Arleen
07-08-2003, 01:56 AM
Hi All:
I haven't been on the boards much lately as I've been feeling so down. Guess today it just seems to have all piled up on me and I feel like I am at the end of my rope.
Late last week I had a call from the woman handling my claim for long term disability benefits, as I've been off work for several months due to all this bad stuff. I don't know if the insurance company will approve my claim and they're moving slowly processing it. The questions she asked me all sounded like "outs" for the insurance company not to pay anything, depending on how I answered. What happened to good old honest decency? Yes, I know, insurance company and decency don't go hand in hand.
Today, the HR woman from work who's been handling things called. She calls once or twice a month, even though my doctor submits forms when required and all the information she needs is there. She's nosey and anything I'd say would end up as gossip circulated in my dept. Her calls are always like a form of harrassment. Today I felt particularly bad and my teeth and gums were hurting alot, so I didn't even try to make conversation, just said "hmmm" a lot. She seemed to get the idea and didn't keep me on the line as I wasn't contributing to the conversation. I don't like to be rude, but what's wrong with people? I'm doing the best I can to find myself help and try to get better. She usually gives me mild putdowns. Last conversation, she told me she had someone else who'd been on leave with TMJD but they managed to get back to work quickly. When I asked who they saw, she moved on to the next thing.
I've lived through a horrible weekend with the neighbours and their noise. The vibrations through the wall are making me crazy. Tonight I went down to the basement to read the paper and have a snack. It was freezing down there, but I had peace and quiet momentarily. It's like I don't know which room to go to that doesn't have noise, so I've just been walking from one room to the next. The vibrations seem to get right into my body and it almost feels like pins and needles. It also feels like my head's gonna explode. Of course, no one here understands the whole TMJD situation anyway, so I don't bother to explain the noise problem except to say it bothers me. The music isn't loud enough to call the cops or do anything about. It's like a low level vibration, and I sit and watch the water in my cup vibrate. This can't be good for my body. I can't get a moment's peace. I went to sit out back, but it started to rain, so that was that. I've taken half a relaxant tonight so that should knock me out in the case the vibrations are still going when I go to bed.
I spoke to neuro #1's office last week and asked the "treatment coordinator" if she could submit a predetermination to my insurance company (they charge $4,000 for splint, adjustments, and the initial testing/measurement appt; plus $275 for the full exam, x-rays, impressions appt). Today I received the results from the insurance company. The dentist's office only submitted the $275 charge. I called to see why the whole amount wasn't submitted as discussed. She said she submitted what the dentist gave her, that she planned to submit the rest when the dentist gave it to her this week, that she thought I was concerned about the $275 charge. What?! I told her I need to know what the insurance will cover, and that I was much concerned about the $4,000 charge as the $275 is a more manageable amount. I don't know if you recall, but this was the office that couldn't tell me what my consult would cost, and when I pushed, I was told it will be under $100 (it was $30). It looks like my insurance will cover the $275, so they're obviously not charging above what the current dental rates are. But something's odd here. After my consult appt, I asked what the exam appt would cost and was told she didn't know and would have to call me (which she did). This doesn't give me a good feeling, and I wasn't 100% about this office anyway (although I don't appear to have much to choose from).
My parents are expecting to spend several days in Cleveland next week, and I'm almost tempted to call Cheryl's dentist, see if he can fit me in for exam/testing, etc. and get things underway. Of course, then I'd have to go to Cleveland for adjustments. I'm feeling very desperate and down today. It seems neverending. I emailed Dr. Cooper (N.Y.) to see if he could suggest anyone. He very kindly wrote back but the two he suggested, I've already seen. His other suggestion is the next province over (very far). It also doesn't look like neuro #3's office is making any effort to get me in earlier. It will be a month from my consult to my first visit. I've told them what kind of shape I'm in, maybe they just don't care.
And like everyone else, I'm worried about the financial end of things. Plus my car insurance is due this month, my car needs work so I haven't been driving it. And on and on. Sorry to gripe so much but it just seems to have all piled up and seems like too much. And it upsets me that I started out with great gums and teeth and I'm worried that by the time someone treats me, my gums will be shot.
I hope everyone else is having a much better day than I am (I'd hate to think someone's having a worse one).
Arleen
I haven't been on the boards much lately as I've been feeling so down. Guess today it just seems to have all piled up on me and I feel like I am at the end of my rope.
Late last week I had a call from the woman handling my claim for long term disability benefits, as I've been off work for several months due to all this bad stuff. I don't know if the insurance company will approve my claim and they're moving slowly processing it. The questions she asked me all sounded like "outs" for the insurance company not to pay anything, depending on how I answered. What happened to good old honest decency? Yes, I know, insurance company and decency don't go hand in hand.
Today, the HR woman from work who's been handling things called. She calls once or twice a month, even though my doctor submits forms when required and all the information she needs is there. She's nosey and anything I'd say would end up as gossip circulated in my dept. Her calls are always like a form of harrassment. Today I felt particularly bad and my teeth and gums were hurting alot, so I didn't even try to make conversation, just said "hmmm" a lot. She seemed to get the idea and didn't keep me on the line as I wasn't contributing to the conversation. I don't like to be rude, but what's wrong with people? I'm doing the best I can to find myself help and try to get better. She usually gives me mild putdowns. Last conversation, she told me she had someone else who'd been on leave with TMJD but they managed to get back to work quickly. When I asked who they saw, she moved on to the next thing.
I've lived through a horrible weekend with the neighbours and their noise. The vibrations through the wall are making me crazy. Tonight I went down to the basement to read the paper and have a snack. It was freezing down there, but I had peace and quiet momentarily. It's like I don't know which room to go to that doesn't have noise, so I've just been walking from one room to the next. The vibrations seem to get right into my body and it almost feels like pins and needles. It also feels like my head's gonna explode. Of course, no one here understands the whole TMJD situation anyway, so I don't bother to explain the noise problem except to say it bothers me. The music isn't loud enough to call the cops or do anything about. It's like a low level vibration, and I sit and watch the water in my cup vibrate. This can't be good for my body. I can't get a moment's peace. I went to sit out back, but it started to rain, so that was that. I've taken half a relaxant tonight so that should knock me out in the case the vibrations are still going when I go to bed.
I spoke to neuro #1's office last week and asked the "treatment coordinator" if she could submit a predetermination to my insurance company (they charge $4,000 for splint, adjustments, and the initial testing/measurement appt; plus $275 for the full exam, x-rays, impressions appt). Today I received the results from the insurance company. The dentist's office only submitted the $275 charge. I called to see why the whole amount wasn't submitted as discussed. She said she submitted what the dentist gave her, that she planned to submit the rest when the dentist gave it to her this week, that she thought I was concerned about the $275 charge. What?! I told her I need to know what the insurance will cover, and that I was much concerned about the $4,000 charge as the $275 is a more manageable amount. I don't know if you recall, but this was the office that couldn't tell me what my consult would cost, and when I pushed, I was told it will be under $100 (it was $30). It looks like my insurance will cover the $275, so they're obviously not charging above what the current dental rates are. But something's odd here. After my consult appt, I asked what the exam appt would cost and was told she didn't know and would have to call me (which she did). This doesn't give me a good feeling, and I wasn't 100% about this office anyway (although I don't appear to have much to choose from).
My parents are expecting to spend several days in Cleveland next week, and I'm almost tempted to call Cheryl's dentist, see if he can fit me in for exam/testing, etc. and get things underway. Of course, then I'd have to go to Cleveland for adjustments. I'm feeling very desperate and down today. It seems neverending. I emailed Dr. Cooper (N.Y.) to see if he could suggest anyone. He very kindly wrote back but the two he suggested, I've already seen. His other suggestion is the next province over (very far). It also doesn't look like neuro #3's office is making any effort to get me in earlier. It will be a month from my consult to my first visit. I've told them what kind of shape I'm in, maybe they just don't care.
And like everyone else, I'm worried about the financial end of things. Plus my car insurance is due this month, my car needs work so I haven't been driving it. And on and on. Sorry to gripe so much but it just seems to have all piled up and seems like too much. And it upsets me that I started out with great gums and teeth and I'm worried that by the time someone treats me, my gums will be shot.
I hope everyone else is having a much better day than I am (I'd hate to think someone's having a worse one).
Arleen
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Anastasia
07-08-2003, 02:13 AM
Hi Arleen
***BIGhug***
i can't even begin to discect your post! between a harrassing woman, an ignoramous for a secretary, and neighbours from hell, i'd have lost it long ago! you've got nerves of steel my friend!
Anastasia
***BIGhug***
i can't even begin to discect your post! between a harrassing woman, an ignoramous for a secretary, and neighbours from hell, i'd have lost it long ago! you've got nerves of steel my friend!
Anastasia
CherylLynn24
07-08-2003, 02:49 AM
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Arleen
07-08-2003, 04:05 AM
Hi Anastasia & Cheryl:
Thanks for your support. Anastasia - thank you for the big hug. I really needed that. I'm just having a few bad days. It seems everything always comes at once and then it just becomes too much to handle. I think the noise factor makes things so much worse. Usually if I'm feeling down, I'll go into my room, sit at my comfy desk, watch some mindless TV and do some stitching. Well, the vibrations in my room make it so unpleasant to do that. Sometimes, too, the den (where this computer is) has vibrations too. So do several other rooms, so it's hard to find a spot where there is silence. Plus when my parents are around, they have the TVs going LOUD. I ask them to turn them down, but they think I'm making a big fuss and don't turn them down nearly enough. Only someone with TMJD understands this.
Cheryl, I noticed you haven't been around much. I was hoping that you were okay, but apart from a few posts over the weekend, I didn't feel much like writing. I'm glad you're okay and it's company that's keeping you away. How's Mike doing? I read about increasing his chiro etc. again. You guys must be counting down the days. I hope after all this wait that the splint works miracles. Maybe, like Diane, he'll put the splint in and get relief almost immediately. That would be great. And how's Mr. Cheryl? (sounds like a hairdresser - I'll have a bit off the back please, Mr. Cheryl. I'm sure your husband is man enough to handle me calling him that :)
My parents like going to Cleveland. I haven't told them yet it's skunk country. They've been a number of times and have never mentioned any animal encounters. Interesting about having one dentist make the splint and another do adjustments. That's fine as long as both dentists are great at it. We know how hard finding a good dentist is. As far as I know $4,275 is the total amount. It concerns me that they can never give me fees when I ask. Also, I don't understand why the complete predetermination wasn't sent in like we discussed. She made it sound like I was concerned about the $275 (as opposed to the $4,000). That makes no sense, so I don't get what the problem is. This was the first neuro I saw (LVI grad). He seemed okay, lacked personality, maybe cold. His office staff seemed cold or disinterested or something. I got some vibe from the appt but can't put my finger on what is bothering me. Also, I've seen so many dentists and just about every one has made an effort to get me in early because of my situation. Here they've got me waiting a month, and don't seem too concerned about it. But I guess I've got no other choices right now.
I would really appreciate it if you'd ask your husband about what to put on the walls for noise. How does he know it works? One person I spoke to said nothing works, especially for vibrations and bass. I hope that's not true. I was thinking of trying thick cork tiles (like peel and stick), although someone also told me those don't work. Also, would vibrations come through them. I really do sit at my desk and watch the water in my cup or bottle swirling around. Usually I can't hear the music/vocals, but I hear humming, revving, etc. I thought I'd go insane tonight.
Anway, thank you both for your support and encouragement. Take care,
Arleen
p.s. how's the sweet husky doggie today?
Thanks for your support. Anastasia - thank you for the big hug. I really needed that. I'm just having a few bad days. It seems everything always comes at once and then it just becomes too much to handle. I think the noise factor makes things so much worse. Usually if I'm feeling down, I'll go into my room, sit at my comfy desk, watch some mindless TV and do some stitching. Well, the vibrations in my room make it so unpleasant to do that. Sometimes, too, the den (where this computer is) has vibrations too. So do several other rooms, so it's hard to find a spot where there is silence. Plus when my parents are around, they have the TVs going LOUD. I ask them to turn them down, but they think I'm making a big fuss and don't turn them down nearly enough. Only someone with TMJD understands this.
Cheryl, I noticed you haven't been around much. I was hoping that you were okay, but apart from a few posts over the weekend, I didn't feel much like writing. I'm glad you're okay and it's company that's keeping you away. How's Mike doing? I read about increasing his chiro etc. again. You guys must be counting down the days. I hope after all this wait that the splint works miracles. Maybe, like Diane, he'll put the splint in and get relief almost immediately. That would be great. And how's Mr. Cheryl? (sounds like a hairdresser - I'll have a bit off the back please, Mr. Cheryl. I'm sure your husband is man enough to handle me calling him that :)
My parents like going to Cleveland. I haven't told them yet it's skunk country. They've been a number of times and have never mentioned any animal encounters. Interesting about having one dentist make the splint and another do adjustments. That's fine as long as both dentists are great at it. We know how hard finding a good dentist is. As far as I know $4,275 is the total amount. It concerns me that they can never give me fees when I ask. Also, I don't understand why the complete predetermination wasn't sent in like we discussed. She made it sound like I was concerned about the $275 (as opposed to the $4,000). That makes no sense, so I don't get what the problem is. This was the first neuro I saw (LVI grad). He seemed okay, lacked personality, maybe cold. His office staff seemed cold or disinterested or something. I got some vibe from the appt but can't put my finger on what is bothering me. Also, I've seen so many dentists and just about every one has made an effort to get me in early because of my situation. Here they've got me waiting a month, and don't seem too concerned about it. But I guess I've got no other choices right now.
I would really appreciate it if you'd ask your husband about what to put on the walls for noise. How does he know it works? One person I spoke to said nothing works, especially for vibrations and bass. I hope that's not true. I was thinking of trying thick cork tiles (like peel and stick), although someone also told me those don't work. Also, would vibrations come through them. I really do sit at my desk and watch the water in my cup or bottle swirling around. Usually I can't hear the music/vocals, but I hear humming, revving, etc. I thought I'd go insane tonight.
Anway, thank you both for your support and encouragement. Take care,
Arleen
p.s. how's the sweet husky doggie today?
navy2
07-08-2003, 08:04 AM
((hugs)) Arleen,
My heart goes out to you. I am so sorry that you are having a bad time. It will get better Arleen.
God Bless You!
Navy
My heart goes out to you. I am so sorry that you are having a bad time. It will get better Arleen.
God Bless You!
Navy
totallyconfused
07-08-2003, 10:19 AM
Arleen,
I wrote you out this post that tried to address all the stupid/annoying things that are happening in your life...that TMJD makes monumental (I know)....and when I went back to see if I'd covered everything...I lost it all!!!!! To sum it all up, I am sorry you are having to deal with all this.
Take care,
TC
I wrote you out this post that tried to address all the stupid/annoying things that are happening in your life...that TMJD makes monumental (I know)....and when I went back to see if I'd covered everything...I lost it all!!!!! To sum it all up, I am sorry you are having to deal with all this.
Take care,
TC
RobynRose
07-08-2003, 10:42 AM
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My heart also goes out to you Arleen. I know how tough this is - and often have days and nights I'm not sure I'll get through...sometimes weeks like this as well.
I defintitely agree that the noise situation is magnifying everything for you. Peace and quiet is something I cherish so very much. If the weather holds up, maybe you can head to a park, beach - or some other place to be alone - meditate some in a noise free place. I've even run off to the public library at times seeking quiet1 (I have 2 little girls with lots of pals who love to sing, dance and
play their music).
As for the choice of neuro dentists...this one is hard. Were the referrals Dr. C gave you dentists you had bad experiences with already ?? He did tell me that he hesitates making referrals long distances away (online) because he just can't be sure about the way another professional runs his actual practice. I can see why you might want to make the trip to see Cheryl/Mike's neuro dentist ...perhaps you can call him and explain your dilemma - ask him if he has a collegue he will collaborate with in your area?? It would have to be someone he really trusts though... I tend to think the follow-up care is very important.
My gums and rear teeth are also exceptionally bad last few days. I can't figure this one out - but I tend to think it's when my jaw moves out of alignment - blood vessels get crushed etc.
Hang in there Arleen. Things will turn around. Just know you aren't alone -- and we're here to lean on.
:) Robyn
My heart also goes out to you Arleen. I know how tough this is - and often have days and nights I'm not sure I'll get through...sometimes weeks like this as well.
I defintitely agree that the noise situation is magnifying everything for you. Peace and quiet is something I cherish so very much. If the weather holds up, maybe you can head to a park, beach - or some other place to be alone - meditate some in a noise free place. I've even run off to the public library at times seeking quiet1 (I have 2 little girls with lots of pals who love to sing, dance and
play their music).
As for the choice of neuro dentists...this one is hard. Were the referrals Dr. C gave you dentists you had bad experiences with already ?? He did tell me that he hesitates making referrals long distances away (online) because he just can't be sure about the way another professional runs his actual practice. I can see why you might want to make the trip to see Cheryl/Mike's neuro dentist ...perhaps you can call him and explain your dilemma - ask him if he has a collegue he will collaborate with in your area?? It would have to be someone he really trusts though... I tend to think the follow-up care is very important.
My gums and rear teeth are also exceptionally bad last few days. I can't figure this one out - but I tend to think it's when my jaw moves out of alignment - blood vessels get crushed etc.
Hang in there Arleen. Things will turn around. Just know you aren't alone -- and we're here to lean on.
:) Robyn
PINKYPRISCILLA
07-08-2003, 11:31 AM
Hi Arlene,
Hang in there, I feel the same way on days.
TMJ just makes stress worse, it is a vicious cycle so try to relax because being stressed will make your jaw hurt
more.
$4000$ is that for the splint and adjustments only?
Hang in there, I feel the same way on days.
TMJ just makes stress worse, it is a vicious cycle so try to relax because being stressed will make your jaw hurt
more.
$4000$ is that for the splint and adjustments only?
DianeTMJ
07-08-2003, 12:29 PM
((((((((((( Arleen ))))))))))
Oh super super hugs Arleen -
I wish I were there to hug you and let you know it will all be okay.
Okay, the employer thing. In the USA there is the Dept of Labor, which can let employees know when and employer is stepping over the bounderies. I believe here, that would be considered harrassament. Is there a dept like that in Canada? The reason to send all of the paperwork to the employer is so they are informed of their employee's condition and to allow the patient to heal without having to have the calls from the employer. I had an employer that did that once, I called the big guys, the President of Human Resources, went straight over the head of the HR manager of my office and trust me, it came to a very quick end.
The noise, Arleen, I HATE OTHER PEOPLES NOISE! I am sorry, I do not mean to be strong about my statement but I am sure it is from the effects of TMJD. Perhaps it is time to bring some of the Ohio creatures to your neighbors??? :0)
Diane
[This message has been edited by DianeTMJ (edited 10-29-2003).]
Oh super super hugs Arleen -
I wish I were there to hug you and let you know it will all be okay.
Okay, the employer thing. In the USA there is the Dept of Labor, which can let employees know when and employer is stepping over the bounderies. I believe here, that would be considered harrassament. Is there a dept like that in Canada? The reason to send all of the paperwork to the employer is so they are informed of their employee's condition and to allow the patient to heal without having to have the calls from the employer. I had an employer that did that once, I called the big guys, the President of Human Resources, went straight over the head of the HR manager of my office and trust me, it came to a very quick end.
The noise, Arleen, I HATE OTHER PEOPLES NOISE! I am sorry, I do not mean to be strong about my statement but I am sure it is from the effects of TMJD. Perhaps it is time to bring some of the Ohio creatures to your neighbors??? :0)
Diane
[This message has been edited by DianeTMJ (edited 10-29-2003).]
CherylLynn24
07-08-2003, 03:45 PM
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totallyconfused
07-08-2003, 04:55 PM
Cheryl,
So sorry you don't have an AC right now!!
I hope you all are feeling better. Talk to you later.
So sorry you don't have an AC right now!!
I hope you all are feeling better. Talk to you later.
CherylLynn24
07-08-2003, 05:06 PM
:) :) :) :) :)
TiffanyAnn
07-08-2003, 09:28 PM
{{{{{{{{Arleen}}}}}}}}}}} :angel:
Hi sweetie! I'm so sorry to hear things have been so tough for you lately. I know exactly how you feel when you say you are at the end of your rope. I've been there before too. There was one evening when I was so down, in so much pain and so desperate I thought I was going to end my life. I really do understand how you feel. Insurance companies always move slowly in processing pre-approval. Insurance companies are exactly like doctors...they are nothing but blood suckers who feed off their fellow human beings pain and suffering. I don't how they sleep at night. They are always looking for outs to keep from paying claims. I think things are made too easy for them, the wording is made to make it easier to get around and deny claims that are valid claims.
I remember you writing about the woman from work who keeps calling to give you a hard time. Do you have a husband or anyone who can answer the phone and speak to this woman for you? Someone who can let her know how much pain you are in and how much you are suffering. What about your mother, would she be willing to be at your place when this woman calls and speak to her on your behalf? I am just brain storming, trying to come up with some ideas that might help you out. Or, do you have an answering machine and screen all your calls. Don't answer the phone unless you want to speak with whoever is calling or caller ID that shows who is calling you. If your doctor is submitting the proper reports to this woman then she truly has no reason to be calling you adding to your already overloaded stress.
Anybody who has never suffered from TMJ has absolutely no idea how sensitive our ears become to sounds and our eyes to light. I have not been able to successfully convey how much this effects me. I remember you have spoken about your neighbors and their teens music before. Teenagers are known for the most part to be very self-centered and do not try to understand how what they do effects others. Adults don't get how sensitive ours ears get when we suffer with TMJ. I guess we can't expect kids to get it. But that doesn't help you at all I know. When you are suffering all you want to do is get out of pain. I am the exact same way.
I recall you posting about that dentist and them not knowing how much treatment would cost. That made me feel nervous as well. I too am on an extremely tight budget. I have to know what the cost of things are going to be so I can budget it. My husband has a severe heart condition and is no longer able to work. He has applied for Social Security Disability but like all government run programs, they drag their feet. He applied in January and of course they denied his claim even though his doctors said there is no way he can work and that it's possible he will need a heart transplant. They used some assinine excuse using some worn out rules. He has appealed but the appeal could take up to a year and a half to be determined and in the meantime he has no income. It's a very difficult situation and money worries are such a HUGE stressor for us so I know exactly what you are talking about because I live it too.
I know it's a way to go but maybe it might be worth the effort to go see Cheryl's dentist. He sounds like such a good dentist. If I need another opinion I intend to contact her dentist for it even though I would have to travel to see him for the opinion. It's not always possible to travel for treatment though. There are so many variables and money is number one amongst those as well.
Please don't give up Arleen. I know things are hard right now but they have to get better. You are worth the effort to find help. Just keep hanging in there and any time you need to you come back and post here. We care about you.
Tiffany
Hi sweetie! I'm so sorry to hear things have been so tough for you lately. I know exactly how you feel when you say you are at the end of your rope. I've been there before too. There was one evening when I was so down, in so much pain and so desperate I thought I was going to end my life. I really do understand how you feel. Insurance companies always move slowly in processing pre-approval. Insurance companies are exactly like doctors...they are nothing but blood suckers who feed off their fellow human beings pain and suffering. I don't how they sleep at night. They are always looking for outs to keep from paying claims. I think things are made too easy for them, the wording is made to make it easier to get around and deny claims that are valid claims.
I remember you writing about the woman from work who keeps calling to give you a hard time. Do you have a husband or anyone who can answer the phone and speak to this woman for you? Someone who can let her know how much pain you are in and how much you are suffering. What about your mother, would she be willing to be at your place when this woman calls and speak to her on your behalf? I am just brain storming, trying to come up with some ideas that might help you out. Or, do you have an answering machine and screen all your calls. Don't answer the phone unless you want to speak with whoever is calling or caller ID that shows who is calling you. If your doctor is submitting the proper reports to this woman then she truly has no reason to be calling you adding to your already overloaded stress.
Anybody who has never suffered from TMJ has absolutely no idea how sensitive our ears become to sounds and our eyes to light. I have not been able to successfully convey how much this effects me. I remember you have spoken about your neighbors and their teens music before. Teenagers are known for the most part to be very self-centered and do not try to understand how what they do effects others. Adults don't get how sensitive ours ears get when we suffer with TMJ. I guess we can't expect kids to get it. But that doesn't help you at all I know. When you are suffering all you want to do is get out of pain. I am the exact same way.
I recall you posting about that dentist and them not knowing how much treatment would cost. That made me feel nervous as well. I too am on an extremely tight budget. I have to know what the cost of things are going to be so I can budget it. My husband has a severe heart condition and is no longer able to work. He has applied for Social Security Disability but like all government run programs, they drag their feet. He applied in January and of course they denied his claim even though his doctors said there is no way he can work and that it's possible he will need a heart transplant. They used some assinine excuse using some worn out rules. He has appealed but the appeal could take up to a year and a half to be determined and in the meantime he has no income. It's a very difficult situation and money worries are such a HUGE stressor for us so I know exactly what you are talking about because I live it too.
I know it's a way to go but maybe it might be worth the effort to go see Cheryl's dentist. He sounds like such a good dentist. If I need another opinion I intend to contact her dentist for it even though I would have to travel to see him for the opinion. It's not always possible to travel for treatment though. There are so many variables and money is number one amongst those as well.
Please don't give up Arleen. I know things are hard right now but they have to get better. You are worth the effort to find help. Just keep hanging in there and any time you need to you come back and post here. We care about you.
Tiffany
CherylLynn24
07-09-2003, 01:32 AM
Hi Arleen,
Are you having a better day today...I hope?
Cheryl
Are you having a better day today...I hope?
Cheryl
Arleen
07-09-2003, 01:34 AM
Hi Everyone:
Warning - marathon post ahead. Proceed at own risk :) Thank you all for the good thoughts. I'm still feeling down, but it helps knowing there are people who understand and care, especially because no one except you guys has any idea of how awful this is.
The noise factor makes things much worse. If I'm down, I've usually got my cosy room for sanctuary. But I haven't been able to sit in there because the vibrations get right inside my body. The hair on my arms felt liek it was standing straight up. Tonight I met a friend for coffee, at our usual coffee shop which is pretty quiet. Tonight I was aware of the background music and it bothered me though not as much as the vibrations at home. Last month when we met there, I didn't even notice the music. This is very depressing, as things seem to be getting worse. And then there were those 3-4 days when I had vertigo symptoms. Thankfully that hasn't returned.
Anastasia, Navy, Priscilla - I hope you're having a good day today, and thanks for your kind words. They helped. Navy, glad to hear things are moving along with the neuro dentist. Maybe soon, all your problems will be far behind you :)
Cheryl, Mike, Mr. Cheryl - Thanks as always for your kindness. You're a good friend. Only 3 more days to go!!! I can't wait to hear how Mike's appt goes. I understand about it being scary. You put your hope into a treatment method, and as you get down to the reality of the treatment happening, you worry about whether it will work. There are so many people on this board praying for Mike's speedy recovery, so how can he miss with all this concern. You and Mr. Cheryl are in my thoughts, and I hope you're both doing okay. Mr. Cheryl sounds like someone we can use around the house here, and he fixes cars too! Send him on over. Why don't ya all come. We could sit in the backyard, watching the honeysuckle grow and waiting for the hummingbirds to show up. We could be waiting a long time, based on recent experiences. As far as I know, $275 is for the full exam/xrays/impressions and $4,000 covers the splint, the tracking/tens appt, and adjustment appts. He's taken occlusion I, II & III at LVI, so hopefully he's qualified. You're so lucky that you found a great dentist and a decent, kind person all wrapped up in one. Thanks for asking your husband about my noise problem. I'm eagerly awaiting his comments.
The friend I met coffee tonight always brings me her old copies of Oprah magazine. There is a headset in one column. Says they're noise-cancelling and that they all but erase the noise from a 767 or a lawn mower. Has anybody heard of these, or tried them? They're $300US, but I'd spend it in a flash if it would help.
TC, seems like ages since we've talked. I'm glad your mom is coming along. How are you doing? How's your little fishie enjoying his swimming classes? Once I'm back at work and my finances are back where they should be, I'll start looking for somewhere else to live. It's too bad, because I'm quite comfortable here, plus I contribute to my parents' household. They're retired so this helps them. It's beneficial to both of us. Oh well, I need my sanity back.
Hi Robyn - I'm sorry your gums and teeth are bothering you. I know how awful this is. Maybe Dr. Cooper can explain why it's happening. You must be getting anxious, with Saturday coming up quickly. I'm very excited for you. The names Dr. Cooper gave me were the 2nd and 3rd neuros I saw. I wasn't impressed with the 2nd one. Neuro 3 charges $3,000 up front plus $600 per appt, so I'd have to pay $4,400 just to get to the second appt, and what if I didn't like how it went? Yikes! Thanks for the suggestion about getting to a park, beach etc. I feel so draggy most of the time that it's hard to move anywhere. But I do get to the library. Funny, we both find that a good place. I like to read so going to the library distracts me and gives me some pleasure. I always have a bunch of books on request, although with the TMJD I'm not always able to concentrate to read them. Two little girls sound very sweet. How old?
Diane - hi girlfriend! I miss your presence here and your silly, fun sense of humour. I'm glad you and Al are so very busy, and I imagine there are many more people now walking around with beautiful necklaces, and magnificent glass pieces of art. I have to give the Cleveland thing some thought. I'll try to find out what I can about the neuro I'm seeing on July 21. Good suggestion about the HR person. I've thought about filing a complaint but she sometimes provides me with information I need and because of this, I try to play nicely, but sometimes all the "nonsense" (insert other word here :) just gets to me. How are you doing? Regards to Al.
Hi Tiffany, thanks for your words. I know you've been there. I remember reading one of your posts when you were really low and I was very concerned about you. Are you getting any relief? I don't recall what kind of treatment you're getting. Since I've had TMJD, my mind is mush. I can't remember much of anything and some days my concentration is non-existent.
Anyway, thank you all for being such good friends :angel:
Arleen
Warning - marathon post ahead. Proceed at own risk :) Thank you all for the good thoughts. I'm still feeling down, but it helps knowing there are people who understand and care, especially because no one except you guys has any idea of how awful this is.
The noise factor makes things much worse. If I'm down, I've usually got my cosy room for sanctuary. But I haven't been able to sit in there because the vibrations get right inside my body. The hair on my arms felt liek it was standing straight up. Tonight I met a friend for coffee, at our usual coffee shop which is pretty quiet. Tonight I was aware of the background music and it bothered me though not as much as the vibrations at home. Last month when we met there, I didn't even notice the music. This is very depressing, as things seem to be getting worse. And then there were those 3-4 days when I had vertigo symptoms. Thankfully that hasn't returned.
Anastasia, Navy, Priscilla - I hope you're having a good day today, and thanks for your kind words. They helped. Navy, glad to hear things are moving along with the neuro dentist. Maybe soon, all your problems will be far behind you :)
Cheryl, Mike, Mr. Cheryl - Thanks as always for your kindness. You're a good friend. Only 3 more days to go!!! I can't wait to hear how Mike's appt goes. I understand about it being scary. You put your hope into a treatment method, and as you get down to the reality of the treatment happening, you worry about whether it will work. There are so many people on this board praying for Mike's speedy recovery, so how can he miss with all this concern. You and Mr. Cheryl are in my thoughts, and I hope you're both doing okay. Mr. Cheryl sounds like someone we can use around the house here, and he fixes cars too! Send him on over. Why don't ya all come. We could sit in the backyard, watching the honeysuckle grow and waiting for the hummingbirds to show up. We could be waiting a long time, based on recent experiences. As far as I know, $275 is for the full exam/xrays/impressions and $4,000 covers the splint, the tracking/tens appt, and adjustment appts. He's taken occlusion I, II & III at LVI, so hopefully he's qualified. You're so lucky that you found a great dentist and a decent, kind person all wrapped up in one. Thanks for asking your husband about my noise problem. I'm eagerly awaiting his comments.
The friend I met coffee tonight always brings me her old copies of Oprah magazine. There is a headset in one column. Says they're noise-cancelling and that they all but erase the noise from a 767 or a lawn mower. Has anybody heard of these, or tried them? They're $300US, but I'd spend it in a flash if it would help.
TC, seems like ages since we've talked. I'm glad your mom is coming along. How are you doing? How's your little fishie enjoying his swimming classes? Once I'm back at work and my finances are back where they should be, I'll start looking for somewhere else to live. It's too bad, because I'm quite comfortable here, plus I contribute to my parents' household. They're retired so this helps them. It's beneficial to both of us. Oh well, I need my sanity back.
Hi Robyn - I'm sorry your gums and teeth are bothering you. I know how awful this is. Maybe Dr. Cooper can explain why it's happening. You must be getting anxious, with Saturday coming up quickly. I'm very excited for you. The names Dr. Cooper gave me were the 2nd and 3rd neuros I saw. I wasn't impressed with the 2nd one. Neuro 3 charges $3,000 up front plus $600 per appt, so I'd have to pay $4,400 just to get to the second appt, and what if I didn't like how it went? Yikes! Thanks for the suggestion about getting to a park, beach etc. I feel so draggy most of the time that it's hard to move anywhere. But I do get to the library. Funny, we both find that a good place. I like to read so going to the library distracts me and gives me some pleasure. I always have a bunch of books on request, although with the TMJD I'm not always able to concentrate to read them. Two little girls sound very sweet. How old?
Diane - hi girlfriend! I miss your presence here and your silly, fun sense of humour. I'm glad you and Al are so very busy, and I imagine there are many more people now walking around with beautiful necklaces, and magnificent glass pieces of art. I have to give the Cleveland thing some thought. I'll try to find out what I can about the neuro I'm seeing on July 21. Good suggestion about the HR person. I've thought about filing a complaint but she sometimes provides me with information I need and because of this, I try to play nicely, but sometimes all the "nonsense" (insert other word here :) just gets to me. How are you doing? Regards to Al.
Hi Tiffany, thanks for your words. I know you've been there. I remember reading one of your posts when you were really low and I was very concerned about you. Are you getting any relief? I don't recall what kind of treatment you're getting. Since I've had TMJD, my mind is mush. I can't remember much of anything and some days my concentration is non-existent.
Anyway, thank you all for being such good friends :angel:
Arleen
Arleen
07-09-2003, 01:46 AM
Hi Cheryl:
I just noticed your post about the polystyrene foam. Thank you so much, and be sure to give Mr. Cheryl a big kiss and hug from me :) I'll definitely check this out. I'll want to sneak it in the house, because if the neighbours see me bringing it in, they'll think they can play their music louder since I've got foam on the walls. I don't care how ugly it looks, I just need some peace and quiet. Colour selections - that's a hard one. The blue would match my eyes. And the pink would match all the blood vessels that are ready to pop when I hear the music vibrations. Must think on that. One wall of my room is common to next door. Another wall, has windows that face the busy road (I've thought about putting something there, to block traffic noises. Maybe I need a padded room???
How are you and Mike doing? Are you guys holding up okay with having company? Glad to hear you AC is now back in working order, but it's sure handy having your mom live close by. Must be nearing tens-ing time.
Take care and hugs,
Arleen
I just noticed your post about the polystyrene foam. Thank you so much, and be sure to give Mr. Cheryl a big kiss and hug from me :) I'll definitely check this out. I'll want to sneak it in the house, because if the neighbours see me bringing it in, they'll think they can play their music louder since I've got foam on the walls. I don't care how ugly it looks, I just need some peace and quiet. Colour selections - that's a hard one. The blue would match my eyes. And the pink would match all the blood vessels that are ready to pop when I hear the music vibrations. Must think on that. One wall of my room is common to next door. Another wall, has windows that face the busy road (I've thought about putting something there, to block traffic noises. Maybe I need a padded room???
How are you and Mike doing? Are you guys holding up okay with having company? Glad to hear you AC is now back in working order, but it's sure handy having your mom live close by. Must be nearing tens-ing time.
Take care and hugs,
Arleen
CherylLynn24
07-09-2003, 02:43 AM
Arleen,
How are things going?
Cheryl
How are things going?
Cheryl
Arleen
07-09-2003, 04:25 AM
Cheryl, you are so sweet, and thank you so much for your support. It means a lot. And the same holds true here, anytime you need to talk, I hope you know I'm here for you. Sometimes it's too much to deal with alone.
I'm glad to know my dentist isn't toooo far behind yours, although occlusion I, II and III are his only LVI courses. I'm trying to tell myself that no matter how inexperienced he is, or whatever else might be wrong with him, he is better than a regular dentist who gives me a splint and uses guesswork to adjust it. I must find out for sure if he uses all the machinery at each adjustment. For some reason not all neuros do.
My exam/xray/impressions appt is July 21, much farther away than Mike's, and I've thought several times about what if the splint doesn't work. It's a scary thought. One the one hand, it's hard not to have some sort of hope - especially since your dentist was so careful in getting others' opinions and re-doing the splint. I didn't realize Mike's had 4 other splints. Isn't the expression that the fifth is a charm? (okay, so I made that up, but it's got to be). I've had 3 nightguards and they've all been lousy, and made everything hurt more. I know it's not the same thing as a splint, but I think they didn't work well because the bite in them was off. Perhaps that's what Mike's problem has been with his past splints. This one is a precision piece of finely tuned acrylic (sounds like a sports car). That's got to count for something. I will make sure to say a special prayer for you and Mike and Mr. Cheryl tonight when I go to bed. Can't promise anything because I've been praying so long for my TMJD to go away, and almost 2 years later I'm still waiting for my prayers to be answered. We must have a bad connection somewhere. Maybe I can find a very, very long telephone cord :D
When is your husband's appt? I know you went to speak to someone, but I'm wondering if your husband has talked to anyone? Perhaps a doctor could put him on an antidepressant. It won't help his but may improve his mood. One of the awful dentists I saw had my GP prescribe amitriptylene (I don't think the dentist thought there was anything wrong with me beside depressions). I was so furious and upset after that appt that he didn't believe me. I couldn't imagine how my mood could possibly improve as long as I was dealing with TMJD but figured I had nothing to lose. I took the pills for about a week. Because I have many allergies, I often get weird reactions to drugs. I felt better almost immediately, but had to go off the drugs because it was causing me to clench and grind like crazy. I tried celexa too, with the same result. For the brief time I was on these drugs, having my mood slightly improved help me get from day to day. Have you done any research on alternative medicine treatments? You've probably checked into everything. I hope the surgeon can help your husband. Please tell Mr. Cheryl that I will be doing extra prayers for him. You all sound much too wonderful to have to be dealing with all of this...as if the skunks weren't bad enough :)
And now I must get ready for bed. I hope the neighbours don't start the music early. The last few mornings I've woken up suddently, not from any sound I've heard, but from my body feeling the vibrations from next door. I'll try to get to the home store soon to check the foam out.
Pleasant dreams,
Arleen
I'm glad to know my dentist isn't toooo far behind yours, although occlusion I, II and III are his only LVI courses. I'm trying to tell myself that no matter how inexperienced he is, or whatever else might be wrong with him, he is better than a regular dentist who gives me a splint and uses guesswork to adjust it. I must find out for sure if he uses all the machinery at each adjustment. For some reason not all neuros do.
My exam/xray/impressions appt is July 21, much farther away than Mike's, and I've thought several times about what if the splint doesn't work. It's a scary thought. One the one hand, it's hard not to have some sort of hope - especially since your dentist was so careful in getting others' opinions and re-doing the splint. I didn't realize Mike's had 4 other splints. Isn't the expression that the fifth is a charm? (okay, so I made that up, but it's got to be). I've had 3 nightguards and they've all been lousy, and made everything hurt more. I know it's not the same thing as a splint, but I think they didn't work well because the bite in them was off. Perhaps that's what Mike's problem has been with his past splints. This one is a precision piece of finely tuned acrylic (sounds like a sports car). That's got to count for something. I will make sure to say a special prayer for you and Mike and Mr. Cheryl tonight when I go to bed. Can't promise anything because I've been praying so long for my TMJD to go away, and almost 2 years later I'm still waiting for my prayers to be answered. We must have a bad connection somewhere. Maybe I can find a very, very long telephone cord :D
When is your husband's appt? I know you went to speak to someone, but I'm wondering if your husband has talked to anyone? Perhaps a doctor could put him on an antidepressant. It won't help his but may improve his mood. One of the awful dentists I saw had my GP prescribe amitriptylene (I don't think the dentist thought there was anything wrong with me beside depressions). I was so furious and upset after that appt that he didn't believe me. I couldn't imagine how my mood could possibly improve as long as I was dealing with TMJD but figured I had nothing to lose. I took the pills for about a week. Because I have many allergies, I often get weird reactions to drugs. I felt better almost immediately, but had to go off the drugs because it was causing me to clench and grind like crazy. I tried celexa too, with the same result. For the brief time I was on these drugs, having my mood slightly improved help me get from day to day. Have you done any research on alternative medicine treatments? You've probably checked into everything. I hope the surgeon can help your husband. Please tell Mr. Cheryl that I will be doing extra prayers for him. You all sound much too wonderful to have to be dealing with all of this...as if the skunks weren't bad enough :)
And now I must get ready for bed. I hope the neighbours don't start the music early. The last few mornings I've woken up suddently, not from any sound I've heard, but from my body feeling the vibrations from next door. I'll try to get to the home store soon to check the foam out.
Pleasant dreams,
Arleen
RobynRose
07-09-2003, 10:18 AM
Hi Arleen..
I so hope you are feeling a little better. Wow... so Dr. Coopers referrals were Neruro's 2 & 3 hugh??? Yikes. I know you didn't fit with #2 and #3 sounded like he was one huge marketing blitz! This is so different than Dr.Cooper. I wonder how he knows all these neuros... I'll have to ask hiim, but as I said - he did mention he hesitates making long-distance referrals because he isn't completely clear on the various methods of practice. Hmmmm... Did he know anything about Neuro #1 - the one you are proceeding with??
I am getting a bit nervous about Saturday. With all the discomfort I have in my mouth - I hope I can tolerate the piece of acrlyic in my mouth??? Have you thought about this? Hopefully if it creates the perfect (painless) bite - the mouth soreness will subside??
I will have to ask him why the tissues indside the mouth get traumatized for some of us. I keep wondering if I don't have some infection brewing in the wisdom teeth..or gums. My husband thinks it's just muscle swelling that I'm feeling with the gums and teeth. Isn't it bizzare that tmj can cause this type of symptom??
The noise cancelling headsets.... Yes - I've looked into these (Bose makes a set). I was trying to find something to help me sleep better -- I wake from a pin-drop and hubby snores!! :) When I asked about them at the Bose shop, they told me it was more for use in an airplane --- or to block industrial noise.
I do think they may work for you to block the neighbors vibrations. Do you have a Bose store nearby? You can try them there...and see whay you think. I recall they said it's best to put your own soft music on with them - and this is all you would hear. Let me know.
Your mention of the meds was really interesting. I am currently taking a med called Neurontin - It was prescribed for the daily headaches (took them down a few notches) - but is a drug they are using for multiple purposes these days...including mood enhancement. It's actually indicated for seizure - but is used more for chronic pain and nerve related pain (Cheryl....this may be something for your hubby to consider). Anyway... I thought I'd mention it since the medication topic came up.
Arleen... yes the library is wonderful for escape of noise. Like you, I'm not always able to read due to pain/headache etc. I often just go there and sit with a magazine and gobble up the silence :) Yesterday I dragged myself to the beach (I live very close to a magnificient one). It was so beautiful and quiet --- helped me immensely get throught the day. I find it a good place to pray too....(I included you and all my pals here in the prayers - as always).
My girls are 10 and 13... They are very active happy kids -- attending a performing arts camp this summer and loving it. I look at them soemtimes and remember what life is really all about. I pray some day we will all get back to these joys without the shadow of tmj - and pain in the way!! We will get there --
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RobynR
I so hope you are feeling a little better. Wow... so Dr. Coopers referrals were Neruro's 2 & 3 hugh??? Yikes. I know you didn't fit with #2 and #3 sounded like he was one huge marketing blitz! This is so different than Dr.Cooper. I wonder how he knows all these neuros... I'll have to ask hiim, but as I said - he did mention he hesitates making long-distance referrals because he isn't completely clear on the various methods of practice. Hmmmm... Did he know anything about Neuro #1 - the one you are proceeding with??
I am getting a bit nervous about Saturday. With all the discomfort I have in my mouth - I hope I can tolerate the piece of acrlyic in my mouth??? Have you thought about this? Hopefully if it creates the perfect (painless) bite - the mouth soreness will subside??
I will have to ask him why the tissues indside the mouth get traumatized for some of us. I keep wondering if I don't have some infection brewing in the wisdom teeth..or gums. My husband thinks it's just muscle swelling that I'm feeling with the gums and teeth. Isn't it bizzare that tmj can cause this type of symptom??
The noise cancelling headsets.... Yes - I've looked into these (Bose makes a set). I was trying to find something to help me sleep better -- I wake from a pin-drop and hubby snores!! :) When I asked about them at the Bose shop, they told me it was more for use in an airplane --- or to block industrial noise.
I do think they may work for you to block the neighbors vibrations. Do you have a Bose store nearby? You can try them there...and see whay you think. I recall they said it's best to put your own soft music on with them - and this is all you would hear. Let me know.
Your mention of the meds was really interesting. I am currently taking a med called Neurontin - It was prescribed for the daily headaches (took them down a few notches) - but is a drug they are using for multiple purposes these days...including mood enhancement. It's actually indicated for seizure - but is used more for chronic pain and nerve related pain (Cheryl....this may be something for your hubby to consider). Anyway... I thought I'd mention it since the medication topic came up.
Arleen... yes the library is wonderful for escape of noise. Like you, I'm not always able to read due to pain/headache etc. I often just go there and sit with a magazine and gobble up the silence :) Yesterday I dragged myself to the beach (I live very close to a magnificient one). It was so beautiful and quiet --- helped me immensely get throught the day. I find it a good place to pray too....(I included you and all my pals here in the prayers - as always).
My girls are 10 and 13... They are very active happy kids -- attending a performing arts camp this summer and loving it. I look at them soemtimes and remember what life is really all about. I pray some day we will all get back to these joys without the shadow of tmj - and pain in the way!! We will get there --
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Jill J
07-09-2003, 11:53 AM
((((((Arleen)))))) I hope things start to get better for you.......Jill
Arleen
07-09-2003, 02:04 PM
Hi Robyn & Jill:
How are you both today - hopefully very well and painfree :) Jill, thank you for the big hug and wishes. I'm sending the same to you. I'm sorry, I can't remember how things are going with you and if you're getting some decent treatment. I've seen your name on the board recently but haven't caught up with all the posts. I'd love to hear how you're doing.
Robyn, the headphones you mentioned are the ones I saw in the magazine. Don't know if we have a Bose store here, but somebody should carry them. It'd be great if I could demo them in the store. I'm a nightowl, and go to bed quite late, but get woken early every morning by vibrations from next door. I often don't hear a peep, but all of a sudden I'm awake and the insides of my body feel like they're vibrating. It's a rotten way to start the day, already annoyed and tired before I've even gotten out of bed. Today it was guitar music. One of the teenagers must have a guitar and was practicing. Before I try headphones (they're $$$), I'll check out the foam Cheryl mentioned.
I've tried neurontin. One dentist diagnosed me with atypical odontalgia (wrong!). This is what she does research on and maybe she diagnoses everyone with it. She put me on all kinds of drugs for the pain. On neurontin, I was like a walking vegetable, and the only thing it relaxed was my brain, which stopped performing entirely :) I was still working at the time, and don't know how I managed to do my job. Is it helping you? It doesn't sound at all like your brain has turned to mush :D
Your girls sound sweet. These days I wish I were 10 or 13 again, and I'd love to spend the summer at performing camp. They must be having a ball. Do you go to the beach with them ever? You're lucky to have a nice beach nearby. We've got water a half hour away but it's not a beautiful beach at all. The water is dirty, so I wouldn't swim in it (although people do). I'd like to go to the beach in the Carribean today - something about seeing palm trees and turquoise water is so good for my soul. At least I'm there in my imagination. I hope you have a nice day today, whatever you do.
Hugs,
Arleen
How are you both today - hopefully very well and painfree :) Jill, thank you for the big hug and wishes. I'm sending the same to you. I'm sorry, I can't remember how things are going with you and if you're getting some decent treatment. I've seen your name on the board recently but haven't caught up with all the posts. I'd love to hear how you're doing.
Robyn, the headphones you mentioned are the ones I saw in the magazine. Don't know if we have a Bose store here, but somebody should carry them. It'd be great if I could demo them in the store. I'm a nightowl, and go to bed quite late, but get woken early every morning by vibrations from next door. I often don't hear a peep, but all of a sudden I'm awake and the insides of my body feel like they're vibrating. It's a rotten way to start the day, already annoyed and tired before I've even gotten out of bed. Today it was guitar music. One of the teenagers must have a guitar and was practicing. Before I try headphones (they're $$$), I'll check out the foam Cheryl mentioned.
I've tried neurontin. One dentist diagnosed me with atypical odontalgia (wrong!). This is what she does research on and maybe she diagnoses everyone with it. She put me on all kinds of drugs for the pain. On neurontin, I was like a walking vegetable, and the only thing it relaxed was my brain, which stopped performing entirely :) I was still working at the time, and don't know how I managed to do my job. Is it helping you? It doesn't sound at all like your brain has turned to mush :D
Your girls sound sweet. These days I wish I were 10 or 13 again, and I'd love to spend the summer at performing camp. They must be having a ball. Do you go to the beach with them ever? You're lucky to have a nice beach nearby. We've got water a half hour away but it's not a beautiful beach at all. The water is dirty, so I wouldn't swim in it (although people do). I'd like to go to the beach in the Carribean today - something about seeing palm trees and turquoise water is so good for my soul. At least I'm there in my imagination. I hope you have a nice day today, whatever you do.
Hugs,
Arleen
CherylLynn24
07-09-2003, 05:24 PM
:) :) :) :) :)
totallyconfused
07-09-2003, 08:19 PM
Hi Arleen,
I hope you are having some relief. I wish I was there to talk to those teenagers for you. It might not help, but it would make ME feel better!!
Talk to you later,
TC
I hope you are having some relief. I wish I was there to talk to those teenagers for you. It might not help, but it would make ME feel better!!
Talk to you later,
TC
jafc
07-10-2003, 12:39 AM
Wow, it's nearly impossible to keep up with this board when you're away for a few days!
Arleen, I'm sorry you're so down. I have two thoughts to add:
1) Regarding the pain in the &&& from work, you are in chronic pain. It is a stressful and depressing condition. Her harassing calls add to your stress and are detrimental to your recovery. Maybe you could consider asking your doctor to write a letter to the head of human resources at your company stating that such calls are creating unnecessary stress and are detrimental to your recovery. Because the doctor is providing the required documentation, all communication regarding your recovery and anticipated date of return to work must now go through his office. What do you think?
2) BOSE is a top-notch company and offers an in-home trial for some of its stereo products. Perhaps you could contact them to see if that is available for this headset.
I really feel for you. It can be so hard to go on when there is so much getting you down. Right now, I'm overwhelmed with TMJD treatment (though it's going well, I'm not crazy about the splint, chiro takes lots of time, I don't want to wear braces), I have increasingly frequent migraines, I have chronic back and neck pain and am considering a breast reduction surgery, I probably have sleep apnea, I have gained 50 pounds in the last 10 years, my two kids are highly "spirited" and suck whatever energy that is left in me out, and to top it off, my husband is going through an extremely stressful time at work. I'm sorry --I didn't mean to hijack your post. What I was trying to do was to let you know how much I identify with how you feel because it's so hard to be overwhelmed and yet keep going on day after day after day. If you will, I will, OK? :)
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Judy
Arleen, I'm sorry you're so down. I have two thoughts to add:
1) Regarding the pain in the &&& from work, you are in chronic pain. It is a stressful and depressing condition. Her harassing calls add to your stress and are detrimental to your recovery. Maybe you could consider asking your doctor to write a letter to the head of human resources at your company stating that such calls are creating unnecessary stress and are detrimental to your recovery. Because the doctor is providing the required documentation, all communication regarding your recovery and anticipated date of return to work must now go through his office. What do you think?
2) BOSE is a top-notch company and offers an in-home trial for some of its stereo products. Perhaps you could contact them to see if that is available for this headset.
I really feel for you. It can be so hard to go on when there is so much getting you down. Right now, I'm overwhelmed with TMJD treatment (though it's going well, I'm not crazy about the splint, chiro takes lots of time, I don't want to wear braces), I have increasingly frequent migraines, I have chronic back and neck pain and am considering a breast reduction surgery, I probably have sleep apnea, I have gained 50 pounds in the last 10 years, my two kids are highly "spirited" and suck whatever energy that is left in me out, and to top it off, my husband is going through an extremely stressful time at work. I'm sorry --I didn't mean to hijack your post. What I was trying to do was to let you know how much I identify with how you feel because it's so hard to be overwhelmed and yet keep going on day after day after day. If you will, I will, OK? :)
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Judy
Arleen
07-10-2003, 04:20 AM
Hi Everyone:
I'm feeling better today but still feel down. Thank you all for asking. Plus today I'm annoyed with myself. A while back I went through LVI's grad list, called and booked an appt with a dentist an hour away. He's taken Occlusion I,II,III plus Advanced Aesthetics, Comprehensive Aesthetic Reconstruction, and Full Mouth Reconstruction. I think he's an orthodontist. At the time I was told he's not that extensive in muscle measurements. He didn't sound very promising so I cancelled my appt. Because I'm not entirely sold on the neuro I see July 21, I called this guy's office today to double check things. I asked specifically about his equipment (that doesn't sound very good, does it?) - the office's equipment - he has CMS, EMG and tens, so he must be doing something with them. Maybe he uses them for his ortho patients? I think Cheryl's/Mike's neuro is an ortho?? and I must listen to Cheryl when she tells me not to be put off by that :) The earliest they can get me in for a consult (free) is Aug.8th. :mad: I'm driving myself crazy with all these dentists but it's so important to find the right one. So, what to do? I don't want to pay for an appt on July 21 and then end up switching dentists if this guy's good and have to pay again. But if I don't go to my July 21 appt, and this other guy turns out to be bad, I've missed starting treatment. I think I'm going insane. Anyone want to join me?!
Cheryl, this morning's guitar wasn't plugged into an amp. Thank goodness for small mercies. Who knows what instrument will wake me tomorrow. I'd hoped to check out the foam today, but my parents' car wasn't available. Maybe tomorrow. My car needs work and I've been putting off doing anything in I needed the money for dental appts. I've decided to get it fixed because whichever dentist I see, they're a distance away. The noise laws here are very lax, almost non-existent. The neighbour on the other side hears the noise too, but is afraid of these neighbours. One of them threatened to kill him, if you can believe that. He called the police. I don't live in a bad part of town, where you might expect this kind of thing to happen. He now believes they do things to taunt him. One day he was sitting in his backyard with company, and the bad neighbours were watering their garden, and watered him too...and said it was an accident. Today the weather was nice so I spent time outdoors, but it's a shame that I'm forced out of my home.
My teeth and gums haven't been great. Thank you for your concern. Maybe I've been grinding away at my current nightguard which is shifting everything and causing more pain. My first nightguard was a lower, of very hard acrylic. This was not long after my problems started, but even then my top teeth hurt. I told the dentist I was concerned about having a lower guard when it was the top teeth that hurt. I tried it for several nights but when my already sore top teeth hit it, they hurt so much that I couldn't wear it. The next was was an upper, of softer material. By this point my teeth and gums were throbbing so wearing the nightguard hurt. It also didn't include my wisdom teeth. I don't know if that affected the height of my wisdom teeth or not, because I still used them for chewing so they shouldn't have erupted. They're a bit high but may always have been like that. My current nightguard is soft rubbery material, upper. This was made by the dentist who stopped fitting me into her schedule so I had to adjust it myself. It isn't good, but it's the most comfortable of the 3. I know it's causing some (if not all) of the tooth and gum pain but if I don't wear anything, I grind and my teeth hurt more. It's a mess. I'm sure I'd be in better shape if I had a decent nightguard.
How are things with you? Is Mike getting excited, nervous about Friday? Boy, he's got a full day planned. You absolutely must post on Friday and let us know how everything went (after you've had a nice long nap). I think he gets his other problem checked out Friday too or have I got that wrong? Poor kid. Poor, exhausted mummy. I hope you're taking good care of yourself, getting enough sleep, eating good foods, doing things you enjoy. I know you're busy taking care of everyone else and worried about so many things, but I hope you're not neglecting yourself.
You asked about the insurance - I haven't heard anythign yet. Let's hope the dentist's office finally submitted it. I like your idea of splints as Christmas tree ornaments. If splint #5 works, having the other splints on the tree will certainly remind you of what you have to be thankful for. Mind you, it will make for the ugliest Christmas tree you ever did see.
TC, how are you today? How's your sweet son doing, splish splashing around the pool. When you come by to talk to those bad teenagers next door, we can sit in the backyard and watch the flowers grow. Will that be coffee, or tea? Let me go boil the kettle.
Judy, sorry you're also having a difficult time. Why is it that everything seems to come all at the same time, as if TMJD wasn't enough on its own? Boy, you've got a lot to deal with, and you've got a deal, I'll continue on if you will :) thanks! I like your idea of a letter from the doctor to the head of HR. If she continues to bother me, I'll consider it. Her calls do add to my stress level, and it hurts to talk. Of course, this is what she's paid to do, to harrass me right back into the workplace, as soon as possible. I called Bose today, got a recording, but will try again tomorrow to find out where they're sold near me. A home trial would be great.
About the migraines, at some point someone recommended I see Dr. Friedman in N.Y.(Scarsdale or Westchester?) for TMJD. I didn't see him but he developed this contraption which sends a flow of cold water into the the mouth. The cooling of the upper gums alleviated migraines in many of his patients. I may have my details slightly confused as it's been a while. He was written up in a number of newspapers and magazines because of his invention. I'm thinking even putting ice cubes in the areas he mentions may bring you pain relief.
And now off to bed I go. Pleasant dreams to everyone, and many, many hugs.
Arleen
[Edited to remove suggestive characters for bad words. Please use the similies or other better choice words to express the emotion of disappointment or anger. See the mad simile that is inserted as an example - adjust or change this as you would like. Thanks - Well-come Moderator.]
[This message has been edited by Well-come (edited 07-10-2003).]
I'm feeling better today but still feel down. Thank you all for asking. Plus today I'm annoyed with myself. A while back I went through LVI's grad list, called and booked an appt with a dentist an hour away. He's taken Occlusion I,II,III plus Advanced Aesthetics, Comprehensive Aesthetic Reconstruction, and Full Mouth Reconstruction. I think he's an orthodontist. At the time I was told he's not that extensive in muscle measurements. He didn't sound very promising so I cancelled my appt. Because I'm not entirely sold on the neuro I see July 21, I called this guy's office today to double check things. I asked specifically about his equipment (that doesn't sound very good, does it?) - the office's equipment - he has CMS, EMG and tens, so he must be doing something with them. Maybe he uses them for his ortho patients? I think Cheryl's/Mike's neuro is an ortho?? and I must listen to Cheryl when she tells me not to be put off by that :) The earliest they can get me in for a consult (free) is Aug.8th. :mad: I'm driving myself crazy with all these dentists but it's so important to find the right one. So, what to do? I don't want to pay for an appt on July 21 and then end up switching dentists if this guy's good and have to pay again. But if I don't go to my July 21 appt, and this other guy turns out to be bad, I've missed starting treatment. I think I'm going insane. Anyone want to join me?!
Cheryl, this morning's guitar wasn't plugged into an amp. Thank goodness for small mercies. Who knows what instrument will wake me tomorrow. I'd hoped to check out the foam today, but my parents' car wasn't available. Maybe tomorrow. My car needs work and I've been putting off doing anything in I needed the money for dental appts. I've decided to get it fixed because whichever dentist I see, they're a distance away. The noise laws here are very lax, almost non-existent. The neighbour on the other side hears the noise too, but is afraid of these neighbours. One of them threatened to kill him, if you can believe that. He called the police. I don't live in a bad part of town, where you might expect this kind of thing to happen. He now believes they do things to taunt him. One day he was sitting in his backyard with company, and the bad neighbours were watering their garden, and watered him too...and said it was an accident. Today the weather was nice so I spent time outdoors, but it's a shame that I'm forced out of my home.
My teeth and gums haven't been great. Thank you for your concern. Maybe I've been grinding away at my current nightguard which is shifting everything and causing more pain. My first nightguard was a lower, of very hard acrylic. This was not long after my problems started, but even then my top teeth hurt. I told the dentist I was concerned about having a lower guard when it was the top teeth that hurt. I tried it for several nights but when my already sore top teeth hit it, they hurt so much that I couldn't wear it. The next was was an upper, of softer material. By this point my teeth and gums were throbbing so wearing the nightguard hurt. It also didn't include my wisdom teeth. I don't know if that affected the height of my wisdom teeth or not, because I still used them for chewing so they shouldn't have erupted. They're a bit high but may always have been like that. My current nightguard is soft rubbery material, upper. This was made by the dentist who stopped fitting me into her schedule so I had to adjust it myself. It isn't good, but it's the most comfortable of the 3. I know it's causing some (if not all) of the tooth and gum pain but if I don't wear anything, I grind and my teeth hurt more. It's a mess. I'm sure I'd be in better shape if I had a decent nightguard.
How are things with you? Is Mike getting excited, nervous about Friday? Boy, he's got a full day planned. You absolutely must post on Friday and let us know how everything went (after you've had a nice long nap). I think he gets his other problem checked out Friday too or have I got that wrong? Poor kid. Poor, exhausted mummy. I hope you're taking good care of yourself, getting enough sleep, eating good foods, doing things you enjoy. I know you're busy taking care of everyone else and worried about so many things, but I hope you're not neglecting yourself.
You asked about the insurance - I haven't heard anythign yet. Let's hope the dentist's office finally submitted it. I like your idea of splints as Christmas tree ornaments. If splint #5 works, having the other splints on the tree will certainly remind you of what you have to be thankful for. Mind you, it will make for the ugliest Christmas tree you ever did see.
TC, how are you today? How's your sweet son doing, splish splashing around the pool. When you come by to talk to those bad teenagers next door, we can sit in the backyard and watch the flowers grow. Will that be coffee, or tea? Let me go boil the kettle.
Judy, sorry you're also having a difficult time. Why is it that everything seems to come all at the same time, as if TMJD wasn't enough on its own? Boy, you've got a lot to deal with, and you've got a deal, I'll continue on if you will :) thanks! I like your idea of a letter from the doctor to the head of HR. If she continues to bother me, I'll consider it. Her calls do add to my stress level, and it hurts to talk. Of course, this is what she's paid to do, to harrass me right back into the workplace, as soon as possible. I called Bose today, got a recording, but will try again tomorrow to find out where they're sold near me. A home trial would be great.
About the migraines, at some point someone recommended I see Dr. Friedman in N.Y.(Scarsdale or Westchester?) for TMJD. I didn't see him but he developed this contraption which sends a flow of cold water into the the mouth. The cooling of the upper gums alleviated migraines in many of his patients. I may have my details slightly confused as it's been a while. He was written up in a number of newspapers and magazines because of his invention. I'm thinking even putting ice cubes in the areas he mentions may bring you pain relief.
And now off to bed I go. Pleasant dreams to everyone, and many, many hugs.
Arleen
[Edited to remove suggestive characters for bad words. Please use the similies or other better choice words to express the emotion of disappointment or anger. See the mad simile that is inserted as an example - adjust or change this as you would like. Thanks - Well-come Moderator.]
[This message has been edited by Well-come (edited 07-10-2003).]
CherylLynn24
07-10-2003, 04:43 AM
Hi Arleen,
I hope you awake to silence...not band music. I'll talk with you tomorrow. Try not to be down, help is a short ways down the road.
Take Care,
Cheryl
I hope you awake to silence...not band music. I'll talk with you tomorrow. Try not to be down, help is a short ways down the road.
Take Care,
Cheryl