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Old 08-27-2009, 07:20 PM   #1
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Anybody else freaked out.....

......about weather or not to get their kid an H1N1 shot? "Fastracking" a vaccine just scares the daylights out of me. These thinks usually take years of trial and error. THousands of people in a clinical trial, normally. Ugh. Blech.

I don't know what to believe with the media creating mass hysteria, I'm starting to buy into the hype! I'm just so nervous for it all. ANyone else? My son is two and generally healthy, by the way. I've managed to get away without a flu shot for him this far, but the media has me freaking out now, so I don't know what to do.

 
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Re: Anybody else freaked out.....

I don't pay any attention to this. This may be history repeating itself again when vaccines were administered several decades ago without testing. Number one, vaccines are chemically laden, so reading the ingredients and their effects on the bodies should freak you out more than the virus. Two, it is important to understand that the pharmaceutical companies have money and they literally own the media, therefore, whatever message or scare they want out, goes out.

If you think about it, everything centers around vaccines or medicine, but no one talks about building up our immune system naturally which is the key to health. If you have a strong immune system, you can come in contact with any virus or bad bacteria and your body will be strong enough to fight it off. Everyone FAILS to think about ot discuss this.

I can tell you I began practicing prevention and the use of alternative medicine (vitamins, minerals, herbs, and nutrition) when I was pregnant with my daughter. She is currently 3 years old and has LITERALLY NEVER BEEN SICK IN HER LIFE. That means no colds, no runny noses, no coughing, nothing. I practice prevention with her and myself. I keep her immune system strong with liquid vitamin C for children, Herbs for Kids liquid echinacea, daily vitamins, plenty of sunshine and if others are sick around us I will put some drops of grapefruit seed extract in her juice. I also give her baths using essential oils such as lavendar, bergamot (citrus), eucalyptus, etc. These oils and the grapefruit seed extract are NATURALLY antibacterial, antiviral, and antifungal.

We do not get any flu shots and I stopped vaccinating my daughter are 12 months of age when I became more wise. She plays her with constantly sick toddler friends and I don't keep my daughter away from them when they are sick, and she still never gets sick. It is about BUILDING THE IMMUNE SYSTEM UP NATURALLY AND MAKING IN STRONG.
I am glad you have an interest and you are concerned. Don't let anyone bully you into vaccinations. Last time I checked, this is still a free country and no one can force you to vaccinate. If you child goes to school, there are exemptions, but they often mislead or bully people into thinking you can't go to school unless you are vaccinated and that is simply untrue.

 
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Re: Anybody else freaked out.....

I have a different opinion, that is not about freaking out, or dismissing the huge benefit vaccines provide millions of people around the world.

You can certainly choose any position on this subject, and it can be right for you...as long as you are willing to deal with the possible outcomes your choice presents you.

I personally believe in immunizing my children, and myself against known illnesses, such as measles, mumps, rubella, polio, chicken pox, etc. If you have concerns about the vaccine for H1N1, then don't get one. If you want to wait and see, then wait and see...

In the past, I have never gotten the flu shot, because I had never gotten the flu. This February, my son, my husband and myself got the flu at the same time. My son got over his quickly, my hubby did too, but I became very sick, and ended up with pneumonia. This year, we will all get the flu shot to avoid what happened this year. It doesn't seem like rocket science to me.

Of course, we practice a good healthy lifestyle, good nutrition, hydration, outdoor activity, clean hands, and a positive attitude too...that goes without saying.

I would recommend you make your own choice, using common sense, and do not let this decision freak you out. I wish you the best...

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Old 08-28-2009, 11:11 AM   #4
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Re: Anybody else freaked out.....

Yeah, I hear both of you. I generally go more with the Alexa school of thought, however I do feel some of the shots are useful. I *did* get my son some of the available shots, starting at 4 months and then doing one per month thereafter. That has been good.

But that's neither here nor there concerning my current pickle. For every 50 legitimate websites touting the dangers of the new vaccine, there are 50 more seemingly legit websites speaking to the pros. I have never, ever had a flu shot and I never, ever get sick. I work with the public (hairdresser) that regularly comes in sick and contagious. Heck, my COWORKERS come in sick all the time!! I just don't seem to get it. According to my mom, it's because I was sick all the time as a kid. I tend to believe this. Now that I am a mom, though, I worry about my son. He has not been sick all the time. His system has not really been challenged yet. He does not go to daycare or preschool. He has gotten the highest quality probiotics and fish oil since he was a newborn and we try to do good nutrition for him, but he is a lousy eater. So, I'm just feeding off the media hype, I guess. I know in my heart natural immunity tends to stick forever, but I just don't want to endanger my son. Blah, blah, blah. Sorry for the rant, I should just kill my TV, I think!

 
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Re: Anybody else freaked out.....

Many people believe that once they get a flu shot they are now protected which is simply not the case. The drug manufacturers state that is not true in their package insert which most people do not read and they often admit they don't know how long immunity lasts. Sometimes by getting a vaccine, you can then get sick too. I think it is best to keep the toxins/chemicals/metals and DNA from other humans and animals out of the body because those foreign contaminants jeopardize the immune system. Flu shot do not make any sense to me at all. The same goes with the latest and greatest vaccine. Best of luck in your decison!

 
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Re: Anybody else freaked out.....

I'm all for the "proven" vaccinations (measles, rubella, chicken pox, etc....) because they do seem to work. Otherwise, wouldn't we be seeing more cases of those diseases?

As far as the flu shot goes, we've never done those because there's no guarantee that it's even the right shot for the particular strain of flu going around that season. And nobody in our family has ever gotten the flu either.

So, since so far the H1N1 virus seems to be just another version of the flu, I'm just not sure it's really worth it to get a vaccine that hasn't really been tested, you know?

I am very interested in other Mom's opinions on the subject too!

 
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Re: Anybody else freaked out.....

I agree. Indeed you don't see polio in the western world because it's been vaccinated out of commission. I am for about 3/4ths of the "proven" shots as well.

Like I said, I think it's the stupid media getting under my skin. "90,000 COULD DIE THIS WINTER!!!!!!" What an irresponsible headline! It could have just as easily said 90,000 might NOT die this winter. A freaking nuclear bomb COULD take out 200,000 tomorrow. I COULD get flattened by a rogue bus on the way to the mailbox. The media is just acting like lunatics over this H1N1 thing and I'm starting to run out of immunity to it. There we go. A media vaccination. I'd be first in line for that one.

 
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Re: Anybody else freaked out.....

I feel the same way you do. I have decided that i will not give my kids this new H1N1 vaccine that as you said has not been tested over a long period of time. We as parents have a decision to make and hope and pray that our choices work for us. I myself do a lot of research on the H1N1 and am very nervous for my kids and my entire family. This
is a new virus that even the world health organization does not know much about. Because it is fairly new, they don't even know how the second wave will affect the population. I, myself am not sure which frightens me more the vaccine, or the actual virus. For now, i believe all we can do, is do what is recommended by the WHO, and pray that there will be no second wave and that this virus was short lived. As for the media, is it too much hype? absolutely! but i must say at least we stay informed, because of them as to what is happenning within our community, and they do help to raise awareness. Good luck to all of us,and may we have a flu free year.

 
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Re: Anybody else freaked out.....

You know how they say that 36,000 die a year from the flu? What they don't tell you that the majority of those folks are elderly and actually die from pneumonia which they somehow factor as the flu! They need a large number to scare people into getting in line for a flu shot. Many of those who die are very sick folks with many other health ailments going on, some small children and elderly.

Again, it always comes to back addressing the health of your immune system naturally which no one talks about. If you don't naturally build your immune system, you will get sick.

 
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Re: Anybody else freaked out.....

Just a quick comment about the bullying issue. I had decided that I didn't want my children vaccinated with the then brand new chicken pox vaccine for several reasons, but the pediatrician told me that if everybody had that philosophy that we would never have been able to get rid of polio, TB, etc. (Not that those are completely gone.) Anyway, it made me feel guilty and I gave in. As it turned out both my kids did get chicken pox anyway, but a very light case of about 22 pox each.

What I am having a difficult time with is the fact that they are using an adjuvant with this vaccine. They banned those about 30 years ago. Why is it all of a sudden O.K. to use one now??? It's been linked to a host of auto-immune diseases.

I'm with you all though.........I'm torn. Possible guilt haunts either choice.

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Old 08-31-2009, 07:22 PM   #11
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Ok, Stonepile, what is an adjuvant? This I am not familiar with. I thought I had researched the vaccine topic to death, but this I don't know. I am 34 and have autoimmune disease of the thyroid, so maybe I have some of this in me? Do tell.

 
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I looked it up really quick, so nothing concrete, but what I found was disturbing. Upon a quick glance, it looks like adjuvants are regularly used in vaccines, just some are not approved for use in the USA. The FDA has not approved the adjuvnat being used in the H1N1 vaccine. It is used overseas regularly. The US gov't has contracts with 5 major drug companies and is testing the two with the approved adjuvants in it. However, it looks like the shots that will be mass marketed will be the ones with the un-approved adjuvant in it. Then, having tested the "safe" ones, they will market them all under the same umbrella.

I just looked it up quick, so again, nothing concrete, but this really chaps my a$$. I will ask around to my doctor friends and report back. I was 75% decided not to get the shot for my son and now I'm almost at 100%.

 
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Re: Anybody else freaked out.....

Kittyroo,
I also have an autoimmune disease associated with the thyroid. Infact, I have both Graves and Hashimotos antibodies and I am getting results back tomorrow of other possible suspected autoimmune dieseases. The less junk we inject into our bodie (everything little but makes a difference) the more sick we can become. Besides maybe having a genetic predisposition to developing this, often a trigger is chemicals and toxins.

 
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Re: Anybody else freaked out.....

Ooops! Maybe I should have explained the use of an adjuvant in my original posting. So sorry to cause even more anxiety......and I'm not going to do this topic complete justice as I must leave for work, but I don't want to leave everyone hanging here.

An adjuvant is basically something that causes a stronger immune response than the antigen (part of the virus that is used that won't cause the flu, but is part of the flu) used in the vaccine doesn't trigger enough response by itself and so they add something else (the adjuvant) that is larger and causes a much stronger response to hopefully result in immunity. [I hope that is clear. I'm thinking off the seat of my pants here.

Anyway, adjuvants haven't been used in the US since the 1960s (at least that is what I have read) due to all of the side effects like I previously mentioned. (i.e. auto-immune disease in children etc.)

I'm not an expert on this. I have just read some on it. There is plenty out there if you want to google it. I have to go.........but if there are more questions I will try to get to them sometime this evening. Once again I apologize. If anyone else out there has information of this, please feel free to share because I know that this is kind of scary stuff.

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Old 09-02-2009, 01:10 PM   #15
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I am somewhat torn over this issue as well. Is there not going to be a different flu shot available or just the H1N1? I read an article that said between 30,000 and 70,000 will die from it, but then about 45,000 people died from the flu last year... so isn't that just about the same numbers and people are freaking out about nothing? I do believe that the media has hyped this up so much that there are alot of confused people and conflicting stories.

I do not want to put something in my son's body that has not been totally researched and developed. That is not a risk I am willing to take, but as an employee at a health care facility (working right next to the lab!!) I am afraid my employer will require me to get the shot, as they have in the past. I have already been vaccinated for Hep B, flu shots, been tested for TB, etc.... I can deal with all of this, but to put my son in some kind of danger to prevent him from something that may not do hardly any harm... I just don't know!

I am like you guys, I don't want to make the wrong decision... this is my son's future potentially.

 
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