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Old 03-20-2004, 05:18 AM   #1
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Why no cure?

Accutane cleared me, so I guess that was my cure, but does anyone know if there is a body as such which is charged with developing a cure for acne? People work round the clock all over the world to create cures for all sorts of illnesses, but nothing has happened to further acne treatment since the 1980
s, why should this be the case? I know there isn't anything here in the UK, is anything ever spoken about on the other side of the pond about the development od a potential cure or anything like that? I refuse to believe that there is no such thing. We can grow human organs on the body of a mouse, send someone to the moon, but we can't develop something to put a complete stop to acne. I know that drug companies are wary of losing business should a cure become available, but it shouldn't be left to independent companies. The state should commission scientists to look into it. Is there any ongoing research into an acne cure?

 
Old 03-20-2004, 05:33 AM   #2
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To answer your question, we don't have a cure bc all the scientists are already busy, working hard on making new viagra type pills. So far that has been the only 100% successful thing they've made.

Yes we can grow organs on a mouse, but not on humans. It's really stupid. Seeing as we haven't even come close to finding a cure for cancer, AIDS, diabetes, heart disease, multiple sclerosis, or even the common cold, I doubt we'll see any "cure" for acne.

The system is purely motivated by money. So you'll definitely see drugs that claim to cure acne, but they absolutely don't and are most times no more than placebo-type lotions made solely to rip you off.

I guess for you, acutane actually worked, but for most of us, these endless lines of acne drugs and products do nothing but waste our money.

Sometimes I think maybe that's why they don't release drugs that actually work. They're draining out our pockets by keeping us filled with awful diseases. I mean, if you get cancer, not only does that mean that you'll likely die, that also means that you'll likely go bankrupt from the hospital costs alone.

But hey, at least now you can have an erection whenever you want, right?

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Old 03-20-2004, 05:39 AM   #3
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Re: Why no cure?

that's cuz the cure already exists but they don't want to find it.

 
Old 03-20-2004, 06:07 AM   #4
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Re: Why no cure?

Great post Paine

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To answer your question, we don't have a cure bc all the scientists are already busy, working hard on making new viagra type pills. So far that has been the only 100% successful thing they've made.
Exactly! The majority of scientist successes relate to products that involve multiple consumptions. If Viagra was a one off pill that enabled men to regain their turgidity then it would never be released. The drug companies would not be able to recoup all their costs/funds that went into the research.

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Yes we can grow organs on a mouse, but not on humans. It's really stupid. Seeing as we haven't even come close to finding a cure for cancer, AIDS, diabetes, heart disease, multiple sclerosis, or even the common cold, I doubt we'll see any "cure" for acne.
Oh and your forgetting the $20 billion that has been given to Nasa to explore Space. Why can we not resolve our health/poverty issues before we go snooping around other planets. I would much rather that money be donated to the African cause and all other world poverty. We could easily find cures for whatever diseases we liked if we allocated the right resources to the research.

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The system is purely motivated by money. So you'll definitely see drugs that claim to cure acne, but they absolutely don't and are most times no more than placebo-type lotions made solely to rip you off.
EXACTLY! Almost everything that is heavily marketed to the consumer seems to be a gimmick, from wrinkle cream (oh please!!!), acne products, slim fast shakes etc.. it is all packaged in such a way as to stimulate the consumer's mind and make them think that the product WILL work. It's psycological marketing hence the placebo-effect as you say.


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I guess for you, acutane actually worked, but for most of us, these endless lines of acne drugs and products do nothing but waste our money.
Well Accutane may have worked from looking at your external appearance but you have no way of telling what it has done to your internal organs. This is the biggest danger. All these medicines/poisons probably do much worse for us in the long term and we will have no way of telling why when the time comes.

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Sometimes I think maybe that's why they don't release drugs that actually work. They're draining out our pockets by keeping us filled with awful diseases. I mean, if you get cancer, not only does that mean that you'll likely die, that also means that you'll likely go bankrupt from the hospital costs alone.
Along with that you are given Chemotherapy which just totally lobotomises you! I cannot believe there aren't many people who stand up against this. All these drug companies have total control over us and we are doing nothing about it.

Remember that the drug industry does not give a damn about the sufferers. They are companies, companies are only worried about profit. The more profit they make the better. The more they can exploit the consumer for this profit the better. Corruption amongst drug companies is rife! A company, in general, really doesn't care what its average employee thinks. If they don't like the employee, they sack them and just replace them with someone else. Simple as that.

MY PLAN IS WHY DON'T WE JUST BOYCOTT ALL ACNE PRODUCTS AND EAT LESS JUNKFOOD. This way the drug companies will be forced to release THE ACTUAL CURE and relieve us of our pain. It is our only way. We have to wake up ourselves and stop letting these companies brainwash us with ridiculous adverts suggesting "This treatment will clean up your acne in 3 days 100% guaranteed". I am fed up!

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But hey, at least now you can have an erection whenever you want, right?
Now that is a relief...thank God for that, LOL!

 
Old 03-20-2004, 10:15 AM   #5
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hey that remark about nasa and space travel is totally wrong!if we do find a cure for acne it might be because of space.in o gravity we can work with drugs much better than on earth.and a lot of products we use today are a direct result of research in the space field.also thats not true about any advances in acne research since 1980 when accutane was being tested out as a cancer drug.we have a lot of lasers and the new thermage that while still being early have had great results with acne.also we have anti-androgens,bc pills out there.im not steril yet and it been 18 months on spiro and i dont have giant boobs even with being on low doses of estrogen.also they are working on an enzyme sorta like the b5 thing that while your skin will still be oily it wont break out your skin because it thins out your sebum.plus there is also the low carb anti-acne food diet plan you can go on.yes a lot of these treatments may have side effects like all drugs.but hey look what i had in the 70s.clearisil that contained sulfer no bp like today and anti-biotics.all they had for scar reduction is dermabrasions.guys there is something out there for all of you if you just look.i had to go to the extremes and take spiro and estrogen but my skin has been great for 18 months.i really dont even think girls should take premerin because of all the ton of possible side effects but spiro alone is pretty safe.i really still think guys under 30 shouldnt take spiro only after even accutane and diet has fail because of several reasons.the main thing is control your skin so it doesnt scar up!!!and dont be ashamed you have acne...its not your fault.its your fault for not doing anything about it though.we really should form more acne support groups.maybe you could start one up at school.if people wanna laugh about it then thats their ignorance.GET MOTIVATED...YOU GUYS CAN DO IT......DONT END UP LIKE ME.IF YOU SEE SOME ON WHO IS ASHAMED OF THEIR ACNE TRY TO TALK TO THEM.READ ALL YOU CAN ABOUT ACNE ON WEB SITES.....READ SWEET JADES POSTS BECAUSE THAT GIRL IS RIGHT ON TOP OF ABOUT EVERYTHING.nobody should have to go through the best years of their lifes hiding from the world like i did.take care!

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Old 03-20-2004, 03:03 PM   #6
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Re: Why no cure?

Beautifully put Joeh

 
Old 03-20-2004, 03:56 PM   #7
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If only it was that simple Joeh, I wish it was.

I made my statement as a result of doing infinite amounts of research on the damn subject. Moreover, I have stopped putting my faith in any forms of treatments such as antibiotics or hormonal repressors. I have realised that the majority of derms just give you a 'quick fix' type treatment so that they can get you out of their faces. You have no way of predicting how you will end up 10 years down the line with your Spiro treatment. In my opinion, it is way to risky to even consider trying. You may have felt fine these last 18 months but there is no way of determining how your body will act many years down the line. The only way I can see myself resolving my acne is via natural methods. I think this is the safest possible route.

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Old 03-20-2004, 04:09 PM   #8
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Neca, i agree (about your 2nd post).

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Old 03-20-2004, 04:26 PM   #9
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neca......any food i put in my mouth today has a risk.....who knows what was sprayed on those fruits and veggies.our whole world has pollutiants in the air all the time.we risk being hit by a comet,asteroid ect from space.yes any med out there has its risks.even over the counter drugs has its risks.even low carb diets have there risks,but if you dont try anything then you shouldnt complain about there being anything out there that helps your acne.i dont expect anyone on this board to take what im taking but for me this was the last resort even after accutane.im eating better and im trying to get out of this social phobia that 27 years of suffering with acne has caused me.you could go on anti-androgens or bc and start a low carb diet program then slowing withdraw from your anti-androgens if you feel you can stick to low carbs.if they do find a cure do you think it will be natural?probably not.medicine has helped a great deal of people but its not without risks and side effects.i knew accutane had side effects galore when it first came out in 1981 or 1982...i cant remember its been so long.....but i still took it.it didnt help me but it has helped a lot of people.even if i die tommorow at least i had 18 months without suffering from cysts and least i lived somewhat.YOU CAN CLEAR YOUR SKIN TODAY...natural or with meds but this problem is winnable.

 
Old 03-20-2004, 05:06 PM   #10
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by the way one of the top executives at microsoft.....the ones who invented the technology we are using on our pcs just donated 15 million to space research.and what if your mom or dad had cancer.......would you just let them die.....or go get healed by a faith healer?my sister is alive today because of chemo and radiation treatments.i do agree with you we are eating too much junk in society today.mtv has junk commerical after another all day long 24/7.people like their junk food or we wouldnt have countless fast food restaurants,ect ect.gotta go take care!

 
Old 03-20-2004, 05:24 PM   #11
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The government already has cures for every single type of illness out there but they will never let that out because they make an absolute fortune prescribing these drugs to cancer patients, diabetics..etc along with accutane for acne sufferers, billions and billions a year, that's how they make their big bucks. If we want to find the cure WE have to make it happen ourselves. Drugs like antibiotics is the last thing we should look at!

And Neca, I agree with you 100%, natural methods is definately the way to go.

 
Old 03-20-2004, 05:44 PM   #12
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There's no universal cure to acne because it is so difficult to study. Without sufficient study medicine is restricted to mere hypothesis. Nobody had to hypothesise that smoking caused lung cancer. They merely cut someone up and assessed the state of their lungs. Now there's the biggy. Even if a an acne-suffering teenager were morbid enough to carry a donor card and died, then how do medical researchers go about assessing the cause(s) of their acne? We consider acne to be a condition of the skin. Sure, it manifests itself at skin level, but there's obviously more to it than that.

So where does one begin? It's not like the lungs and the smoking. It was fairly obvious that the smoke was going somewhere. But with acne it's not that cut and dry. We hear about sebaceous glands. But just observing these tiny things through a microscope is hopeless. Somebody already mentioned the ongoing search for a cure for cancer. It's all good and well observing a malignant organ and knowing that a bunch of cells have mutated and become cancerous. But how do you reverse it and prevent spreading? I believe the treatment of acne has many parallels with the treatment of cancer in this respect: we can see what's wrong at a cellular level but we can only treat the symptoms, not administer a cure.

I find it very hard to believe that some people believe we are being denied a cure in a bid by the pharmaceutical industry to make money. I won't bother to point out why (because it's so obvious) but it would fly in the face of all common sense to hide a cure for acne or stop searching for one. So quit moaning people and realise that there are people dedicated to discovering a cure for our collective plight, and to them it's just as important as conquering space or getting us addicted to junk food. It's just a lot, lot tougher.
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Old 03-20-2004, 05:49 PM   #13
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Man, I just got done posting my fairly reserved reply and read your's Eve. What's this "the government" horse cr@p? Just listen to yourself for a second. You're telling me you seriously believe world powers know how to cure "every single type of illness" but is just holding on to that information for a bit of money. Have they been re-running The X-Files round your way recently I do agree with you about antibiotics, though, I have to say. They don't do any good in the long-run in the case of acne.
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Old 03-22-2004, 10:44 AM   #14
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if its so easy to find a cure eve why dont you start researching.actually people are staying alive longer than ever because of medicine.its really up to you if you dont want meds then dont take them and eat the natural way.im personally taking meds plus eating a better diet

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Old 03-22-2004, 11:25 AM   #15
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I think scientists aren't busy making new cures for acne because they do not consider it to be a serious problem. Of course, we as acne sufferers know better. However, it would be stupid to compare the problem of acne to AIDS, Cancer, heart conditions etc, because frankly, life-threatening diseases take prescedence. I hate to say this, but acne does not pose any threat to our phsycal health, just our appearance (and mental health). Scientists aren't busy with the common cold because you don't die from it. You get sick, take some medications, and get over it. Although it would be AWESOME if someone found a quick fix to acne, it's not that easy. Acne isn't caused by one thing, so one thing can't cure it. You need to experiment with what works for you... There are a million different options, so just stick with it. Try EVERYTHING. If you're desperate enough, try dieting... It's tough but rewarding.

I've had great luck with pharmaceuticals, and I believe there are some AWESOME products out there. Although they are massively priced, I would pay twice as much as what I pay now for Tazorac. I don't believe that pharmaceutical companies are conspiring against us. We live in a capitolistic economy, and wherever there is an option for people to make money, they take advantage of it. Here's the problem... if it wasn't for pharmaceutical companies, where would we be? They are not HARMING us unless we let them... unless we buy their products and use them without knowing what they are doing to us. Above all else, it is OUR responsibility to monitor and control what goes into our bodies, nobody elses. If you don't like pharmaceuticals, don't buy them. If you don't want chemo to battle cancer, don't. Nobody will make you. If you want a better acne solution, why depend on someone else to make it happen? Pharmaceutical companies have no obligation to do ANYTHING for us, and we shouldn't expect them to.

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