crowsun1964
12-07-2002, 05:44 PM
:wave: Just wanted to find anyone else who has BPD and ages, when diagnosed, SI, depression anything you want to talk about...thanks
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blue cloud
12-09-2002, 06:36 AM
welcome to the boards crowsun :wave:
as you can see there are quite a few of us here with BPD but i am sure they will all be along soon to introduce themselves.
im a 20 year old female who has been dianosed with many things but they settled on BPD about a year ago but who knows it could change again http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif
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as you can see there are quite a few of us here with BPD but i am sure they will all be along soon to introduce themselves.
im a 20 year old female who has been dianosed with many things but they settled on BPD about a year ago but who knows it could change again http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif
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love and bubbles blue
carjol
12-18-2002, 05:03 PM
Hi there Crow Sun, I'm brand new to these boards. I saw your post on the 'Mental Health' Board and saw they moved it to this one. I guess I'll be going back and forth between the two.
Question: what is 'SI' ?
I was originally said to be Borderline Personality in Feb 1997, which I sure was. That was right on the nail. It was pure Hell most of the time. I just didn't like most people. People stupidity really bugged me. It was very hard. I was Married to the most easy going Man and even he could only take so much insanity. He divorced me two years later. I had a complete breakdown in 1999 and qualified for Social Security Disability which I've been on for more than 3 years now, mainly for "MAJOR DEPRESSION." I just now this past September started to be Happy again and I turned 45 that month too! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/dance.gif Turns out I am doing very well in my own little world all by myself, just me and my Cat Fillmore. I'm even starting to be creative again and listening to music again. It's been a long long time. It's turning out that I won't be a confused mess for the rest of my Life after all! This is incredible! I'm just such a freak and a misfit. I don't get along with society at all. It's best that I be left alone. In 1999 I was told I am also Schizoid, Schizotypal, Schizoaffective, Post Traumatic Stress Disorders among others. Which is also all right on the nail. I think I have a Happy ending here. Thanks to a very smart Psychiatrist who know Meds. I was first given Paxil in 1997. The Paxil has helped like crazy on the Death Anxiety I used to suffer. And then in 1999 I was given Seroquel to help with tolerating people. Thats worked really well also.
I hope I've been of help.
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Question: what is 'SI' ?
I was originally said to be Borderline Personality in Feb 1997, which I sure was. That was right on the nail. It was pure Hell most of the time. I just didn't like most people. People stupidity really bugged me. It was very hard. I was Married to the most easy going Man and even he could only take so much insanity. He divorced me two years later. I had a complete breakdown in 1999 and qualified for Social Security Disability which I've been on for more than 3 years now, mainly for "MAJOR DEPRESSION." I just now this past September started to be Happy again and I turned 45 that month too! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/dance.gif Turns out I am doing very well in my own little world all by myself, just me and my Cat Fillmore. I'm even starting to be creative again and listening to music again. It's been a long long time. It's turning out that I won't be a confused mess for the rest of my Life after all! This is incredible! I'm just such a freak and a misfit. I don't get along with society at all. It's best that I be left alone. In 1999 I was told I am also Schizoid, Schizotypal, Schizoaffective, Post Traumatic Stress Disorders among others. Which is also all right on the nail. I think I have a Happy ending here. Thanks to a very smart Psychiatrist who know Meds. I was first given Paxil in 1997. The Paxil has helped like crazy on the Death Anxiety I used to suffer. And then in 1999 I was given Seroquel to help with tolerating people. Thats worked really well also.
I hope I've been of help.
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blue cloud
12-20-2002, 08:25 AM
hiya carjol and a very warm welcome to you too :wave:
SI is self injery also known as self harm or self mutilation there is a board here for that also
most people hop between the different boards sometimes it is difficult to keep up with myself :D
well i hope you both find as much care and support that i have found here and have a good christmas
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SI is self injery also known as self harm or self mutilation there is a board here for that also
most people hop between the different boards sometimes it is difficult to keep up with myself :D
well i hope you both find as much care and support that i have found here and have a good christmas
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love and bubbles blue
Kaitie
01-07-2003, 05:32 PM
Hi and Welcome...
I'm a 20 year old female (like Blue) and have been diagnosed with Borderline. It's a roller coaster ride for sure.
My mom laughs when I say "People don't like me because they think I'm too hard to handle" and she says "You ARE hard to handle!" It's funny - but sad in a way....
I've got a VERY loving and understanding boyfriend of three years. He lives with my quirks and loves me for me.
I've gone through some pretty ugly and dangerous stages of SI but I haven't done it in a while - so if you ever need support there - you could ask. In helping others - like on this board - I often find that I'm helping myself.
I went to my psychologist the other day and said "Okay - this is big, so be warned!" and he was like "Okay..." and I said "Things have settled down! I'm not crazy happy and I'm not totally peeved - people at school are liking me, and I'm liking them!"
There are good moments - thankfully, but I know I'm always very close to temper tantrum stage (even at this age) and I do still scream and cry and hate everything (but don't we all at some point!)
Please let me know everything about you - and we can help ourselves by helping eachother!
Kaitie
I'm a 20 year old female (like Blue) and have been diagnosed with Borderline. It's a roller coaster ride for sure.
My mom laughs when I say "People don't like me because they think I'm too hard to handle" and she says "You ARE hard to handle!" It's funny - but sad in a way....
I've got a VERY loving and understanding boyfriend of three years. He lives with my quirks and loves me for me.
I've gone through some pretty ugly and dangerous stages of SI but I haven't done it in a while - so if you ever need support there - you could ask. In helping others - like on this board - I often find that I'm helping myself.
I went to my psychologist the other day and said "Okay - this is big, so be warned!" and he was like "Okay..." and I said "Things have settled down! I'm not crazy happy and I'm not totally peeved - people at school are liking me, and I'm liking them!"
There are good moments - thankfully, but I know I'm always very close to temper tantrum stage (even at this age) and I do still scream and cry and hate everything (but don't we all at some point!)
Please let me know everything about you - and we can help ourselves by helping eachother!
Kaitie
Angelene
01-08-2003, 12:33 AM
I'll admit I don't know much about BPD, but reading through these posts has got me wondering...I really do have problems tolerating people. Right now I'm on medication for depression and anxiety, but I still get incredibly frustrated with people at work. It's gotten to the point where I hate people...I keep telling myself it's depression, that I don't dislike other people, I'm just impatient and intolerant of ... their ignorance and stupidity. But is this what a borderline personality disorder is? Or a full fledged personality disorder? I'm curious about this...
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Gail
01-10-2003, 11:43 AM
Katie,
I used to have REALLY BIG FITS OF RAGE!! I was wondering, do you take a mood stabilizer? I am on Topomax at this time. Things really changed for me when I started on a mood stabilizer. It's not perfect, in fact, last night I threw the cordless phone across the room, but it's much better than before.
I too have a some support in a very loving and understanding (most of the time) mother. That really helps too.
Gail
I used to have REALLY BIG FITS OF RAGE!! I was wondering, do you take a mood stabilizer? I am on Topomax at this time. Things really changed for me when I started on a mood stabilizer. It's not perfect, in fact, last night I threw the cordless phone across the room, but it's much better than before.
I too have a some support in a very loving and understanding (most of the time) mother. That really helps too.
Gail
Kaitie
01-10-2003, 03:51 PM
Gail - thanks for posting (and sorry to everyone else that we're talking about a post within a post).
I've been thinking a LOT lately about mood stabilizers. I'm a very tospy-turvey girl. Yestderday I nearly ended my relationship with my boyfriend because the whole world was making me SO ANGRY - today he asked me "Are you just being nice like this because you're worried about how I'm going to react after yesterday?". The truth is - I am as happy today as ever, and many of the same scenarios are still happening today - it's like I've taken a new perspective (which won't last sadly).
It's all or none - one or the other, Mad beyond control, or hyper beyond control - and the WORST THING - is that I switch from side to side like a (???) hmmmm, think of something that switches A LOT from side to side and thats me (I'm not feeling creative right now)
Getting on with it. I've never taken any meds for my situation - I just decided to fight it out naturally (HARD) but now I'm kinda losing the battle.
Tell me about Topomax...I'm willing to talk to my doctor about all the options - but inside info would be the best. Has it really helped? What are the side affects? Oh, and $$$ (I'm a full time University Student with little to spare!)
Kaitie
I've been thinking a LOT lately about mood stabilizers. I'm a very tospy-turvey girl. Yestderday I nearly ended my relationship with my boyfriend because the whole world was making me SO ANGRY - today he asked me "Are you just being nice like this because you're worried about how I'm going to react after yesterday?". The truth is - I am as happy today as ever, and many of the same scenarios are still happening today - it's like I've taken a new perspective (which won't last sadly).
It's all or none - one or the other, Mad beyond control, or hyper beyond control - and the WORST THING - is that I switch from side to side like a (???) hmmmm, think of something that switches A LOT from side to side and thats me (I'm not feeling creative right now)
Getting on with it. I've never taken any meds for my situation - I just decided to fight it out naturally (HARD) but now I'm kinda losing the battle.
Tell me about Topomax...I'm willing to talk to my doctor about all the options - but inside info would be the best. Has it really helped? What are the side affects? Oh, and $$$ (I'm a full time University Student with little to spare!)
Kaitie
blue cloud
01-11-2003, 07:58 AM
sorry to butt in here i was just wondering how you were katie? i missed chatting to you :)
well i hope you are well :angel:
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well i hope you are well :angel:
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tinker300
01-16-2003, 03:04 PM
hi, i was diagnosed at 16 with bpd, i am now 29 and not sure what i have, i've been diagnosed with depression and put on paxil about 3 years ago. i stayed on it for a week, then decided i didn't need it anymore becuase i wanted to go out and drink and then realized that i was no longer depressed, i kind of just snapped out of the depression. i do that from time to time, i can just snap out of whatever mood i am feeling that moment, i usually experience several different moods everyday, some moods mix together, like sadness and anger, or elation and anxiety, or just individually. anyhow, i don't know what is wrong with me or if anything is even wrong at all, what is being normal after all? i know that i feel strange like i am looking out into the world through a soul i don't even know, kinda strange, but as far as rage or anger goes, well i don't really get all that outraged, i get impatient and don't tolerate certain people/behaviours very well, i can only see things in extremes, like either black or white, no in between, so if someone is too smiley or too fake, then i can't even begin to try to relate, they seem really weird to me. i seem to be attracted to people who are "deep" people that are genuine and sincere. it's really weird. i don't do to well in intimate realionships, i am afraid to open up to someone, i usually get them to open up to me first, then i subconsciously start to back off, because they start to make to many emotional demands on me and expect more than i want to give, it gets to be very stifling for me, i can't stand too much closeness, it freaks me out. i do like people but only certain ones i can realate to and even those kinds i have to watch out for.
onelittlehell
03-17-2003, 07:35 PM
I was interested reading all your messages especially you crown because you sound a lot like me, i believe I may have e-mailed you in response to another board. I was referred last year to a therapy programme which I later discovered was for people with BPD - no one told me that was what it was for, I found it online hehe
I see echoes of me in the descriptions of rage, throwing phones and other objects. The self harm. At the moment I don't really know where i am in terms of diagnosis (or anything else)- my Dr tells me the sum total of nothing. I'm hoping getting to know some people online will yeild a few answers.
So that's me for now...
Little
I see echoes of me in the descriptions of rage, throwing phones and other objects. The self harm. At the moment I don't really know where i am in terms of diagnosis (or anything else)- my Dr tells me the sum total of nothing. I'm hoping getting to know some people online will yeild a few answers.
So that's me for now...
Little
Asenath
03-25-2003, 04:57 PM
I am a 27 year old female who was diagnosed with BPD and major depression four years ago after a suicide attempt. Things got so bad I was institutionalized, and almost thrown into jail.
I had a rough childhood, in which my father physically abused me and my mother was an alcoholic/drug addict. I was an excellent student and considered very attractive, but my interpersonal relationships were either destructive or non-existent. I went through 10 years of drug and alcohol abuse, along with periods of suicidal behavior (jumping out of moving cars, playing with firearms, etc.)
I don't remember when BPD first appeared. I was always distrustful of others, felt abandoned, had issues with honesty and empathy, was generally cold unless high on drugs, and then I ran "hot." After the death of my boyfriend (suicide) and my expulsion from college, I became pretty much psychotic. I stayed awake for 72 hours, wandering the city until I tried to take my own life.
Things are much better now, after therapy and some medication. I still feel "dead inside" at times.
I had a rough childhood, in which my father physically abused me and my mother was an alcoholic/drug addict. I was an excellent student and considered very attractive, but my interpersonal relationships were either destructive or non-existent. I went through 10 years of drug and alcohol abuse, along with periods of suicidal behavior (jumping out of moving cars, playing with firearms, etc.)
I don't remember when BPD first appeared. I was always distrustful of others, felt abandoned, had issues with honesty and empathy, was generally cold unless high on drugs, and then I ran "hot." After the death of my boyfriend (suicide) and my expulsion from college, I became pretty much psychotic. I stayed awake for 72 hours, wandering the city until I tried to take my own life.
Things are much better now, after therapy and some medication. I still feel "dead inside" at times.
Luckycatt
03-25-2003, 08:23 PM
Hi. I am 28. I was just diagnosed with BPD about 2 months ago. I have been misdiagnosed for years but now they think they have me correctly diagnosed with BPD - and I agree.
I am currently trying to get over an addiction to my ex-boyfriend of ten years. Between dealing with those two things and also the physical problems of bulges in my back and a herniated disc in my neck, I am not handling stress of daily life too well. Let alone the annoyances of a newlywed husband who has no common sense. sigh. I feel like screaming part of the time, crying out of frustration, and just jumping of a bridge the rest of the time. For a woman on disability with apparantly "nothing to do" I feel like I have way to hectic of a life....
I am currently trying to get over an addiction to my ex-boyfriend of ten years. Between dealing with those two things and also the physical problems of bulges in my back and a herniated disc in my neck, I am not handling stress of daily life too well. Let alone the annoyances of a newlywed husband who has no common sense. sigh. I feel like screaming part of the time, crying out of frustration, and just jumping of a bridge the rest of the time. For a woman on disability with apparantly "nothing to do" I feel like I have way to hectic of a life....
SleepyBluSheep
03-26-2003, 08:09 PM
Hey ive read about bprdeline personality disorder and i think i have it im about 90 percent sure i do but is there a way to find out for sure? so if u know anything please tell me at anti_marshmello434@yahoo.com or IM me at SleepyBluSheep thnk you soo much i appreciate it
Ling
04-03-2003, 01:05 AM
Hi Everyone ... I just learned recently that my daughter (19 yrs old) has a BDP and her doctors recommend she take medication but she's refusing... this dual-diagnosis faciilty, which she's been at since 1/12/03, costs $8,000.00 per month, and thank god we have good insurance to help out... but our objective was to help her help herself... sometimes I wonder if she prefers to remain in this volatile state to use as an excuse when she has those infamous mood swings and withdraws into a seemingly suicidal mode... it's been a horrible rollercoaster for us and we're praying constantly that our daughter will WANT to take control of this condition and ultimately live a normal balanced life.
sad and frustrated,
ling
sad and frustrated,
ling
Asenath
04-03-2003, 11:33 AM
I would send your daughter to one of the following
1. A psychologist who specializes in Adlarian Psychology, otherwise known as "individual psychology"
Have her in psychotherapy at least once a week.
2. A psychologst who specializes in Existential Psychotherapy. Again, psychotherapy at least weekly.
Drugs rarely help people with BPD. It is a very complex disorder (I know because I have it). It requires intense psychotherapy which addresses the DEEP underlying issues of the disorder, not simply the symptoms or outward manifestations.
Warning! If your daughter has been diagnosed with this disorder, she may have a hard time getting health insurance in the future. I would put her in inpatient treatment only as an absolute LAST resort. Pay out of pocket for psychotherapy, and keep your insurance company out of it. A person with BPD cannot get health insurance on their own.
1. A psychologist who specializes in Adlarian Psychology, otherwise known as "individual psychology"
Have her in psychotherapy at least once a week.
2. A psychologst who specializes in Existential Psychotherapy. Again, psychotherapy at least weekly.
Drugs rarely help people with BPD. It is a very complex disorder (I know because I have it). It requires intense psychotherapy which addresses the DEEP underlying issues of the disorder, not simply the symptoms or outward manifestations.
Warning! If your daughter has been diagnosed with this disorder, she may have a hard time getting health insurance in the future. I would put her in inpatient treatment only as an absolute LAST resort. Pay out of pocket for psychotherapy, and keep your insurance company out of it. A person with BPD cannot get health insurance on their own.
Ling
04-07-2003, 01:41 AM
Thanks for your response... I talk with her therapists tomorrow and will share what you suggested... and I am so grateful to you for letting me know about the insurance future... not sure what we could do about that now, and at the time, we weren't sure if our daughter was suicidal (again) or just severely depressed and confused with the PD conditions... we just wanted her to get the help she needed immediately, and we're praying she's improving.
Thanks again,
Ling
Thanks again,
Ling
yaya
04-30-2003, 01:20 PM
This is to answer Angelene's question. BPD is not just about being angry at people or having problems tolerating them. That can be a big part of it, but there is much more to it than that and in fact some people have BPD without ever feeling that way. Here is a definition that is about as good as any other that Ive found. Keep in mind that no two people are affected in exactly the same way, and that not everyone has all symptoms. Let me know if this helps!The DSM-IV diagnostic criteria for borderline personality disorder reads as follows, with a brief explanation of each from "www.bpdcentral.com".
A pervasive pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships, self-image, and affects [moods], and marked impulsivity beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. Note: Do not include suicidal or self-mutilating behavior covered in (5).
People with BPD feel isolated. Anxious. Terrified at the thought of being alone. Caring, supportive people are like friendly faces in the middle of the crowd, offering smiles, help, and warm hugs. But the moment they do something that suggests an imminent departure — or do anything that the BP interprets as a signal that they’re about to leave — the BP panics and reacts in a variety of ways, from bursting into rage to begging the person to stay.
A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation.
People with BPD look to others to provide things they find difficult to supply for themselves, such as self-esteem, approval, and a sense of identity. Most of all, they are searching for a nurturing caregiver whose never-ending love and compassion will fill the black hole of emptiness and despair inside them.
For someone with BPD, the potential loss of a relationship can be like facing the loss of an arm or leg — or even death. When their fears of abandonment seem to be confirmed, they may erupt into a rage, make accusations, sob, seek revenge, mutilate themselves, have an affair, or do any number of destructive things.
Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.
This trait refers to borderline patients’ profound and often terrifying sense that they do not know who they are. Normally, we experience ourselves consistently through time in different settings and with different people. But this continuity of self is not experienced by the person with BPD. Instead, borderline patients are filled with contradictory images of themselves that they cannot integrate.
Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, shoplifting, reckless driving, binge eating). Note: Do not include suicidal or self-mutilating behavior covered in (5).
People with BPD may also try to fill the emptiness and create an identity for themselves through substance abuse, bingeing and purging, indiscriminate sexual activity, shoplifting, compulsive shopping, drinking, or substance abuse
Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or self- mutilating behavior.
About 8-10 percent of all people with BPD commit suicide. This does not include BPs who engage in risky behavior that results in death, such as drinking and driving. Self-mutilation is another BPD behavior that is very difficult for family members to understand. Examples include cutting, burning, breaking bones, head banging, needle poking, skin scratching, pulling out hairs, and ripping off scabs — all without suicidal intent.
Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days). [Dysphoria is the opposite of euphoria. It’s a mixture of depression, anxiety, rage, and despair.]
Affective instability (mood changed) due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days).
Chronic feelings of emptiness.
Patients commonly report that they feel empty inside, that there is “nothing to me,” that they are different people depending on whom they are with." This is very associated with lack of identity.
Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights).
Borderline rage is usually intense, unpredictable, and unaffected by logical argument. It is like a torrential flash flood, a sudden earthquake, or a bolt of lightning on a sunny day. And it can disappear as quickly as it appears.
Some borderlines, however, have the opposite problem: they feel unable to express their anger at all for fear they will lose control if they express even the slightest anger.
Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms.
Have you ever arrived home from work without remembering how you got there? You’ve traveled the route so many times that your brain had its own little adventure while your eyes and reflexes do the driving. This “out of it” feeling is a mild type of dissociation.
People who are severely dissociating, however, feel unreal, strange, numb, or detached. They may or may not remember exactly what happened while they were “gone.” The degree of dissociation can vary from the car-trip-home variety to the extreme dissociation characterized by multiple personality disorder (this is why it is now called “dissociative identity disorder”).
People with BPD may have other attributes that are not part of the DSM-IV definition, but that researchers believe are common to the disorder. Many of these may be related to sexual or physical abuse if the BP has experienced abuse earlier in life.
Pervasive Shame: Toxic shame is experienced as the all-pervasive sense that a person is flawed and defective as a human being. It is no longer an emotion that signals limits; it is a state of being, a core identity. Toxic shame gives you a sense of worthlessness, the feeling of being isolated, empty, and alone in a complete sense.
Substance abuse: BPD and substance abuse disorders often go hand in hand. Another study reported that about 23 percent of borderline patients had a diagnosis of substance abuse. Borderline substance abusers are likely to abuse more than one drug (a frequent combination is drug and alcohol abuse), are more likely to be depressed, have more frequent suicide attempts and accidents, have less impulse control, and seem to have more antisocial tendencies. See http://www.actassociation.com/News/dialectical.htm.
Undefined Boundaries: People with BPD have difficulty with personal limits — both their own and those of others.
Control Issues: Borderlines may need to feel in control of other people because they feel so out of control with themselves. In addition, they may be trying to make their own world more predictable and manageable. They may choose a lifestyle where all choices are made for them, such as the military or a cult, or they may align themselves with abusive people who try to control them through fear.
Lack of Object Constancy: When a person is lonely, most of us can soothe ourselves by remembering the love that others have for us. This ability is known as object constancy. Some people with BPD, however, find it difficult to evoke an image of a loved one to soothe them when they feel upset or anxious. If that person is not physically present, they don’t exist on an emotional level.
Interpersonal Sensitivity: Some BP’s have the astute ability to identify and use social and nonverbal cues of others. They can empathize well with others and often understand and respect how others feel, and they can use these skills to “see through others.” Some BPs may continue to use these social antennae to uncover triggers and vulnerabilities.
Situational Competence: Some people with BPD are competent and in control in some situations. For example, many perform very well at work and are high achievers. Many are very intelligent, creative, and artistic. This can be very confusing for family members who don’t understand why the person can act so assuredly in one situation and fall apart in another.
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A pervasive pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships, self-image, and affects [moods], and marked impulsivity beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. Note: Do not include suicidal or self-mutilating behavior covered in (5).
People with BPD feel isolated. Anxious. Terrified at the thought of being alone. Caring, supportive people are like friendly faces in the middle of the crowd, offering smiles, help, and warm hugs. But the moment they do something that suggests an imminent departure — or do anything that the BP interprets as a signal that they’re about to leave — the BP panics and reacts in a variety of ways, from bursting into rage to begging the person to stay.
A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation.
People with BPD look to others to provide things they find difficult to supply for themselves, such as self-esteem, approval, and a sense of identity. Most of all, they are searching for a nurturing caregiver whose never-ending love and compassion will fill the black hole of emptiness and despair inside them.
For someone with BPD, the potential loss of a relationship can be like facing the loss of an arm or leg — or even death. When their fears of abandonment seem to be confirmed, they may erupt into a rage, make accusations, sob, seek revenge, mutilate themselves, have an affair, or do any number of destructive things.
Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.
This trait refers to borderline patients’ profound and often terrifying sense that they do not know who they are. Normally, we experience ourselves consistently through time in different settings and with different people. But this continuity of self is not experienced by the person with BPD. Instead, borderline patients are filled with contradictory images of themselves that they cannot integrate.
Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, shoplifting, reckless driving, binge eating). Note: Do not include suicidal or self-mutilating behavior covered in (5).
People with BPD may also try to fill the emptiness and create an identity for themselves through substance abuse, bingeing and purging, indiscriminate sexual activity, shoplifting, compulsive shopping, drinking, or substance abuse
Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or self- mutilating behavior.
About 8-10 percent of all people with BPD commit suicide. This does not include BPs who engage in risky behavior that results in death, such as drinking and driving. Self-mutilation is another BPD behavior that is very difficult for family members to understand. Examples include cutting, burning, breaking bones, head banging, needle poking, skin scratching, pulling out hairs, and ripping off scabs — all without suicidal intent.
Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days). [Dysphoria is the opposite of euphoria. It’s a mixture of depression, anxiety, rage, and despair.]
Affective instability (mood changed) due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days).
Chronic feelings of emptiness.
Patients commonly report that they feel empty inside, that there is “nothing to me,” that they are different people depending on whom they are with." This is very associated with lack of identity.
Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights).
Borderline rage is usually intense, unpredictable, and unaffected by logical argument. It is like a torrential flash flood, a sudden earthquake, or a bolt of lightning on a sunny day. And it can disappear as quickly as it appears.
Some borderlines, however, have the opposite problem: they feel unable to express their anger at all for fear they will lose control if they express even the slightest anger.
Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms.
Have you ever arrived home from work without remembering how you got there? You’ve traveled the route so many times that your brain had its own little adventure while your eyes and reflexes do the driving. This “out of it” feeling is a mild type of dissociation.
People who are severely dissociating, however, feel unreal, strange, numb, or detached. They may or may not remember exactly what happened while they were “gone.” The degree of dissociation can vary from the car-trip-home variety to the extreme dissociation characterized by multiple personality disorder (this is why it is now called “dissociative identity disorder”).
People with BPD may have other attributes that are not part of the DSM-IV definition, but that researchers believe are common to the disorder. Many of these may be related to sexual or physical abuse if the BP has experienced abuse earlier in life.
Pervasive Shame: Toxic shame is experienced as the all-pervasive sense that a person is flawed and defective as a human being. It is no longer an emotion that signals limits; it is a state of being, a core identity. Toxic shame gives you a sense of worthlessness, the feeling of being isolated, empty, and alone in a complete sense.
Substance abuse: BPD and substance abuse disorders often go hand in hand. Another study reported that about 23 percent of borderline patients had a diagnosis of substance abuse. Borderline substance abusers are likely to abuse more than one drug (a frequent combination is drug and alcohol abuse), are more likely to be depressed, have more frequent suicide attempts and accidents, have less impulse control, and seem to have more antisocial tendencies. See http://www.actassociation.com/News/dialectical.htm.
Undefined Boundaries: People with BPD have difficulty with personal limits — both their own and those of others.
Control Issues: Borderlines may need to feel in control of other people because they feel so out of control with themselves. In addition, they may be trying to make their own world more predictable and manageable. They may choose a lifestyle where all choices are made for them, such as the military or a cult, or they may align themselves with abusive people who try to control them through fear.
Lack of Object Constancy: When a person is lonely, most of us can soothe ourselves by remembering the love that others have for us. This ability is known as object constancy. Some people with BPD, however, find it difficult to evoke an image of a loved one to soothe them when they feel upset or anxious. If that person is not physically present, they don’t exist on an emotional level.
Interpersonal Sensitivity: Some BP’s have the astute ability to identify and use social and nonverbal cues of others. They can empathize well with others and often understand and respect how others feel, and they can use these skills to “see through others.” Some BPs may continue to use these social antennae to uncover triggers and vulnerabilities.
Situational Competence: Some people with BPD are competent and in control in some situations. For example, many perform very well at work and are high achievers. Many are very intelligent, creative, and artistic. This can be very confusing for family members who don’t understand why the person can act so assuredly in one situation and fall apart in another.
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whiskey
06-04-2003, 01:19 AM
Hi I am bipolar II with borderline trendencies, and panick attacks and I am 36
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Kaitie
06-04-2003, 07:01 PM
Gail,
It's been some time...and I come to these boards over unpleasant circumstances. I thought things in my life had settled down again - I am ALWAYS thinking that though - but really I think I just push it back until it flares up and I can't deal.
I'm petrified that my boyfriend will leave me (don't even ASK why - its redicilous - he won't...I don't think, but even now I doubt my self...oh shuttit!) and when he hangs out with his friends, I SI. I think he is having more fun with them than with me. Even whem my friends are busy with other comitments I SI...it's horrible, I hadn't done it in so long.
The real reason I'm posting to you though - is that I am also taking Topamax now and I'm wondering if you are still taking it. I was prescribed it for seizures though - just recently - in March. It seems to be making my moods WORSE. I'm becoming extrememely violent. I throw stuff like glasses across the room - I've now broken three and my parents are getting real mad about it. I'm really becoming spirally and out of control - but not all the time. How is Topamax working for you. Good thing though - I want to be skinny as all get out - and Topamax has wiped my appetite...so I'm happy there - although my family is not. Bad thing - because of the seizures I now can't drive - so I'm even more depressed than ever - which is driving my BDP into the deepest pits I've seen....get me out of here...
Please write back. Especially about Topamax from a different perceptive - I'm getting seizure feedback from the Epilepsy board - but this board would be helpful too - can you stand the side affects?
Love Kaitie...how are you of course? Let me know!
It's been some time...and I come to these boards over unpleasant circumstances. I thought things in my life had settled down again - I am ALWAYS thinking that though - but really I think I just push it back until it flares up and I can't deal.
I'm petrified that my boyfriend will leave me (don't even ASK why - its redicilous - he won't...I don't think, but even now I doubt my self...oh shuttit!) and when he hangs out with his friends, I SI. I think he is having more fun with them than with me. Even whem my friends are busy with other comitments I SI...it's horrible, I hadn't done it in so long.
The real reason I'm posting to you though - is that I am also taking Topamax now and I'm wondering if you are still taking it. I was prescribed it for seizures though - just recently - in March. It seems to be making my moods WORSE. I'm becoming extrememely violent. I throw stuff like glasses across the room - I've now broken three and my parents are getting real mad about it. I'm really becoming spirally and out of control - but not all the time. How is Topamax working for you. Good thing though - I want to be skinny as all get out - and Topamax has wiped my appetite...so I'm happy there - although my family is not. Bad thing - because of the seizures I now can't drive - so I'm even more depressed than ever - which is driving my BDP into the deepest pits I've seen....get me out of here...
Please write back. Especially about Topamax from a different perceptive - I'm getting seizure feedback from the Epilepsy board - but this board would be helpful too - can you stand the side affects?
Love Kaitie...how are you of course? Let me know!

