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Old 10-25-2010, 11:10 AM   #1
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Does Clonidine help with sub/opiate withdrawals....

Just wondering if anyone has had luck with clonidine helping with withdrawals. After doing a bunch of research it seems it does, but my doctor has never mentioned this to me.
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Re: Does Clonidine help with sub/opiate withdrawals....

I used clonidine for withdrawals and it definitely helped. Clonidine is a blood pressure medication that slows down the central nervous system, however it was found to help with opiate withdrawal as well. I found it really helped with the sweats/chills and anxiety.

Your doctor may not have mentioned this cause he/she isn't aware that it helps addicts. Is he/she a family physician? You should print off some info about it, just in case your doctor isn't aware of the benefits of Clonidine, and ask him/her if you can do a trial to see if it helps you.

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Re: Does Clonidine help with sub/opiate withdrawals....

If you can you might want to find a clinic etc that is more knowledgeable sounds like the doc missed one of the important ones to help in your pain from witdrawl..my blood pressure went thru the roof and clonidine is good for that and it has more than just blood pressure claims as it seems to calm and help with the restless leg syndrome(the reslessness can also go thru-out the body as if you have tourettes syndrome which it did for me) that can drive you mad and keep you sleepless. If you have a heart condition allowing your pressure to go thru the roof is not a good idea. But after several days you should be cleaner in your blood. I am a legal taker of pain meds from numerous injurys and try to educate myself as much as possible since Drs like to keep it a mystery.

 
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Re: Does Clonidine help with sub/opiate withdrawals....

Without naming it since it doesn't run thru my mind but it starts with a p and is an old fashioned antihistamine/recovery med that works wonder on the severe agitation on your stomach and also helps to mellow you from the terrible anxiety from crying to anger..It is one that is used in hand with clonidine. It is a motion sickness helper as many antihistamines can be. I had used it from my pain mangement doctor as he wanted me to go off from time to time. Boy was that cruel. Phenergan now popped into my head..This is one more your doc should be helping you with.
As it is nothing total eliminates( unless you wean thru methadone which I have but that can be addicting too so to be on it for a long time is not a good idea) and it is still a cruel adjustment. Don't forget the Immodium full strength..These are my experiences and to get professional help who are experienced in pain med withdrawl is helpful if you can..My area where I live is so limited and it is a shame since I live in a large suburban area of a big city. It is a real shame the picture that is painted of pain meds and the ones who use them through a doctor to alleviate pain. The war on drugs goes so far that it creates problems for those who are legally using them..I find the hypocrisy of alcohol abuse that is an epidemic compared to legal pain meds to be unnoticed by the lawmakers or politicians etc. God Bless

 
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Re: Does Clonidine help with sub/opiate withdrawals....

Thank you all sooooo much for your replies. I really appreciate it! I'm going through this with my pain management doctor. He feels that there should be no problem getting off of suboxone..but we all know that's a bunch of crap. I see him this afternoon so I will be asking for clonidine.
Is the patch or the pills better? I'd probably have a better chance at getting the pills but we'll see. He's not a very open minded doctor and I don't think he would like it at all if I brought in info. from the internet....I would LOVE to do that though and I have thought about it.

If you all don't mind....say a quick prayer for me that he will be more open minded today on helping me through this. I'm down to a very low dose on suboxone but I'm really needing some meds for just a very short time to help with the end of this.
My symptoms are: LOTS of anxiety and panic, tired but can't sleep well, depression feelings, restlessness, and that awful crawling out of your skin feeling. Did anyone else have these as well??

Thanks so much,
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Re: Does Clonidine help with sub/opiate withdrawals....

schao so sorry you have to do the cold turkey thing. I understand suboxene does not relieve the withdrawls but supposedly makes it more tolerable. the jury is still out on that. Nothing will completely eliminate your misery but some meds can help with some side effects. Methadone at just enough amounts and than tapering off right away with methadone is the most civil . Methadone was actually invented in Germany around the World wars to help heroin addicts get off of it. Methadone is addicting also as it is an opiate. but it is unique
When I was told to go off for a while the Doc gave me phenergan,clonidine and valium. all having their specialtys. valium is good at calming seizures along with xanax. Clonidine is good for the crazy High Blood Pressure , restless leg or body syndrome andgood for mellowing. Phenergan is great for the tummy and also relaxes ..Immodium you figure out on you own..I had the pill form and it worked fine. A patch is slow release over several hours.
Once again nothing really helps 100 percent except for methadone. I know the withdrawls get so bad you just don't want to move from the bed but than the restless legs drive you nuts. thankfully the meds do help with side affects. they used to say vitamin C was good for heroin addicts. I would imagine all vitamins are good..Potassium would also help against the kicking legs. After 4 days to a week you should be close to recover. The last week is for getting strength back. Hopefully you have people around you who are not judgemental and don't act as if it is nothing ..I find there are lots of people who have not have to endure chronic pain, and drug withdrawl. If you can live with the pain you are better off trying to but there are many who cannot. I describe some of my pain as having to go thru a high fever every day where your body aches. Not to forget the more sharper pains.
I had heard that subonx. wasn't addicting and so it was a wonder drug. God bless and if you need some more friendly encouragement don't hesitate.

 
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Re: Does Clonidine help with sub/opiate withdrawals....

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Thank you all sooooo much for your replies. I really appreciate it! I'm going through this with my pain management doctor. He feels that there should be no problem getting off of suboxone..but we all know that's a bunch of crap. I see him this afternoon so I will be asking for clonidine.
Is the patch or the pills better? I'd probably have a better chance at getting the pills but we'll see. He's not a very open minded doctor and I don't think he would like it at all if I brought in info. from the internet....I would LOVE to do that though and I have thought about it.

If you all don't mind....say a quick prayer for me that he will be more open minded today on helping me through this. I'm down to a very low dose on suboxone but I'm really needing some meds for just a very short time to help with the end of this.
My symptoms are: LOTS of anxiety and panic, tired but can't sleep well, depression feelings, restlessness, and that awful crawling out of your skin feeling. Did anyone else have these as well??

Thanks so much,
schao
to add to my previous comment today I get all of those symptoms and than some. I have dreams constantly that I am spitting up nasty stomach fluids and more and so I call it my body cleansing itself like its a natural process. those dreams are the worst. and I cry at the drop of a hat and get mad just as quick. The withdrawls can be as bad as the chronic pain.
Don't get stuck in a hospital with a nurse that likes to help themself. I had one do that to me and After surgery on my broken arm I went thru withdrawls in the hospital because I believe the nurse was giving me next to nothing. they say it happens all the time.
take care and hope it goes well.

 
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Re: Does Clonidine help with sub/opiate withdrawals....

Thanks ilovehawaii. Well, went to my PM appt. at least hoping for some anxiety medicine and he gave me NOTHING!!!! He said he doesn't prescribe anything to help with withdrawals. I was soooo mad at him. I have been going to him for 4 years now, I've been a good patient and he says that there's nothing he can give me. Clonidine was ridiculous to him.

So, if anyone knows of a sub doctor in AZ that actually helps their patients..please let me know.
I'm very down now so I'm off to bed.

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Re: Does Clonidine help with sub/opiate withdrawals....

Schao, I would find another doctor period. Clonodine is well know in addiction circles to ease some of the syptoms of withdrawals. In fact, it was offered immediately to me when I went to detox at a local hospital for my withdrawals. I refused it, but it is utterly ridiculous that your doctor does not know or acknowledge this. It makes me wonder what other wrong things he has done in treating you. Do not get discouraged, just be vigilant about your health and find someone to work with you.

 
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Re: Does Clonidine help with sub/opiate withdrawals....

I agree with Musicman. Do some research and find another doctor. Your recovery is number one, period. It may take many phone calls until you find the right one, but it will be worth it in the end.

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Re: Does Clonidine help with sub/opiate withdrawals....

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Thanks ilovehawaii. Well, went to my PM appt. at least hoping for some anxiety medicine and he gave me NOTHING!!!! He said he doesn't prescribe anything to help with withdrawals. I was soooo mad at him. I have been going to him for 4 years now, I've been a good patient and he says that there's nothing he can give me. Clonidine was ridiculous to him.

So, if anyone knows of a sub doctor in AZ that actually helps their patients..please let me know.
I'm very down now so I'm off to bed.

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I forget why are you getting off the drugs in the first place? Also I would drop that doctor. But good luck on getting help unless AZ has good help for this. I imagine you PM doc wants to keep you strung out so he continues to get his money. Don;t be surprised. They have no problem dishing out Oxycontin etc that have bad reps but to help with your getting off the pain mes is terrible..I would report him to whoever that oversees his profession. You also might want to tell him how you feel , maybe he will sprout a heart.
I think some of these DRs are interested in just the money considering some will kick you out the door within a minute. My doctor is an older one and still has the old fashioned good customer service. Iwent through a few doctors before I found one that was actually interested in helping you properly. Sorry about the hassle.

 
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Re: Does Clonidine help with sub/opiate withdrawals....

What are your symptoms of suboxen withdrawl and maybe this doctor thinks they are not as bad as an opiate WD..I thought that suboxen wasn't an opiate so it wasn't addicting.. Is it more of a mental addiction like anxiety as you say versus the opiate WD that cause every symptom possible.

 
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Re: Does Clonidine help with sub/opiate withdrawals....

Thanks everyone for the support....it really means alot to me.
I'm actually going to see my primary doctor and see if he can help me first, then if not I'll be on the phone trying to find a good sub doctor for sure.

Ilovehawaii....My PM doctor said that using suboxone is tons easier to get off of than the percocet and morphine I was on before. Unfortunately suboxone is VERY hard to get off of and he just doesn't understand that. Doctors can be so stupid sometimes.
Suboxone is an opiate..it has 2 components in it....buprenorphine (the opiate), and I believe it's called Naloxone (the opiate antagonist). I think that's right.

So, we'll see if I can get help from my primary....wish me luck!

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Re: Does Clonidine help with sub/opiate withdrawals....

Ok, so my primary doctor is calling in Vistaril and Xanax. Do you all think this will help me?

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Re: Does Clonidine help with sub/opiate withdrawals....

Sounds like a similar med (vistaril) as the phenegan. They are older antihistamines with many qualitys. I have taken only the phenergan. I suffered from allergies when I was a child more so than as an adult and so who knows what I may have had.
Even with those two meds to control the WD's you will still suffer ..Can't you wean yourself down? Is suboxin more extreme to go cold turkey than say oxycodone? Whatever that case may be can you be off of the opiates completely or are you in such chronic pain? I tell people if they can go without they are better off. If you are working also don't be surprised if you have to call in sick from the havoc your body will go through.
LAstly DO NOT forget your anti-diarhea meds because you will not be able to be normal for a while and because of that you may lose your electrolytes so replenish!!!!!!

 
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