Arleen
06-12-2003, 08:29 PM
Hi Everyone:
I did a lot of thinking before my appointment and decided I wasn't going to go ahead with having impressions done at my second appt with Dr. Sigesmund. First, I wanted all my questions answered and I wanted to have a good understanding of his plan of treatment.
So, I told him what I had decided and he had a little hissy fit. Nothing drastic. More like a reaction you'd expect from a pertulent child. Along the lines of, "well why didn't you tell me? I told you that's what this appointment was for..." etc. You get the idea, along with an exasperated look on his face. So, I tried to explain again that he knows how many dentists I've seen, that I've had bad things done to me, that I've been given bad advice, and I just needed to have a clear understanding of everything, that it wasn't personal, wasn't a reflection on him.
He seems very rigid in the way he approaches appointments. At my first appointment, when he'd ask questions, I'd start giving details and he'd say to me "keep it simple. Just yes or no." Anyway, I obviously threw him off his system today. When I said I had a lot of questions, he said patients usually ask them at the end, when he's finished explaining everything. Oh dear, what was I thinking, trying to ask them at the beginning! He maintained a defensive posture for the rest of my appointment.
My x-rays show a flattening of the jaw joint. I think he said this was not unexpected for my age. He said my condyles are very retruded (too far back). He didn't explain what condyles were or any more detail than that. I only know from reading online, but don't at this point understand the implications of this. I'd appreciate any clarification you can offer on what this means. If any of you have similar problems, I'd like to hear what help you've been given, and if it's working.
I asked what the wand thing he used on me last time was. It's a dopler. He used it instead of a stethoscope. The crackling noise indicates that the cartilidge is not running smoothly over the jaw joint. Again, I don't know the implications of this, but none of this sounds good. I had thought all my problems would be muscular.
He showed me samples of the 2 othotics he recommended. The day one is a mandibular othopedic repositioning appliance. It fits over the bottom teeth, except the front ones. The night one is a Ferrar (sp?). It fits behind (not over) all the upper teeth. It's has a clear acrylic ledge type thing behind the front teeth, which I guess my bottom teeth fit into or rest against. When I asked what type they were (because you guys have had so many discussions on different types), he said in all the years he's practiced, no one has asked him that. Oh yes, he was thrilled with me :)
The appliances would be worn for 6 months. He couldn't give me an idea of how long they take to start working. He said it varies from person to person. He couldn't give me a long term treatment plan, because he doesn't know how things will proceed.
There's been a lot of discussion of wisdom teeth on this board, and even with the dentists I've seen. Several dentists have said nobody chews back there anyway, although my mom and I both think we use ours. I asked him if the appliances (particularly the day one that fits over my teeth) would include my wisdom teeth. He said no, so I asked if this would be a problem; couldn't they erupt? Yes, this could be a problem, in which case, they'd need to be removed!!!!! Good think I knew enough to ask this (thanks to you guys). I don't want perfectly good wisdom teeth taken out. Also, a number of people say wisdom teeth removal started their TMJ problems. Or, if it didn't start them, it made their TMJD worse. This more than his bad attitude worries me.
Crystal - I think it was you who asked about costs. Roughly, the 2 appliances cost $1000 (each is 380 + lab fee). Initially, adjustments are done weekly for 4 weeks, then every 2 weeks. Each adjustment is $85. The receptionist said something about depending on how you pay, it may end up a bit less per adjustment (sorry, I can't remember the details). He has two $30 charges, for oral habits, and oral hygiene. I asked what these were (too late, I'd already paid) and the receptionist said that the dentist will make comments if he notices you're doing anything wrong. For example, I was told not to wear my purse hanging from my shoulder. Another example would be that the dentist would show me how to yawn properly. He hasn't because I don't experience any pain when yawning. So, a $60 charge for a few comments.
He didn't show much patience with me today. If I knew he was a great dentist, I wouldnt care if he had weird attitude, but I don't know anyone who's been to him. And the wisdom teeth situation disturbs me. Also, he didn't wear gloves to check my teeth today! Unfortunately I didn't notice this until he was removing his fingers from my mouth :( uugh. Then he goes and washes his hands. What do you make of that?!
This afternoon, I called one of the dentists listed on the LVI website - Dr. Chris Lang. His name came up under neuromuscular dentists, however, it turns out he's an orthodontist. He doesn't do extensive muscle testing. I've made an appointment but will likely cancel because I don't want to go the orthodontic route, which is likely what he'd do.
I got the name of another dentist off the American Academy of Carniofacial Pain website and called him this afternoon. The dentist came to the phone as the receptionist couldn't answer my questions. He was very nice and spent about 10 minutes talking to me. He asked if anyone had recommended physio (no one has). He thinks that could help. He recommended a friend of his, Dr. Gary Fortinsky, who is a dentist and a homeopath. He's into neuromuscular dentistry (don't know how much) and craniosacral therapy (anyone know about this and what it is???).
I don't know what to do next. Do I proceed with Dr. Sigesmund and hope for the best for me and my wisdom teeth? I really value all your opinions, so feel free to jump in with any comments or advice.
Sorry about the long post. See, Cheryl, and you thought you needed to vent today :)
Hope everyone is having a great day. Mine hasn't been so great.
Arleen
I did a lot of thinking before my appointment and decided I wasn't going to go ahead with having impressions done at my second appt with Dr. Sigesmund. First, I wanted all my questions answered and I wanted to have a good understanding of his plan of treatment.
So, I told him what I had decided and he had a little hissy fit. Nothing drastic. More like a reaction you'd expect from a pertulent child. Along the lines of, "well why didn't you tell me? I told you that's what this appointment was for..." etc. You get the idea, along with an exasperated look on his face. So, I tried to explain again that he knows how many dentists I've seen, that I've had bad things done to me, that I've been given bad advice, and I just needed to have a clear understanding of everything, that it wasn't personal, wasn't a reflection on him.
He seems very rigid in the way he approaches appointments. At my first appointment, when he'd ask questions, I'd start giving details and he'd say to me "keep it simple. Just yes or no." Anyway, I obviously threw him off his system today. When I said I had a lot of questions, he said patients usually ask them at the end, when he's finished explaining everything. Oh dear, what was I thinking, trying to ask them at the beginning! He maintained a defensive posture for the rest of my appointment.
My x-rays show a flattening of the jaw joint. I think he said this was not unexpected for my age. He said my condyles are very retruded (too far back). He didn't explain what condyles were or any more detail than that. I only know from reading online, but don't at this point understand the implications of this. I'd appreciate any clarification you can offer on what this means. If any of you have similar problems, I'd like to hear what help you've been given, and if it's working.
I asked what the wand thing he used on me last time was. It's a dopler. He used it instead of a stethoscope. The crackling noise indicates that the cartilidge is not running smoothly over the jaw joint. Again, I don't know the implications of this, but none of this sounds good. I had thought all my problems would be muscular.
He showed me samples of the 2 othotics he recommended. The day one is a mandibular othopedic repositioning appliance. It fits over the bottom teeth, except the front ones. The night one is a Ferrar (sp?). It fits behind (not over) all the upper teeth. It's has a clear acrylic ledge type thing behind the front teeth, which I guess my bottom teeth fit into or rest against. When I asked what type they were (because you guys have had so many discussions on different types), he said in all the years he's practiced, no one has asked him that. Oh yes, he was thrilled with me :)
The appliances would be worn for 6 months. He couldn't give me an idea of how long they take to start working. He said it varies from person to person. He couldn't give me a long term treatment plan, because he doesn't know how things will proceed.
There's been a lot of discussion of wisdom teeth on this board, and even with the dentists I've seen. Several dentists have said nobody chews back there anyway, although my mom and I both think we use ours. I asked him if the appliances (particularly the day one that fits over my teeth) would include my wisdom teeth. He said no, so I asked if this would be a problem; couldn't they erupt? Yes, this could be a problem, in which case, they'd need to be removed!!!!! Good think I knew enough to ask this (thanks to you guys). I don't want perfectly good wisdom teeth taken out. Also, a number of people say wisdom teeth removal started their TMJ problems. Or, if it didn't start them, it made their TMJD worse. This more than his bad attitude worries me.
Crystal - I think it was you who asked about costs. Roughly, the 2 appliances cost $1000 (each is 380 + lab fee). Initially, adjustments are done weekly for 4 weeks, then every 2 weeks. Each adjustment is $85. The receptionist said something about depending on how you pay, it may end up a bit less per adjustment (sorry, I can't remember the details). He has two $30 charges, for oral habits, and oral hygiene. I asked what these were (too late, I'd already paid) and the receptionist said that the dentist will make comments if he notices you're doing anything wrong. For example, I was told not to wear my purse hanging from my shoulder. Another example would be that the dentist would show me how to yawn properly. He hasn't because I don't experience any pain when yawning. So, a $60 charge for a few comments.
He didn't show much patience with me today. If I knew he was a great dentist, I wouldnt care if he had weird attitude, but I don't know anyone who's been to him. And the wisdom teeth situation disturbs me. Also, he didn't wear gloves to check my teeth today! Unfortunately I didn't notice this until he was removing his fingers from my mouth :( uugh. Then he goes and washes his hands. What do you make of that?!
This afternoon, I called one of the dentists listed on the LVI website - Dr. Chris Lang. His name came up under neuromuscular dentists, however, it turns out he's an orthodontist. He doesn't do extensive muscle testing. I've made an appointment but will likely cancel because I don't want to go the orthodontic route, which is likely what he'd do.
I got the name of another dentist off the American Academy of Carniofacial Pain website and called him this afternoon. The dentist came to the phone as the receptionist couldn't answer my questions. He was very nice and spent about 10 minutes talking to me. He asked if anyone had recommended physio (no one has). He thinks that could help. He recommended a friend of his, Dr. Gary Fortinsky, who is a dentist and a homeopath. He's into neuromuscular dentistry (don't know how much) and craniosacral therapy (anyone know about this and what it is???).
I don't know what to do next. Do I proceed with Dr. Sigesmund and hope for the best for me and my wisdom teeth? I really value all your opinions, so feel free to jump in with any comments or advice.
Sorry about the long post. See, Cheryl, and you thought you needed to vent today :)
Hope everyone is having a great day. Mine hasn't been so great.
Arleen
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GenDen
06-12-2003, 09:07 PM
RATS!! We are between a rock and a hard place with treatment, aren't we? I went to a really nice endodontist for a root canal in March. He explained everything, was very personable, had good credentials, but he did a poor job. Actually, he did a root canal on the wrong tooth. I had another root canal two weeks ago on another tooth. I researched and found another endodontist that came highly recommended. He was grouchy, charged a lot, didn't want to explain anything, but did a fabulous job with a very difficult tooth. How do we know? It is very difficult to know who will do the best job for us. If we really like the guy does that mean he will do a good job?--I don't think it is necessarily so. What a dilemma. What really counts is if the treatment works. We don't know that until we are through. Sounds to me like he thinks that your condyles are pressing against the soft tissues in the fossa and wants to bring your mandible forward to increase the joint space. The night splint will probably keep your mandible forward and prevent clenching and grinding. Good luck in your decision. Does his office have any statistics on his success rate and how do they determine a success?
DianeTMJ
06-12-2003, 09:09 PM
Hi Arleen!
Okay, I am hopping! :bouncing: :bouncing:
Wow it is really hard to type and hop at the same time!
Okay, there is my humor for the night.
You stood your ground, you found out what you wanted to, even though he was testy.
Diane
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Okay, I am hopping! :bouncing: :bouncing:
Wow it is really hard to type and hop at the same time!
Okay, there is my humor for the night.
You stood your ground, you found out what you wanted to, even though he was testy.
Diane
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DianeTMJ
06-12-2003, 09:12 PM
Oh Arleen -
I also wanted to know... did you ask him about his success rate with treating TMJ patients? How many he has treated you know ... all that stuff?
Later
Diane
I also wanted to know... did you ask him about his success rate with treating TMJ patients? How many he has treated you know ... all that stuff?
Later
Diane
crystalll
06-12-2003, 09:31 PM
Hi Arleen,
I certainly don't want to defend this guy, but his treatment plan sounds identical to what Dr. Rondeau does. Dr. Rondeau is very well educated, with a high success rate. Marlene can attest to that. Unfortunately, I was his exception. His "bedside manner" is probably a little better as well. :)
I don't know what to tell you about the wisdom teeth. I was simply born without wisdom teeth. Lucky me!
As someone mentioned before, you should go with your gut feeling.
I'm currently seeing a craniosacral therapist. It's a very gentle form of hands-on therapy. Craniosacral therapists believe two things: that the sutures in your skull are movable and that portions of your skull can become compressed and/or misaligned; and that they can feel the movement of craniosacral fluid that flows from your sacrum to your cranium. They believe that their therapy can help your body to regulate its flow of fluid and correct itself. The amount of pressure they use is equivalent to the weight of a nickel in your hand. I'm not totally sold on craniosacral therapy for TMJD, but I'm trying to turn off the left side of my brain, and go with the flow (so to speak).
Whatever decision you make, I wish you the very best.
Crystal
I certainly don't want to defend this guy, but his treatment plan sounds identical to what Dr. Rondeau does. Dr. Rondeau is very well educated, with a high success rate. Marlene can attest to that. Unfortunately, I was his exception. His "bedside manner" is probably a little better as well. :)
I don't know what to tell you about the wisdom teeth. I was simply born without wisdom teeth. Lucky me!
As someone mentioned before, you should go with your gut feeling.
I'm currently seeing a craniosacral therapist. It's a very gentle form of hands-on therapy. Craniosacral therapists believe two things: that the sutures in your skull are movable and that portions of your skull can become compressed and/or misaligned; and that they can feel the movement of craniosacral fluid that flows from your sacrum to your cranium. They believe that their therapy can help your body to regulate its flow of fluid and correct itself. The amount of pressure they use is equivalent to the weight of a nickel in your hand. I'm not totally sold on craniosacral therapy for TMJD, but I'm trying to turn off the left side of my brain, and go with the flow (so to speak).
Whatever decision you make, I wish you the very best.
Crystal
Arleen
06-12-2003, 09:53 PM
Hi GenDen and Diane:
Dr. Sigesmund only treats TMJ patients. He said his success rate is around 85%. I wouldn't care about his odd manner if I knew he could do an excellent job for me. Also, I'd be concerned about my wisdom teeth erupted, and having to be pulled. I've never had a tooth pulled in my life and I don't want to start now.
GenDen- I'm so sorry to hear that you had a root canal on the wrong tooth. Aren't dentists the scariest things! What you said about the condyles and the fossa soft tissues makes sense. I must read up about all this. I hope you're doing okay.
Diane - I wish I could find a good neuromuscular dentist like you and Cheryl have. I don't think there are many (or any) in Toronto. I would loooooove to come to New Mexico. From any pictures I've seen, it looks lovely. The weather sounds perfect too.
I haven't been working the last few months, so I'm watching my pennies. Dr. Barry Cooper's looks good, as least via his website. I'm tempted to go to N.Y., but it's costly just to get there, let alone the treatment. Plus New York is a long way to go for when I need adjustments.
I'll try to find out more about Dr. Fortinsky, although I don't believe he's a TMJ dentist.
You're right about wanting a dentist who takes time to take a complete dental history. When I read your comments, I remembered something else from today. I'd mentioned on my first visit that sometimes I don't see as well as at other times. Today, Dr. S went through a checklist of my problems and asked about my eyesight. I said I'd been to the eye doctor recently. He said good, so that's taken care of, and didn't even ask what my eye doctor had said.
No one's recommended chiro, except the dentist who won't fit me into her schedule anymore. The pain I have is mostly with my upper 4-6 front teeth and gums, and some in the muscles on the right side of my face. What would chiro do? I also don't understand about you having your rib cracked. Where do you experience pain, and how does having your rib cracked help it? Does a chiropractor do massage therapy?
One of the woman in my stitching guild used to be a physiotherapist and she told me about a physio she used to know who treated only TMJ patients. She didn't have her phone number or know if she was still practicing, but I'm going to call her to see if she can get me that info for me. You'd think a TMJ physio would have an idea of who are the good and bad dentists to see in Toronto.
Thank you both for your words of encouragement. At my appointment today, I just kept thinking of you guys, and that I need to understand this whole process because it's my health.
On another note, concrete floors sound nice. They're so trendy these days, particularly in lofts. Regards to Al, and hope you're having a good day. A vanilla wafer! Wow, Diane, you're really living it up. It's great to hear.
Arleen
Dr. Sigesmund only treats TMJ patients. He said his success rate is around 85%. I wouldn't care about his odd manner if I knew he could do an excellent job for me. Also, I'd be concerned about my wisdom teeth erupted, and having to be pulled. I've never had a tooth pulled in my life and I don't want to start now.
GenDen- I'm so sorry to hear that you had a root canal on the wrong tooth. Aren't dentists the scariest things! What you said about the condyles and the fossa soft tissues makes sense. I must read up about all this. I hope you're doing okay.
Diane - I wish I could find a good neuromuscular dentist like you and Cheryl have. I don't think there are many (or any) in Toronto. I would loooooove to come to New Mexico. From any pictures I've seen, it looks lovely. The weather sounds perfect too.
I haven't been working the last few months, so I'm watching my pennies. Dr. Barry Cooper's looks good, as least via his website. I'm tempted to go to N.Y., but it's costly just to get there, let alone the treatment. Plus New York is a long way to go for when I need adjustments.
I'll try to find out more about Dr. Fortinsky, although I don't believe he's a TMJ dentist.
You're right about wanting a dentist who takes time to take a complete dental history. When I read your comments, I remembered something else from today. I'd mentioned on my first visit that sometimes I don't see as well as at other times. Today, Dr. S went through a checklist of my problems and asked about my eyesight. I said I'd been to the eye doctor recently. He said good, so that's taken care of, and didn't even ask what my eye doctor had said.
No one's recommended chiro, except the dentist who won't fit me into her schedule anymore. The pain I have is mostly with my upper 4-6 front teeth and gums, and some in the muscles on the right side of my face. What would chiro do? I also don't understand about you having your rib cracked. Where do you experience pain, and how does having your rib cracked help it? Does a chiropractor do massage therapy?
One of the woman in my stitching guild used to be a physiotherapist and she told me about a physio she used to know who treated only TMJ patients. She didn't have her phone number or know if she was still practicing, but I'm going to call her to see if she can get me that info for me. You'd think a TMJ physio would have an idea of who are the good and bad dentists to see in Toronto.
Thank you both for your words of encouragement. At my appointment today, I just kept thinking of you guys, and that I need to understand this whole process because it's my health.
On another note, concrete floors sound nice. They're so trendy these days, particularly in lofts. Regards to Al, and hope you're having a good day. A vanilla wafer! Wow, Diane, you're really living it up. It's great to hear.
Arleen
Arleen
06-12-2003, 10:00 PM
Hi Crystal:
This Dr. Fortinsky I mentioned in my lost post apparently does craniosacral therapy. I'd love to hear how you progress with it.
While I wasn't impressed with Dr. S's attitude today, I would put that aside if I knew he was an excellent dentist, or if I knew someone he'd treated. I'm not sure what I'll do. His plan, as far as it went, sounded okay, but the wisdom teeth situation really disturbs me. I'm not sure I want to put myself in a situation where I'd need to get them pulled.
I hope we both find excellent solutions to our problems. Hope you're having a good day.
Arleen
This Dr. Fortinsky I mentioned in my lost post apparently does craniosacral therapy. I'd love to hear how you progress with it.
While I wasn't impressed with Dr. S's attitude today, I would put that aside if I knew he was an excellent dentist, or if I knew someone he'd treated. I'm not sure what I'll do. His plan, as far as it went, sounded okay, but the wisdom teeth situation really disturbs me. I'm not sure I want to put myself in a situation where I'd need to get them pulled.
I hope we both find excellent solutions to our problems. Hope you're having a good day.
Arleen
TiffanyAnn
06-12-2003, 10:31 PM
Hi Arleen:
It sounds like you are in a really difficult spot right now. I have been in that spot alot lately too and I have money concerns too so I try to save as much as I can as well. But I am VERY proud of you for standing up for yourself and insisting he answer your questions whether it fit his "plan" or not. I'm inclined to follow my gut feelings on these things but I have learned over the years that my gut feelings are right on most of the time. It hasn't failed me yet. I would be inclined to look elsewhere. It sounds like you already have very clear concerns that he doesn't seem willing to take the time to address and it really sounds to me like what he is most concerned about is the $$$$$$$$. I would have been very clear that under no circumstances did I intend to pay the man $60.00 to teach me how to yawn. For heaven's sake that should be included in his already overpriced costs. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be negative. I am just following my gut feeling but you know, you have to do what you think is right. Hang in there.
Tiffany
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It sounds like you are in a really difficult spot right now. I have been in that spot alot lately too and I have money concerns too so I try to save as much as I can as well. But I am VERY proud of you for standing up for yourself and insisting he answer your questions whether it fit his "plan" or not. I'm inclined to follow my gut feelings on these things but I have learned over the years that my gut feelings are right on most of the time. It hasn't failed me yet. I would be inclined to look elsewhere. It sounds like you already have very clear concerns that he doesn't seem willing to take the time to address and it really sounds to me like what he is most concerned about is the $$$$$$$$. I would have been very clear that under no circumstances did I intend to pay the man $60.00 to teach me how to yawn. For heaven's sake that should be included in his already overpriced costs. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be negative. I am just following my gut feeling but you know, you have to do what you think is right. Hang in there.
Tiffany
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GenDen
06-12-2003, 10:32 PM
Arleen,
My reading tells me that teeth will not supra-erupt if they have a few minutes of biting/touching each day. The reason they erupt is to find their lower/upper partner. If you put pressure on the wisdom teeth with your finger several times a day, that should be enough stimulation on the ligament so that they will not erupt.
My reading tells me that teeth will not supra-erupt if they have a few minutes of biting/touching each day. The reason they erupt is to find their lower/upper partner. If you put pressure on the wisdom teeth with your finger several times a day, that should be enough stimulation on the ligament so that they will not erupt.
CherylLynn24
06-12-2003, 10:40 PM
Hi Arleen,
Boy, it sounds like we both had a bad day today! That was a good idea, not letting him take impressions today. It gave you a chance to ask all of your questions, and then take the time to decide. Money doesn't grow on trees! I don't like what you had said concerning your wisdom teeth-taking those out can sometimes cause these types of problems!
I have to say honestly, that the dentist that you called today, and actually SPOKE with you sounds okay. Would he be treating you, or his friend? I didn't really care for how the dentist that you saw today acted. They should answer your questions, what if you have more questions during your course of treatment, is he just going to push you on the side? That's what's hard...we don't know who's good or not, we always have to just take a chance and hope for the best. If there's no adequate help near you there, how far are you away from the border, to try to get help here?
As for him having his hands in your mouth without gloves....that's gross. I wouldn't want any dentists hands in my mouth without gloves on, who knows where they've been?!
Maybe it would be a good idea to get a second opinion, and compare the two. See who you feel is qualified to do the best job with you.
The doppler was used on him recently. His joints made ALL kinds of noise, too. I was told that his IS STILL a muscular problem, so don't get all worried over that. Let me know what you decide to do. Hang in there.
Take Care,
Cheryl
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Boy, it sounds like we both had a bad day today! That was a good idea, not letting him take impressions today. It gave you a chance to ask all of your questions, and then take the time to decide. Money doesn't grow on trees! I don't like what you had said concerning your wisdom teeth-taking those out can sometimes cause these types of problems!
I have to say honestly, that the dentist that you called today, and actually SPOKE with you sounds okay. Would he be treating you, or his friend? I didn't really care for how the dentist that you saw today acted. They should answer your questions, what if you have more questions during your course of treatment, is he just going to push you on the side? That's what's hard...we don't know who's good or not, we always have to just take a chance and hope for the best. If there's no adequate help near you there, how far are you away from the border, to try to get help here?
As for him having his hands in your mouth without gloves....that's gross. I wouldn't want any dentists hands in my mouth without gloves on, who knows where they've been?!
Maybe it would be a good idea to get a second opinion, and compare the two. See who you feel is qualified to do the best job with you.
The doppler was used on him recently. His joints made ALL kinds of noise, too. I was told that his IS STILL a muscular problem, so don't get all worried over that. Let me know what you decide to do. Hang in there.
Take Care,
Cheryl
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DianeTMJ
06-12-2003, 10:54 PM
Hi Arleen!
Okay, the first rib adjustment, oh boy what did it get rid of.... ringing in the ears, pain in neck, vertigo and dizzeness. My shoulder neck muscles have much more room to just "be". What gums I have left feel so much better too. She also has adjusted my neck, my back. A chiro that has studied TMJ and also adjusts the first rib really works for me. She also does a little massage on me, she wants me to wait just a few more days before seeing a massage therp.
OH and by the way, :nono: http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/t_down.gif bad bad boy putting his hands in your mouth without gloves on, need I say more?? http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/wow.gif
Take care
Diane
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Okay, the first rib adjustment, oh boy what did it get rid of.... ringing in the ears, pain in neck, vertigo and dizzeness. My shoulder neck muscles have much more room to just "be". What gums I have left feel so much better too. She also has adjusted my neck, my back. A chiro that has studied TMJ and also adjusts the first rib really works for me. She also does a little massage on me, she wants me to wait just a few more days before seeing a massage therp.
OH and by the way, :nono: http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/t_down.gif bad bad boy putting his hands in your mouth without gloves on, need I say more?? http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/wow.gif
Take care
Diane
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GenDen
06-12-2003, 11:08 PM
Dentists and doctors always used to work without gloves until the AIDS thing came along. It is more to protect them than you.
Arleen
06-12-2003, 11:30 PM
Hi:
You guys are all so great! Thanks for all the wisdom you've sent my way today.
I apologize for such a long post. It didn't seem that long when I was writing it. Everything was fresh in my mind and I wanted to get it down. Just think, if you have problems sleeping tonight, print it out and start reading. Should put you to sleep in no time zzzzzzzzzzzz
Hi Tiffany: His prices aren't as bad as some I've seen on this board, but that $60 fee seems like a quick way to bring in some funds. I woke up too late on this one.
GenDen: Your comments made me feel better. I'll have to read about supra-erupting. If just putting pressure with my fingers will stop this from happening, then at least I can consider Dr. S. if nothing else presents itself. I didn't realize that dentists used to work without gloves. I was completely grossed out. These days there's so much going around, plus we've got SARS scares here.
Hi Diane - The rib adjustment sounds wonderful. Amazing that adjusting a rib fixed all those other things. I'm trying to track down a TMJ physio I've been told about. Haven't yet located her phone number. She does a neuromuscular approach. I'd think she could me the scoop on who are good and bad TMJ dentists. p.s. you're floor sounds very nice. Lots of lofts here do concrete floors - very trendy. I love art, so I really must check out your gallery one day :)
Hi Cheryl - I hope we both have better days tomorrow. I've got acupuncture first thing. Helps with pain. I hope whatever approach you take, that you get those impressions. You go girl!
I think I need some ice cream.
Hugs to all,
Arleen
You guys are all so great! Thanks for all the wisdom you've sent my way today.
I apologize for such a long post. It didn't seem that long when I was writing it. Everything was fresh in my mind and I wanted to get it down. Just think, if you have problems sleeping tonight, print it out and start reading. Should put you to sleep in no time zzzzzzzzzzzz
Hi Tiffany: His prices aren't as bad as some I've seen on this board, but that $60 fee seems like a quick way to bring in some funds. I woke up too late on this one.
GenDen: Your comments made me feel better. I'll have to read about supra-erupting. If just putting pressure with my fingers will stop this from happening, then at least I can consider Dr. S. if nothing else presents itself. I didn't realize that dentists used to work without gloves. I was completely grossed out. These days there's so much going around, plus we've got SARS scares here.
Hi Diane - The rib adjustment sounds wonderful. Amazing that adjusting a rib fixed all those other things. I'm trying to track down a TMJ physio I've been told about. Haven't yet located her phone number. She does a neuromuscular approach. I'd think she could me the scoop on who are good and bad TMJ dentists. p.s. you're floor sounds very nice. Lots of lofts here do concrete floors - very trendy. I love art, so I really must check out your gallery one day :)
Hi Cheryl - I hope we both have better days tomorrow. I've got acupuncture first thing. Helps with pain. I hope whatever approach you take, that you get those impressions. You go girl!
I think I need some ice cream.
Hugs to all,
Arleen
DianeTMJ
06-12-2003, 11:36 PM
:D :D :D :D
Ice Cream! I am outta here! Oh that sounds good!
With lots of chocolate syrup too!
Have a good nite Arleen!
Diane
Ice Cream! I am outta here! Oh that sounds good!
With lots of chocolate syrup too!
Have a good nite Arleen!
Diane