make your own toothpastes or use a natural/specialty brand that excludes it. Yet other countries like China, Sweden, & most of Europe have BANNED fluoridation or the use of fluoride entirely!

Why would they ban something so ďbeneficial?Ē Itís supposed to help make our teeth stronger and fight cavities (by 0.6%). It has the ability to (mimic and) increase IGF-1 levels (remember how bad this is for Acne?). It has the ability to mimic Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH, Thyrotropin) thus also activating the production of Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) and Luteinizing Hormone (LH). Minerals can either increase our decrease our hormones and nutrients and Flouride is one that happens to be good at messing with our hormones. In fact, depending on the amount of fluoride in your area, you could be consuming enough to cause Hypothyroidism. This is the form that has been correlated with Iodine (fluoride decreases this) in some complex way, and also associated with Acne. How many of you are Hypothyroid? How many of you are PCOS?

Hereís the thing though, while fluoride has ben found to have some slight protection against cavities, it makes our teeth and bones weaker in excess. Since itís increased usage bone cancer, hip fractures and arthritis have increased! Not to mention, there are some that feel that fluoride, increases cavities (cause it makes our teeth weaker?) and I donít know what to think for I do all I can to prevent cavities, dental floss, mouthwash, toothpastes (w/fluoride), and a tongue scraper and the cavities still prevailed. Over the years I've eaten far less sugar, etc and for 1 year used a product called Enamalon (polished wonderfully), which was supposed to add calcium back, and STILL got cavities! When I found out I was Insulin Resistant and I changed my diet, I also drastically reduced my candy and fake juice & soda (never), and even 100% fruit juice consumption to near none, andÖ I still got a cavity. So, looking at the number of fillings and problems with my parentsí teeth, this made me wonder if a getting cavities was inheritable. The dentists say your teeth structure can make it more likely to acquire cavities, while others say that you can inherit cavity-causing bacteria.

The sad thing is, that to try and prevent cavities, we could all either reduce our sugar consumption or get sealants (are these bad?). By the time I learned about these, last year, I had to pay the full price ($28 per tooth) for what I got, but even at full price, sealants are better deal than getting a filling. Fillings are not cheap ($40 Ė $100 each), maybe thatís why I was never given the option of getting them, I had to ask.

This also brings me toÖXylitol, the Anti-cavity Sugar-Free Sugar! (LOL)

Out of curiosity, how many of you have heard of this product, and if so what do you think about it?

I first learned about it a week or so ago, under the Natural Sugars thread, from Prometheus, and am soo grateful! Iíve always wondered if those of us with acne, were more likely to have cavities. Or if those that were Diabetic Type I, Type II or Insulin Resistant were also more likely (anyone know?) to have cavities or carry the bacteria. Of course, some say that acne can be defined as Skin Diabetes so reducing all the unnatural sugar you can, especially if youíve found ďsugarĒ to be a culprit for you, would be beneficial!

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Old 03-07-2004, 01:06 PM   #2
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Re: Acne, Fluoride, and XYLITOL!

So naturally when I heard about the brilliance of xylitol I just had to have it:

-Is a Low Calorie (2.4g) and Low Glycemic Index (7) additive
-In studies itís been shown to NOT raise Insulin levels
-Itís s approved for label as a Carbohydrate, but it tastes like sugar (same thing)
-Itís a naturally occurring substance in plants, animals, and humans.
-It decreases sugar cravings
-In studies it has been found to reduce plaque buildup
-In studies itís been shown to prevent up to 80% of cavities
-Follow-up studies have shown that the anti-cavity effects are lasting (w/o Xylitol)
-It has the ability to pass teeth ďimmunityĒ and strength onto babies if taken during pregnancy
-It has teeth remineralization abilities
-In studies it has been shown to increase bone density
-It has anti-upper-respiratory infection abilities
-It has anti-sinus/nasal infection abilities
-It has anti-ear infection abilities
and the list goes onÖ

Oh yeah, but most importantly, it doesnít have an aftertaste! It actually doesnít taste any different than sugar! Thatís a big one for me, for while Stevia is the great all natural sweet herb w/ benefits and is supposed to be 40x Ė 100x sweeter than sugar, it has an aftertaste similar to aspartame. While this may be due to consuming too much (leaves bitter taste), since its super-concentrated, it wellÖ. still tastes bad ;-)

Now Xylitol on the other hand, is equal to sugar, pound by pound, so it can be used in most recipes. The problem is that it canít be used to bake traditional breads. Apparently, just like the cavity-causing bacteria canít metabolize the sugar, neither can the yeast in bread products ;-) So any of us following a Gluten-Free diet should be able to use xylitol in our bread products, because they naturally lack yeast. Those with Candida, are encouraged to follow a really strict type of Low Carb diet, but it also happens to be Gluten Free diet, for Gluten contains the yeast that is problematic! Not to mention, for those following the Acid-Alkaline Diets, xylitol is apparently the only alkaline sugar (bacteria donít like this)! Western Diets are far more acidic than alkaline and those of us that have improved our health problems and skin also happen to be following more alkaline-based diets. So, could this also be another reason our acne improved/cleared by following an anti-candida or gluten-free diet?

So, for those of you that want your sugar but not the carbohydrates or the bad taste and wouldnít mind some anti-cavity and anti-infection abilities Xylitol is very slowly starting to be used in specialty foods in the U.S. In fact in 1963, the FDA approved that it has no known toxic levels. Thus, it has been approved it to be safe in unlimited quantities for ďspecial dietary usesĒ (Diabetics, Insulin Resistant, Low Carbers, etc) =)

Thereís scientific evidence supporting all of the above statements and itís been widely used since the 1960s in over 35 countries such as Finland (founder), Germany, Switzerland, Russian, Italy, China, Japan. Studies have shown that itís so effective, that itís been approved for the use in food, medicines, and oral hygiene products. In fact thatís actually why I wrote this long post to begin with =)

OK, so while Xylitol isnít widely used in the U.S. yet, itís all about supply and demand. So the more of use that use this product, the more they will produce, making it more affordable for us. In the mean time, the cost for is 1.5 Ė 2.5x higher depending on the brand you choose:

Mainstream (toothpastes & mouthwash)

BreathRx (professional & home system)
Tom of Maine

Non-mainstream (toothpaste, mouthwash, dental floss, breath spray, gum, mints, candy/chocolate, cough drops, cough syrup, nasal spray, vitamins, fruit preserves, and ďsugarĒgranules):

B-Fresh
Emerald Forest (packets)
Epic Dental
Natureís Provision / Smart Smile
Smart Sweet
Spry Dental / Xlear
Squiggle
Unique Sweet
Xylichew
Xylifresh (Lakerol Dents)
Xylopure
Xyponent / Clen Dent

Iíve bumped into over 30 flavors of gums & mints, some of which are specialized, including extracts of Green Tea, Echinacea, Gingko, Vitamin C, Calcium, and Pycnogenol. =) I recieved my package yesterday, and I only ordered it 2 or 3 days prior! I ordered the Squiggle Toothpaste (tasted normal), 5 Pack trial of Spry Dental Gum flavors and the Xlear Nasal Spray (for dad). My dad and I both tried the gums and they are great (no aftertaste)! =) To be honest though, this brand is a bit smaller than a regular piece of gum so for the purposes of enjoyment, I would actually chew 2 at time.

I know some of you might be interested in protein bars, I bumped into (gluten-free) Aramana Low Carb that uses Soy & Whey proteins (15g) with Xylitol. Iíve also bumped into some protein shakes that used Xylitol. So slowly, but hopefully surely, it will get out there. Unfortunately, I called around some local vitamin and our health food stores and they either didnít know what I was talking about, they didnít have it, or they wouldnít know they have it even in they did. So it looks like youíll have to order most of these by mailorder/online.

The thing I donít get is why this isnít a bigger seller in the U.S. With sugar being leached into practically every food we eat, Iím surprised that the government isnít jumping up and down about this product. The American Dental Association, which pushes amalgam and fluoride, has also approved of this product (along with other organizations) for the prevention of dental caries, but why isnít it being pushed for our dental health? Itís been shown to be effective against inhibition of certain bacteriae and yeasts that contribute to a variety of health & dental problems. Yet, all Iíve read is that itís approved for special dietary uses, even though itís been shown to do more than just taste like sugar!

It can be used with fluoride and still have comparable anti-cavity abilities as if it were used alone. When used with other sugars (malitol, sorbitol, etc) itís more effective than using those sugars alone, but it is still most effective if used as your 100% sugar source additive. So, if all you are concerned about were sugar, than I would grab this in a heartbeat over (excess) natural sugars that contribute to cavities or artificial sweeteners that give us headaches or other health problems (asparatame). In fact, itís suggested that those of us with acne use xylitol instead of refined sugar and carbohydrates. After all, if it doesnít raise your insulin, it wonít raise those acne-causing hormones (androgen, DHT, IGF-1) either ;-)

Iím not trying to hate on my own country, please donít think that, but it pains me to see all these big shots, continually, and usually deliberately, hurting us all for the money. Iím all for pro-choice, but how can one make an Informed Decision, when they are withholding such beneficial information from the mass publicís knowledge base? Heck, if it happens to be cancerous, everything in this day in age or in excess is supposed to be (ha ha), it still has far more benefits than the use of Mercury and Fluoride, so does anyone know what the deal is? Or could it be that itís really that good for us?

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Old 03-07-2004, 01:32 PM   #3
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Re: Acne, Fluoride, and XYLITOL!

lol please the only people who will say xylitol causes cancer are dentists (actually only dentists). hehe. It has no basis. In clinical studies xylitol reduces stomach cancer. It really is as beneficial as they say it is. It's potential to reduce depression, heart disease, osteoporosis, and gum disease is just too good to pass up. If you eat a lot of it, it could have a laxative effect.

Oh and to answer the question in your first one, yes. People who have diabetes type 2 are more at risk for cavities and gum problems. It is the same for heart disease. Actually people who have more cavities are more at risk for heart disease, and depression. It is what happens when that nasty little bacteria gets into your bloodstream. You can do a live blood test and actually see it! I have it or atleast I did when I got the test done!

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Old 03-07-2004, 10:26 PM   #4
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Re: Acne, Fluoride, and XYLITOL!

Prometheus,
LOL, thanks for answer my questions. I am reading up on Polyols now and discovering that most have a laxative effect. What makes it tricky is that the amount varies for each type of polyol ;-) What I read on xylitol was that it may cause an effect if consumed too quickly during the first 2 weeks of product usage (body needs time to adjust). Since all I have is gum and toothpaste, I shouldn't have to worry much...

Also considering that I'm naturally more at risk and that all polyols produce little - no insulin response and prevent dental caries, I'll need to bring more of these into our house. Although, I've heard that mannitol and sorbitol are the worst at producing a laxative effect (in excess), is there anything else wrong with them? I found studies that showed that Xylitol was better at sorbitol for preventing dental caries, but are you aware of why these aren't pushed as hard as xylitol for oral hygeine?

I have no intentions of loading up on sweet stuff, but it would be good to know what they do put in stuff I may occasionally use. Like I purchased that new Orange flavored mouthwash by Listerine only to find out it contains Sucralose and sorbitol. Now one of those is giving me a slight bitter taste and well, it just tastes a bit too sweet too.

Have you ever used sucralose? It sounds wonderful in the sense that it does some of the same things as xylitol with no laxative effect. My dad uses Aspartame and I'm looking for anything else that would be better and convenient (packets) So far I haven't found anything against it, do you know of anything evil about it?

Oh yeah and I found out that since xylitol is made in Finland under some comlicate process, that's why it's more expensive and why it's not likely to be use widley here in the U.S. However they are working on using Corn as the base to derive xylitol from and then later, possibly use genetic modification, so maybe one day it will be more popular....

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Old 03-07-2004, 11:34 PM   #5
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Re: Acne, Fluoride, and XYLITOL!

Eww, nevermind. Splenda (sucralose) is made from chlorine which has carcinogenic effects when consumed.

 
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Re: Acne, Fluoride, and XYLITOL!

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Eww, nevermind. Splenda (sucralose) is made from chlorine which has carcinogenic effects when consumed.

Cite your source(s), please. Peer-reviewed studies only.

 
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Splenda and sugar...hmm, which is worse? Look at all the bad things sugar does!

As far as Xylitol...I never heard of it until they had a low carb cheescake on QVC made by Juniors NY Cheesecakes. It has Xylitol in it and they take it from corncobs. Never tasted it but how bad can it be...coming from corn cobs?

 
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nah Sweetjade the only artificial sweetener i use/would use is xylitol because it is actually in food. Besides, sucrolose pales in comparison to the health benefits of xylitol.

And yes Aspartame is very bad for you, for your brain and nervous system, atleast. They do not allow pilots to consume it. I saw in the health food store the other day little granulated honey packets and also stevia packets which I would assume would be pretty convenient. I'm sure they have xylitol packets somewhere. You can buy xylitol on the net.

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I found studies that showed that Xylitol was better at sorbitol for preventing dental caries, but are you aware of why these aren't pushed as hard as xylitol for oral hygeine?
Hmm I don't know what is pushed harder and what isn't. I would assume it is because xylitol has a number of other benefits that sorbitol does not...and Xylitol actually kills mouth bacteria. I know sorbitol and other artificial sweeteners can't be used by mouth bacteria, but I know mouth bacteria tries to use xylitol and that is what kills them. I don't know if it is the same for the other ones.


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Cite your source(s), please. Peer-reviewed studies only.
Ejonez, you know, not that Sweetjade isn't going to cite sources, I'm tired of all this peer reviewed b.s. on these boards. Is this because you're curious where she got the information or because you think she has to, or should, cite "peer-reviewed" studies? Do you go around to everyone's post and say this? Is everything that is true or believable peer-reviewed? I've been known to cite a source or two when I know what I'm saying is controversial or I think other people wouldn't believe it or would want to debate it. I can't see the point here, though. We're not all writing collegiate term papers where we have to source everything we say or what we believe. lol who cares? If you're curious if it is true or not why don't you look it up?

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Old 03-08-2004, 06:53 AM   #9
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lol I agree with you Prometheus about the "citing sources on peer reviews" and all of What was the point of that guys post anyhow?

On another note...

SweetJade...you always bring up such interesting topics! lol Both you and Prometheus provide so much information beyond the basics...and really prove your points on each subject! Just wanted to thank you both for all of the knowledge you share on this board! I'm not sure where either of you are going (or are at) with your careers...but it sure would be interesting to see both of you in the field of natural medicine and nutrition. I know that I would pay to visit either of you and recieve nutritional advice

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Old 03-08-2004, 08:38 AM   #10
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Re: Acne, Fluoride, and XYLITOL!

Prometheus & Megan,
Thanks for mentioning the packets. I bumped into one company so far that sells Xylitol packets. I heard that what makes stevia bitter is the powder (that's what I had tried), so I may go back and try the Stevia Glychrryciate instead (supposed to not be bitter). Most definately if we can combine Stevia with Xylitol you've got a ton a great benefits.

Also, I figured out what's wrong with the other polyols. Lactitol decreases pH in the gut allowing it to act as a Prebiotic for good bacteria, so it's acid enhancing. Sorbitol and Mannitol, are also acid enchancing "sugars" and therefore still allow for some cavity formation, due to acid environment. Whereas Xylitol is the only alkaline enhancing "sugar" (as per Chinese Medicine) and doesn't allow for cavity formation (lacks an acidic environment) and starves the bacteria (and allows for the increase of good bacteria). I'm still researching more about these, but in the sense of what's natural to our bodies, Maltitol should be (from Maltose) and Xylitol is (from Xylose) and I'm working on the rest.

Oh and LOL, I can site til I am blue in the face and people still don't care ;-) I've exhausted myself trying to show people that what myself and others say is not B.S. and it's usually completely ignored. I'm definately learning that all you can do is show people the information and try and explain in a way that most people can understand and then move on with your life. Spring Break is coming...yippee (I so need it)!

 
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Splenda and sugar...hmm, which is worse? Look at all the bad things sugar does!

As far as Xylitol...I never heard of it until they had a low carb cheescake on QVC made by Juniors NY Cheesecakes. It has Xylitol in it and they take it from corncobs. Never tasted it but how bad can it be...coming from corn cobs?
Abby & Ejones,
I started on your reponse, but I'm out of time so I'll post it when I get back. =)

 
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I'm not sure where either of you are going (or are at) with your careers...but it sure would be interesting to see both of you in the field of natural medicine and nutrition. I know that I would pay to visit either of you and recieve nutritional advice.
Oh Meagan. I know I couldn't be a nutritionist as a job. I couldn't tolerate people paying for my advice and then not following it. And I couldn't take being blamed all the time when in actuality the people really are not following the advice. In a situation like that where it is your job you have to be cordial to people and eventually you have to lie. Look at all the nutritionists who lie all the time just to get clients. Like "there are no bad foods" b.s. and nutritionists who don't have the gaul to tell people to completely eliminate food groups. Of course, some do, and they don't get clients. lol. I wouldn't want people coming to me and telling me, or demanding that my advice comply with their situational "needs" such as "it has to be cheap/fast/convenient/taste good etc etc". The bitter truth is that most people go to nutritionists to hear lies. It is like how people buy healthy food and it just sits in their cupboards. Buying it, or going to a nutritionist, makes them feel better. It is the superficiality of the occupation that would get to me.

It is like how people become doctors because they genuinely have a calling to help people, and then become bitter after they discover most people just want you to hand them antibiotics or some other pill. And how most lawyers become lawyers for moral reasons and then get sucked into all the b.s.

So I'd rather have a job that has absolutely no impact, to keep from becoming corrupt.

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Old 03-09-2004, 11:23 AM   #13
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"I started out to change the world, now finally, i see, that its more important that i keep the world from changing me."

Prometheus...what a great quote . I do understand your viewpoints. The only reason I would hope that you would be in that field is because many nutritionists do say those things you stated...and do not always know what they are talking about. I visited one nutritionist who thought it was absolutely crazy to not eat any grains...honestly. She also thought that a person did not need as many fruits and vegetables as I eat AND to top it all off....she did not know half of the foods I listed in my daily food intake. So, instead of going to recieve advice, I ended up explaining what each food item was and what nutrients it provided etc. I think she learned alot that day lol. Another example was when I visited a school nutritionist/fitness major who was shocked that I did not consume dairy and could not understand how my calcium levels were perfectly fine. She did not think it was possible to obtain enough calcium while avoiding dairy products or calcium fortified foods on the market. Goes to show how much some of them really understand/know. I do wish at times I could find doctors who know/understand/and can explain the information as well as you and others on these boards. Until then I suppose I'll just keep you and the others busy with my questions .

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Prometheus...what a great quote.
The world is fleeting. We are eternal.

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I do understand your viewpoints. The only reason I would hope that you would be in that field is because many nutritionists do say those things you stated...and do not always know what they are talking about. I visited one nutritionist who thought it was absolutely crazy to not eat any grains...honestly. She also thought that a person did not need as many fruits and vegetables as I eat AND to top it all off....she did not know half of the foods I listed in my daily food intake. So, instead of going to recieve advice, I ended up explaining what each food item was and what nutrients it provided etc. I think she learned alot that day lol. Another example was when I visited a school nutritionist/fitness major who was shocked that I did not consume dairy and could not understand how my calcium levels were perfectly fine. She did not think it was possible to obtain enough calcium while avoiding dairy products or calcium fortified foods on the market. Goes to show how much some of them really understand/know. I do wish at times I could find doctors who know/understand/and can explain the information as well as you and others on these boards. Until then I suppose I'll just keep you and the others busy with my questions .
These people are walking around with their eyes closed. People need to learn for themselves. They need to get out, travel the world, or something. Open their eyes. geez. That's just terrible.

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Sweetjade,

You should also check out the colloidal silver if you haven't. The stuff is amazing.

 
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