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Old 01-18-2008, 08:00 AM   #1
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Well I got the lecture I have been waiting for,NOW I need help opiate problems

Okay so I have had a long and scary history with pills.I have gone on and off them when I cannot get them.This year has been my undoing.I have no idea what to do now.

I have had some health problems, mainly with my teeth.I need a lot of work done on them.The other problem I have is pelvic pain.My primary care doc RX's tylenol 2's every couple months or so.The problem? Everything is overlapping now and I am scared.

My dentist has been super good with the pain pills from day 1.I thought I was ok..I really did.At first it was tylenol 3's and then after my root canal appt she gave me both percs an tylenol 3's.Mostly she has offered them or just given them to me.I rarely have to ask.

I saw my primary 2 weeks ago and he gave me a script for tylenol 2's.I am going to see a specialist for pelvic pain also.
I woke up the other day with a sinus problem, my face was all swollen and I knew it was my tooth.I went to see the dentist and she put me on antibiotics.I was almost crying from the pain.

I asked her for a weak painkiller and she started in on how the drugs are addicting and she is becoming very concerned that I am taking so many, when my last refill was etc.I told her it was OK I would make due with tylenol.She said it wouldn't help and gave me tylenol 3's, I stupidly filled them! Now I fear she will A) Contact my Dr to discuss my drug use OR B) I will get caught with 2 filled within 30 days which is pretty serious.

Lots of ppl say I should contact them both and tell them about the others RX's.My Dr would LOSE it if he knew how many drugs I have been on this year, of course he may already know because maybe she called.

Do you think someone would call me before they come and haul me away? Every knock on the door I am having a panic attack.Am I overthinking?

 
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Old 01-18-2008, 08:26 AM   #2
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Re: Well I got the lecture I have been waiting for,NOW I need help opiate problems

First of all you need to calm down!!! I don't think your dentist is going to mess around making many phone calls to diffrent places just to nail you. You need to stop and think about what you are doing! First off you are not being up front with your physicans just like addicts are ( including myself) if we were than how would we keep our supply up? This can be serious because it leads into other behaviors and bottom line you need to quit. If it was me I would leave well enough alone ...But DO NOT ask for any more pills. You are not going to get hauled away unless you are calling in your own scripts or writing your own then that is a huge felony!!

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Old 01-18-2008, 08:35 AM   #3
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Okay BUT I think they take the whole "you cannot fill 2 scripts within 30 days for narcotics from different doctors" pretty seriously here.So that is what I am worried about.

I am not even sure my dentist can call my doctor? I had myself convinced that she did and then I am screwed.The thing is, she is a pain advocate and I was not thinking I even had a problem until she RX'ed them.

So THIS is what I think will happen.The dentist calls the Dr, the dentist tells the Dr about all the drugs I was getting (he is ant drug) THEN they realize they overlapped a couple of times and BINGO I am busted.Am I freaking for no reason?

I do not want to go get help from my MD for this, I cannot take NSAIDS and he already has "Moniter Anelgesics" on my chart, whatever that means.Over the past 6 months I have gotten maybe 1 script of tylenol 2 and 2 bottles of cough syrup...the dentist..another story.

 
Old 01-18-2008, 09:01 AM   #4
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Did you tell the dentist anything about going to the doctor in the past few weeks? I'm sure you will have nothing to worry about ...Just don't do it again is all I'm sayin.

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Old 01-18-2008, 09:07 AM   #5
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Re: Well I got the lecture I have been waiting for,NOW I need help opiate problems

I didnt know there was a 30 day more than one doctor law. You have nothing to worry about. I have done that so many times over the past 3 years...probably more than two docs and nothing has ever happened. Also, my husband is a doctor and trust me they dont take the time to make calls and put two and two together. And not because they dont have time. They are lazy! ha-ha

 
Old 01-18-2008, 09:08 AM   #6
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Oh yeah she knows I have a sinus infection and chronic pain issues,I am sure he would LOSE it if he knew the amount of drugs she has RX'ed.I am talking severe dental problems.She is a huge pain advocate like I said,I mean maybe she is feeling bad herself fro RX'ing so much.

All she said was she was concerned about the amount I was taking..My file is like 12 pages long.I did get all the dental work done, which is a little un addict like.

I am seriously hoping that if she was going to talk to someone it would be me and not my Dr but you never know...I think she wants to help me and I hope someone can.I do want help but fear seeing my Dr, because he will then find out about the amounts.I never really shared all that much of my dental stuff with him........

 
Old 01-18-2008, 09:11 AM   #7
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Re: Well I got the lecture I have been waiting for,NOW I need help opiate problems

Here it is:
This issue is complicated through cases of double-doctoring. Remember, it is not a crime to see more than one physician for a narcotic or controlled drug, but the patient must inform the physician that he/she has received a narcotic or controlled drug within the last 30 days.

 
Old 01-18-2008, 09:16 AM   #8
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Read your post again. TRUST ME you have nothing to worry about. I have had three doctors over the few years accuse me of "possibly having a drug problem", and not once did anything happen. Nothing will happen to you. What is interesting is that I am a total worrier but I didnt worry at all when those incidences happened. From one big worrier to another: you seriously have nothing to worry about.

 
Old 01-18-2008, 09:24 AM   #9
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Thank you,I actually read some cases where people got charged and it was not often 2 doctors, more like 7 doctors and 22 counts of whatever.I know, she is such a helpful dentist I am hoping she isn't TOO helpful if you know what I mean.

 
Old 01-18-2008, 09:29 AM   #10
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That is the law here too. I have never informed any of the doctors that I had scripts from other docs. And if you think that she informed your doc then it would have happened by now and you would know because they (the Doctors) would have contacted you. They wouldn't call the police trust me. You would know by now and nothing has happened so it is fine. I feel bad for you because I know what it is like to worry about things that aren't worth worrying about. It is a horrible, sinking feeling. Keep me posted

 
Old 01-18-2008, 09:29 AM   #11
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Ok, is it a "law" or is it a "law" as stated by your insurance company? or by the pharmacy itself? I know that with Medicaid where I live they will only allow you to have a 30 day supply that they will pay for. And a 30 day supply is for whatever dosage your doc gave the Rx for. The issue I had when I was first diagnosed with Degenerative Disc, was that my doctor continually under-perscribed the medication for pain so that I was always either running out or having to take the max perscribed dosages to get any relief. Of course this left me showing the "drug seeking behavior" as I was having to go back before my next appointment to get more meds and was having them up the dosage. It was on one of these "early" visits that the doc said it had been 1&1/2 mos since the pain started (a bulging disc and a ruptured disc in my neck) so the pain was no longer acute and he was unwilling to continue perscribing narcotic pain meds. My insurance didn't cover ultram, so he decided to give me a box of samples he had in his office. There I was, in serious pain, being told that the only relief I had been able to experiance was being taken away and I was to try this new stuff with no transition period and I was being called an addict because I was crying and scared (and alone mind you). The samples were Neurontin, I took them as he perscribed and then ran out and found that my insurance didn't cover that either and the script was $400 dollars for a months supply. So I ended up stopping the Neurontin cold with no step down as he no longer even had samples and got to experiance serious depressive issues for about 6 mos and fired my doctor. I know me venting probably dosent help at all, but make sure you advocate well for yourself and not from a fear based position. It may just be that you need a different doctor who understands your issues and can work through it with you. If you do end up "truely" having issues (which I don't think you do) they can work with switching you to meds like ultram and serious anti-inflammatories. I honestly think that once your short term pain issues pass so will what would seem to be over indulgance.

 
Old 01-18-2008, 09:33 AM   #12
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Plus tylenol 2 and 3 dont even count. A doctor shopper would not shop for those. They would want the good stuff! I just feel for you because I know what the mind can do and I can feel how miserable you are

 
Old 01-18-2008, 09:34 AM   #13
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Weepingwillo - I am so sorry that you pretty much had to go through hell trying to get the pain releif you needed!! Did you ever get any pain releif? Did they ever give you any high narcotic drug?

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Old 01-18-2008, 09:37 AM   #14
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After reading a little deeper.....
1. you need a new doctor that is pro-patients and not "anti-drug". As far as the pain-meds, when you are truely in pain, pain meds are appropriate.
2. It would sound like you are really trying to limit your intake, the problem is that by getting idividual Rx's for each issue you are overlapping when one pain-med could treat all.....
3. What I have found is that when you start using the good stuff to treat things like hang-overs, or waking up a little stiff is when you get into trouble with it. My personal opinion, which is probably redundant at this point, is that as long as there is serious pain there should be a serious treatment. If they have things that can make me comfortable at least some of the time then why is it so wrong for me to have them?

good luck sweetie......tis a long rough road

 
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I started to see an Osteopath once a month which was $200 a month plus my script.....he put me on norco and naproxin, my dad paid for it for awhile then I got pregnant at which point I dropped down to Vicodin 500 2 or 3 tiems a week and was told the visits were covered by my insurance, so the visits increased to twice a month which was still less then he told me I needed, I had the baby and then got a bill for all the visits I had had with him telling me that it was not actually covered. I don't want to even talk about the nightmare I went through at the hospital, but needless to say 3 weeks after a cesarean I had to go back for gall bladder surgery when I was showing symptoms while still in hospital after the baby. Since then I have basically just dealt with it. Some days are better than others, and there have even been periods of time where I can do physical work. With kids and dogs I have no choice but to stay somewhat active and that is a life saver.

 
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