RobynRose
03-21-2003, 11:26 PM
Hi Everyone. I'm new here and have been reading all of your informative posts with interest. I'm having an awful time and thought I'd send out an SOS in case anyone can offer me insight, or relate to my case. Trying to quickly summarize, I have had spine problems for the past 9 years. I'm 39 now... but have been through the mill with what is deemed an "unstable" - spine with a disc herniation and slip of L5 over S1 of 6 mm.
In any case, 1.5 years ago, I underwent a myelogram in preparation for a spinal fusion surgery.
This resulted in a headache from hell - that left me dizzy and in excruciating pain. It was assumed I had a spinal leak - but I failed to respond to normal treatment for this (bloodpatch)... and was left to figure it out for myself. I also had jaw and neck issues through the year - but the headache was dominant and severe. I've been taking Neurontin for over a year... never had the spine fusion - and have expienced horrible facial neuralgias - pressure and upperbody pain like I've never known (all in addition to my spine pain).
To make a long story short... this past September I woke one day with a horribly painful jaw. I should mention that my jaw always made clunking noise - but never casued me pain. Prior to the myelo, I had a headache once a month -but nothing an advil and sleep wouldn't conquer. This year is a whole other story.
Anyway, getting back to this past fall, following the jaw pain, I had pretty severe pain in my neck (opposite side - Left). Next came the most horriying pain in my scapular region. I ran to pt...and they jumped on a shoulder that pops and cracks...but this has been this way for years without pain. Next we noticed that I had a "buldge" above my right collarbone, and I was sent to an ent. He thought the buldge was a swollen lymph node...and given that I have a history of breast cancer (yes had this at 37) - was immediately sent for MRI of the node. The node was fine, and drs concluded this may be muscle inflammation.
At this point, I still have pretty horrific neck pain, and the jaw won't quit. It feels as though it is going way off "track" whenever I attempt to open my mouth. There is never a time I can open without "firecrackers" going off. If you look at me...it's reallly bizzare becaue the left tmj deviates way over to the left - while the right is totally "frozen" still. The same visual applies to my neck. If I make an "eeeee" sound - you can see the right neck move with the sound...as the left is solid still!!!
Does this mean anything to any of you experienced TMJ people. I have 24/7 pain in the jaw and feel the darn thing move out of alignment constantly. I've resorted to "holding" it with my hands -trying to keep it where it belongs.??!
Now - one other important thing - I seem to have a similar syndrome in my lumbar spine. My pain is all about instability in the joint. I feel the lumbar lock - and can sometimes "adjusst" myself to get free of the "lock" - getting amazing relief. This has become much harder to do - as the muscles go into tremendous spasm. I've been classified as having very loose ligaments in most joints, and 2 doctors have suspected that I have "hyepmobiltiiy syndrome" - or
Ehlers Danlos class 3 - benign type. I live in a state of chronic pain from my spine issues... and now this. I've resisited long-acting narcotic meds, as I have 2 young children and also feel I need to somehow address the structural issues...but how. For my spine I have tried so many treatments..inculding proloterapy, radiofrequency ablation, joint blocks, etc. Nothing has proved even remotely helpful other than srenghtening my muscles around the loose ligmaments to the best of my ability.
Where do I begin with the TMJ issues/?? I actually have experimented with the NTI device (made up by my brother-in-law as a favor as I had read about it and he's a dentist). Other than this, I have tried massage - stretching - heat - ice etc. I also take a Flexeril each night --and am on the Neurontin at 1200 mg a day.
I suspect that the myelogram caused some type of truama that set the vulnerable TMJ into action. I am worried because it's been 7 months now - and I'm only getting worse. A recent physical therapist proposed that the myelo irritated my trigreminal nerve... which in turn caused a migraine reaction...leading to the tmj and neck issues. He suggested I try Botox injections into my skull/neck muscles??!! Do any have insight here??
Do I address the neck (triggerpoints) with my physiatrist...or the mouth/jaw with a tmj dentist??
Anyone know how I can locate an expert in the New York area???
Thanks so much for all your insight and support. Chronic pain caused by invisibile ailments are so very difficult to cope with. You all have a ton of courage which I admire and respect!!
Best to all, Robyn
Robynf
In any case, 1.5 years ago, I underwent a myelogram in preparation for a spinal fusion surgery.
This resulted in a headache from hell - that left me dizzy and in excruciating pain. It was assumed I had a spinal leak - but I failed to respond to normal treatment for this (bloodpatch)... and was left to figure it out for myself. I also had jaw and neck issues through the year - but the headache was dominant and severe. I've been taking Neurontin for over a year... never had the spine fusion - and have expienced horrible facial neuralgias - pressure and upperbody pain like I've never known (all in addition to my spine pain).
To make a long story short... this past September I woke one day with a horribly painful jaw. I should mention that my jaw always made clunking noise - but never casued me pain. Prior to the myelo, I had a headache once a month -but nothing an advil and sleep wouldn't conquer. This year is a whole other story.
Anyway, getting back to this past fall, following the jaw pain, I had pretty severe pain in my neck (opposite side - Left). Next came the most horriying pain in my scapular region. I ran to pt...and they jumped on a shoulder that pops and cracks...but this has been this way for years without pain. Next we noticed that I had a "buldge" above my right collarbone, and I was sent to an ent. He thought the buldge was a swollen lymph node...and given that I have a history of breast cancer (yes had this at 37) - was immediately sent for MRI of the node. The node was fine, and drs concluded this may be muscle inflammation.
At this point, I still have pretty horrific neck pain, and the jaw won't quit. It feels as though it is going way off "track" whenever I attempt to open my mouth. There is never a time I can open without "firecrackers" going off. If you look at me...it's reallly bizzare becaue the left tmj deviates way over to the left - while the right is totally "frozen" still. The same visual applies to my neck. If I make an "eeeee" sound - you can see the right neck move with the sound...as the left is solid still!!!
Does this mean anything to any of you experienced TMJ people. I have 24/7 pain in the jaw and feel the darn thing move out of alignment constantly. I've resorted to "holding" it with my hands -trying to keep it where it belongs.??!
Now - one other important thing - I seem to have a similar syndrome in my lumbar spine. My pain is all about instability in the joint. I feel the lumbar lock - and can sometimes "adjusst" myself to get free of the "lock" - getting amazing relief. This has become much harder to do - as the muscles go into tremendous spasm. I've been classified as having very loose ligaments in most joints, and 2 doctors have suspected that I have "hyepmobiltiiy syndrome" - or
Ehlers Danlos class 3 - benign type. I live in a state of chronic pain from my spine issues... and now this. I've resisited long-acting narcotic meds, as I have 2 young children and also feel I need to somehow address the structural issues...but how. For my spine I have tried so many treatments..inculding proloterapy, radiofrequency ablation, joint blocks, etc. Nothing has proved even remotely helpful other than srenghtening my muscles around the loose ligmaments to the best of my ability.
Where do I begin with the TMJ issues/?? I actually have experimented with the NTI device (made up by my brother-in-law as a favor as I had read about it and he's a dentist). Other than this, I have tried massage - stretching - heat - ice etc. I also take a Flexeril each night --and am on the Neurontin at 1200 mg a day.
I suspect that the myelogram caused some type of truama that set the vulnerable TMJ into action. I am worried because it's been 7 months now - and I'm only getting worse. A recent physical therapist proposed that the myelo irritated my trigreminal nerve... which in turn caused a migraine reaction...leading to the tmj and neck issues. He suggested I try Botox injections into my skull/neck muscles??!! Do any have insight here??
Do I address the neck (triggerpoints) with my physiatrist...or the mouth/jaw with a tmj dentist??
Anyone know how I can locate an expert in the New York area???
Thanks so much for all your insight and support. Chronic pain caused by invisibile ailments are so very difficult to cope with. You all have a ton of courage which I admire and respect!!
Best to all, Robyn
Robynf
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Luigi12
03-24-2003, 11:13 AM
Robynf, :D
Just read your post from several days ago. I'm a 20+ year vereran TMJer with multiple surgeries and even more problems and pain. I'm pretty familiar with most TMJ symptoms. You seems to have some of the classic ones, especially the "clunking". I got the feeling that you might feel symptomatically like your jaw is almost dislocated...or at least not functioning smoothly. It might be a good idea to have your regular dentist do some panorex x-rays just to have a look..make sure there is no deterioration of the bones or other jaw structures. Or if there is inflammation around the joint. If so, let him guide you, if possible, to a respected specialist. Also, are you able to eat a regular diet? Does chewing create problems? Are you able to open your mouth as far as usual? These are some classic symptoms of TMJ that I don't see in your post.
Good luck.
Donna (Luigi12)
[This message has been edited by Luigi12 (edited 03-24-2003).]
Just read your post from several days ago. I'm a 20+ year vereran TMJer with multiple surgeries and even more problems and pain. I'm pretty familiar with most TMJ symptoms. You seems to have some of the classic ones, especially the "clunking". I got the feeling that you might feel symptomatically like your jaw is almost dislocated...or at least not functioning smoothly. It might be a good idea to have your regular dentist do some panorex x-rays just to have a look..make sure there is no deterioration of the bones or other jaw structures. Or if there is inflammation around the joint. If so, let him guide you, if possible, to a respected specialist. Also, are you able to eat a regular diet? Does chewing create problems? Are you able to open your mouth as far as usual? These are some classic symptoms of TMJ that I don't see in your post.
Good luck.
Donna (Luigi12)
[This message has been edited by Luigi12 (edited 03-24-2003).]
RobynRose
03-24-2003, 11:34 PM
Hi Donna,
Thanks for your reply. I do appreciate!! In answer to your question, I can open my mouth...but there is pain- and although it can open wide, I feel a distinct senstion of the joint going off track. Maybe it's the disc that is derailed?? Not sure - but it makes the clunking and pulls into my neck and shoulderblade. It's been consistently like this for several weeks now.
I am avoiding most foods that require chewing because this only aggrivates the stiuation. Another strange thing is that I am feeling an "urge" to make funny faces a lot - like the "ooooo" sound - in an effort to try to relieve the pulling pressure in the joint. With this, I am banging my wisdom teeth into my cheek tissue - and this is now painful and inflamed. Does that make any sense to you? I can feel the teeth cutting into the tissue - ouch. I do plan to see a tmj dentists..hoping I get some direction. I think I'm not a classic case because it seems my joint is actually hypermobile....moving too much (according to my pt). I have similar problems in my lumbar spine and shoulder. It's a loose ligaments situation - and causes a lot of instability and functional problems and pain!! Hope you are doing well... Are you able to manage your tmj ok?? I sure hope so. Let me know what you think of my quirky symptoms... No fun.
Best to you, Robyn
Thanks for your reply. I do appreciate!! In answer to your question, I can open my mouth...but there is pain- and although it can open wide, I feel a distinct senstion of the joint going off track. Maybe it's the disc that is derailed?? Not sure - but it makes the clunking and pulls into my neck and shoulderblade. It's been consistently like this for several weeks now.
I am avoiding most foods that require chewing because this only aggrivates the stiuation. Another strange thing is that I am feeling an "urge" to make funny faces a lot - like the "ooooo" sound - in an effort to try to relieve the pulling pressure in the joint. With this, I am banging my wisdom teeth into my cheek tissue - and this is now painful and inflamed. Does that make any sense to you? I can feel the teeth cutting into the tissue - ouch. I do plan to see a tmj dentists..hoping I get some direction. I think I'm not a classic case because it seems my joint is actually hypermobile....moving too much (according to my pt). I have similar problems in my lumbar spine and shoulder. It's a loose ligaments situation - and causes a lot of instability and functional problems and pain!! Hope you are doing well... Are you able to manage your tmj ok?? I sure hope so. Let me know what you think of my quirky symptoms... No fun.
Best to you, Robyn