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Old 04-07-2011, 04:54 AM   #1
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Question 9 year old with ADD type 1- inattentive type- Meds?

My son, after exhausting every test imagineable, has been diagnosed with ADD type 1- the inattentive type. Because of his relatively severe problems with writing in school, the neurologist is suggesting medication. I have no problem with trying something, as I went thru the proper steps to ensure this wasn't just a "quick fix" diagnosis. I just want to help him succeed.

Are there any parents out there who could give me their input on medication types? My son also has a small anxiety disorder, and I'd rather not try 2 medications. But if there is an ADD medication that helps anxiety as well, I'd love to hear about it. We are hoping thru counseling that he can overcome that.

Any other words of advice are appreciated as well. Thank you!

 
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Re: 9 year old with ADD type 1- inattentive type- Meds?

It's possible that his anxiety could be a result of his ADD symptoms, and will go away with proper ADD treatment. Children with untreated ADD feel pressure to perform like everyone else, and hopelessness when they keep trying, but never quite feel like they are getting it.... if that makes sense? It's not that a child with ADD can't succeed, it's just a little bit harder, and might take a little bit longer.... and if nobody knows the child has ADD, then there tends to be a lot less understanding from others. Anyway, all that can add up to one really anxious child! So it would make sense that treating the ADD could possibly treat the anxiety, too.

I don't know anything about medications for children with ADD, but I do have some ideas for home treatment.... my daughter is 7 and I believe she has inattentive type ADD. I haven't had her diagnosed yet, but I have inattentive type ADD and she is exactly like me (poor kid!). But I'm holding off on an official diagnosis and am treating her at home for as long as I can.

Home treatment includes a more natural diet with lots of fruits and veggies, whole grains and no artificial colors or high fructose corn syrup; 30 minutes of simple exercise three times a week (like playing outside or a nice walk); 10-11 hours of sleep each night, and a supplement called Attentive Child.

The diet, exercise and sleep changes brought about a dramatic difference in my daughter's attitude and mood. She quit having meltdowns about every little thing, and she just became a more pleasant child to be around. The supplement is something we just started this school year. She was missing 6-7 problems on each of her worksheets, and her teacher said she was so easily distracted during work time, and that she had a problem listening and following directions. So I started looking around and found this Attentive Child supplement at a whole foods store. It has worked wonders for her school work. She now only occasionally misses any problems on her worksheets and is staying focused on her work so much better (and we saw an improvement within a week or so of starting the supplement).

I know of other kids with ADD that are taking other supplements that work for them, too. Attentive Child is just the one that we use. Check out your local whole or natural foods stores and see what you find. You might find that you can treat your son without having to go the "medication" route.

*for the record, I'm not opposed to medication.... sometimes it's the only thing that works.... but if symptoms can be treated without medication, I believe that is ultimately safer and healthier for our children, so I always encourage medication as a last resort.

 
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Old 04-07-2011, 11:24 AM   #3
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Re: 9 year old with ADD type 1- inattentive type- Meds?

Thank you for your response! My son gets plenty of exercise, and eats a healthy diet. He has a problem sleeping, I might see about a natural supplement because that's a big issue right now. I agree with you 100% about the ADD causing the anxiety. I was hoping to narrow it down with counseling... just want to help him. His meltdowns are few and far between anymore, he's done a great job of controlling his emotions compared to last year. But his schoolwork when it comes to reading/writing is subpar and 4th grade will be a nightmare if we don't get this under control.

Thanks again!

 
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Re: 9 year old with ADD type 1- inattentive type- Meds?

If you haven't already, consider getting some psych-ed testing to understand the writing problems better. Ie:

Poor writing due to rushing through, not checking work (ADHD symptoms)
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Poor writing due to a specific learning disability (which can be un-covered with psych-ed).

It is not uncommon for different disabilities to go hand in hand with ADHD, or sometimes even be the cause of ADHD-like symptoms. Even if you don't find something with this, you will likely understand more about what is going on, always, always a good thing.

 
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If you haven't already, consider getting some psych-ed testing to understand the writing problems better. Ie:

Poor writing due to rushing through, not checking work (ADHD symptoms)
vs:
Poor writing due to a specific learning disability (which can be un-covered with psych-ed).

It is not uncommon for different disabilities to go hand in hand with ADHD, or sometimes even be the cause of ADHD-like symptoms. Even if you don't find something with this, you will likely understand more about what is going on, always, always a good thing.
Yes! We DID uncover his diagnosis, which is called "Cluttering" and ADHD IS a symptom. I unrelentlessly pursued other testing to find the root cause; now, hopefully, with the Vyvanse and proper education techniques that help his uniqueness, he'll soar. The school had a problem even putting him into special education because his test scores are so high LOL He's a smart kid; just needed to figure out a way to help!

 
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Re: 9 year old with ADD type 1- inattentive type- Meds?

My 21 year old went through this whole 'uneven development' thing right through school. Different teachers and specialists told us different things. At the end of the day sleeping was huge. I moved him around to different beds in different rooms until I found a place where he could sleep well reliably. That then became his bedroom - way easier to cope with an odd bedroom than a kid who feels he's unacceptable as the person he is.

I've since worked with a child diagnosed with ADHD who was sleeping right next to the power entry to his home. When we moved the bed to a wall further from the power entry he slept better and was significantly less distracted, and more functional, on the days when he wasn't medicated.

 
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Re: 9 year old with ADD type 1- inattentive type- Meds?

Verucalise,

marisuela wrote: "It's possible that his anxiety could be a result of his ADD symptoms, and will go away with proper ADD treatment."

In my layman's opinion, Vyvanse will lessen your son's anxiety if not eliminate it entirely. Vyvanse should help your son sleep better too, if sleep is problem.

I visited my psychiatrist today. I have had an excellent relationship with him for a few years now. Each visit I ask him about some of the neurological topics I've been studying to get his thinking on the matter.

Today's topic was "Is ADHD primarily a thought processing disorder?" My doctor replied, "Yes," and added "all cognitive functions can be affected."

I said, "I experience mental gridlock (read "thought paralyses") from being unable to process too many thoughts "cluttering" my working memory. Then added, "I feel that my problems with depression and anxiety are my reactions to ADHD."

Doctor disagreed. He explained my anxiety and depression symptoms responded to antidepressants that I no longer need and are currently being controlled nicely by Adderall.

Do not fear a second med if your doctor feels it necessary. Medications are NOT a life sentence because the disorder is being medically managed at your son's young age. The medications will enable your son to rewire the problem areas in the brain's signal neurotransmission paths.

Let's take a look-see at some of "caffman's" sage advice.

You responded, "Yes! We DID uncover his diagnosis, which is called "Cluttering" and ADHD IS a symptom. I unrelentlessly pursued other testing to find the root cause; now, hopefully, with the Vyvanse and proper education techniques that help his uniqueness, he'll soar. The school had a problem even putting him into special education because his test scores are so high LOL He's a smart"

Vyvanse should stimulate dopamine/norepinephrine transmission up to normal levels. Now your son can be taught how to compose a written document - ADHD style / psycho-ed

This works for me: I do what I call a memory dump. First, though, I got to load stuff in memory to dump. I carefully read the all replies you got so far. BTW, everyone has good stuff to offer. I don't want repeat what you got, I want to add, if possible.

My brain: marisuela, caffman, Angela21Niner (I was pilot ) visit with shrink, stuff we talked about today, stuff I know from reading you, stuff coming out of my ears, I just dump it uncritically, unorganized, unsequenced in notepad. Then pick and choose. Hmn, let's see - this entire section get's deleted - not relevant, build on the good points posted.

I'll be danged. I think it readable, I'll post it, do final edit it, submit.

Verucalise,

You are absolutely the best teacher I've every encountered. I'm talking about how you use leading questions to help your son learn to think.

I'm going to put a play.

Verucalise played by Bob.
Verucalise's son played by Bob.


Verucalise, "boy, what do you want to write about?"

Boy, "Airplanes."

Verucalise, "what about airplanes?"

Boy, "how they fly"

Verucalise, "how do they fly?"

Boy, "a very smart Italian boy named "Bernoulli" (Bob is 1/2 I-talian) figured out if air is moving faster over the top of a wing than underneath, the wing goes up."

Verucalise, "how do they get air to move faster over the top?"

Boy, "Mom, get real. The shortest path anywhere is a straight line. The bottom of the wing is a straight line, the top is big huge curve - the long way around. Air molecules gotta more faster over the top to meet up with their little buddies that took the bottom short cut."

Verucalise, "Boy, let's get what you just said on paper?" You'll be the "Ace" of flying reports."

Boy, "I'm so smart. I can't wait for school tomorrow."

Verucalise, "Boy, you are smart. Hmn, ain't anxious no more either."

I know you Verucalise. I know you get it. You be your boy's ADHD coach. He'll rule. Kick some serious butt. That's guy talk for "confident." Smack him when he get's cocky.

Bob

 
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Re: 9 year old with ADD type 1- inattentive type- Meds?

Thanks, Bob! Yesterday was the first day of school for my son, fingers crossed he does well! He's on Concerta now, as Vyvanse had some unwanted psychological side effects. Boooo. We are looking to up his dose soon, as we really haven't seen much improvement in his behavior except he seems more patient, less anxious which of course, is a wonderful thing. He's been on the lowest dose available, with no side effects for the last 6 weeks... I think it's about time to up it!

I can't wait to see how this year goes for him I have so many high hopes!

 
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I've been lurking a bit, but I just wanted to say best wishes for a successful school year! I think you're bound to see wonderful improvements.

 
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Hey My 2 younger sons had it they are older now and what was available then was ritalyn tthen adderall. But I had a lot of issues with the medications. What i did find out that worked real well was a vitamin product by Advocare - called "Spark" back then they only had 1 type I think now they make a smaller version for children. My middle son was maxed out on his medication for his weight and everything and still was having problems-for him just one Spark drink mix in the morning before school I was able to reduce his medication to 1/2 my youngest wasn't near as bad so when I gave him the Spark I could send him to school most days without medication and the faculty didn't notice. I noticed with mine the anxiety came from the aggravation they were dealing with of feeling inadequate, they're not inadequate they just have such a difficult time concentrating that they tend to fell inferior to the other students and people around them.
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Thanks, Bob! Yesterday was the first day of school for my son, fingers crossed he does well! He's on Concerta now, as Vyvanse had some unwanted psychological side effects. Boooo. We are looking to up his dose soon, as we really haven't seen much improvement in his behavior except he seems more patient, less anxious which of course, is a wonderful thing. He's been on the lowest dose available, with no side effects for the last 6 weeks... I think it's about time to up it!

I can't wait to see how this year goes for him I have so many high hopes!
Verucalise,

I hope the best for you and your son.

I am in the midst of a nightmare that has nothing to do with ADHD. NEPA is flooded - the worst ever. My wife and I live on high ground. We are not directly affected. But our hometown is devastated. It is so sad. Hometown was a beautiful place. Everything is wreaked. I called EMR and offered my heavy duty trucks and trailers to get people's belongings to high ground. EMR told me, it is too late. I'm going out Saturday AM to help clean up and pickup the ruins.

Bob

 
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