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Old 05-12-2012, 03:59 PM   #1
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One Extra Pill?

Hi all, been detoxing off of Percocet and I just want to know. Would it really really screw up my detox if I take a stronger pill? I am in pain, and the amount I am on does nothing for it. I see a new detox dr on the 17th, but I am weary of pain. I am also detoxing from Cymbalta at the same time. I just want a bit of time of relief.

I know you will all tell me not to do it. But when you go day after day, hour after hour in pain, you just want some peace, if only for awhile.

 
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Hi all, been detoxing off of Percocet and I just want to know. Would it really really screw up my detox if I take a stronger pill? I am in pain, and the amount I am on does nothing for it. I see a new detox dr on the 17th, but I am weary of pain. I am also detoxing from Cymbalta at the same time. I just want a bit of time of relief.

I know you will all tell me not to do it. But when you go day after day, hour after hour in pain, you just want some peace, if only for awhile.
Pamela,

I will share a story with you.....

I was in catastrophic pain for several weeks and began taking an extra opiod analgesic daily.......

As I have signed a pain management agreement with my neurologist,it was my obligation to make her aware of the increased dosage.
Luckily for me,she agreed that an additional tablet will benefit me,as I haven't been abusing any of my controlled substances.

Please contact your prescribing physician.........

Here's the thing;you're tapering but at some point your pain will interrupt this tapering regimen and it's at that time that you'll need to make a decision.

If you're in moderate to severe pain,at one point,lowering your dosage will effect you both physically and psychologically.

Please discuss this with your prescribing physician.

It seems like you're coming to that crossroads where you've lessened the dosage but are still experiencing pain.

I seriously don't know if it's in the cards for you to be entirely off of pain meds,if you are experiencing legit pain.

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Re: One Extra Pill?

One of the several challenges we face in withdrawal is the fact that long term use of opiates has tweaked our neuro pain receptors and we actually more intensely perceive pain than a "normie" would with the same diagnosis.

This really is an issue that must be most expertly managed by your pain specialist.

 
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Hi there!first off i cant tell u how sorry i am that you are in pain. pain is what almost always causes my relapses, that and anxiety.

i totally agree with phoenix and readerroz. i personally could see this two very different ways. you are either in horrible pain because your dose has been cut back too low to manage a legitimate pain issue, or your body is feeling more pain than it should because of the long term opiate use. this is common in patients who take pain medicine exactly as prescribed. they build tolerance and need more for the same amount of relief. i myself would talk to your doc and be honest.. tell them you are in pain. i would take a step back first, if ur able, and honestly answer this question to yourself: "am i REALLY in this much pain, or do i just want more pills?" im not implying that you do, ive read ur past posts, and u seem like u really want off these things. i know i do and its kicking my butt. good luck to you. please keep posting and let us know how u are and what plan you and your doc came up with for tackling this.

 
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One of the several challenges we face in withdrawal is the fact that long term use of opiates has tweaked our neuro pain receptors and we actually more intensely perceive pain than a "normie" would with the same diagnosis.

This really is an issue that must be most expertly managed by your pain specialist.
readerroz, My doctor said something about a condition called (opiate induced pain?) or something like that. She said that people on long term opiate use, then detoxing do have something wrong with the pain receptors and the pain is just my brain wanting more drugs. I hear so many things, I am not sure about anything anymore. All I know is my pain level is now to the point where it is affecting everythingI do. I see my pain specialist on the 17th.

Thanks for the post.

 
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Re: One Extra Pill?

Phoenix, I began to detox because the dose I was on wasnt working anymore and I refused to go to a higher dose. I could see where that was headed. The doctor and I didnt discuss anything after that except that he wanted me to get on Cymbalta and see a doctor who would get my pain under control. Then he passed away. It has been hard to find a new doctor but am trying new ones now.

I think it has been affecting me both physically and mentally for quite some time now. Cymbalta didnt work, so all Ive done is take away any shred of relief with the detox.

I am taking half of what I began with, and I get a tiny bit of relief for about an hour each time I take it. I broke my 3 pills in half and am taking it every 4 hours instead of 1 every 8. That way I get just a brief amount of relief, but 6 times instead of 3. I feel like I have a chain and ball around my neck.

 
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Tysmom1, I didnt read your post till I responded to the other 2 and what you said is exactly what I was thinking. I am in legit pain. I hate taking meds. And I have never once felt any *high* or *euphoria* from taking them. All I felt was a relief of pain. You have no idea how sad I am that we develop this tolerance. When I first began taking the Oxy, I thought it was a miracle drug

 
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Chronic pain is a complicated issue when it comes to relief. Many factors come into play on which route (or routes) will help make it tolerable. Pain Specialists as a whole, shoot for an effective drug and dosage for the patient that makes their pain "manageable", not pain-free, as that usually requires a heavier dosage. Have you been tried on any other meds? Long-acting meds exist that should bring the relief you need but not make you loopy or cause a desire for more. Oriental Medicine, like Accupuncture, T'ia-Chi, and some others, combined with certain exercise and stretching, plus a nutrient-rich diet are quite helpful. At the height of my "pain clinic years", the doc had me on anti-depressants, Xanax, Adderall, and 80 mgs. of Methadone. It was then, after starting the Adderall, I found out I was ADHD, had been un-diagnosed for 35 years. He added it because the Methadone was zonking me out. In time (2 years) I weaned off it, totally (man, what a tough drug to get off of) and through the methods I mentioned, got by with no pain meds. The SSRI's are often used with pain mgmnt., as depression puts the pain at a greater level. Don't know your deal but maybe you can mention some of this stuff when you see your doc, but please don't run around hurting. Pain will take a greater toll on your body than you know. It is considered a vital sign. God Bless, JB

 
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I am SO sorry for your suffering. 4 more days...

Is there no way you can get in tomorrow?

 
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Re: One Extra Pill?

Hello Jack,
I understand everything you are saying, and most of all what pain does to the mind. You feel like a trapped animal with no way out. I hope to soon find out what is what and find some sort of plan. Ive said in other posts that I changed insurance plans a month ago and now can see drs that were out of reach before. Ive seen the first one of the group last week, and she is scheduling a MRI. First time in a year that a doctor is looking into anything. That alone has given me hope. The second one in the group is a psychiatrist who is in pain management and mental management. I know I need both. The third in the group is the detox doctor. Having all 3 working together should be a good thing. Thanks for your response

 
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Re: One Extra Pill?

readerroz, Thanks for your post. Because this is the first time seeing this doctor, there is no possible way to get in any sooner. I am fine with that. This is not a new thing with me. I was just in a very bad place mentally when I posted this thread. Coming off the Cymbalta at the same time as the Oxy has something to do with that too

There are way more others that are in greater pain than I, but thank you so much for your thoughts.

 
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You are in my prayers, sister.

 
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Arianna,

I'd like to say I read all the other posts and agree or don't but honestly I got tired and stopped. People will tell you many different things, they'll say you can't be in "real" pain and not take meds. You can. They'll say you can't honestly need pain meds and become addicted. You can. They'll say once you take long term pain meds you automatically become dependent. You don't. They'll say you shouldn't take long term narcotics for pain control. Why?

It all boils down to what is best and what works for you. If you can't function, because your pain is so high, then you probably need something stronger to control it. If your detoxing off your current meds for lack of a Dr. or insurance reason, those aren't really the best reasons. If you honestly need pain meds for legitimate pain and you take those meds as directed, your not doing anything wrong, just because society says it's a bad thing, most of society doesn't live in severe pain everyday of their life and frankly, they don't know what they're talking about.

As I type this post I'm sitting in my hospital bed, where i've been since wed., they tell me it's sunday, the nurse was nice enough to prop my laptop in my lap. I've been in chronic severe pain since I was 17, I'm now 43. I've had 30 some plus surgeries and I take pretty large amounts of narcotics everyday of my life, so that I can do that....life. I've also been addicted to a few different narcotics at a few different times and I've detoxed off of them. I was addicted by choice not by force. I frequently take "drug" holidays where I have to get off the meds for a few weeks to see where the pain is really at, so I know where to limit the meds....it doesn't matter, if I took the amount of meds it took to control my pain I wouldn't be able to function. If I can keep my pain at a 5 on a daily basis, I'm good. Unfortunately I'm not a good measure at pain levels for the standard population due to the whole bipolar and seizure thing. When you have a mental disorder thats a chemical imbalance which is corrected by heavy duty psych meds and a seizure disorder thats corrected by heavy duty anti seizure meds they don't always mix with the heavy duty narcotics, so a few time a year the brain goes nuts, seizures rule and you spend some time in the hospital getting it all sorted out. Upside of seizures is you don't really rememver most of the painful humiliating things you dr.s do to you, and when you live alone because it was easier for your alcoholic, physically abusive, cheating ex-husband to convince a divorce judge that you were medically unfit to care for the child you raised for 13 years than it was for you to convince the same judge, that he was, well an abusive cheating alcoholic, you don't have people to worry with your health problems!

The point is life sucks, it's unfair and some of us get dealt way worse hand than others. If you are in legitimate pain for which you need medications so that you can function and live your life and you take those medications as directed, then take the medications. Don't let people tell you your an addict because you have a medical need if your not.

 
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Wow Kat, all I can say is wow. You sure have had your share of it. I do believe all you say and will do as my doctor suggests. I am going there because I am in pain, and together we are going to figure out the best course of action.

I think my other doctor started me detoxing from Oxy to see exactly where my body was with pain after such a long time on it. He died so I became stuck in this situation, but I feel that with the proper help, that I will be set on the right course.

I wish you well Kat, and am in agreement with you... not everyone understands those who are in chronic pain, when they have never experienced it.

 
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Arianna,

I'm sure your Dr. will be able to help you. I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers. Don't give up. If you ever need to talk or I can help you any don't hesitate to give a yell, I'm usually around. Don't know if you've ever visited it, but there's a pretty good Pain Management Board on this site at well, lots of great folks who can be very helpful if you've questions regarding pain mangement.

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