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Old 03-23-2007, 05:34 PM   #1
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Can two hydrocodones a day be addictive?

Several years ago, I had a really bad car accident and have had a lot of back problems. Ever since then, I wake up in the morning in a lot of pain. I take one 7.5 as soon as I wake up and usually one in the afternoon just for the energy (which is probaly where my problem really lies). I have taken only two a day for over 3 years now except when I was pregnant. When I was pregnant I never had the urge for one because I would never harm my baby. Anyway, after the c-section, they put me on hydro for a couple of weeks and now I've been taking two a day again. I honestly haven't raised the amount I've taken in all these years, which I know some won't believe.
Do you think this sounds like a real addiction or it's probaly just a mental one?

 
Old 03-23-2007, 05:52 PM   #2
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Re: Can two hydrocodones a day be addictive?

Hello Volunteers.

In my opinion it is definately a mental and physical addiction. One thing you wrote that rings clear as a bell is the fact that you take one AS SOON AS YOU GET UP. You cant start your day without it. Many of us do the exact same thing, we take it as soon as we get up. I use to start my day with 12 7.5 mg of vicoden disolved in water then swallowed in one gulp and then about 10 to 15 more over the next 8 hours. Its time to take the first step in stopping. You will suffer some w/d but you can taper off to eliminate any really bad symptoms.

When you stop and start to suffer post here so we can help you through it.

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Old 03-23-2007, 06:00 PM   #3
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Re: Can two hydrocodones a day be addictive?

vols,

The everyday use is the key to becoming addicted to Vicotin, Lortab, and Hydrocodone APAP et al. Hydrocodone allows many people to be functional in their jobs and daily life where as stronger opiates make one listless and sleepy.

 
Old 03-23-2007, 07:17 PM   #4
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Re: Can two hydrocodones a day be addictive?

Yes, most definitely. Now, here's the good news...I didn't hear in your "tone" that you exhibit the obsessive part that goes along with this addiction. You are disciplined in the manner in which you take them, but you could still very well be addicted...though you may not be. Either way, you'll know when you stop taking them. If you can do so with no mental issues (I doubt you'll have physical wds that are notable), then you probably weren't "addicted". A lot of people confuse addiction and dependancy and "I just like it". My father, who is an alcoholic, thinks he is not because he only allows himself to drink 3 times a week and only after 5 pm. I'm not kidding you. Is he addicted? Of course! My story is also with vics, I didn't take a lot (like you, I only took 1-3 a day), but I WAS (and always will be) addicted...I obsessed over the darn things...I counted my prescription over and over and over and over...take one, then, counted again and again and again...get the picture? It was UGLY. I think back to that behavior and it makes me cringe...ugh. I never, ever want to be "there" again.

I know I haven't answered your question, but I think it's one only you can answer. Stop taking them and see how you do. But, there are a lot of people that have to take meds long term and while they become physically dependent on them, it doesn't mean they are addicted to them...two very different things...take a hard look in the mirror and analyze your behavior re: the vics...

Just my thoughts...

 
Old 03-23-2007, 07:36 PM   #5
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Re: Can two hydrocodones a day be addictive?

Volunteers.

Make no mistake, You are addicted - you display signs of addiction and the very fact thet you are posting on here shows your concern due to lack of control with this drug. You will have w/d symptoms when and if you stop. Do not let anyone sugarcoat this problem with long meaningless responses to your post. Lets get right down to the point. You are well on your way to a monumental and very dangerous and expesive problem. Please take the advice of someone who is suffering from w.d. after 9 days of discontuance as we speak. My problem was huge, 30 vikes a day 7 days a week at a cost of 6 dollars a pill. This went on for 7 months. Do the math and figure out what it cost me, Not to mention subsequent health issues and these g-d damn w.d.

Stop now, taper off before its too late

 
Old 03-23-2007, 08:11 PM   #6
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I use to take 4 a day along with Flexril for my migraines that came about after going through the winshield of a car a passenger in a car . Took years of going to doctors and chiropractors but nothing helped they just gave me more pills.

You said that you take it asap upon awakening in my experience that is cause it's a habit. Not exactly addictive though. You are worried that the pain "MAY" come on and take them so it won't. In my case I took them even though they stopped working. I was willing to try anything. The only thing it it was hinder me and cost me money.

Why you were pregnant how was your pain?

I had been in 3 more car accident after that one. After 10 years of cocktailing in casinos my hip was out of place and my migraines became worse. To the point of 2-3 days a week and bed ridden for a couple days out of each month.

When no pill I took worked and was tired of throwing money away to doctor after doctor I vowed to fix myself. I did yoga and pilates which was very painfull at first cause my body was so stiff. In about amonth it got easier and year after I have no need for pills. Though I take a Bayer asprin here and there if I work out to hard at the gym.

I did the Master Cleanser for 10 days to cleanse my body of all the chemiclals I had been putting in it for over 8 years. I felt crappy for the rist 3 days but then got better.

Till this day I am not 100% cured but have no need for doctors and pills. If I don't stretch for at least 30 min in the mornings I get a mild headache and back ache.

Sorry to ramble I was just trying to give you a few suggestions that may help you.


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Old 03-24-2007, 06:04 AM   #7
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Re: Can two hydrocodones a day be addictive?

I respectfully have to disagree with some of the posters here. volunteers, you may not be full blown addicted per say, just mostly dependent. most addicts will have increased the dose by now. youre taking them as persccribed for pain, right? if thats the case what you should worry about is that afternoon one "just for the energy." although the morning one would be wearing off by then, so thats probably why you need it and thats ok. but that "boost" is what reels in most addicts, they want the "boost" more and more.

you are definately doing the right thing by posting here. you could be on the verge of becoming addicted or otherwise abusing the meds. if youre under a docs care and getting the vics from him, tell him about your fears of addiction. theres a BIG difference between addiction and dependence. dependence is OK (as in diabetics are dependent on insulin) but addiction is something that can ruin your life.
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Old 03-24-2007, 10:25 AM   #8
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Re: Can two hydrocodones a day be addictive?

Zero--I agree totally with your comments---well said. As Tom posted, he thought I "sugar coated" with a long winded response...well, I probably did ramble on a bit, but there IS a HUGE distinction between being an "addict" and dependent. From her post, she didn't seem to describe, even remotely, the behaviors I experienced with my addiction to vics. It seemed to me, she was taking her meds (legitimately RXd and as prescribed) and didn't seem to be obsessing, counting, etc...that I did. So, I felt perhaps, she is one that legit needs pain meds long term.

Thanks for echoing the differences between addiction and dependency...sometimes people forget that not everyone is an addict that takes pain meds. I'm unfortunately one that is an addict, so cannot take them.

 
Old 03-24-2007, 11:47 AM   #9
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Re: Can two hydrocodones a day be addictive?

Augirl,

When i wrote about sugarcoating I was not referring to you specifically at all. I was merely refering to any and all who tell this woman that after three years of use and the need to take them as soon she gets up that there is not in the least bit an addiction problem. If you really had a bad addiction problem to this type of drug than you know she could easily convert to severe use. I dont care how long she is using them as directed the fact is she is on them every day and self admitingly takes 1 as soon as she gets up and then 1 merely for energy. No were in the post does she mention any extreme pain as the need for the pills. When 2 is not enough it will be 3 than 4 than 6 and so on. You think people post here not knowing full and well that they have a problem that could escalate. People post here because there scared and feel they have lost control and that means ADDICTION.

Also long term use of 3 years even in her dose will cause physicall addiction and result in w.d. upon discontinued use.

 
Old 03-24-2007, 11:57 AM   #10
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Which is why I posted my events with the pills. If she has treid to fix her problem with pills only then the pain will never get better. Pills are not a cure they can do more damage than good. Some physical therapy I would think would do you good.

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Old 03-24-2007, 06:43 PM   #11
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I was merely refering to any and all who tell this woman that after three years of use and the need to take them as soon she gets up that there is not in the least bit an addiction problem. [...snip...] the fact is she is on them every day and self admitingly takes 1 as soon as she gets up and then 1 merely for energy.
I agree she may be on the brink of addiction (as opposed to dependence).. BUT - and this is from both my doc and pharmacist - pain meds work best when taken exactly as prescribed and before the extreme pain sets in. in other words, she is taking them the way she should be. if you know you will be in pain later, you are supposed to take the pill 1st. yes she is at risk of crossing over to the addiction side but at this point she is only doing what she should be doing.

one way to see if she is using them just for the boost is to skip the afternoon pill. if she winds up in pain then she should continue the afternoon pill. if she has no pain without the pill in the afternoon but feels lousy then she may have a problem. but if she needs it to control afternoon pain, she is not an addict, she is just dependent on it to control the pain.. which is the whole point of pain pills.

and yes WDs from dependence are pretty much the same as WDs from addiction, but with her docs help she should suffer far far less (the doc will taper her) than an addict going CT.
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Old 03-24-2007, 07:01 PM   #12
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I agree she may be on the brink of addiction (as opposed to dependence).. BUT - and this is from both my doc and pharmacist - pain meds work best when taken exactly as prescribed and before the extreme pain sets in. in other words, she is taking them the way she should be. yes she is at risk of crossing over to the addiction side but at this point she is only doing what she should be doing.

yes WDs from dependence are pretty much the same as WDs from addiction, but with her docs help she should suffer far far less (the doc will taper her) than an addict going CT.

Zeroman.

Very well thought out and well said. However, I dont believe pain is the main issue. I dont think she takes them with any conscious thought at all. I bet its all very routine. Something like this...... get up 7 am take a pill 3pm feel a little low energy take a pill. Pain or no pain the pills will be consumed. Most of peoples problems with script opiates revolve around very routine use. Day in day out use with no deviation from the routine. I would also bet that if she was cured of the pain by some divine miracle pain meds would absolutely still be used.

The real question is where does this story go. Where will she be in another 3 years. My guess that simply by the nature of the beast the dosage will be raised. 2 a day wont help and she will take more, may take 10 years but eventually she will be the proud owner of a serious addiction. No way to fool with this drug and come out unscaved in some way.

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Old 03-24-2007, 08:43 PM   #13
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Vics are indeed dangerous. The addiction most definitely "snuck up" on me and I, too, was taking very low doses, "as prescribed", but I became addicted quickly. And, I mean, addicted...it was all about the control they had over me...forget the pain that made me start taking them...that drug controlled my life...even on only 1-3 a day. So, Tom's thoughts are most definitely right on. I just don't know where that line is...as an addict, I can't understand how someone else can take them without all the demons that accompanied them for me, but I know many do and must for legit pain needs. Having said that, I think it's important for Volunteers to distinguish whether she is addicted or just dependant. There is a difference. If she fears addiction, that in itself is revealing. She should definitely talk to her doctor and ask herself some tough questions.

 
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Several years ago, I had a really bad car accident and have had a lot of back problems. Ever since then, I wake up in the morning in a lot of pain. I take one 7.5 as soon as I wake up and usually one in the afternoon just for the energy (which is probaly where my problem really lies). I have taken only two a day for over 3 years now except when I was pregnant. When I was pregnant I never had the urge for one because I would never harm my baby. Anyway, after the c-section, they put me on hydro for a couple of weeks and now I've been taking two a day again. I honestly haven't raised the amount I've taken in all these years, which I know some won't believe.
Do you think this sounds like a real addiction or it's probaly just a mental one?
well i was on opiates for 4 years and i started on vicodin first and when i withdrew two vicodin a day would stop me from withdrawing. i don't know if you are addicted but i am sure that you do have physical and mental dependeny. like as soon as u take one even though it hasn't kicked in yet do u feel better? if u do then that id mental dependency. now if you try not taking them for a day and you feel drowsy tired irritable watery eyes yamning and cramps then i would say that you are physically dependent. any amount of opiate for any amount of time will make you addicted. or dependent.

 
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Vics are indeed dangerous. The addiction most definitely "snuck up" on me and I, too, was taking very low doses, "as prescribed", but I became addicted quickly. And, I mean, addicted...it was all about the control they had over me...forget the pain that made me start taking them...that drug controlled my life...even on only 1-3 a day. So, Tom's thoughts are most definitely right on. I just don't know where that line is...as an addict, I can't understand how someone else can take them without all the demons that accompanied them for me, but I know many do and must for legit pain needs. Having said that, I think it's important for Volunteers to distinguish whether she is addicted or just dependant. There is a difference. If she fears addiction, that in itself is revealing. She should definitely talk to her doctor and ask herself some tough questions.
Hi augirl.

Thanks for agreeing with me in one way or another.

Consider this as the line you speak of. If someone has to post here and ask questions about there usage then theres a problem. I believe " where theres smoke theres fire". Nobody that feels in control of there daily situation will have to post here. Its when it gets out of control or when guilty feelings of use arise that people start to reach out and thats just human nature. Volunteers uses them for more than pain she's worried and she needs us to say oh, o.k. its fine because its only 2 a day. Wouldnt it be easy for us to dismiss this as safe and normal use sure it would, but it would be a lie.

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