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Old 06-30-2010, 02:44 PM   #1
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How to wean off suboxone?

I have 14 8mg pills left. I need to know how to tapper off

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Old 06-30-2010, 02:53 PM   #2
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Re: HELP me to get of suboxone please!!!!

I am gonna try to get off suboxone. I just need to know how to wein myself. Any help would be great

 
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Old 07-01-2010, 09:12 AM   #3
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Re: HELP me to get of suboxone please!!!!

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I am gonna try to get off suboxone. I just need to know how to wein myself. Any help would be great
Haynes, this is how I did it. I pasted it from another thread about tapering, which I did successfully about six months ago (still opiate free!). It's going to be trickier with 8mg, you may have to get a scrip for 2s because you really do get down tiny bits of the stuff. Good luck to you. I'd be happy to answer any questions this post doesn't cover.

I don't know who told you to jump at 4mg but I would NOT recommend that. You will have a hard time. As for me, like I said, I really didn't have any withdrawal pains. This is because I did the following:

I got down to 2mg from way up when I first detoxed off the oxy. I stayed on 2mg for some time. It was my security blanket. Then almost more for financial reasons, I started halving them. I did this for a couple of months. I then quartered them. Also did this for a couple of months. Then 1/8ths, yes, 1/8ths of a 2mg.

It is possible to do this by using a straight edge razor blade and cutting them exactly. I did eights for a couple of months. Now when I say a couple of months, that's what I did. But most docs advice I've heard about these incremental weaning steps, it's best to stay at each reduced dose for a period of at least two weeks. (Nobody ever said this was easy, or quick. This stuff is formidably powerful medicine.)

okay, so here it gets tricky. You're down to the smallest possible dose, IMO, unless you are dissolving it in water and taking it liquid form, which I've read successful WD-free weaners from this board. I'll address that later, but in my experience it is not necessary and sounds like a pain in the arse.

So when you're down to your 1/8th crumbs, you have to skip a day. This is pushing the half life of this drug, which is incredibly long (thus making high dose jump offs WD onset excruciating and can come as late as FIVE DAYS TO A WEEK LATER!)

Skipping a day for the first time will hopefully come on a day (and it will come) when you just forget to take it. You are down so low on this and you are on the final lap, and most of the panic and need for this small dosage is in your head. Once you skip your first day, and you have the confidence that it can be painlessly done, then you need to start skipping a day as frequently as possible until you're taking one every other day w/o exception.

After I first started skipping days, it probably took me a month to be strictly taking one 1/8th every other day. Once I was there, I kept that up for almost a month (I was scared sh*tless). What I didn't know was that I was at the perfect jump off point for my body, and I am highly sensitive about w/d symptoms.

I probably would have gone on for months more at this dose, but I went on 7day cruise to the Bahamas and brought the wrong pill case (can you imagine that!?) I was on a boat for a week w no meds. So I waited for the WD pangs to kick in the whole cruise, and nothing happened. Some extremely mild goose flesh, sneezing, and difficulty sleeping. That's it. Like hay fever, seasonal allergies. Nothing more.

This went on for another week after I returned, going down in intensity each day. When I was home, I took the Seroquel I am prescribed to sleep, and that side effect was gone. I flushed the rest of those orange devils down the drain and never thought about them again.

Couple more things about this. As mentioned, the 'tricky part' was when you start skipping the doses and pushing the half life. Didn't really realize it while it was happening because it was so mild, but I was detoxing a little when I made the jump to every other day doses. Your are basically paying it forward, so when you stop for good it's almost as if nothing has changed.

If you do my little taper, the point at which you start skipping those 1/8ths will be the hardest part. Keep this in mind when you get to D-Day and you have to stop. Hopefully you'll be on a boat in paradise too (great place to dry out!)

The worst part (the only time I had opiate wd discomfort through this whole process and since I'd kicked the oxys basically) was WHEN YOU START SKIPPING A DAY). And I truly believe that a lot of the anxiety and discomfort was in my head because I was so scared about going through what I'd gone through w/ oxy, especially at this stage in my life, with things going so well, good job, etc.

Any addict knows, we are our own worst enemies. But what I've learned getting through this stuff is we are also way stronger than we know. I stumbled upon skipping the day, and it was easy. It took me stranded on a boat to realize that I could easily stop subs finally because of my methodical taper. I didn't have faith in myself.

If you feel that you have been on suboxone long enough for your brain to heal, you've evolved socially and spiritually, removed yourself from the habits, people and places that triggered and facilitated the abuse, and you are ready to get free from the chains, I recommend this taper wholeheartedly.

Talk this through with your doctor. Remember that painless detox means nothing if you start using again two months later. I know for certain if I got off subs directly following detox, or even less than a year later (I took over two), that I would have gone right back to my old habits. So don't be hasty, and get some counsel!

Wow, that was cathartic. I hope it helps you. I am going to try and be a presence here and will watch eagerly for any response or feedback you have. I really really really want to help, and also remind myself of the nightmare that opiate addiction is.

One last thing, because I promised earlier: about the liquifying the subs, I have NOT done this, but there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with it, and you can get down to an even smaller final dose, so it may be even more painless. Search this technique on these boards and you will read some peoples experiences with that method.

Keep in touch!
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Old 07-01-2010, 09:39 AM   #4
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Re: How to wean off suboxone?

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Thanks for your help. I will stay in contact and advise you of my progress.

 
Old 07-01-2010, 09:54 AM   #5
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Re: HELP me to get of suboxone please!!!!

That was some very sound advice. I knew this was some powerful sh*#. I have one question, should I go ahead and break up all my pills? What impressed me about what you said was the half life. I thought this was the "new generation" of drug for addiction and it was sold to me in a high end rehab. As much as the pharmaceutical Co try to make the ol legal tender I suppose there will be threads like this and for that I am grateful.

 
Old 07-01-2010, 12:44 PM   #6
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Re: How to wean off suboxone?

I just want to say I agree with fluffhead - completely. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Good luck Hanes - please keep us posted on your progress.

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Old 07-01-2010, 01:49 PM   #7
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Re: How to wean off suboxone?

This board is amazing. Its incredible what a few people with like afflictions can accomplish with a little compassion and allot of experience with addiction. I pray that a clinician will happen upon this information and utilize this tried and true process to help more people. You know, I put off the attempt to get clean because the dreaded D T's. But with you guys I feel confident to proceed. Again, thanks

 
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My pleasure - I hope everything works out

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Old 07-02-2010, 01:35 PM   #9
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Re: How to wean off suboxone?

Dude, the pharmaceutical companies are evil. They make an addiction substitute w the smallest dose being aproximately ten times a safe jump off dose. Ergo they don't want you to quit.they want you on subs for years or indefinitely. They are explicit abt this in the form of 'studies' suggesting life long use being the most effective application of suboxone. Alas, I did most of my weaning w a doctors (head of addiction for a major catholic hospital) supervision and he said scoring your pills was no prob to do. Try to do it exactingly, so your dosing right. Unfortunately, that entails a razor blade. Like I said I got off when I was down to an eighth of a two mg pill, which is basically impossible w the eights (I think..) So you might need to get 2s for the final weaning if you have access to a scrip. Good luck. It feels so good to not worry abt taking a little pill every day or get dope sick (which subs will def make you). I hope you succeed.

 
Old 07-02-2010, 02:01 PM   #10
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Thanks for your continued support. I am having some gruesome hot flash/sweats Maybe 3X a day and 1 to 2 Xs at night. It includes having to change the bed sheets. It last about 1 minute and then I am as wet as being in the shower. I hope it will pass soon

 
Old 07-03-2010, 02:22 PM   #11
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Re: How to wean off suboxone?

Need more info. Why is this happening? If your getting this reaction from reducing your dosage, you're prob reducing too fast.

 
Old 07-03-2010, 05:35 PM   #12
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Re: How to wean off suboxone?

I just joined this and It's kinda nice to know I'm not the only one. I started weaning myself off the suboxone on my own and right now is probably the worst. I cut myself down to half an 8mg every other day and where I started messing up was you get so use to NOT being uncomfortable I started taking the half earlier and earlier in the day which meant closer and closer together to the point where I actually have my fiance' giving them to me. I know it sounds bad but as much as I'm glad this is out there and I really do wanna quit for me its just too easy to feel "better.' So good luck. I hope everything works out for you. I know since doing that it has for me.

 
Old 07-03-2010, 06:02 PM   #13
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I was taking 4mg twice daily for 3 weeks and the I started 2mg twice a day on Monday (6-28-10). I think you are right about doing it to fast, I need to start keeping record and be more precise.
Actually I only had one sweat today and it was right before I took my last dose.

 
Old 07-03-2010, 06:04 PM   #14
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Re: How to wean off suboxone?

I thank all of you guys for helping me through this

 
Old 07-03-2010, 09:28 PM   #15
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Re: How to wean off suboxone?

4mg is too high to start taking one every day if you want to avoid wds in my opinion. I think that's it. The skipping doses should be the last step of your taper, which is when you're down to crumbs. Skipping days at 4mg is needless torture because you're still way high, can't jump off from there but you're making yourself sick skipping days.

 
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