SherryA
12-21-2001, 09:59 AM
I keep hearing low carb and want to know how you all acomplish this. If I take away my carbs , it pretty much leaves me with ZILCH. What do you people eat? I think I would be willing to try this if I could come up with some reasonable choices. I 'm a pretty high carb type person, and don't know of anything I eat that isn't LOADED with them.
Please give me some ideas on what I can eat.
Thanks
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Please give me some ideas on what I can eat.
Thanks
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orion
12-21-2001, 01:39 PM
You can eat any kind of protein like eggs, fish, red meat, chicken or nuts. Almost any kind of vegetables (except potatoes, and yams). You can have lots of fat loaded dressings or condiments and lots of whipped cream but not milk. You can't eat diet foods that substitute sugar for fat, but you can eat diet jello, and diet drinks (though some people find diet drinks make it harder to lose weight).
So for breakfast you can have ham/bacon and eggs (small piece of toast if you need it). For lunch you can have chicken salad (lots of mayonnaise) on a bed of lettuce with sliced tomatoes, cucumbers and deviled eggs. For an afternoon snack have some mixed nuts and a diet soft drink. For dinner, how about butter pan fried fish, caesar salad and diet jello with plenty of whipped cream topping. Note that its important to have fat in your diet because your body converts fat to sugar for your brain to function. Eat until you are full, but not stuffed. Within a few days you will find your desire for sugar will disappear.
The next day you can have a cheese omlette for breakfast, hamburger with double lettuce and tomato from McDonald's on half a bun (just throw the bottom away and use a knife and fork to eat it [or both halves if you can]) for lunch, and for dinner how about a nice club house salad (sliced tomatoes, romaine lettuce, celery, shaved ham, sliced chicken mixed together with lots of mayonnaise).
After 2 weeks you can add back in some carbos starting with fresh fruits which can be your desert with whipped topping. But you can't make a meal of fruit, it's just a treat.
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So for breakfast you can have ham/bacon and eggs (small piece of toast if you need it). For lunch you can have chicken salad (lots of mayonnaise) on a bed of lettuce with sliced tomatoes, cucumbers and deviled eggs. For an afternoon snack have some mixed nuts and a diet soft drink. For dinner, how about butter pan fried fish, caesar salad and diet jello with plenty of whipped cream topping. Note that its important to have fat in your diet because your body converts fat to sugar for your brain to function. Eat until you are full, but not stuffed. Within a few days you will find your desire for sugar will disappear.
The next day you can have a cheese omlette for breakfast, hamburger with double lettuce and tomato from McDonald's on half a bun (just throw the bottom away and use a knife and fork to eat it [or both halves if you can]) for lunch, and for dinner how about a nice club house salad (sliced tomatoes, romaine lettuce, celery, shaved ham, sliced chicken mixed together with lots of mayonnaise).
After 2 weeks you can add back in some carbos starting with fresh fruits which can be your desert with whipped topping. But you can't make a meal of fruit, it's just a treat.
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magnolia
12-21-2001, 05:42 PM
put in "gycemic index" in you web search engines... there are several good sites with the listings of they types of food that you can eat and those that you can abstain from... not really a diet but a change in the way you look at food at the best way to lose weight without feeling deprived or to make special accomodations...for faster weight loss eliminate all bread, rice, potatoes, cookies from the very beginning....best wishes
SherryA
12-21-2001, 06:07 PM
Boy,
It all sounds good, but how can you be eating all that fat, and still be losing?????? This is so confusing to me. I've been going really low fat. How does low carbing compare to low fat?
It all sounds good, but how can you be eating all that fat, and still be losing?????? This is so confusing to me. I've been going really low fat. How does low carbing compare to low fat?
orion
12-21-2001, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by SherryA:
Boy,
It all sounds good, but how can you be eating all that fat, and still be losing?????? This is so confusing to me. I've been going really low fat. How does low carbing compare to low fat?
Eating fat does not make you fat, but eating sugar will. Sugar triggers insulin, and insulin is used to cause energy storage and it increases your appetite for more sugar. Fat is also a less efficient fuel than sugar because fat has to be converted first to sugar before it can be used by your brain. The conversion costs calories and so 1 calorie of sugar is not the same as one calorie of fat. Eating fat also decreases your desire for food (as long as its not combined with sugar!!). Eating fat and sugar really puts on the pounds.
Try it, you might like it and you can lose weight as well. After all, low fat diets have only resulted in more fat people (strange huh?).
Boy,
It all sounds good, but how can you be eating all that fat, and still be losing?????? This is so confusing to me. I've been going really low fat. How does low carbing compare to low fat?
Eating fat does not make you fat, but eating sugar will. Sugar triggers insulin, and insulin is used to cause energy storage and it increases your appetite for more sugar. Fat is also a less efficient fuel than sugar because fat has to be converted first to sugar before it can be used by your brain. The conversion costs calories and so 1 calorie of sugar is not the same as one calorie of fat. Eating fat also decreases your desire for food (as long as its not combined with sugar!!). Eating fat and sugar really puts on the pounds.
Try it, you might like it and you can lose weight as well. After all, low fat diets have only resulted in more fat people (strange huh?).
magnolia
12-22-2001, 12:29 AM
it is like i mentioned earlier, a whole new way of looking at the way we eat... i finally had to put it in a nutshell to better understand... carbs convert to sugar...carbs and sugar are fine for energy....however if you do not use the carbs and sugar for energy then they are converted to fat...think of the typical number of servings of carbs and sugars the average person probably eats in one day...bread or biscuit as part of their morning breakfast...a doughnut or crackers for morning snack...buns or sandwich bread at lunch....candy bar for afternoon snack...and then the big dinner of a roll, tater or rice, and something that has been breaded and fried...in that one day, the average person has consumed 7 or more servings of carbs and sugar in one day...now have a protein shake or hame and cheese omelette for breakfast, forget the morning snack, have a salad with chicken or cut up your hamburger beef over shredded lettuce, forgot the evening snack, and for dinner have your fish, chicken , meat, broiled or baked, (with frying it is not the oil that is bad but the flour on the food) with your choice of vegs listed on a glycemic index list and then number of carbs/sugars consumed daily drops dramatically...i love my dinner meat with a piece of cheese and that is all... i have been on every prescription diet pill in the past, losing up to 11 lbs in one week, have a life time membership in nutrisystem, have tried every over the counter remedy...and yes i have lost alot of weight between all of those...but everytime i quit the pills or diet, i would gain the weight back and even more....in the past few years i developed a condition in which the diet pills no longer had an effect on me due to a change in my brain chemistry, also due to my medical condition i am not allowed to have anything that may put me in a hyper mood...also i am more aware of the dangers of alot of the over the counter weight loss products....i gained quite of bit of weight in the past few years and now was the time to take it off in a reasonable manner and in a very doable manner...using the glycemic index is one of the easiest ways to choose the right foods...i have lost 30 pounds in 5 months without feeling that i am being deprived in any way...if i have a slice of domino's pizza on dominos night then i just make sure that i really pay attention to my carbs and sugars the next day...i am not a fruit or veggie person as such so i do not have to worry about eating alot of furits or veggies with this...my cholesterol is normal so eating more meats is no biggie for me, but i do eat alot of lean meats and chicken...also i noticed that when i had a hamburger with a bun about 2 months of not eating bread that i could not stand the taste or texture of the bun and had to take it apart to finish eating...also notice that i no longer snack anymore as not consuming the sugar i do not have to worry about the highs and crashes that sugar produces that often lead to snacking to begin with...well anyway, just do not look at it as a diet but as a change in the way that you view food....now i know if i added more exercise and more water that i would have lost more weight faster...but nay, i know the weight did not come on quickly so therefore i have no anticipations of losing it quickly...oh yes, there is one way that i cheat everyday...i am not a breakfast eater, no way...so after my morning coffee, i drink a can of slimfast which has about 40 grams of carbs...but i have realized that i have to have breakfast in order to jumpstart my metabolism each morning....so best wishes to you and just time your time with it....
SherryA
12-24-2001, 01:52 PM
O.K. , Iv'e been doing this for a few days, and it's not too bad. I probably am a little high on the carbs, but have cut way back. I have lost another pound! I did have a bad day when I was baking for Christmas, but I jumped right back on the wagon and am really trying my best. My downfall is the snacks. Can anyone suggest some snacks I can eat that are simple. Please don't say don't snack, because I haven't made it to that point yet. If I take away too much at once, I will give up. I've been eating peanuts, but I just don't feel good about all the fat in them. Please give me more ideas.
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magnolia
12-25-2001, 12:39 AM
happy that this way of eating seems to be helping you as it has me...since we are not allowed to list any web addresses please do a search for glycemic index and you will find plenty of sites that offer the following info: The key is to eat little of those foods with a high glycemic index and more of those foods with a low index.
High GI Foods
The following foods are considered unacceptable:
Foods containing sugar, honey, molasses, & corn syrup.
Fruits - bananas, watermelon, pineapple, raisins
Vegetables - potatoes, corn, carrots, beets, turnips, parsnips
Breads - all white breads, all white flour products, corn breads
Grains - rice, rice products, millet, corn, corn products
Pasta - thick, large pasta shapes
Cereals - all cereals except those on the Low GI List below
Snacks - potato chips, corn chips, popcorn, rice cakes, pretzels
Alcohol - beer, liqueurs, all liquor except red wine
Low GI Foods
Foods sweetened with saccharin, aspartame, fructose
All meats
All dairy products (no sugars)
Fruits - all except the High GI fruits above
Vegetables - all except the High GI vegetables above
Breads - whole rye, pumpernickel, whole wheat pita
Grains - barley, bulgar, kasha
Pasta - thin stands, whole wheat pasta, bean threads
Cereals - Special K, All Bran, Fiber One, regular oatmeal
Snacks - nuts, olives, cheese, pita chips, fried pork rinds
Alcohol - red wine
Misc - olives, eggs, peanut butter (no sugar)
Snacks, Misc
Corn Chips 70
Fried Pork Rinds OK
Olives OK
Peanuts 10
Peanut M&M's 32
Popcorn 56
Potato Chips 55
Pretzels 82
Rice Cakes 77
Rich Tea Cookies 56
Vanilla Wafers 77
Sample Snacks & Desserts
Any of the low GI fruit is an acceptable snack as long as it is consumed by itself, at least 1/2 hour before a meal or several hours after a meal.
rye crisp bread, cheese
quesadillas (whole wheat tortilla, shredded cheese, microwaved, folded), salsa
olives
sugar-free ice cream, puddings, jello
whole wheat pita chips, hummus dip
yogurt (without sugars)
peanuts, almonds, pecans, etc.
hard boiled eggs or deviled eggs
personally, for me, i snack on things like a piece of sausage or sandwich meat or pickle wrapped in a cheese slice....ok to snack by all means, just try to change the way that you identify snack foods...a snack is really a mini-meal, does not have to be sweet, just something to get rid of the hunger pangs is all...did you know that eating a dill pickle will help diminish a craving for a sweet??? and isn't it neat that we can throw away the rice cakes and have fried pork rinds instead!!!! just keep a check on your cholesterol level during your physical exams...good luck!!!
High GI Foods
The following foods are considered unacceptable:
Foods containing sugar, honey, molasses, & corn syrup.
Fruits - bananas, watermelon, pineapple, raisins
Vegetables - potatoes, corn, carrots, beets, turnips, parsnips
Breads - all white breads, all white flour products, corn breads
Grains - rice, rice products, millet, corn, corn products
Pasta - thick, large pasta shapes
Cereals - all cereals except those on the Low GI List below
Snacks - potato chips, corn chips, popcorn, rice cakes, pretzels
Alcohol - beer, liqueurs, all liquor except red wine
Low GI Foods
Foods sweetened with saccharin, aspartame, fructose
All meats
All dairy products (no sugars)
Fruits - all except the High GI fruits above
Vegetables - all except the High GI vegetables above
Breads - whole rye, pumpernickel, whole wheat pita
Grains - barley, bulgar, kasha
Pasta - thin stands, whole wheat pasta, bean threads
Cereals - Special K, All Bran, Fiber One, regular oatmeal
Snacks - nuts, olives, cheese, pita chips, fried pork rinds
Alcohol - red wine
Misc - olives, eggs, peanut butter (no sugar)
Snacks, Misc
Corn Chips 70
Fried Pork Rinds OK
Olives OK
Peanuts 10
Peanut M&M's 32
Popcorn 56
Potato Chips 55
Pretzels 82
Rice Cakes 77
Rich Tea Cookies 56
Vanilla Wafers 77
Sample Snacks & Desserts
Any of the low GI fruit is an acceptable snack as long as it is consumed by itself, at least 1/2 hour before a meal or several hours after a meal.
rye crisp bread, cheese
quesadillas (whole wheat tortilla, shredded cheese, microwaved, folded), salsa
olives
sugar-free ice cream, puddings, jello
whole wheat pita chips, hummus dip
yogurt (without sugars)
peanuts, almonds, pecans, etc.
hard boiled eggs or deviled eggs
personally, for me, i snack on things like a piece of sausage or sandwich meat or pickle wrapped in a cheese slice....ok to snack by all means, just try to change the way that you identify snack foods...a snack is really a mini-meal, does not have to be sweet, just something to get rid of the hunger pangs is all...did you know that eating a dill pickle will help diminish a craving for a sweet??? and isn't it neat that we can throw away the rice cakes and have fried pork rinds instead!!!! just keep a check on your cholesterol level during your physical exams...good luck!!!
SherryA
12-29-2001, 11:30 AM
Thanks for the snack list, it gave me some good ideas. What type of meats are acceptable and should the always be grilled, or are other ways OK?
I getting into the groove of this and have lost some weight, and am adjusting to the lifestyle!!!!!!!
I getting into the groove of this and have lost some weight, and am adjusting to the lifestyle!!!!!!!
magnolia
12-30-2001, 02:30 AM
all meats are fine...however if you have a problem and need to limit your salt content then be careful of the sodium in meats...even "fresh beef" at wally-world is now being sold with a 20% brine solution, which means a salt solution...remember it is not the fried chicken that is bad for you on this way of eating but the breading or flour on your fried chicken...now not too many meats taste good without that breading when you fry it, so you really don't have to worry about deep fat frying anyway...sauteeing, baking, broiling, grilling and even pan frying is fine....and when you eat out, forget the fast food places and go for buffet, the price is about the same anyway, and you can rather well without worrying about the breads and the sugars...keep up the good work...for me, i am now back on the treadmill every other day and still need to drink more water....and i am glad that i posted the previous message about the gycemic index of certain foods as i had forgotten about those carrots being bad boys for us!!! lol
GreenTea
12-30-2001, 01:45 PM
Is low carb eating the Atkins diet? Or is that something different?
And if you stop the low carb diet, will the weight come back quickly?
And if you stop the low carb diet, will the weight come back quickly?
magnolia
12-30-2001, 07:16 PM
the basis premise of the atkins diet is putting your body in a state of ketosis, which according to some sources may have a harmful effect on your body, especially long term ketosis...and since carbs cause weight gain, then just like the atkins diet, once you start eating carbs and sugars like you did before, then of course the weight will come back...same actually with any diet, once you regain your old eating habits back, then yes, the weight will come back on as well...the reason that low carbing works well with me is that it requires very little effort, if i screw up and eat a slice of pizza or candy bar, no big deal, i will just do better the next day...best wishes
action
01-01-2002, 09:03 PM
I have been low carbing since 19 September (vividly remember the chronic indigestion following celebration birthday dinner!). Was too scared to weigh myself so have no idea what I have lost but I know I have lost something as people have noticed! Also can sit in the car without the steering wheel being directed by my tummy and *eureka* managed to sit in an aircraft seat with space to spare on the belt!!! I dont quite fit into the size 16 jeans but I am working on it!
I am a vego so this is really a hard course for me to follow - eggs, cheese, tofu, some meat substitutes seem to be mainly "it". I ate "normally" over Christmas when I was away from home - back came the indigestion, chronic tiredness, gerd, bloatedness - all those nasty feelings I had avoided for 3 months! It took me a couple of LC days to get over the carb induced lethargy which would have seen me having snoozes at all hours of the day!
I most enjoy the strawberries and cream! Having tried virtually every other diet known to man and successfully yo-yoed my way for the past 50 years I can say that this is the easiest thing for me to do and I feel so much better while I do it!
Angela
PS Dont forget lots and lots of water!!!!!!!!
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I am a vego so this is really a hard course for me to follow - eggs, cheese, tofu, some meat substitutes seem to be mainly "it". I ate "normally" over Christmas when I was away from home - back came the indigestion, chronic tiredness, gerd, bloatedness - all those nasty feelings I had avoided for 3 months! It took me a couple of LC days to get over the carb induced lethargy which would have seen me having snoozes at all hours of the day!
I most enjoy the strawberries and cream! Having tried virtually every other diet known to man and successfully yo-yoed my way for the past 50 years I can say that this is the easiest thing for me to do and I feel so much better while I do it!
Angela
PS Dont forget lots and lots of water!!!!!!!!
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SherryA
01-02-2002, 09:14 AM
action,
How do you prepare your tofu? I really seem to like it when I get it at a restaurant. but whenever I try to cook it, YUCK!!!!!!!
Any suggestions?
How do you prepare your tofu? I really seem to like it when I get it at a restaurant. but whenever I try to cook it, YUCK!!!!!!!
Any suggestions?
action
01-02-2002, 09:20 AM
We can get "flavoured" tofu (satay, thai, japanese etc)which I grill on one of the health grill pans. Has a much nicer, more rubbery texture than the plain old bland stuff. If I use the regular stuff (in the pre LC days) I would always fry it first until golden brown and then put it in a satay or sweet and sour sauce. Cant say that it's my favourite food but it's good for protein and doesnt have gluten in it so it has to be a winner for me!
Angela
Angela
SherryA
01-02-2002, 04:32 PM
I haven't seen any flavored Tofu here in the states. Does anyone know if we have it here?
Also , what can the expierienced low carbers tell me about condiments. I can read one site and it says some of them are higher in carbs, and others where they are saying they are lower. can anyone give me a basic overview of some of the more popular condiments and dressings?
Thanks
Also , what can the expierienced low carbers tell me about condiments. I can read one site and it says some of them are higher in carbs, and others where they are saying they are lower. can anyone give me a basic overview of some of the more popular condiments and dressings?
Thanks
action
01-02-2002, 05:16 PM
I try and avoid condiments like sauce but go with salad dressings - mayo, vinaigrette etc.
There is a site called fitday (http://www.fitday.com) where you can plug in what you eat and it will give you a count of proteins, carbs, fats etc - it's like a journal entry which does your calculations for you. That would tell you what is good for LCing and what not!
I cant believe that Aussie has something that the US doesnt - I bet you can find flavoured tofu somewhere :)
ANgela
There is a site called fitday (http://www.fitday.com) where you can plug in what you eat and it will give you a count of proteins, carbs, fats etc - it's like a journal entry which does your calculations for you. That would tell you what is good for LCing and what not!
I cant believe that Aussie has something that the US doesnt - I bet you can find flavoured tofu somewhere :)
ANgela
magnolia
01-02-2002, 09:25 PM
great website!!! already logged in and for today, i logged my food intake as well as activites...also went ahead and added foods that i normally eat to double check the carbs in them...thanks for the info!!!
Scooter
01-03-2002, 12:52 PM
As far as this low carb thing goes, how many carbs a day (like in grams per serving) should be the limit?
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SherryA
01-03-2002, 01:51 PM
I'm going to that site when I leave here. Thanks for the info.
I to would like to know if there is a "number" of carbs you shouldn't go over. I am still cheating, but I figure one step at a time. I know I did between 500-1000 carbs a day before easily. I guess I do around 200 a day now(mostly because of snacking), but I figure this is way better then before. I'm trying to work my way down, but it is hard sometimes.
I to would like to know if there is a "number" of carbs you shouldn't go over. I am still cheating, but I figure one step at a time. I know I did between 500-1000 carbs a day before easily. I guess I do around 200 a day now(mostly because of snacking), but I figure this is way better then before. I'm trying to work my way down, but it is hard sometimes.
arkie6
01-03-2002, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by SherryA:
...I to would like to know if there is a "number" of carbs you shouldn't go over.
Dr. Atkins recommends a limit of 20 grams of digestible carbohydrate per day during his two week induction phase of the diet to purge your system of glycogen, get you into ketosis, and to kill the cravings for carbohydrates (which it does quite well if you follow it). The Eades in "Protein Power" recommend a limit of 30 grams of digestible carbs (all the carbs minus the fiber which is not digestible) per day during what they call the intervention phase. Again, this is to kill the carbohydrate cravings. After the intial phases on both plans, you can gradually increase carbs a little as long as you are still losing fat. Most people can typically go to 50-60 grams per day during the maintenance phase of the diet.
I am still cheating, but I figure one step at a time. I know I did between 500-1000 carbs a day before easily.
Are you sure? That's like 2000-4000 calories per day of carbohydrates (4 calories per gram of carbohydrate). Didn't you eat any protein or fat also?
I guess I do around 200 a day now(mostly because of snacking), but I figure this is way better then before. I'm trying to work my way down, but it is hard sometimes.
That is still quite a few carbs. Like I said earlier, if you go cold turkey on the high carbohydrate foods for a week or so, it will kill the cravings for them and make it easier to stick to the diet. Have you gotten any of the low carb diet books and read them? You really owe it to yourself to check one out and understand what all those carbs are doing to your body, both externally and internally. Dr. Atkins book "Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution" is easy to read and follow. The Eades book "Protein Power" discusses more of the biochemistry behind why the diet works, but is still fairly easy to read. Both of these paperback books are available at just about any bookstore or discount store such as Wal-Mart for less than $10.
Alan
...I to would like to know if there is a "number" of carbs you shouldn't go over.
Dr. Atkins recommends a limit of 20 grams of digestible carbohydrate per day during his two week induction phase of the diet to purge your system of glycogen, get you into ketosis, and to kill the cravings for carbohydrates (which it does quite well if you follow it). The Eades in "Protein Power" recommend a limit of 30 grams of digestible carbs (all the carbs minus the fiber which is not digestible) per day during what they call the intervention phase. Again, this is to kill the carbohydrate cravings. After the intial phases on both plans, you can gradually increase carbs a little as long as you are still losing fat. Most people can typically go to 50-60 grams per day during the maintenance phase of the diet.
I am still cheating, but I figure one step at a time. I know I did between 500-1000 carbs a day before easily.
Are you sure? That's like 2000-4000 calories per day of carbohydrates (4 calories per gram of carbohydrate). Didn't you eat any protein or fat also?
I guess I do around 200 a day now(mostly because of snacking), but I figure this is way better then before. I'm trying to work my way down, but it is hard sometimes.
That is still quite a few carbs. Like I said earlier, if you go cold turkey on the high carbohydrate foods for a week or so, it will kill the cravings for them and make it easier to stick to the diet. Have you gotten any of the low carb diet books and read them? You really owe it to yourself to check one out and understand what all those carbs are doing to your body, both externally and internally. Dr. Atkins book "Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution" is easy to read and follow. The Eades book "Protein Power" discusses more of the biochemistry behind why the diet works, but is still fairly easy to read. Both of these paperback books are available at just about any bookstore or discount store such as Wal-Mart for less than $10.
Alan
magnolia
01-03-2002, 09:21 PM
you gotta love that fit.com website that was posted by action!!! i do low carbing/low glycemic...yesterday i did a total of 1538 calories, 82 grams of carbs, & 100 grams of protein...today,and i am through eating for the day, is a total of 616 calories, 44 grams of carbs, and 65 grams of protein...those tacos is what did me in yesterday with the carb count...but i have to have my tacos at least once a week..i am really surprised at the calorie count as i do not look at calories anymore just the carbs...the biggest carb count (40 grams) for me is the slimfast drink i have each morning to jumpstart my metabolism as i am not a breakfast person...well, back to the question about the number of carbs each day, excluding the atkins diet which is pretty strict, i read somewhere that keeping your carb count around 60 a day is a good thing, and you are right, in the pre-low-carb/low-glycemic it was very easy to go over 500 grams a carb a day...think i will go back to fit.com and put in a day's worth of food that i use to eat just to see how many grams of carbs a day i was taking in...everyone is different and no one diet is going to work with everyone...i have finally decided that what works with me is the low carbing/low glycemic that allows me to lose weight without feeling so deprived...best wishes
magnolia
01-03-2002, 09:42 PM
i am sooooo embarassed...a year and a half ago I ate 3748 calories in a day with 427 grams of carbs!!!! aarrrggghhh!!! i was such a carb junkie!!!! i am sooo glad those days are over!!!!
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SherryA
01-04-2002, 01:05 PM
Arkie,
My statement about the carbs I use to eat was sad but true. I was truly addicted. I would start my day with a whole box of Cheezit's (literally). I hardly ever ate meat, although I did eat alot of veggies. I also had a big stuffed potato for lunch or dinner, and stuff like pancakes or waffles for the dinner or lunch, whichever I didn't eat the potato for. My snacks consisted of pizza or bowls of popcorn, and tons of cookies . I don't know how I didn't fall over dead. People couldn't believe I wasn't obese or had any health problems. My cholesterol and all bloodwork was fine and I had low blood pressure. That in itself was amazing , because I loaded everything with salt, and used to get up in the middle of the night to eat candy bars. This low carbing has been a BIG step for me. 200 is really a big drop and yesterday I did around 100, so I'm feeling good about that even though it's still more than I should be getting. I'm really trying to cut the cheating but it is hard, but considering how I ate amonth ago, and how I eat now, I think I'm doing pretty good.
Does the fact that I didn't go cold turkey at first, and then ad back in carbs, screw me up? I think I might have quit if I had to do it that way.
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My statement about the carbs I use to eat was sad but true. I was truly addicted. I would start my day with a whole box of Cheezit's (literally). I hardly ever ate meat, although I did eat alot of veggies. I also had a big stuffed potato for lunch or dinner, and stuff like pancakes or waffles for the dinner or lunch, whichever I didn't eat the potato for. My snacks consisted of pizza or bowls of popcorn, and tons of cookies . I don't know how I didn't fall over dead. People couldn't believe I wasn't obese or had any health problems. My cholesterol and all bloodwork was fine and I had low blood pressure. That in itself was amazing , because I loaded everything with salt, and used to get up in the middle of the night to eat candy bars. This low carbing has been a BIG step for me. 200 is really a big drop and yesterday I did around 100, so I'm feeling good about that even though it's still more than I should be getting. I'm really trying to cut the cheating but it is hard, but considering how I ate amonth ago, and how I eat now, I think I'm doing pretty good.
Does the fact that I didn't go cold turkey at first, and then ad back in carbs, screw me up? I think I might have quit if I had to do it that way.
[This message has been edited by SherryA (edited 01-04-2002).]
blondiebiker
01-04-2002, 02:02 PM
just wondered if you are throwing in some good reading to help you along. :) I see a lot of great posts but wonder what diet you are on. I am not a big fan of Atkins because I see so many going back to being heavy.
I do reccomend "the zone diet" because it is so good in helping to level insulin levels. I also like the "carbohydrate addict" diet book. These are things you can live with. Maybe some can live the rest of their life on atkins, but I can not. I know everyone is different and different things work for different people. just wanted to throw some good reading your way.
GOOD LUCK and DONT give up.
I do reccomend "the zone diet" because it is so good in helping to level insulin levels. I also like the "carbohydrate addict" diet book. These are things you can live with. Maybe some can live the rest of their life on atkins, but I can not. I know everyone is different and different things work for different people. just wanted to throw some good reading your way.
GOOD LUCK and DONT give up.
Aphrodite
01-05-2002, 02:51 AM
You all seem to know a lot about different kinds of diets. If one of them worked, then you would have been able to stop there without learning another diet, and another, and another.......
So, here's a friendly suggestion to try. The only proven method is to burn more calories than what you take in, so that your body uses what you eat and then uses what's in your fat reserves. This technique is free, effective, healthy, and controlled solely by you. So, be the master of your universe by eating smaller portions of whatever you want (denying yourself only leads to cravings and calorie hording by your body) and forcing your body to use it, rather than keep it. Anything else will only set you up for disappointment. When it comes to weight loss, your body is not as complicated as everyone trying to sell you something would have you believe. It's proven, burn more than you take in and you will lose (and keep it off)!!!
I promise.
Aphrodite
So, here's a friendly suggestion to try. The only proven method is to burn more calories than what you take in, so that your body uses what you eat and then uses what's in your fat reserves. This technique is free, effective, healthy, and controlled solely by you. So, be the master of your universe by eating smaller portions of whatever you want (denying yourself only leads to cravings and calorie hording by your body) and forcing your body to use it, rather than keep it. Anything else will only set you up for disappointment. When it comes to weight loss, your body is not as complicated as everyone trying to sell you something would have you believe. It's proven, burn more than you take in and you will lose (and keep it off)!!!
I promise.
Aphrodite
SherryA
01-05-2002, 12:43 PM
Aphrodite,
I AM burning more calories then I am taking in with my lo-carbing. You ever notice how many calories are in pancakes and cookies, and flavored crackers???
Just a note, everyone that is lo-carbing isn't doing Atkin's. I personally am just cuuting the carbs back, nothing extreme.
By the way if this works I will stop searching . You don't know what works until you try!!!!!!!
I AM burning more calories then I am taking in with my lo-carbing. You ever notice how many calories are in pancakes and cookies, and flavored crackers???
Just a note, everyone that is lo-carbing isn't doing Atkin's. I personally am just cuuting the carbs back, nothing extreme.
By the way if this works I will stop searching . You don't know what works until you try!!!!!!!
blondiebiker
01-05-2002, 02:45 PM
lo carbing is not horrible as it could be most are just eating way too much anyway and carbs are a fast easy fill and much cheaper than eating a healthy well balanced diet.
as for researching lots of diets. I don't know about the rest of the people on the boards but I personally just like keeping up on the latest since I have a degree in exercise science with a nutrition minor, i just enjoy reading it all to see what they will come up with next.
everyone is different and whatever works for them works for them and you won't be able to make them believe any other way. I think most things are okay if you have researched to the point you know what you are truley doing to your body and not just blindly following something.
I think many would just rather be thin and not worry about the effects on their thyroid, gall bladder, liver and kidneys. These things in your body can be affected by dieting but if just learning to change a lifestyle of bad food and binging then hoooray you are probably improving.
Lo-carbing is okay if you are bringing youself to a normal area of carbs which most are way overboard on how much they eat in this area.
My comment about atkins is that it is too drastic a cut in carbs for most and a unrealistic lifestyle.
whatever works for you is great if you keep it off and feel healthy and check out healthy with your doc.
As for all the eat whatever fat you want everything is good in moderation. To say eat as much fat you want is not a good thing.
Research research research. Not just the diets, but nutrition as to how bodies break down eveything etc. There are a few on the boards that do have quite a bit of knowledge.
you wouldn't go blindly into a surgery without researching (i hope) so do the same with the fuel you are putting in your body, or pills etc.
good luck to all and peace.
remember the boards are set up to be helpful, not argue and everyone has their own opinion or this world would be very boring.
peace
as for researching lots of diets. I don't know about the rest of the people on the boards but I personally just like keeping up on the latest since I have a degree in exercise science with a nutrition minor, i just enjoy reading it all to see what they will come up with next.
everyone is different and whatever works for them works for them and you won't be able to make them believe any other way. I think most things are okay if you have researched to the point you know what you are truley doing to your body and not just blindly following something.
I think many would just rather be thin and not worry about the effects on their thyroid, gall bladder, liver and kidneys. These things in your body can be affected by dieting but if just learning to change a lifestyle of bad food and binging then hoooray you are probably improving.
Lo-carbing is okay if you are bringing youself to a normal area of carbs which most are way overboard on how much they eat in this area.
My comment about atkins is that it is too drastic a cut in carbs for most and a unrealistic lifestyle.
whatever works for you is great if you keep it off and feel healthy and check out healthy with your doc.
As for all the eat whatever fat you want everything is good in moderation. To say eat as much fat you want is not a good thing.
Research research research. Not just the diets, but nutrition as to how bodies break down eveything etc. There are a few on the boards that do have quite a bit of knowledge.
you wouldn't go blindly into a surgery without researching (i hope) so do the same with the fuel you are putting in your body, or pills etc.
good luck to all and peace.
remember the boards are set up to be helpful, not argue and everyone has their own opinion or this world would be very boring.
peace
SherryA
01-05-2002, 07:52 PM
I agree!
arkie6
01-06-2002, 01:03 AM
Originally posted by Aphrodite:
You all seem to know a lot about different kinds of diets. If one of them worked, then you would have been able to stop there without learning another diet, and another, and another.......
So, here's a friendly suggestion to try. The only proven method is to burn more calories than what you take in, so that your body uses what you eat and then uses what's in your fat reserves. This technique is free, effective, healthy, and controlled solely by you. So, be the master of your universe by eating smaller portions of whatever you want (denying yourself only leads to cravings and calorie hording by your body) and forcing your body to use it, rather than keep it. Anything else will only set you up for disappointment. When it comes to weight loss, your body is not as complicated as everyone trying to sell you something would have you believe. It's proven, burn more than you take in and you will lose (and keep it off)!!!
I promise.
Aphrodite
Hello Aphrodite,
I see you are new here and also from Arkansas. This fellow "Arkie" wishes to welcome you to Healthboards.
But regarding diet, I have to respectfully disagree. If it were as simple as you describe, over 50% of the population wouldn't be overweight and heart disease and diabetes wouldn't be rising at epidemic proportions. The calorie theory works fine if you are describing a purely thermodynamic process such as a steam engine, but it ain't worth a flip at describing all of the interactions in the human body.
All calories are not equal. Some are used for fuel, some are used for cell building and repair, and some get flushed down the toilet. Take ketosis for instance. This is where your body breaks down fatty acids for fuel, but some of the byproducts (ketones) are excreted in the urine or breath. These excreted ketones result in only about 60% of the energy from fat being utilized. So while fat may have 9 calories per gram when burned in a calorimeter, your body may only be able to get 5 calories of usable fuel from it. A similar thing occurs with protein. For protein to be used as a fuel, it has to be converted to glucose and this requires energy to be expended in the conversion process so you get effectively less than 4 calories per gram of usable energy from protein. But carbohydrates are a different story. Your body is very efficient at burning or storing carbohydrates. If you take in 1 gram of pure carbohydrate, you either get 4 calories of fuel or it gets stored as 4 calories of equivalent fat. And to compound matters, carbohydrate consumption raises insulin levels. And elevated insulin levels inhibit fat metabolism. These two points about insulin aren't even debatable, it's a fact.
So even if you are eating few calories, but a high percentage of carbohydrates, you may still have difficulty losing fat. Low protein consumption can result in muscle wasting. So, if you are following a typically recommended diet for weight loss - a low calorie, low fat (and consequently low protein because foods containing protein also usually contain fair amounts of fat) high carbohydrate diet then you may very well lose weight, but it may be mostly muscle rather than fat which just sets you up for rebound weight gain. But what you regain will likely be fat, not muscle.
And I have found that nibbling on treats which are high in carbohydrates just makes my carbohydrate cravings worse. The only thing that I have found that works to eliminate carbohydrate cravings is to go cold turkey on the high sugar and starchy foods and eat plenty of quality proteins, fats, and vegetables to satisfy my hunger. I know that many people, women in particular, have a hard time with the concept of going cold turkey on the high carb foods. It's like giving up an old friend that was always there to provide comfort in times of need. But while it may have felt comforting to eat these foods (probably due in part to the serotonin release associated with carbohydrate consumption), in the long run it damages your health and can create some pretty negative emotions associated with weight gain.
A good low carbohydrate diet that emphasizes whole natural foods is in my opinion the most effective and healthy way to lose fat and maintain a desirable weight. An excellent and inexpensive book on the subject is "Protein Power" by Dr. Michael and Mary Dan Eades, originally from Little Rock, AR.
Sorry for the long post. I didn't realize I had typed so much until I went back and read it.
Alan
You all seem to know a lot about different kinds of diets. If one of them worked, then you would have been able to stop there without learning another diet, and another, and another.......
So, here's a friendly suggestion to try. The only proven method is to burn more calories than what you take in, so that your body uses what you eat and then uses what's in your fat reserves. This technique is free, effective, healthy, and controlled solely by you. So, be the master of your universe by eating smaller portions of whatever you want (denying yourself only leads to cravings and calorie hording by your body) and forcing your body to use it, rather than keep it. Anything else will only set you up for disappointment. When it comes to weight loss, your body is not as complicated as everyone trying to sell you something would have you believe. It's proven, burn more than you take in and you will lose (and keep it off)!!!
I promise.
Aphrodite
Hello Aphrodite,
I see you are new here and also from Arkansas. This fellow "Arkie" wishes to welcome you to Healthboards.
But regarding diet, I have to respectfully disagree. If it were as simple as you describe, over 50% of the population wouldn't be overweight and heart disease and diabetes wouldn't be rising at epidemic proportions. The calorie theory works fine if you are describing a purely thermodynamic process such as a steam engine, but it ain't worth a flip at describing all of the interactions in the human body.
All calories are not equal. Some are used for fuel, some are used for cell building and repair, and some get flushed down the toilet. Take ketosis for instance. This is where your body breaks down fatty acids for fuel, but some of the byproducts (ketones) are excreted in the urine or breath. These excreted ketones result in only about 60% of the energy from fat being utilized. So while fat may have 9 calories per gram when burned in a calorimeter, your body may only be able to get 5 calories of usable fuel from it. A similar thing occurs with protein. For protein to be used as a fuel, it has to be converted to glucose and this requires energy to be expended in the conversion process so you get effectively less than 4 calories per gram of usable energy from protein. But carbohydrates are a different story. Your body is very efficient at burning or storing carbohydrates. If you take in 1 gram of pure carbohydrate, you either get 4 calories of fuel or it gets stored as 4 calories of equivalent fat. And to compound matters, carbohydrate consumption raises insulin levels. And elevated insulin levels inhibit fat metabolism. These two points about insulin aren't even debatable, it's a fact.
So even if you are eating few calories, but a high percentage of carbohydrates, you may still have difficulty losing fat. Low protein consumption can result in muscle wasting. So, if you are following a typically recommended diet for weight loss - a low calorie, low fat (and consequently low protein because foods containing protein also usually contain fair amounts of fat) high carbohydrate diet then you may very well lose weight, but it may be mostly muscle rather than fat which just sets you up for rebound weight gain. But what you regain will likely be fat, not muscle.
And I have found that nibbling on treats which are high in carbohydrates just makes my carbohydrate cravings worse. The only thing that I have found that works to eliminate carbohydrate cravings is to go cold turkey on the high sugar and starchy foods and eat plenty of quality proteins, fats, and vegetables to satisfy my hunger. I know that many people, women in particular, have a hard time with the concept of going cold turkey on the high carb foods. It's like giving up an old friend that was always there to provide comfort in times of need. But while it may have felt comforting to eat these foods (probably due in part to the serotonin release associated with carbohydrate consumption), in the long run it damages your health and can create some pretty negative emotions associated with weight gain.
A good low carbohydrate diet that emphasizes whole natural foods is in my opinion the most effective and healthy way to lose fat and maintain a desirable weight. An excellent and inexpensive book on the subject is "Protein Power" by Dr. Michael and Mary Dan Eades, originally from Little Rock, AR.
Sorry for the long post. I didn't realize I had typed so much until I went back and read it.
Alan
ShiftyEyedd
01-11-2002, 07:12 AM
What has happened is that fat was the scapegoat for years, and now it has switched to carbs (the low carb craze actually happened years back when a couple of guys were stuck in alaska, and ate only protein and blubber, mostly no carbs, and gained no fat)
fat, protein, carbs..........they will all add fat to your body if you eat more than you burn in a day..
the reason that carbs have such an impact is that they cause a spike in insulin levels, which can lead to weight gain.
Low carb does work, if done right though.........your body wants to use carbs for energy, if those carbs aren't there, it next goes to fat....as fat is a better conversion than protein........but not enough calories from fat or carbs? then the body will eat up protein.......which is not efficient (and costly)
The main problem that I see with people going on these low carb diets is that they think it gives them an opportunity to go crazy with what they eat in the meat department. You may still lose weight eating fatty ribs, bacon, and sausage as your main meals.....and snacking on fried pork rhinds.....but remember........these things are still chock full of saturated fats, and salt, etc.......that will have a negative effect on your arteries.
stick to chicken breasts, fish, salmon (or mackerel, or kippered snacks, or sardines....to get your omega 3 fatty acids) and green leafy veggies as your main source of carbs...
I would recommend doing
(this is for a man, so adjust accordingly for females)
day 1....150g carbs
day 2+3 ...60-100 carbs
day 4 ...300-350 carbs(a sort of cheat day, that I will explain in a second)
day 5 repeat from day 1..
what this will do is keep your body "guessing" after a few days of going low carb you will get into a sort of starvation mode (hesitate to use that word, but for lack of a better one)....and your body will adjust to it, and you will slow down in how you burn fat. It takes the body 3-4 days before it begins to adjust.........that is what the cheat day is....it makes the body think it is going back to normal, and wont set you in this mode.........so you will have 3 days of fat burning, and one day where you will stay pretty much normal.....but in the long run, you will lost more fat..
Stay away from those ultra low 20g or carbs a day diets.....they work for a while, but you will eventually hit the wall.
also, make sure that on your low carb days, you are doing as many activities as you can, because the calories that you are burning up, are straight from your fat stores!
fat, protein, carbs..........they will all add fat to your body if you eat more than you burn in a day..
the reason that carbs have such an impact is that they cause a spike in insulin levels, which can lead to weight gain.
Low carb does work, if done right though.........your body wants to use carbs for energy, if those carbs aren't there, it next goes to fat....as fat is a better conversion than protein........but not enough calories from fat or carbs? then the body will eat up protein.......which is not efficient (and costly)
The main problem that I see with people going on these low carb diets is that they think it gives them an opportunity to go crazy with what they eat in the meat department. You may still lose weight eating fatty ribs, bacon, and sausage as your main meals.....and snacking on fried pork rhinds.....but remember........these things are still chock full of saturated fats, and salt, etc.......that will have a negative effect on your arteries.
stick to chicken breasts, fish, salmon (or mackerel, or kippered snacks, or sardines....to get your omega 3 fatty acids) and green leafy veggies as your main source of carbs...
I would recommend doing
(this is for a man, so adjust accordingly for females)
day 1....150g carbs
day 2+3 ...60-100 carbs
day 4 ...300-350 carbs(a sort of cheat day, that I will explain in a second)
day 5 repeat from day 1..
what this will do is keep your body "guessing" after a few days of going low carb you will get into a sort of starvation mode (hesitate to use that word, but for lack of a better one)....and your body will adjust to it, and you will slow down in how you burn fat. It takes the body 3-4 days before it begins to adjust.........that is what the cheat day is....it makes the body think it is going back to normal, and wont set you in this mode.........so you will have 3 days of fat burning, and one day where you will stay pretty much normal.....but in the long run, you will lost more fat..
Stay away from those ultra low 20g or carbs a day diets.....they work for a while, but you will eventually hit the wall.
also, make sure that on your low carb days, you are doing as many activities as you can, because the calories that you are burning up, are straight from your fat stores!
SherryA
01-11-2002, 09:30 AM
Good suggestion. I kind of do it your way, only my numbers are a bit lower because I am a woman. I must admit I do have some days where the carbs are below 20, but they are usually just by accident. I try and cut a bit of fat out also, because I don't beleive in eating all the fat you want. I just do things like using less butter( I use soy butter, which has just as much fat, but they are more of the healthy fats), and just using a bit of the fatty condiments instead of the"as much as you want theory. Don't get me wrong, there are those days when I need to have something wonderful, and will have the fat, but I try to keep it down. I use a salt substitue when cooking, but that is as much as I really cut back with the salt.
arkie6
01-11-2002, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by SherryA:
.. I use soy butter, which has just as much fat, but they are more of the healthy fats...
Soy is far from being a healthy food. Soybean oil is high in Omega 6 fats. While this is an essential fatty acid, it needs to be balanced with the Omega 3s. Most people eat way to many Omega 6 fats and not nearly enough Omega 3 fats resulting in typical ratios of 20:1 or greater when 1:1 or 3:1 would be better. Anything made from grain or seed is going to be high in Omega 6 fats. You would be much better off eating real butter than some fake butter made with soy. Not to mention the fact that soy can cause many health problems including lowered thyroid hormone output, which if you are trying to loose weight, is the last thing you want (the thyroid hormones regulate metabolism).
Don't believe all that ho hah about saturated fats being unhealthy. The case against natural saturated fats is flimsy at best, downright fraudulent at its worst.
Alan
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.. I use soy butter, which has just as much fat, but they are more of the healthy fats...
Soy is far from being a healthy food. Soybean oil is high in Omega 6 fats. While this is an essential fatty acid, it needs to be balanced with the Omega 3s. Most people eat way to many Omega 6 fats and not nearly enough Omega 3 fats resulting in typical ratios of 20:1 or greater when 1:1 or 3:1 would be better. Anything made from grain or seed is going to be high in Omega 6 fats. You would be much better off eating real butter than some fake butter made with soy. Not to mention the fact that soy can cause many health problems including lowered thyroid hormone output, which if you are trying to loose weight, is the last thing you want (the thyroid hormones regulate metabolism).
Don't believe all that ho hah about saturated fats being unhealthy. The case against natural saturated fats is flimsy at best, downright fraudulent at its worst.
Alan
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Carol
01-12-2002, 01:29 PM
Ok, I am giving it a shot today. No bread! I don't know how i will survive!!!!!!!!!! I LIVE for pasta!!!!!!!!!!!! Wish me luck!
SherryA
01-14-2002, 01:08 AM
Arkie,
I'm not saying that I eat soy butter sandwiches day and night, just that when I do use it for greasing the pan and stuff, I use it because the fat content has more healthy fats. All you have to do is read the nutrition label to find this out. It lists saturated, polyunsaturated,and monounsaturated. It can easily be compared to regular. You don't need to do any heavy reading , just look at the labels
I'm not saying that I eat soy butter sandwiches day and night, just that when I do use it for greasing the pan and stuff, I use it because the fat content has more healthy fats. All you have to do is read the nutrition label to find this out. It lists saturated, polyunsaturated,and monounsaturated. It can easily be compared to regular. You don't need to do any heavy reading , just look at the labels
arkie6
01-15-2002, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by SherryA:
Arkie,
I'm not saying that I eat soy butter sandwiches day and night, just that when I do use it for greasing the pan and stuff, I use it because the fat content has more healthy fats. All you have to do is read the nutrition label to find this out. It lists saturated, polyunsaturated,and monounsaturated. It can easily be compared to regular. You don't need to do any heavy reading , just look at the labels
Contrary to what the government and so called health authorities recommend, the more saturated a fat is, the more healthy it is, assuming it is natural. And the less polyunsaturated it is, the better. Monounsaturates are kinda nuetral. They have their benefits, but also their drawbacks when heated. Polyunsaturates greatly increase your bodies need for antioxidants. They even add Vitamin E to soybean oil to keep it from spoiling. Not to mention all of the solvents (typically hexane) used to extract the oil from the beans.
Here is just a short excerpt from an article that I gathered off the net after doing a quick www.google.com (http://www.google.com) search:
"Polyunsaturated oils are bad for us in other ways. They are chemically unstable, owing to their content of fatty acids with energetic double and triple bonds that tend to react with oxygen, resulting in toxic compounds that can damage DNA and cell membranes, promoting cancer, inflammation, and degenerative changes in tissue. Moreover, when unsaturated fatty acids are heated or treated with chemical solvents and bleaches, they tend to deform from a natural curved shape (called cis-configuration) to an unnatural jointed shape (called the trans-configuration). Trans-fatty acids, or TFA's, may be extremely toxic, even though medical scientists have been very slow to recognize the danger. The body builds cell membranes out of cis-fatty acids and also uses them in synthetic pathways for hormones. We do not know what it does with TFA's; if it tries to use them in the same ways, the result might be defective membranes and hormones. Remember that TFA's are rarely found in nature, only fats that have been subjected to unusual chemical and physical treatment. You can avoid any danger by eliminating from the diet all margarine and solid vegetable shortening and products made from them, all products listing "partially hydrogenated" oil of any kind on the label, and all commercial brands of polyunsaturated vegetable oils (corn, soy, sesame, sunflower and safflower), since these have been extracted with heat and solvents that promote the formation of TFA's"
So, tell us the quantities of fats in that soy butter. I'm sure it is low in saturated fat and high in polyunsaturates. Next to partially hydrogenated vegetable oil, this is probably one of the worst things you can put in your body. Of course the labels on the products are going to recommend that their product is healthy - they are trying to sell it based on some bogus health claims - Marketing 101.
Butter is better.
Alan
Arkie,
I'm not saying that I eat soy butter sandwiches day and night, just that when I do use it for greasing the pan and stuff, I use it because the fat content has more healthy fats. All you have to do is read the nutrition label to find this out. It lists saturated, polyunsaturated,and monounsaturated. It can easily be compared to regular. You don't need to do any heavy reading , just look at the labels
Contrary to what the government and so called health authorities recommend, the more saturated a fat is, the more healthy it is, assuming it is natural. And the less polyunsaturated it is, the better. Monounsaturates are kinda nuetral. They have their benefits, but also their drawbacks when heated. Polyunsaturates greatly increase your bodies need for antioxidants. They even add Vitamin E to soybean oil to keep it from spoiling. Not to mention all of the solvents (typically hexane) used to extract the oil from the beans.
Here is just a short excerpt from an article that I gathered off the net after doing a quick www.google.com (http://www.google.com) search:
"Polyunsaturated oils are bad for us in other ways. They are chemically unstable, owing to their content of fatty acids with energetic double and triple bonds that tend to react with oxygen, resulting in toxic compounds that can damage DNA and cell membranes, promoting cancer, inflammation, and degenerative changes in tissue. Moreover, when unsaturated fatty acids are heated or treated with chemical solvents and bleaches, they tend to deform from a natural curved shape (called cis-configuration) to an unnatural jointed shape (called the trans-configuration). Trans-fatty acids, or TFA's, may be extremely toxic, even though medical scientists have been very slow to recognize the danger. The body builds cell membranes out of cis-fatty acids and also uses them in synthetic pathways for hormones. We do not know what it does with TFA's; if it tries to use them in the same ways, the result might be defective membranes and hormones. Remember that TFA's are rarely found in nature, only fats that have been subjected to unusual chemical and physical treatment. You can avoid any danger by eliminating from the diet all margarine and solid vegetable shortening and products made from them, all products listing "partially hydrogenated" oil of any kind on the label, and all commercial brands of polyunsaturated vegetable oils (corn, soy, sesame, sunflower and safflower), since these have been extracted with heat and solvents that promote the formation of TFA's"
So, tell us the quantities of fats in that soy butter. I'm sure it is low in saturated fat and high in polyunsaturates. Next to partially hydrogenated vegetable oil, this is probably one of the worst things you can put in your body. Of course the labels on the products are going to recommend that their product is healthy - they are trying to sell it based on some bogus health claims - Marketing 101.
Butter is better.
Alan
mid20sguy
01-15-2002, 07:16 PM
I posted this in another thread, but I'll mention it here. Don't be too concerned about following a low carb diet. We've always been told that carbs burn too quickly and get converted to fat if not used. As a result of hearing this, a lot of people have been conditioned to think carbs are bad if you want to lose weight. But no matter who you are or whether you're on a diet or not, 30% of your calories should come from carbs. The important issue when it comes to carbs is time. Your metabolism is at it's highest during the day and slows down in the evening. A high carb breakfast will you give you energy to start the day right. Lunch should also be high in carbs but after that, you should try to avoid them, though a small amount won't hurt. Also, try to do a cardio workout in the morning on an empty stomach. Excess carbs you had the night before will be converted to fat while you sleep and working out in the morning will help burn those calories and keep your metabolism up for a short while after your workout is done. Whatever you do, don't fall into that trap that a low carb diet is good for you. The key with any diet is balance.
SherryA
01-16-2002, 10:02 AM
Arkie,
Actually, my soy butter doesn't claim anything on it's label. It's quite subdued.
Oh yeah, I'm not in MATH 101, I'm in Diet class. Thank's for allllllllllllllll your information . We all know how much you like quoting everything you read about!
Actually, my soy butter doesn't claim anything on it's label. It's quite subdued.
Oh yeah, I'm not in MATH 101, I'm in Diet class. Thank's for allllllllllllllll your information . We all know how much you like quoting everything you read about!
SherryA
01-16-2002, 10:04 AM
Mid 20's guy,
Very good thought on the carbs earlier in the day. I will definately keep this in mind from now on.
Sherry
Very good thought on the carbs earlier in the day. I will definately keep this in mind from now on.
Sherry
arkie6
01-16-2002, 06:58 PM
The concern with carbohydrates is the quality and the quantity and how much they affect your insulin levels, period. If you want to lose weight, you will need to lower your insulin levels either through carbohydrate restriction, calorie restriction, exercise, or a combination of the three. Carbohydrate restriction with moderate exercise appears to get the best long term results because people are more likely to remain on it for the long haul. Once you get used to a low carb diet, it is fairly easy. And it is really not that restrictive once you learn the hang of it.
The problem with eating carbohdyrates early in the day, especially for someone that puts on weight easily and is likely hyperinsulinemic to some degree (it's a genetic thing), is that it will raise insulin levels which will promote hunger again within 2-3 hours.
Alan
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The problem with eating carbohdyrates early in the day, especially for someone that puts on weight easily and is likely hyperinsulinemic to some degree (it's a genetic thing), is that it will raise insulin levels which will promote hunger again within 2-3 hours.
Alan
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midnightrider
03-13-2003, 11:21 AM
In the beginning you wanted to know what to eat-- I follow the zone 4 block and eat plenty!! 2 slices wonder whole wheat low fat bread, a clementine, a small bunch of grapes for the carbs. 4 egg whites scrambled with 1 oz low fat mozzarella cheese and 3 slices of turkey bacon for the protien , and olive oil in the pan for the fat. For lunch i will have tuna on 3 triscuits, a whole apple sliced up, a small salad and a macadamia nut. You are encouraged to make low fat choices-- but sometimes its nice to have a little measured amount of ice cream and only half a apple, you have to look at the label and figure out how much to eat-- nine carbs of ice cream is sometimes so nice!!