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Old 02-16-2009, 02:28 PM   #1
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End Stage Concerns....

Hi
I read alot of posts on here but actually have not posted in awhile...
My MIL has had AD for about 10 years now...She has been in a NH setting since december of 2005 and was put on hospice in August of 2007 where she remained for 1 year. They did end up taking her off hospice in august of 2008 as she was really holding her own most of the time. She is definetley late stage 6 or stage 7. Since she got off hospice things have went downhill (no fault of the NH). She has had 3 bouts of pneumonia since January and has had to be catherized almost every day since then as well. They have been treating her with antibiotics....but they only seem to help for a day or two. She has recently lost weight and this weekend they started to "thicken" her drinks. She has only eaten pureed food for a long time. She seems to sleep ALOT more now...but does have some "good days".
There is alot more going on internally with her. Anyone else have any ideas on what comes next? She has been through so much already....

 
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Old 02-16-2009, 02:48 PM   #2
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Re: End Stage Concerns....

I'm sorry for your Mom's state...but if you have been reading you know that as long as she is taking in nourishment she can live for a long while. The UTIs will take her down faster than anything else. Every one of them will take more of her energy and resistance. They are insidious demons that destroy what strength remains in their bodies. The resistance to infections gets weaker and weaker and eventually they no longer have the strength to fight off the infection and it will take over her body. If they can keep her strong you stand a better chance...but for what end?

I hate to sound down but...I know that pneumonia took my hubby's grandmother because she became weak from fighting it over and over again and finally she couldn't fight it any longer.....

The fact that they are thickening your mom's food is another sign that she is slipping father down. It says that she is having trouble with weight so they are thickening her food to try to get some calories in her to boost her weight some.

I hope that your mom goes softly into the good night. She will be in my prayers and so will you. I don't want her to suffer.

 
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Re: End Stage Concerns....

Sorry to hear about your Mom. It is difficult to wach them go so slowly. IBake is right, as long as she is getting fluids and any nurishment at all she can live for a long while. The pneumonia or other infection makes her weaker and may be what takes her. It takes so much out of them to fight off an infection that they do tend to slip with each episode. If they are thickening her liquid nurishment it might be time for a reeveluation by Hospice.

From here she may forget how to swallow and not be able to eat at all. By then the body has stopped processing the food that she is getting. Then it is just a matter of time...... sometimes longer than we would expect. As long as she is getting hydration it could take weeks.

I am truly sorry you are having to go through this. I too hope your Mom goes softly. I will keep you both in my thoughts and prayers....

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Re: End Stage Concerns....

Teressa

I remember your earlier posting and then you disappeared. I'm sorry for what you are going through -- this is exactly the walk we just finished.

In our case, Mom fell due to de-hydration and weaknesses from a sedative given at night. She was put into a hospital for the dehydration but then we gave them her Living Will/Medical Directive. It simply stated:
Should I become incompetent or have a medical condition that is incurable and untreatable, nothing is to be done to prolong my life or delay my death.
From that point on, the answer was very difficult for my sister and I.

She was IV'd in the hospital. Hospice assessor told us to go visit their hospice center and we did. But they wanted money up-front for 30 days and we didn't have it to give them, so they wouldn't take my mother. Hospice NJ then called me and said that the hospital social worker told them that there was money there but that we refused to release it to anyone. They'd be willing to take my mother but they needed assurance that we would pay and I said we don't have any means to pay! -- they refused to take her.

We then found that they actually wrote up and enforced DISCHARGE paperwork and took her off of the IV but also called me saying they wouldn't release my mother to return home, which was fine because we weren't asking for her to be returned home, we could see how bad she was. They put her in a nursing home and she was there just about two weeks. My sister went everyday. We could see they made attempts to feed her.

We knew that for about a week before she went in, she was fighting my sister on eating. She wouldn't or couldn't swallow and she would throw her food off the table. She wouldn't drink her Ensure either and this was the last thing that they do. The hospice worker said that it does happen that their brain going into such a slow pace, almost like hiberation. As a result they don't feel hunger so they don't want to eat. Then they don't or are unable to swallow.

My mother laid there with her hands curled sometimes. She wouldn't or couldn't open her eyes and all she truly did for the last 2 weeks or more was sleep through out the entire day but there were times when she'd fight it and become very noisy which would disturb the roommate in the room, so then they would sedate her. So we weren't sure if she slept all the time because of the dementia's terrible end or was it the times they did sedate her. We just know we haven't seen our mother or any semblance or her for quite a long time.

I will not gloss over this. Her inability to eat and the resulting deterioration of her was not pleasant to watch. I saw her twice in the entire time she was in the NH. I just couldn't go and see her anymore. At far as my heart was concerned, my mother had died about 5 years ago. She has not been able to talk to us or say her wants or needs for 2-3 years.

It was heartbreaking but I know with her death in the early hours on Sunday, it was a release from the bondage of this illness. she is happy and at peace.

if you have POA, you may have to choose to make this hard decision when its clear that she can no longer process the food to retain its nutrients.

I feel for you. We've just been through it these last 3 weeks, we were lucky that we had the Living Will/Medical Directive

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Re: End Stage Concerns....

What she is going through right now happened to my Mom in the days before her death. She suddenly slept most of the time, she got some kind of infection that didn't respond to antibiotics, she lost a lot of weight. She had been on thickened liquids and pureed food for months. She died of the infection, possibly penumonia.

This could be the end for your MIL. If she is responsive, tell her you love her and it is OK for her to 'go.' and your husband should do the same. Sometimes they just hang on to avoid hurting us. Tell her she is going home and will be happy and healthy again.

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