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MarkCE
06-12-2003, 01:22 AM
Hello everyone,

I'm 22 years old and I have been suffering from ear symptoms for about a year and a half now. I have extremely intrusive and volatile tinnitus and severe hyperacusis (sound sensitivity) and I'm unable to leave the house due to these symptoms and getting to the doc is a hefty chore. Hygeine is extremely difficult for me (bathing, the sound of water in the tub is often times too loud for me, and brushing my teeth is tough to endure). I can't even talk to my friends because their voices are too loud for me, though I have a few that drop by time to time just to see me, it's quite sad. - Just to elaborate a little on my symptoms.. my tinnitus is reactive, so that when I encounter sounds too loud for me to handle the tinnitus increases, and if that sound is loud enough, it can sometimes permanently worsen my tinnitus. Couple this with the hyperacusis and I hope you can understand the tightrope I walk when venturing beyond my home.

In my quest to find out what was causing these problems I noticed one day that my jaw was feeling very tight after eating sometimes. Then it progressed to the point that eating was exacerbating my tinnitus dramatically, so I thought maybe I had some sort of muscle imbalance in my jaw. Then the problem progressed even more and my jaw started making "thud" noises when I moved it to the side and such (opposed to regular clicks, which I've always had since I can remember).

After reading up some I thought I might have TMJ, so I finally made it to a TMJ doctor who was very sympathetic to my case, but due to my ear symptoms he isn't able to treat me to his full potential (eg I can't make the drive to his main office 4 hours from where I live and can't do an MRI because of the sound etc). Nonetheless, he took a still side shot xray of my jaw joint and asked me if I ever had trauma to my jaw joint or had arthritis, to which I replied no to both.

He made me 2 splints, 1 soft and 1 hard. The hard one was too thick so I never wore it, and after about 2 weeks the soft one had begun to exacerbate my symptoms, never offering any real relief but here is where things got interesting..

Somehow, wearing that splint exacerbated a problem of occlusion in my mouth. I have wisdom teeth coming in and the one on the top right side of my mouth is impacted and it pushes down on my top right molar--so it protrudes down farther than the rest of my teeth. My top right molar contacts with my bottom teeth before any other teeth do, so it was my hypothesis that my right jaw (the problematic one) was taking all of that pressure, causing the initial trauma, and the splint only worsened this by forcing my jaw open wider and keeping the same malocclusion intact.

At this point, my jaw is in pretty tough shape, its inflammed alot and my tinnitus is so volatile it drives me crazy. Luckily I don't have much pain but I am in agony nonetheless. It's like my bite changes day to day, and even during the day, I swear my bite never feels the same from one day to the next. It feels like my whole jaw/neck/back area is out of alignment. When I walk and my head is held down its like I can feel my jaw moving with every step, even if my teeth are held together, its extremely wierd. Also, some nights I'll be woken up by a loud pop, and it seems its my jaw, because when I move it after that it feels like there's gravel in the joint, so I assume its the jaw bone breaking off or something.

Enough of the background_ I'm probably going to try and see the TMJ doc tomorrow and at least get a panoramic xray to help in diagnosis and see if there's some way we can maybe grind the tooth down in the back of my mouth which I think is greatly adding to this predicament, but I don't know how possible that is with such a limited opening and I would most definitely have to be put under anesthesia so I could endure the sound from the grinding.

I just don't know what to do, I have a wonderful doctor that wants to offer me all the proper care in the world but I am unable to recieve it due to my ear symptoms. If I was just able to deal with the inflammation some I think it would help the tinnitus, but NSAIDs are contraindicated for tinnitus and they do indeed make me worse, so I'm at a loss there as well. I guess I'm asking for any ideas, suggestions, or just a reply. Thank you for letting me vent.

I hope everyone has a good day tomorrow,
Mark

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CherylLynn24
06-12-2003, 01:45 AM
Mark,

Hi, and Welcome, :wave:

I'm sorry that I don't have answers for you, but you've come to the right place. Everyone here is so informative and supportive.

It definitely sounds like you have problems with your bite. Did the TMJ specialist diagnosis you with TMJ? Do you have any of the other symptoms of TMJ? My son has problems with tinnitus and noise sensitivity, but not to your degree. As a teenager, he can't handle music, movie theaters, well, you get the picture.

A panoramic sounds like it's a start. See what's going on with the teeth. Now, an MRI, I'm sure that you know that they give you earphones to wear, what if you coupled those with earplugs? If you could somehow manage with that, it's a pretty good way of finding out exactly what's going on with the joints.

It does sound as if you're clenching or grinding pretty hard, though. The last specialist that my Son had made him bite down as hard as he could on this compressed cotton, and his tinnitus immediately got worse. Apparently, from the research that I've done, spastic muscles will sometimes cause tinnitus, therefore splint therapy should help you some. There's someone on this board, Cymy Sue, I believe she described her tinnitus as 'jet engines roaring', and hers tamed down through splint therapy. (Cymy Sue, please correct me if I'm wrong) Maybe read some old posts. I'm sorry that I can't help you any further. Let me know how your appt. goes tomorrow.
Cheryl

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MarkCE
06-12-2003, 02:03 AM
Hi Cheryl and thank you for taking the time to reply.

I'm sorry to hear of your son's ear and jaw symptoms and wish him luck in getting relief.

My tinnitus is chirping, hissing, tonal, machine sounds, and the most troubling sound is like a spastic tea kettle that has an on/off switch that gets pressed about 100 times a minute. I hear these sounds 24/7, ie nothing covers them completely.

They allow me to wear ear plugs/muffs during a panoramic xray (i tried to have one before but chickened out) and it was too loud. Although his xray machine is a particularly loud one, he assures me that is pales in comparison to an MRI, and I just can't risk gambling with that.

Yes I am a chronic clencher, though I don't grind any if at all that I am aware of, and when I do clench it exacerbates my tinnitus. That coupled with the gravel noises in my jaw, the inflammation, and the trauma spotted in the right jaw led to the diagnosis of TMJD.

I hope you have a good day tomorrow Cheryl, and if I can make it up to the doctor I'll report back anything we find out.

best,
Mark

Scharain
06-12-2003, 02:10 AM
You are a long way ahead of me as far as treatment and diagnosis, but I appreciate the things you are experiencing. I too am finding it difficult to even get out of the house and am experiencing a host of symptoms. Please post later and share what you've found out. I'm staggered at the number of people who live with this kind of chronic pain and am eager to learn what I can to do to prevent it in myself and others.

CherylLynn24
06-12-2003, 02:26 AM
Hey Mark,

Have you tried any muscle relaxants such as Flexeril? It may reduce the muscle spasms, possibly helping out your tinnitus some. From what I understand concerning tinnitus, the key seems to be relaxing the muscles...
Have a good day tomorrow, and keep us informed.
Cheryl

MarkCE
06-12-2003, 04:31 AM
I've never taken flexeril but I have prescriptions for robaxin and skelaxin though I rarely take them because they don't seem to help much if at all, but I believe these are fairly mild relaxants, so perhaps I'll inquire about flexeril.

I take xanax regularly to help me cope with this all and it helps relax my muslces some and it lowers my tinnitus but it's short-lived.

I know this back molar is contributing lots to my malocclusion I just don't know if getting it worked on would severely impact my condition, but at the same time I don't know how effective other treatments would be while that degree of malocclusion is present. Hopefully I can ask my doctor tomorrow or Friday.

hbep
06-12-2003, 05:30 AM
Hello there Mark,

You have my every sympathy. I have been diagnosed as having TMJD with severe ear symptoms. (Dizziness/tight ears, tinnitus et..) I've had mild tinnitus since I was ten, now thirties, it has got a little louder with this, fluctuates. BUT I do get a sound and (sort of) sensation of vibration in my ears. The first day I woke up with it, it was appauling, v. loud and any other vibrating sounds caused it to vibrate further. I also immediately became sensitive to noise, any noise sounded too loud. Like you I was scared of going out, any sound, talking, talking made it worse.

I immediately took 2mg valium and I think I took another 2 mg twice more during the day. I had heard valium was a muscle relaxant. I continued to take 2mg (v. low dose) of valium over the next four days and the vibration subsided. After that I took it on and off for a few weeks when the symptom came back. It comes and goes now, but never as severe as when I first got it and when it comes on I can (touch wood) now control it by relaxing my muscles, and trying not to panic, without the valium taking the edge off the symptom in the first few weeks I don't think I could have got to this stage. My hyperacusis is also much better and rarely troubles me. I still have ringing tinnitus, but haven't yet undergone much tmjd treatment (only recently diagnosed) who knows, maybe I'll experience some relief from that too.

If you want suggestions I would say it's not necessarily anti inflammatories that you want but a muscle relaxant. If I were you I would try valium - people are very wary of valium as it can be addictive BUT if you are sensible, start with a low dose, (2mg) take it for a while, cautiously, and work towards needing it less, and only taking it as and when, then I do not think there should be a problem. There are many people who take a v. low dose of valium for years - menieres sufferers being one example, tinnitus sufferers being another. Your symptoms are violent, you need to try and find some relief now. It sounds like you are currently in a cycle of immense noise induced distress which leads to further muscular spasm and then further noise. I don't think you will be able to stop all of the noises you are experiencing with drugs - but my hunch is if you can get some of the muscular spasm under control you will experience relief in some areas. For long term relief you should definitely continue with the dentist, other people more experienced on the board in terms of splint/orthodontics etc.. can probably advise you better on this aspect. The good news is that your tinnitus and hyperacusis sound like they are definitely jaw related, which means there is great hope for relieving a lot or maybe all of your noise symptoms.

As Cheryl said, Cymy Sue has experienced major relief from her tinnitus (and, I believe, hyperacusis) with splint therapy, at the point she received splint therapy her problems were all muscular/not jaw joint related, which indicates this is a muscular problem. My dentist told me her brother developed tmjd related tinnitus and got rid of it through splint therapy. There is someone called Carol_In _California, who is also an ear sufferer. She did not get rid of her roaring tinnitus entirely, but halved its intensity by taking neurontin, an anti seizure medication. You could also look in to this. A natural remedy you may be aware of is ginko biloba, you need to take it for a number of weeks to see results, it helps some people, not all.

Another thing I would suggest is The Trigger Point Therapy Workbook by Clair Davies, which teaches you how to massage trigger points inside your mouth, on your face, neck etc.. which can also help. I realise you have problems going out - I got mine sent to me in the post. I would also suggest you look in to cranial osteopaths if you can find one, and also if you can get to one. The work is in no way noisey, they are highly trained and experienced when it comes to the anatomy around the tmj area - Michael V has written a number of excellent posts on this subject, you could try putting his name in to a search engine. Their work is also very gentle. I have just started seeing one and am impressed. They can also help greatly with your shoulder/neck problems which are almost certainly contributing to the muscular spasm and the noise. I don't know what your financial position is, but if you were to see, for example, a cranial osteopath, and were to explain your situation, they might be prepared to visit you at home. They do not use any gadgets and can travel light. It's worth a try. Just to highlight the muscular back/neck etc relation to tinnitus, I recently put my back out very badly - in the period when my lower back went in to spasm, presumably sending my shoulders/neck/jaw in to spasm, my tinnitus momentarily went through the roof, deafening. Luckily it subsided again v. quickly - but it was a possible indicator of the muscle/tinnitus relationship.

You can also get something called musicians ear plugs, I'm sure you're aware of this, they are quite expensive (not off the scale though) but they turn the volume down on all sound whilst still allowing you to hear. You have probably also read up on hyperacusis, you do have to be careful about blocking all sound all the time as it can make you more sound sensitive, I think, when it comes to earplugs it's just a matter of being sensible with them.

Please do visit your doctor and discuss the use of drugs, or maybe your dentist will be in a position to prescribe them (I'm afraid I don't know about that.) What you are going through is obviously dreadfully disabling, if it wasn't I wouldn't suggest this.

Apologies that this is sooo long, but from my own, admittedly, less severe experience, I have some idea of what you're going through, how difficult it is, and really wanted to try and help.




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hbep
06-12-2003, 05:57 AM
Just saw that we posted at the same time.

Sorry, some of my post is probably a bit redundant as you are already taking Xanax, although you might try valium instead, see if it proves more effective. I've never used flexeril so don't know about that. Do you take xanax daily?

One more thing. If you can't take anti inflammatories, have you tried using cold packs/ice/ a bag of frozen peas will do, to alleviate the inflammation?

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MarkCE
06-12-2003, 06:24 AM
Thank you so very much Hbep for a wonderful reply.

I take xanax which is the same class of drugs as valium but I have heard that valium is a better muscle relaxant for whatever reasons, so perhaps I could switch over to it. I can actually feel some of the muscles in spasm in my jaw joint, and I can't help but to feel its inflammed some, like it feels raw, and kind of warm, but no real swelling. Is there anything besides medication that could possibly help with inflammation? I'll check with my ENT about the valium though and thank you for the suggestion.

I'll also check with my TMJ doc about the cranio osteopath, I'm not totally sure what they are but I'll research it some.

Last time I saw my TMJ doc he wanted to do some injections in my trigger points but not knowing that much about it I passed on it, but perhaps I should read more into it.

I have a plethora of plugs and muffs and I don't overuse them, rather I just sit at home in a sound environment I can control and keep healthy levels of noise around me so I don't become over sensitive (pink noise playing on the radio 24/7, and various other sound machines etc..) That's why I'm so weary of taking gambles on xray machines and MRIs and such because I don't want to lose the sound tolerance that I've sacrificed so much for to keep.

Once again thank you for all of your excellent ideas and your compassion. I would also like to wish you luck in some of your ear symptoms abating in your treatment to come.

best,
Mark

MarkCE
06-12-2003, 06:31 AM
Sorry just saw your addendum when I had already posted Hbep.

Yes I take xanax regularly and have been doing so for roughly a year now. .25mg twice a day, so a very small dose, but it seems to work well and I don't seem to be building a tolerance to it yet.

I've only used heating pads when my jaw or neck was sore but haven't really used cold packs much. I'll try it out and see if it helps any. Thanks for the tip.

jafc
06-12-2003, 11:21 AM
Mark, please be cautious about trigger point injections. I had some years ago (a steroid I think) and became very dizzy and ill afterwards. As I mentioned in a reply to a different post, if you do try them, you might want to arrange to have someone drive you home afterward in case you have a problem.

Also, regarding one of your teeth making it so that your top and bottom teeth only touch in one place (sorry I'm not up on proper technical terms), I had the same problem and had to have my teeth filed down. It was difficult to get my bite restored and then I took a 4.5 year break from treatment (moved away from my TMJ dentist and got busy with having 2 kids, but this was ignorance &/or bad judgement on my part to leave my condition unresolved), resulting in my bite worsening. Don't mean to be alarming, but please investigate having the "offending tooth" filed so you don't wind up with the situation I'm in.

Judy

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Judy

jafc
06-12-2003, 11:27 AM
Oh, one more thing Mark (again, sorry if I sound like an alarmist -- I just don't want you to have any additonal suffering!), my partially collapsed lower jaw (due at least in part to my messed up bite (again sorry for non-technical terminology)) has created a situation where there isn't enough room in the floor of my mouth for my tongue to rest and this may have led to nasal polyps and sleep apnea (which can be very serious). I'm not diagnosed yet, but have appts. later this month to start working on these other lovely problems :)

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Judy

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MarkCE
06-12-2003, 11:38 AM
Hi Judy,

Appreciate your concerns and sorry you had to go through that ordeal. One thing that wasn't clear to me though is if you meant you had the problems because you waited to have the tooth filed down or the problems resulted from having the tooth filed down and not being able to restore a proper bite?

It's like my tooth acts as a roadblock and then as a ramp. Like unles I move my jaw in a certain way my other teeth won't touch, just the back two molars on my right side, and then my jaw will either slide to the left or forward of that tooth so I can make contact with the rest of the teeth. I think that's why my bite changes so much, day to day even.

GenDen
06-12-2003, 11:49 AM
Mark,
Everyone is different. Though there are similarities between TMJ dynfunction sufferers, there are many causes. Therefore, what helps one person may not help another. The key is to get an accurate diagnosis. I am not a dentist, but a red flag I see right away from what you write is that your wisdom teeth might be a cause. You say that they are pushing other teeth out of place, changing your bite, and are inflamed. Because the wisdom teeth are so close to the ears, the inflammation may be pushing on the delicate ear structures including the eustachian tubes, thus causing the tinnitus and hyperacusis. If this happens to be your diagnosis, it would explain why the splints could make the problem worse. I know that pulling the wisdom teeth is traumatic and in some instances can make TMJ dysfunction worse if the cause is something else, so it is essential that you have an accurate diagnosis. If you need an MRI for an accurate diagnosis, a suggestion would be to take valium before the procedure and wear good earplugs. Also, if trigger point injections are recommended to settle down the spasming muscles, they can be very helpful if done correctly. Most anesthesiologists who do trigger point injections do not use steroid and they don't do more than five injections at a time. Bad reactions are not common. It is terrible to suffer as you are suffering, but if you can find the right medical professional to diagnose the cause and treat that cause, you should have good results. I think the wisdom teeth might be the culprits.

MarkCE
06-12-2003, 01:35 PM
Hi Genden,

Thanks for the response.

Hopefully the panoramic xray will give us some answers. I wouldn't doubt if the impacted wisdom teeth are a large contributing factor to my condition. I have a very limited opening though (around 20mm I believe) so I don't know if they would even be able to remove them?

I'll ask the doc about the trigger point injections as well as soon as I can get up there.

Thank all of you guys for all of the great feedback so far, you are all a great help.

jafc
06-12-2003, 02:20 PM
Mark, sorry if my post was vague -- I was trying to entertain my 20 month old while typing. What I meant was that the erupted tooth (which I did have treated immediately after noticing that my teeth only touched in one point) was itself a big problem because it ruined my previously satisfactory (I think) bite.

In addition, while my former dentist was able to partially restore my bite, I then went on "treatment hiatus" and my bite worsened because I didn't get it fully resolved (or as resolved as was possible).

So I guess both things were the problem -- the erupted tooth and the treatment hiatus. Does that make sense?

And GenDen, thank you for offering another perspective on trigger point injections. My experience was so unexpectedly awful and Mark is so young and in so much discomfort already that I wanted to pipe in with my experience.

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Judy

GenDen
06-12-2003, 03:49 PM
Mark,
If it is indicated that you need to have the wisdom teeth extracted, I don't think you need to worry that you can't open your mouth very wide. The inflamed, impacted wisdom teeth may be causing the limited mouth opening. If you go to a qualified Oral Surgeon who understands your situation, there are options. They have ways of getting your muscles relaxed so that there is adequate opening without doing damage. I stress a qualified Oral Surgeon because they have a great deal of experience with hard cases and know how to deal successfully with them.





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