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Old 05-14-2010, 12:47 AM   #1
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2mm Brain Aneurysm Causing Symptoms?

Hi everybody!

I'm 22, female. I'm not sure if your symptoms are exactly the same or not, but I've been suffering from something similar for two weeks now.

I'm generally very coordinated and have good balance, but following a chiropractic manipulation of my neck on Tuesday 4/27/10, I have been having puzzling symptoms. I've been to this chiropractor sporadically since October 2008, and she's always used tools to gently adjust my spine, but never before has she done a manipulation like this: she had an assistant pull on my legs, while she pulled on my neck and twisted it hard and fast to one side.

Later that night, I was nauseous. And that night while trying to get comfortable and fall asleep I whipped my neck violently up and down against my pillow (a sort of whiplash effect). I woke up feeling fine the next morning, Wednesday 4/28, but later that day I noticed my vision was slightly blurry or distorted.

Sometime soon after the 28th, dizziness started. Not vertigo, not spinning, but a feeling of imbalance, not being able to walk well (like I didn't know how far the ground was when putting down my foot), and the sensation that somethings were distorted in my vision, sort of curved, and moving strangely or more than they should be.

After a while pressure began building behind my right eye, and from time to time I have muscle tension on my right neck (the same side as the eye pain and pressure), my head hurts especially when I lay down and there is pressure on it from the pillow/bed. Sometimes I'm nauseous and I vomited a few times last week. I feel like I have trouble holding up my head, like it's heavier on the right side. My dizziness is worse when I'm standing and walking, but the dizziness can be triggered by rolling over in bed, getting out of bed, and looking up by tilting my head back. Again, it's not spinning like vertigo, but just unsteadiness like things are moving more than they should.

It's been over 2 weeks now and the symptoms may have fluctuated a bit from day to day, but they are constant and haven't gotten any better that I can tell.

I've been to the Emergency room twice, neither time they found anything wrong. I've also been to my general practitioner who send me to the second emergency room trip to have an MRI of my neck and head done because she feared that an artery in my neck had been torn because of the chiropractic adjustment and that I might be bleeding into my brain, and might have a stroke.

I have seen a neurologist who basically laughed in my face and said you haven't had a stroke yet, nothing's wrong with you neurologically. I saw a spine doctor who said my spine had no problems, it wasn't misaligned, and they could tell why I might be dizzy all the time.

I finally got the results of the MRI of my head and and I don't have a torn artery in my neck, and everything's normal EXCEPT for a "2mm right supraclinoid Internal Carotid Artery aneurysm, projecting inferiorly" which I've figured out from searching online is a brain aneurysm behind my right eye near the optical nerve. It's unruptured, and small so the likelihood of it rupturing anytime soon is small, but I don't know if it might be causing symptoms.

Could this small aneurysm in my brain be causing the eye pain and pressure behind my right eye, visual disturbances, imbalance, disequilibrium, nausea, occasional neck pain, unsteady gait (walking), and fatigue (I'm so tired all the time, and this is not normal for me)?

Do you guys know anyone who's had an unruptured brain aneurysm?

Do you know what might have caused it?

Do you guys think that my chiropractor's manipulation caused the aneurysm to form?

Thank you in an advance for any responses.

 
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Old 05-16-2010, 09:17 AM   #2
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Re: 2mm Brain Aneurysm Causing Symptoms?

lets just say YES and YES. just wondering what actually prompted even thst very initial visit to the chiro to begin with? did that chiro even do just the very basic X ray on you BEFORE even touching that c spine for ANY real adjustments? or did you ever have an MRI done ON that c spine before even seeing him either?

from the heading of this thread i am gathering that you actually did have history of at leat one previous annnie going on? what occured with that as far as treatment, coiling? just where was that previous one actually located within the arterial structures, do you recall? i too have had an annie that was actually luckily still pretty small but right in the bend of the artery in that L cerebellar artery back in 05. thankfully for me it WAS indeed coilable.

honestly? my personal feelings about any chiro adjustments even being done in that very risky c spine level, esp if there has not been any good contrasted MRI done and without actual clearance from any good neurosurgeon is just plain dangerous. i have known people and heard of many many different people on these forums over the years i ahve been here who HAVE suffered very detremental 'events' just from the adjutments doing very bad things to either the spinal cord itself, or even a dissection of the vertebral artery that actually just runs thru that heavily innervated and vascualar area of the spinal and simply within our necks to and from the brain as well.

the mere fact that you DO appear to actually even have yet another, which just IS a much higher risk for anyone with a previous one at all before(trust me here, i AM in this same boat with actually two totally different types of the vascular mals popping up in me), means a trip to your neurosurgeon and NOT a mere neurologist since they simply do NOT have the appropriate level of expertise with these little suckers at all. if you still have the one who did see you for the other since they would simply know YOUR history much better, or finding another to help you with this. this just DOES need a good NS eval and consult only to really know what the levels of risk you are dealing with and him possibly working with your old or any interventional neuroradiologist in order to just obtain ANY of the best possible treatment options for this particular annie and its current location too. any symptoms we can actually just have of ANY annie would directly correlate much more with its real location and in what particular artery it has chosen to pop up in too?

i also have a very bad c spine as well with two surgeries done for a herniated disc at c 6-7 and i also had to have like the WORST surgery in the freaking world that required them to have to remove yet another type of vascular malfrmation that i had been born with but never knew til i had that initial MRI done when my disc actually heriated? it was one of those lovely 'incidental findings"? it was smack in the middle left of the actual cord. that surgery was posterior approach and they had to do a trilevel lami from the c 6 down thru t 1 just to fully access that lesion in my cord. once those boney prominences become removed with any real lami, of course they don;t get put back on and my c spine has continued to simply deteriorate over these past few years since that surgery in 2003. my c spine is one huge mess.

god only really knows just what that extremely new ans what sounds rather violent adjustment did to you here hon. the sy,ptoms you are having could very easily be from ahveing anything impacting theay internal carotid among other possibles. anytime we even press into iour carotids, you can get very dizzy, off balance and it can create heavy nausea too simply becasue you are kind of messing with what is supposed to ALWAYS be a very heavily coordinaed and directed form of pressure within the arteries. even ahving that vagus nerve that also simply runs down from the cranial intothat neck areas too being impacted, impinged or even stimulated can also creat sudden nausea and dizzyness.

while you may NOT have had an actual strokew here,for ANY neurologist to even do what this idiot did to you is really just sick actually. what you just really do NEED the most right now is what i mentioned above, a really good neurosurgeon and a good interventional neuroradiologist to simply give you the very best form of treatment options for YOUR annie and its location too. and do NOT go back to that chiro under ANY circumstances right now. this annie is what NEEDS the most crucial attention adn evaluating by the right people who just know the most about what they mean to the patients and YOUR best bet for taking this out of circulation in whatever means that will take right now.

the interventional neurorad will simply do what he normally does at the beginning,a really good look at that annie with the very best way using the angiogram?? this just gives the IR the very best kind of 3D look at your annie and figure out whether or not it even is coilable too. but these are the people you need to start getting back in touch with here before anything else hon.

i do wish you lots of luck with this, but please, for your best shot here at getting the very best and quickest form of treatment, get yourself to the above mentioned specialists. please let me know what you find out here, K? this just DOES NEED attention much sooner vs later AP. marcia
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Hi everybody!

I'm 22, female. I'm not sure if your symptoms are exactly the same or not, but I've been suffering from something similar for two weeks now.

I'm generally very coordinated and have good balance, but following a chiropractic manipulation of my neck on Tuesday 4/27/10, I have been having puzzling symptoms. I've been to this chiropractor sporadically since October 2008, and she's always used tools to gently adjust my spine, but never before has she done a manipulation like this: she had an assistant pull on my legs, while she pulled on my neck and twisted it hard and fast to one side.

Later that night, I was nauseous. And that night while trying to get comfortable and fall asleep I whipped my neck violently up and down against my pillow (a sort of whiplash effect). I woke up feeling fine the next morning, Wednesday 4/28, but later that day I noticed my vision was slightly blurry or distorted.

Sometime soon after the 28th, dizziness started. Not vertigo, not spinning, but a feeling of imbalance, not being able to walk well (like I didn't know how far the ground was when putting down my foot), and the sensation that somethings were distorted in my vision, sort of curved, and moving strangely or more than they should be.

After a while pressure began building behind my right eye, and from time to time I have muscle tension on my right neck (the same side as the eye pain and pressure), my head hurts especially when I lay down and there is pressure on it from the pillow/bed. Sometimes I'm nauseous and I vomited a few times last week. I feel like I have trouble holding up my head, like it's heavier on the right side. My dizziness is worse when I'm standing and walking, but the dizziness can be triggered by rolling over in bed, getting out of bed, and looking up by tilting my head back. Again, it's not spinning like vertigo, but just unsteadiness like things are moving more than they should.

It's been over 2 weeks now and the symptoms may have fluctuated a bit from day to day, but they are constant and haven't gotten any better that I can tell.

I've been to the Emergency room twice, neither time they found anything wrong. I've also been to my general practitioner who send me to the second emergency room trip to have an MRI of my neck and head done because she feared that an artery in my neck had been torn because of the chiropractic adjustment and that I might be bleeding into my brain, and might have a stroke.

I have seen a neurologist who basically laughed in my face and said you haven't had a stroke yet, nothing's wrong with you neurologically. I saw a spine doctor who said my spine had no problems, it wasn't misaligned, and they could tell why I might be dizzy all the time.

I finally got the results of the MRI of my head and and I don't have a torn artery in my neck, and everything's normal EXCEPT for a "2mm right supraclinoid Internal Carotid Artery aneurysm, projecting inferiorly" which I've figured out from searching online is a brain aneurysm behind my right eye near the optical nerve. It's unruptured, and small so the likelihood of it rupturing anytime soon is small, but I don't know if it might be causing symptoms.

Could this small aneurysm in my brain be causing the eye pain and pressure behind my right eye, visual disturbances, imbalance, disequilibrium, nausea, occasional neck pain, unsteady gait (walking), and fatigue (I'm so tired all the time, and this is not normal for me)?

Do you guys know anyone who's had an unruptured brain aneurysm?

Do you know what might have caused it?

Do you guys think that my chiropractor's manipulation caused the aneurysm to form?

Thank you in an advance for any responses.


Hi there,
I was wondering how you went with all your symptoms with the aneurysm?
I am a 32 healthy female and have been diagnosed with a 2mm aneurysm, like you. I have had the exact same symptoms with the dizzyness.
would love to hear your story since 2008......
Aussiegal33

 
Old 11-12-2010, 08:54 AM   #4
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Re: 2mm Brain Aneurysm Causing Symptoms?

Hi! I'm sorry that you are experiencing dizziness etc. Honestly, I don't know if my 2mm aneurysm caused any of my symptoms - after about 5-6 months of these symptoms they seemed to gradually disappear, except for the occasional occurrence, especially when I'm tired or have been overexerting myself. All the doctors I saw said it was too small and not in the right location to be causing my symptoms, and they didn't even know if the aneurysm was there or not. I had another MRI recently, to follow up on the situation, and see if something can explain my symptoms that didn't originally show up in the scans, but I haven't gotten the results yet. And in about 9 months I've got a follow up scan to check if the aneurysm has grown. My advice right now is to try to relax and keep your mind off of it. Anxiety only makes the symptoms worse...and do what you have to do to get a restful nights sleep. I wasn't sleeping well at the time, which really contributed...I started taking Ambien, and it's helped a lot to get me to sleep quickly, and aside from waking up to go to the bathroom once a night, usually keeps me asleep for a good chunk of time. Lately, I haven't really needed it anymore either -- I haven't taken it in about 2 weeks, and I've been sleeping fine. Just a few days ago, I started feeling imbalanced again, incoordinated - I think it's because I've been working really long hours on the computer, and I've got a bit of a cold at the moment. I hope it'll pass. I'm going to see the doctor this week about my most recent MRI. Hopefully all goes well. Hope this helps.

 
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Re: 2mm Brain Aneurysm Causing Symptoms?

Thank you so much for your update. I do find that my dizziness is alot worse when i am tired and fatigued. I do need to take it easy. Life is far too short and precise to be worrying about the little things. Good luck with your MRI results. Let me know how you go. I am seeing the Neurosurgeon tomorrow, to see what he thinks we do from here.
Thanks again for your info. It helps to know there are others out there, similar to me.

 
Old 07-20-2011, 01:13 PM   #6
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Re: 2mm Brain Aneurysm Causing Symptoms?

I don't think a chiropractic adjustment would cause this. I had a ruptured brain aneurysm back in 1997 and at that time my Dr. (UC-San Francisco) told me that 2-5 percent of the American Population were born with aneurysms. Only a small fraction of those ever rupture or burst. I was worried that behavior may have caused mine too. Smoking, Stress. He said NO WAY we are born with them.

 
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:36 AM   #7
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Re: 2mm Brain Aneurysm Causing Symptoms?

hey, i am new to this but i have a 2mm on the left side and i had all the symptoms as you did i had neck surgery april 27 of 2011 on c5 6 n 7 i am off balance all the time the back of my head hurts all the time have the dr done anything for you yet please any thing to help i would love to know if i can help you with anything i will i have had stroke also and mine is not bleeding yet is yours i have dr appt with neurosurgeon march 20 dont have clue what will go on if they will do surgery or not

 
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