I wanted to share what my nap was like today. I'm always so tired by the afternoon that i have to nap......hate that! And I layed down today so tired and ready for rest, then I began to have these seizure like things while i slept.
It was like I was 1/2 awake and 1/2 asleep....I knew what I was feeling and could sense something was wrong, but couldn't wake up from it.
I've had these things happen before, long time ago....not sure if i was on opiates then or not though.
Anyways, as i was sleeping, i began to have these brain zaps (which i've had before once when coming off an anti-depressent) where my brain would flutter or something and i'd squeeze my eyes tight from it. It kept happening, and i kept squeezing my eyes tight shut. Then i started to have these BOOMS in both my ears...going from right to left to right to left. Sounded like a low drum but it would switch ears back and forth.
Then....I swear this, my leg lifted out of the blue and stayed off the bed for a few seconds. It was horrible!
It felt like a seizure or something!
Like i said, i know i've had these things happen before, and for some reason they ONLY happen when napping. I'm a world class napper!
Do u think it's from withdrawaling from the sub? It scared the heck out of me, yet i was in such a weird state of sleep that i couldn't wake myself up from it.
I just think it's weird that it only happens when napping....not during a night sleep.
What the heck is it? I'm a little freaked here!
i really think it is from mixing the hydro with the sub,but im not for sure at all.when i mixed it over a period of time some crazy things happened to me.also i know what you mean by the half asleep/half awake thing.it happens to me quite a bit,and thats from the sub or brain damage from all the drugs over the yrs,who knows.
also when you go to the casino and have some time to kill go down and get in the sauna or steam room and sweat as much as you can.have fun-spark
I had those night terror, brain zap things happen during and after detox. Sometimes, I think that they were worse than the shakes and sweats. It's like being somewhere between awake, asleep, and paralysed. After the brain zap thing finished it's course, I was jolted into consciousness by flying out of the bed or chair where I nap. My body was so stressed that it almost certainly meant a migraine was on the way.
It must be a symptom of the mind healing starved nuerotransmitters.
You will be ok. Our bodies are trying to adjust. The chemicals are trying to get out of your system = physical withdrawal, and the chemicals are trying to figure themselves out in the brain = psychological withdrawal. I have had some weird stuff happen to me over the last few days also. The other night I thought I was awake, but i wasnt and I was totally convinced that beer was emmiting from my pores! I could smell it. very weird. Woke up in full sweat - and back to reality. This is what we have to go through to get this crap out of our system.
Oh Maggie !!
thats sounds truly horrible !!! im so sorry you are going through this.... i can only believe what everyone else is saying... thats its part of this w/d and your body reacting to the chemicals in/coming out of your body... this too shall pass.. have faith.
i remember when i was detoxing off of heroin i would actually sleepwalk and have horrible hallucinations. i would belive people were in my closet or coming after me while i was sleepwalking... one time i even ran into a closed door and banged up my face pretty good. and then i didnt even remember where i got all the bruises/gashes from !!! but my husband had witnessed that whole ordeal and told me what i had been doing the night before.... it was surreal!
but it happened more than once and i would sometimes wake up in the middle of it and remember that i was trying to escape something... scary stuff.
our bodies/brains can really **ck with us sometimes, huh?
but i hope that you at least get a good nights sleep tonight and look forward to getting away...
Thanks all for the replies:
It makes sense that it's just my body trying to heal itself. While i was sleeping though i remember thinking that i could possibly die while this was happening. I thought "damnit,, after all i've been thru to get to here, would be my luck that i'd die right now" ........thank heavens i woke up!
I think it is so weird though that this only happens when i nap.....not when i'm sleeping at night. Weird stuff, but that's how badly these drugs affect us.
I will be completely OUT of the Lorcets on Thursday, and i'm hoping to wait as long as possible before i need to take a dose of sub. Cuz i know that's really bad for me to be taking BOTH. But when i have had sub., it's only every 2-3 days.....so atelast i'm not taking it regularly.
But i hope i can last long enough between my last dose of Lorcet and taking a dose of sub....so it doesn't react where it won't work at all ya know?
But i also don't want to be a walking zombie when flying to Biloxi and our first night there. Thankfully, my Mom is all about us "just chillin' while we're there.
SPARKS: I've been planning on going into the steam room and sauna. It'll be good to sweat some toxins out. I never break out (skin) and my forehead is full of little bumps (not pimples) but little tiny bumps, and i'm sure it's the toxins in my system causing it. So i'm looking forward to cleansing myself a bit.
MICHELLE: Wish u could come with us! We'd have a ball!
I was thinking of u earlier and never got to ask how your competition went? How did u do? And how are YOU feeling? Still at the 4mg dose? Dont' rush it........As i mentioned in another post, I spoke w/ a guy from a detox center today and he warned me about coming off Sub. He said it is VERY hard and about the same as methadone (don't know if i agree with that), and that he's had grown, burley men crying. He said the MENTAL part is the hardest.....so that concerns me a bit since i'm not a mentally stable (depression) person on a normal day. I'm going out of my mind trying detox centers....most of them insist on payment (my 30%) upfront. Which usually totals around $2000 - isn't that INSANE! One place charges $7000 just for TEN DAYS!
I wish i could write to someone high up and complain about those prices! That's SOOOOO wrong to charge that kind of money for what they actually do. And for people who are in NEED and WANT of help....they have to go and screw it up with being so selfish! The rehab i went to 3 yrs. ago charged my parents $3500 for ONE week....and let me tell u they did NOTHING they stated they would do and there is no way in hell my stay was worth even 1/2 that! They rip people off like there's no tomorrow.
I could knock them out just thinking of it!
Well i'm off to take my puppy girl outside.......even though it's raining dogs and cats
maggie does the sub make you break out?it makes me break out with these small pimple-like bumps but not a pimple.it is all over my back and front chest.nothing will come out of it unless you really squeeze it hard.its like the hair follicle is infected like.i dont know but it is nasty lookin.girlfriend says i'm eat up with something.asked dr about it and he was clueless as usual.nothing works to get rid of it,it comes and goes.more sub=more bumps-less sub=less bumps, so i know that is what causes it.play the slots for me.good luck-spark
Well, first off i wanted to tell you about night sleeping and naps. There is a huge difference. When i was in college i studied this whole big thing on it. When you sleep at night your body actually goes through different phases of sleep. One where you dream, one part where you don't etc etc.
I always feel like i dream all night long. Long horrible nughtmares where i am always running away but i can't run fast. Im in like slow motion. And it is EVeRY night. Well i am so tired all day that i actually asked the dr. about it. He said the same thing i had learned in class, that i was only staying in that one stage at night. So my body wasn't physically recooperating and resting and getting the sleep i need.
ANd he said it is the same when you nap. I am a champion napper. That is my Hobby, And i have a 4 pound doggie who loves to nap with me under the covers. Well, i have almost killed the poor thing a couple times because i am so violent while i nap. The dr. said that you only are letting your body and mind go through one part of the sleep cycle and it can actually be bad for you. He said the best thing to do is just rest for 20 minutes because that actually gives your body and your mind energy to deal with the rest of the day. Whereas before you use all of it plus more because you are moving so much and your body is so active.
Certain medications can change your dreams too. PLus stopping them too.
You are NOT going to die. I promise. Even if you have a dream where you are dying. It wont happen. I have dreamt i died in my sleep. Look, i am still here.
I think your body is going through musle spasms because your brain relaxed enough to make your body do it, but it didn't go to sleep all the way where that part of your mind actually paralyzes your body. (Your brain has an automatic turn off valve, where when you hit a certain stage of sleep it actually paralyzes your body so you don't act out your dreams). In some people it is defective and that is why people sleep walk.
I hope i didn't just sound like a nerd. At least now i know i learned something in college besides just debt and stress. HA HA
So try next time to just lay down and relax and sleep for a 1/2 hour. I know you want to sleep more. But try it. See what happens. And as for the brain zaps.. Don't they suck? It is the weirdest thing in the world to me.
And also. do you reall ywant to go to rehab? I know it would be nice,and i can't afford it either so i try to talk to myself out of it by telling myslef, "Well, they wouldn't be doing anything differently than i would be doing at home". It's not like they can give you awesome drugs. ANd what if you get stuck with a horrible roommate? See, maybe that would help.
Have an awesome time with your mom!!!
By the way, my doggie Taco just jumped on my desk and licked the computer screen. So kisses from Taco!!
I know exactly what the 'zaps' are and they are just horrid. They are scary and yes, it also entered my mind that I was dying.
I first experienced them years ago in cancer treatment during the time I was getting chemothrapy (chemicals). Hated, hated hated when they occured. I tried to tell the oncologist and he just stared at me blankly. It was only when I shared with another chemo patient that someone finally acknowledged what I was feeling with them.
When I initially started tapering and started too strong a taper because both the oxycodone and Xanax were brought down at the same time, they hit me again. My legs also banged off the bed... my whole damn body lifted off the bed. I really did think again that I was going to die and I was so scared I just lay there and endured it. I could not move myself off that bed for love of life or limb. Totally paralyzed by fear.
When they stopped that first night, my brain finally vclamed down enough to think a bit. It was then that I realized that it was the chemical reactions again, just like in chemo. The chemicals and our adjusting on and off of them through the brain into a frenzy. It is trying to self correct I guess. And anything that occurs in the brain is bound to effect the nervous system ... like making the body jerk without intention. I do believe that when I went into that full withdrawal mode from too heavy a start on the taper, I had mini seizures. I talked with my family doctor about this and he thought so, too. But there was nothing to do after it had ocurred and I survived them. sometimes Depakote is given when coming off benzos to prevent seizures.
I am sorry you had to endure this. But now you have endured it and hopefully the zaps will never hit you again. I had them in the beginning of my taper for a few weeks, but they subsided. It is good that you shared about them. Now try to put them away and get ready to enjoy time with Mom.
This is all going to be in the past at some point, Maggie. Every crummy symptom will end. yes, it will. And then the physical suffering will be a thing of the past and life will be waiting for you to grab ahold of and celebrate in.
Oh, I know it sounds like I am a Pollyanna when I say this, but I know it is true. I know it because it has happened for me.
maggie-mae, I just want to let you know that someting similar has been happening to me for years- while napping! When it started I was a teenager and not taking any meds. I mentioned it to a couple of docs along the way and got some strange looks. Anyway it started happening more and more and finally decided to bring it to the attention of my neuro (I'm 39 now). He is the FIRST ONE not to look at me like I'm nuts! He actually cracked smile (not his style) and went on to tell me that this may be a mild form of narcolepsy and what's happening is called sleep paralysis. Like the other poster said-mind and body are not in sync, not waking up together therefore you are "paralyzed". He says it's harmless unless of course I start dropping off to sleep while driving or something! That hasn't happened in all these years so we don't think it will. It could also be seizure related but my tests said no.
So it may not have anything to do with your meds but I suppose it can.
Just another idea!
Dear Maggie, I too suffer from sleep paralysis just the other night I had about three episodes. I have had them for many years I will not sleep on my back because the first episode was when i slept on my back. Very scary I get completely paralized and cant move i try to wake myself up sometimes i can move a finger but thats it. I find if I am overtired it happens. Sometimes if you try to stay awake but your body wants sleep it happens. Just try to get a good nights rest same time every night and not overdue it.
It's not too much to worry about most people will have at least one episode of this in their lifetime, including myself, I thought it was just a very vivid dream for awhile. I hope all goes well for you.
Last edited by dude28828; 12-25-2007 at 04:54 AM.