ivy2002
06-30-2003, 01:54 PM
Hey
I was just wondering how you would explain BPD to someone...i cant think of a good way to do it...
any advice would be great
ivy
I was just wondering how you would explain BPD to someone...i cant think of a good way to do it...
any advice would be great
ivy
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steve48
06-30-2003, 04:43 PM
As best as I can it is a person who has a fear of abandonment along with a fear of engulfment which can turn back and forth in as little as minutes. Also the person can only see people as all good or all bad no in between and can meet someone one day and fall madly in love within a very short period of time and then turn against them just as fast. They usually abuse drugs or alchohol are very promiscuious and could spend money like crazy. I know from my own experience dating a woman with BPD , she was very selfish, but thinks she was a caring , nurturing type and always has to have chaos going on in the relationship she cannot ever have things go smoothly for more than a few days. They learn how to manipulate the hot buttons of their partner so they can push them when they need space and always play themselves as the victim.There is more but this is good for starters and others can fill in their feelings.
mistyone
09-11-2003, 03:18 AM
make sure you tell people also to lok up in the DSM4 that VERY often BPD were sexually abused as children not loved by either mother or father and that their abandonment is either real or presumed to be real....make sure you tell them that their lives are living hellish nightmares as they can not extablish any good relationships with other opposite sex because they have generally been unable to 'trust' people, and that mothers in their lives have usually been cold and were told or intinmated that they were not wanted as children. the reason why they drink is to get away form the pain or being abused sexually and violated and usually have not been 'validated' by anyone in their lives early on and ignored. which is why they create havoc with relationships is becasue they are re-enacting what their family life was like before when they were younger. you have many 'men' out there to thank for creating BPD in women as this is mainly a womans personality disorder. they have a poor self image and poorer concept of themselves. instead of castigating them from society, try helping by embracing them but firm limits with these types of people who want no less than the same things everybody elsee wants-to be loved genuninly but have a hard with intimacy as the abuse part takes over from younger days. Yes, they can be very charming and luring. but tryto look past the BPD itself and give some encouragement to their accomplihments in life everyone needs to be told something positive about themselves enough even sotaht they can believe it for themselves. I am one of these cereal killers...yes i have killed several relationships, BUT I also picked the wrong people to prepetuate this disorder to be with me. IIT takes two to tango guys....Better be willing to take some responsiblity for your actions yourself andi admitt i have done alot wrong in my life but with a little help and encouragement i could have done btter also. mistyone
steve48
09-13-2003, 01:15 PM
Yes Mistyone it does take two to Tango and I chose to stay in a relationship with my BPD ex longer than I should have but for future reference to all BPD, please tell your partner that you have this disorder in a reasonable amount of time. My ex decided to tell me 10 months into a 12 month relationhip and by that time I was cooked , chewed , used and abused and didn't know why and pretty much destroyed emotionally. We are not bashing Borderlines and I loved my ex even after she broke up with me at least 5 times in a year maybe more and each time screwed around with someone else and then telling me , more abuse, constant alcohol abuse, using sex as manipulation and all the goodies that go with the disorder and yes in spite of it all I was ready for more when she broke it off again 5 months ago. I guess I should consider myself a lucky one since she has pretty much left me alone and I have since found someone else who so far is treating me the way I wished she had. Anyway Mistyone thanks for the input from a BPD's side of things and take care.
riverbed11
09-14-2003, 07:24 PM
I'm not one who normally does things such as this, but I was hoping to get some insight from you guys. Questioning whether or not I have BPD is something that's been going on with me for a while now and I'm pretty scared to fully face it.
Concerning relationships, I fit into the criteria that the man above explained of his girlfriend. This gets confusing sometimes, though, because I wonder if it's because of the disease, or if it's because of my father leaving me at a very impressionable age, when I was just starting to form relationships with guys. I'm gonna try and tell you some things about myself and see if you guys think it very well could be BPD (or something else) or just a sensitive girl who lost her father at 15 who came from a sensitive mother. The reason that I'm concerned enough, though, is because my family has a history of mental illness, namely bi-polar and depression (I went through depression from about 15-18..16 being the worst of the years). Here goes:
--As I said before, I am very similar to the gf that the man above explained. Although, MOST of the time I am not pretending to care. I do care. I have always been an empathetic person and I cry at the smallest of things concerning other people, I always have. Given that I'm an emotional,empathetic person I've always been able to tap into things in other people that most people cant. I've noticed, though, that (only concerning romantic relationships, for the most part)given these abilities I become such the manipulater. I definitely use those tools to get my space. I am currently in a loving relationship but I always find myself wanting to test it and wanting to pick fights, and such. I often want some time alone and I TRULY feel that, but then I often don't make it a day before I TRULY think the opposite and am so in love again. The extremes are huge!
--Since my depression, I've always seen things in black and white (mostly because, this is hard, I feel like I have an upper hand on 'knowing people' This is also where paranoia can come in, too. I'm either so in love with someone or just absolutely can't stand them (although I don't act those feelings out in anger towards them, or I have very few times). I do not see the big picture (especially in CLOSE relationships) I tend to judge them by the last experience that I had with them. I do not know if that's me being an overly sensitive girl, or if it's signs of the disease.
--I have a hard time remembering a feeling that I'm not currently in. When I was depressed, I felt like therapy was useless cause the night before I'd have a REALLY bad moment and I'd go in and talk to him the next day and I totally couldnt relive it. I'd tell him about it, but I'd always make it out to be a lot of a lesser deal that it truly was. When I'm in my moods, you have to see me then or else there's no way that I can recount them later on. I am very much an 'in the now' type of person.
--W/in the past year (I'm in my early 20's)I've become body conscious, which is odd cause I've always been secure with myself in the past and I don't look much different physically than I did when I felt secure in myself. Also, like I've read some other people with the disease say, sometimes I can look in the mirror and think I am the grossest thing and other times I think to myself that I am beautiful. Which also brings me to another point: Sometimes I feel like I haven't gotten things together and that my life is worthless (I have cut in the past, but it's been years, but there are no thoughts of suicide, so it's not that bad)and then other days I feel like I'm the best, most caring, loving person that I know. It goes from low self-esteem to such confidence (bordering narcicism, although I never verbally state such things).
--As for the feelings of empathy and being an emotional person. I notice that I get more emotional with other people's lives and problems than I do with my own. I am very good at numbing things out when it comes to me. I push and I push things away that I should be crying about and then when there finally comes a situation where I can't escape it, I experience, what I think is, a panic attack. I've always wondered if I really do feel void of feeling when it comes to myself or if in being such a sensitive person my mind/body just numbs it out cause it knows that I cannot physically handle all of that emotion. I very rarely cry, but I cry all the time over t.v. shows, and such.
--I cannot take compliments anymore, I do appreciate them but they just kind go right through me and my voice changes and gets quiter and I almost sarcastically say, 'blah' or 'thanks' That's also where more paranoia comes in, I feel like they say it cause they have to. I don't thrive for recognition, admiration and compliments, but I DO take any form of rejection (even if they didn't mean it and i took them the wrong way) really bad. Furthering on the paranoia, since my depression (which I dont currently think that I have??)I am very weary of people. That is a trait that I've kept with me since being sick. I feel like they are using me for something and that they have some alterior motive in wanting to get together. I feel like I can pick up on little things that they say ,that they don't think is obvious, that they are directing negative towards me. I have very few close relationships and I like to keep it that way cause I have a hard time trusting and believing that people are good. On the other end, though, I donnot mind being alone and I do not mind going out. When I want a mellow evening, I very much prefer to be alone (maybe a phone call here and there). When I go out, I WAN'T TO GO OUT. I am weary of people that I know but I do like going out and I am pretty social. I will meet a lot of new people, but I can't get myself to really further the friendship cause there's just all this weirdness that I'm feeling.
--I was also sexually abused as a child, but I honestly don't see it affecting me so much when it comes to relationships.
--I donnot have excessive spending habits. I'm not an alcoholic and I don't do any drugs. I also donnot engage in risky sex.
Wow, that's been a lot! I am currently blanking, but I'm sure there is more that I might think of later. I'm just wondering: Is this BPD? Is this something else? Or is this just an emotional girl whose scared of commitment (although I'm always thriving for a close, loving relationship--it's not like I don't try) and trusting others?
Thank you, in advance, for any help that you guys might give me.
[This message has been edited by riverbed11 (edited 09-14-2003).]
Concerning relationships, I fit into the criteria that the man above explained of his girlfriend. This gets confusing sometimes, though, because I wonder if it's because of the disease, or if it's because of my father leaving me at a very impressionable age, when I was just starting to form relationships with guys. I'm gonna try and tell you some things about myself and see if you guys think it very well could be BPD (or something else) or just a sensitive girl who lost her father at 15 who came from a sensitive mother. The reason that I'm concerned enough, though, is because my family has a history of mental illness, namely bi-polar and depression (I went through depression from about 15-18..16 being the worst of the years). Here goes:
--As I said before, I am very similar to the gf that the man above explained. Although, MOST of the time I am not pretending to care. I do care. I have always been an empathetic person and I cry at the smallest of things concerning other people, I always have. Given that I'm an emotional,empathetic person I've always been able to tap into things in other people that most people cant. I've noticed, though, that (only concerning romantic relationships, for the most part)given these abilities I become such the manipulater. I definitely use those tools to get my space. I am currently in a loving relationship but I always find myself wanting to test it and wanting to pick fights, and such. I often want some time alone and I TRULY feel that, but then I often don't make it a day before I TRULY think the opposite and am so in love again. The extremes are huge!
--Since my depression, I've always seen things in black and white (mostly because, this is hard, I feel like I have an upper hand on 'knowing people' This is also where paranoia can come in, too. I'm either so in love with someone or just absolutely can't stand them (although I don't act those feelings out in anger towards them, or I have very few times). I do not see the big picture (especially in CLOSE relationships) I tend to judge them by the last experience that I had with them. I do not know if that's me being an overly sensitive girl, or if it's signs of the disease.
--I have a hard time remembering a feeling that I'm not currently in. When I was depressed, I felt like therapy was useless cause the night before I'd have a REALLY bad moment and I'd go in and talk to him the next day and I totally couldnt relive it. I'd tell him about it, but I'd always make it out to be a lot of a lesser deal that it truly was. When I'm in my moods, you have to see me then or else there's no way that I can recount them later on. I am very much an 'in the now' type of person.
--W/in the past year (I'm in my early 20's)I've become body conscious, which is odd cause I've always been secure with myself in the past and I don't look much different physically than I did when I felt secure in myself. Also, like I've read some other people with the disease say, sometimes I can look in the mirror and think I am the grossest thing and other times I think to myself that I am beautiful. Which also brings me to another point: Sometimes I feel like I haven't gotten things together and that my life is worthless (I have cut in the past, but it's been years, but there are no thoughts of suicide, so it's not that bad)and then other days I feel like I'm the best, most caring, loving person that I know. It goes from low self-esteem to such confidence (bordering narcicism, although I never verbally state such things).
--As for the feelings of empathy and being an emotional person. I notice that I get more emotional with other people's lives and problems than I do with my own. I am very good at numbing things out when it comes to me. I push and I push things away that I should be crying about and then when there finally comes a situation where I can't escape it, I experience, what I think is, a panic attack. I've always wondered if I really do feel void of feeling when it comes to myself or if in being such a sensitive person my mind/body just numbs it out cause it knows that I cannot physically handle all of that emotion. I very rarely cry, but I cry all the time over t.v. shows, and such.
--I cannot take compliments anymore, I do appreciate them but they just kind go right through me and my voice changes and gets quiter and I almost sarcastically say, 'blah' or 'thanks' That's also where more paranoia comes in, I feel like they say it cause they have to. I don't thrive for recognition, admiration and compliments, but I DO take any form of rejection (even if they didn't mean it and i took them the wrong way) really bad. Furthering on the paranoia, since my depression (which I dont currently think that I have??)I am very weary of people. That is a trait that I've kept with me since being sick. I feel like they are using me for something and that they have some alterior motive in wanting to get together. I feel like I can pick up on little things that they say ,that they don't think is obvious, that they are directing negative towards me. I have very few close relationships and I like to keep it that way cause I have a hard time trusting and believing that people are good. On the other end, though, I donnot mind being alone and I do not mind going out. When I want a mellow evening, I very much prefer to be alone (maybe a phone call here and there). When I go out, I WAN'T TO GO OUT. I am weary of people that I know but I do like going out and I am pretty social. I will meet a lot of new people, but I can't get myself to really further the friendship cause there's just all this weirdness that I'm feeling.
--I was also sexually abused as a child, but I honestly don't see it affecting me so much when it comes to relationships.
--I donnot have excessive spending habits. I'm not an alcoholic and I don't do any drugs. I also donnot engage in risky sex.
Wow, that's been a lot! I am currently blanking, but I'm sure there is more that I might think of later. I'm just wondering: Is this BPD? Is this something else? Or is this just an emotional girl whose scared of commitment (although I'm always thriving for a close, loving relationship--it's not like I don't try) and trusting others?
Thank you, in advance, for any help that you guys might give me.
[This message has been edited by riverbed11 (edited 09-14-2003).]
mistyone
09-14-2003, 08:03 PM
sounds like BPD to me
mistyone
09-14-2003, 08:16 PM
OK now look- i read your post and i am going to tell you something. It sounds like it to me but i am not a PHD so you are going to have to get a firm diagnoses from a doctor. but from the way you are describing your life and personality, and the way you are, ie. taking things the wrong way, not being able to accept compliements, etc, i do think you have shown some of the characteristics of this BPD. If you were molested as a child, and it is not important if he only 'touched' you once or made you touch him once, it forever rearranges the emotional landscape in your pysche forever. when it comes to relationships, your past life with abuse will always in some way come back to haunt your relationship most likely in a negative way. Now i am not saying that you can not ever have a satisfactory relationship with the opposite sex, but what i am saying is that you have to be aware you may have problems with intimacy in a real relationship, same as I have had for the last 25 years. I, too, tested relationships because i couldnt believe deep down inside that anyone really would have wanted me for me also. I was VERY young and VERY pretty and took for granted my appearance that i could get anyone i wanted and so was a flirt big time and could care less if i hurt someone or not since men to me were like street cars, another one be around in 15 mins. However, i got older and began to 'lose' my looks and lose some choices and sad to say, threw away some very good relationships as i was in denial about my habits, and in denial about the abuse thing and did alot of very self-defeating behaviors, almost like shooting myself in the foot. I have my regrets for sure. Age is the number one thing that will help you with this illness as you age, you will learn to appreciate what you have or had thrown away.....it took me a masters degree to learn about the nature of abuse and how it plays into mental illness in young girls, and how sexual emotional or physical abuse plays into this and all the other types of abuse that ransack our society like ants. I am warning you to get into therapy or group counseling to get yourself some help on how to be able to form a long lasting relationship with people or you will be very alone when you get older.One way to help yourself get over this is to role paly with group therapy or a therapist the correct way to act and respond to a situation in which you think you were insulted or how you should handle things. you need to stop, listen, think before you respond to comments and situations and learn to slow down the implusiveness. take it from one who knows,,,,,mistyone
[This message has been edited by mistyone (edited 09-14-2003).]
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ggermany
10-11-2003, 09:14 PM
I am newly diagnosed BPD (Bi-Polar for 11 years). It is my experience that most mental health professionals ahve very little if any experience with BPD. Keep that in mind.
mistyone
10-11-2003, 11:51 PM
and they have very little idea how to treat it also....it seems it is a lifelong thing hopefullyit mellows out with you as you age and gather some life experience, personally. i went back to school to stay focused upon something positve in my life that i could do for me to help me was very theraputic for me as it reinforced what i thought all along, that poor parenting plays a big part in this disorder and mostly you are not to blame but when you do get to be older past 18 yrs, you have to take responsiblity for it and learn to help yourself, as many have family that turn thier backs on people with this disorder as they feel partly to blame, guilt, and helpless also. they can get fed up with our 'acting out' and instead of being supportive they ban us when we most need them...i know i been there...mistyone
WalkingWound
10-13-2003, 02:06 AM
Thanks for asking that question Ivy I have been wanting to ask that question for quite sometimes and thanks to all who responded.
HannahR
10-20-2003, 03:08 PM
Wow. I have a cousin, who lives not far from me, who has exhibited many of the symptoms described above. I know she was adopted at about 3. I like her, but know there is something "different" about her. Any relationships with the opposite sex have been troubled. I don't know if there was any abuse early on, but my Aunt and Uncle are good, kind people who really love her. She is a loner, has empathy for people; but her real tenderness is for animals. (I sort of understand, as I too, love animals, and always have.) But then, a lot of people are.
As a youngster, she saw psychologists at different times, and though she's smart, never really amounted to anything, or found her "niche" in life. Can this be another symptom? To my knowledge, there has been no drugs, and if she ever did drink, she doesn't now.
At family gatherings, she is friendly, and even funny; but inevitably wanders off alone for a bit. I once asked if everything was OK, or if she was upset, but she said, "no," that she just can't be around a large group of people for long without getting away for a little while. She once said she didn't feel she quite fit in, and said the wrong things. When she's with the group, she seems very happy. Is this typical?
Should I approach her with my suspicion that maybe she could use someone to talk to? Is a psychiatrist best, as they are able to make a medical diagnosis? I feel bad for her. She's basically a nice person.
Thanks for any advice.
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Hannah
As a youngster, she saw psychologists at different times, and though she's smart, never really amounted to anything, or found her "niche" in life. Can this be another symptom? To my knowledge, there has been no drugs, and if she ever did drink, she doesn't now.
At family gatherings, she is friendly, and even funny; but inevitably wanders off alone for a bit. I once asked if everything was OK, or if she was upset, but she said, "no," that she just can't be around a large group of people for long without getting away for a little while. She once said she didn't feel she quite fit in, and said the wrong things. When she's with the group, she seems very happy. Is this typical?
Should I approach her with my suspicion that maybe she could use someone to talk to? Is a psychiatrist best, as they are able to make a medical diagnosis? I feel bad for her. She's basically a nice person.
Thanks for any advice.
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Hannah
nipaniku
11-13-2003, 09:20 AM
Hi Hannah,
I don't know much about BPD, and obviously I don't know anything about your cousin. But the behaviour you describe, of needing time alone occaisionally during gatherings, doesn't sound to me to be anything to worry about. She might just be a healthy introvert who is expressing her own personality. Many introverts have this trait of needing time alone.
Both introversion and extraversion are healthy personality types. Extraverts are drawn naturally towards the outer world and will do things in the outer world to relax, exessive concentration in quiet, often tiring and boring them. Introverts take the opposite approach. They are drawn towards inner reflection and often have excellent powers of concentration, but are also drained by being with large groups of people for long periods of time. It is completely healthy for introverts to need time off when at gatherings with a lot of people, especially if they are already tired.
From the information you've given, I'd be careful about approaching her with it. I don't know your cousin, but if she does have a normal personality, it could make things worse. Being an introvert in a predominantly extraverted world can be very hard at times.
check out this article for more info on intros:
http://cfge.wm.edu/Publications/Introversion.html
I don't know much about BPD, and obviously I don't know anything about your cousin. But the behaviour you describe, of needing time alone occaisionally during gatherings, doesn't sound to me to be anything to worry about. She might just be a healthy introvert who is expressing her own personality. Many introverts have this trait of needing time alone.
Both introversion and extraversion are healthy personality types. Extraverts are drawn naturally towards the outer world and will do things in the outer world to relax, exessive concentration in quiet, often tiring and boring them. Introverts take the opposite approach. They are drawn towards inner reflection and often have excellent powers of concentration, but are also drained by being with large groups of people for long periods of time. It is completely healthy for introverts to need time off when at gatherings with a lot of people, especially if they are already tired.
From the information you've given, I'd be careful about approaching her with it. I don't know your cousin, but if she does have a normal personality, it could make things worse. Being an introvert in a predominantly extraverted world can be very hard at times.
check out this article for more info on intros:
http://cfge.wm.edu/Publications/Introversion.html
SusanGene
11-15-2003, 07:51 PM
[QUOTE=riverbed11]I'm not one who normally does things such as this, but I was hoping to get some insight from you guys. Questioning whether or not I have BPD is something that's been going on with me for a while now and I'm pretty scared to fully face it.
Concerning relationships, I fit into the criteria that the man above explained of his girlfriend. This gets confusing sometimes, though, because I wonder if it's because of the disease, or if it's because of my father leaving me at a very impressionable age, when I was just starting to form relationships with guys. I'm gonna try and tell you some things about myself and see if you guys think it very well could be BPD (or something else) or just a sensitive girl who lost her father at 15 who came from a sensitive mother. The reason that I'm concerned enough, though, is because my family has a history of mental illness, namely bi-polar and depression (I went through depression from about 15-18..16 being the worst of the years). Here goes:
--As I said before, I am very similar to the gf that the man above explained. Although, MOST of the time I am not pretending to care. I do care. I have always been an empathetic person and I cry at the smallest of things concerning other people, I always have. Given that I'm an emotional,empathetic person I've always been able to tap into things in other people that most people cant. I've noticed, though, that (only concerning romantic relationships, for the most part)given these abilities I become such the manipulater. I definitely use those tools to get my space. I am currently in a loving relationship but I always find myself wanting to test it and wanting to pick fights, and such. I often want some time alone and I TRULY feel that, but then I often don't make it a day before I TRULY think the opposite and am so in love again. The extremes are huge!
--Since my depression, I've always seen things in black and white (mostly because, this is hard, I feel like I have an upper hand on 'knowing people' This is also where paranoia can come in, too. I'm either so in love with someone or just absolutely can't stand them (although I don't act those feelings out in anger towards them, or I have very few times). I do not see the big picture (especially in CLOSE relationships) I tend to judge them by the last experience that I had with them. I do not know if that's me being an overly sensitive girl, or if it's signs of the disease.
--I have a hard time remembering a feeling that I'm not currently in. When I was depressed, I felt like therapy was useless cause the night before I'd have a REALLY bad moment and I'd go in and talk to him the next day and I totally couldnt relive it. I'd tell him about it, but I'd always make it out to be a lot of a lesser deal that it truly was. When I'm in my moods, you have to see me then or else there's no way that I can recount them later on. I am very much an 'in the now' type of person.
--W/in the past year (I'm in my early 20's)I've become body conscious, which is odd cause I've always been secure with myself in the past and I don't look much different physically than I did when I felt secure in myself. Also, like I've read some other people with the disease say, sometimes I can look in the mirror and think I am the grossest thing and other times I think to myself that I am beautiful. Which also brings me to another point: Sometimes I feel like I haven't gotten things together and that my life is worthless (I have cut in the past, but it's been years, but there are no thoughts of suicide, so it's not that bad)and then other days I feel like I'm the best, most caring, loving person that I know. It goes from low self-esteem to such confidence (bordering narcicism, although I never verbally state such things).
--As for the feelings of empathy and being an emotional person. I notice that I get more emotional with other people's lives and problems than I do with my own. I am very good at numbing things out when it comes to me. I push and I push things away that I should be crying about and then when there finally comes a situation where I can't escape it, I experience, what I think is, a panic attack. I've always wondered if I really do feel void of feeling when it comes to myself or if in being such a sensitive person my mind/body just numbs it out cause it knows that I cannot physically handle all of that emotion. I very rarely cry, but I cry all the time over t.v. shows, and such.
--I cannot take compliments anymore, I do appreciate them but they just kind go right through me and my voice changes and gets quiter and I almost sarcastically say, 'blah' or 'thanks' That's also where more paranoia comes in, I feel like they say it cause they have to. I don't thrive for recognition, admiration and compliments, but I DO take any form of rejection (even if they didn't mean it and i took them the wrong way) really bad. Furthering on the paranoia, since my depression (which I dont currently think that I have??)I am very weary of people. That is a trait that I've kept with me since being sick. I feel like they are using me for something and that they have some alterior motive in wanting to get together. I feel like I can pick up on little things that they say ,that they don't think is obvious, that they are directing negative towards me. I have very few close relationships and I like to keep it that way cause I have a hard time trusting and believing that people are good. On the other end, though, I donnot mind being alone and I do not mind going out.
Thank you, in advance, for any help that you guys might give me.
Riverbed, I was most impressed with your intelligence and self analysis. Your description of yourself reminded me So much of my daughter, 38. It seems in looking back that she was Born different. She "drove me crazy" even as far back as kindergarten but I can't think of the reasons now. I just recall she made me very nervous. She has a history of stormy relationships and almost violent breakups. Divorced twice, she is now living with and arguing with a nice guy, 45. She has a wonderful son, 5, that she wanted, because "all my friends have a child." She chose an unemployed gambling addict to be the father of this child. He gets by living with employed females. Did you know that many doctors refuse to treat bpd people? I read that on the internet; it said the patients become too intense or something w/the doctor. That you have to really search for a dr. who will treat bpd. This daughter also, I believe , has bipolar disorder. I wanted her close so we could keep an eye on her son. I have no idea how she will affect him or if her bpd Will affect him. I know he is subjected to mood swings that cause her to scream obscenities at him at times. Then she is baby talking him soon after. I feel sorry for her if this is a lifelong thing; it would be exhausting for me at my age to deal with myself if I had this. One difference is that she has been an almost daily pot smoker since age fifteen. She now does xanax And weed. Her father was very mentally abusive to both of us but she seems to adore the guy even when he keeps lying to her by saying he'll come visit then saying he isn't coming. She always believes him and he's a total liar. She has one what I would call "friend." The second lady is nothing but an enemy but they continue to call each other and fight. Even on the phone . Since high school. Strange. She says odd things constantly. One is: " my dad is a Ph.d so I have the genes to be somebody" then she won't work. She says she's dying to work, has training her boyfriend paid for to work but she won't work. So it's frustrating for me to listen to her telling me, "I'm so miserable and bored; I want a Job!" when we both know she isn't even Trying to find work! So I always say the wrong thing and she gets furious with me. I'd say, "are you looking for a job?" and she'll get mad. Then she'll start this telling me off without stopping between sentences. If I say something, anything, that she Knows is right she'll just say, "whatever" and keep talking. So it makes me quite nervous at 59 to be subjected to this stuff when I'm happily doing my housework bit. I feel violated. Each morning, rain or shine, she's out in that car driving around town by 8am. She won't stay home; she says she has "nothing to do here" when her BF tells me she has dishes in the sink. Oh, well; I'll stop this. She won't see anyone about it ; thinks she's just fine. Luckily for her, her BF and we pay her tab. Very luckily.
Concerning relationships, I fit into the criteria that the man above explained of his girlfriend. This gets confusing sometimes, though, because I wonder if it's because of the disease, or if it's because of my father leaving me at a very impressionable age, when I was just starting to form relationships with guys. I'm gonna try and tell you some things about myself and see if you guys think it very well could be BPD (or something else) or just a sensitive girl who lost her father at 15 who came from a sensitive mother. The reason that I'm concerned enough, though, is because my family has a history of mental illness, namely bi-polar and depression (I went through depression from about 15-18..16 being the worst of the years). Here goes:
--As I said before, I am very similar to the gf that the man above explained. Although, MOST of the time I am not pretending to care. I do care. I have always been an empathetic person and I cry at the smallest of things concerning other people, I always have. Given that I'm an emotional,empathetic person I've always been able to tap into things in other people that most people cant. I've noticed, though, that (only concerning romantic relationships, for the most part)given these abilities I become such the manipulater. I definitely use those tools to get my space. I am currently in a loving relationship but I always find myself wanting to test it and wanting to pick fights, and such. I often want some time alone and I TRULY feel that, but then I often don't make it a day before I TRULY think the opposite and am so in love again. The extremes are huge!
--Since my depression, I've always seen things in black and white (mostly because, this is hard, I feel like I have an upper hand on 'knowing people' This is also where paranoia can come in, too. I'm either so in love with someone or just absolutely can't stand them (although I don't act those feelings out in anger towards them, or I have very few times). I do not see the big picture (especially in CLOSE relationships) I tend to judge them by the last experience that I had with them. I do not know if that's me being an overly sensitive girl, or if it's signs of the disease.
--I have a hard time remembering a feeling that I'm not currently in. When I was depressed, I felt like therapy was useless cause the night before I'd have a REALLY bad moment and I'd go in and talk to him the next day and I totally couldnt relive it. I'd tell him about it, but I'd always make it out to be a lot of a lesser deal that it truly was. When I'm in my moods, you have to see me then or else there's no way that I can recount them later on. I am very much an 'in the now' type of person.
--W/in the past year (I'm in my early 20's)I've become body conscious, which is odd cause I've always been secure with myself in the past and I don't look much different physically than I did when I felt secure in myself. Also, like I've read some other people with the disease say, sometimes I can look in the mirror and think I am the grossest thing and other times I think to myself that I am beautiful. Which also brings me to another point: Sometimes I feel like I haven't gotten things together and that my life is worthless (I have cut in the past, but it's been years, but there are no thoughts of suicide, so it's not that bad)and then other days I feel like I'm the best, most caring, loving person that I know. It goes from low self-esteem to such confidence (bordering narcicism, although I never verbally state such things).
--As for the feelings of empathy and being an emotional person. I notice that I get more emotional with other people's lives and problems than I do with my own. I am very good at numbing things out when it comes to me. I push and I push things away that I should be crying about and then when there finally comes a situation where I can't escape it, I experience, what I think is, a panic attack. I've always wondered if I really do feel void of feeling when it comes to myself or if in being such a sensitive person my mind/body just numbs it out cause it knows that I cannot physically handle all of that emotion. I very rarely cry, but I cry all the time over t.v. shows, and such.
--I cannot take compliments anymore, I do appreciate them but they just kind go right through me and my voice changes and gets quiter and I almost sarcastically say, 'blah' or 'thanks' That's also where more paranoia comes in, I feel like they say it cause they have to. I don't thrive for recognition, admiration and compliments, but I DO take any form of rejection (even if they didn't mean it and i took them the wrong way) really bad. Furthering on the paranoia, since my depression (which I dont currently think that I have??)I am very weary of people. That is a trait that I've kept with me since being sick. I feel like they are using me for something and that they have some alterior motive in wanting to get together. I feel like I can pick up on little things that they say ,that they don't think is obvious, that they are directing negative towards me. I have very few close relationships and I like to keep it that way cause I have a hard time trusting and believing that people are good. On the other end, though, I donnot mind being alone and I do not mind going out.
Thank you, in advance, for any help that you guys might give me.
Riverbed, I was most impressed with your intelligence and self analysis. Your description of yourself reminded me So much of my daughter, 38. It seems in looking back that she was Born different. She "drove me crazy" even as far back as kindergarten but I can't think of the reasons now. I just recall she made me very nervous. She has a history of stormy relationships and almost violent breakups. Divorced twice, she is now living with and arguing with a nice guy, 45. She has a wonderful son, 5, that she wanted, because "all my friends have a child." She chose an unemployed gambling addict to be the father of this child. He gets by living with employed females. Did you know that many doctors refuse to treat bpd people? I read that on the internet; it said the patients become too intense or something w/the doctor. That you have to really search for a dr. who will treat bpd. This daughter also, I believe , has bipolar disorder. I wanted her close so we could keep an eye on her son. I have no idea how she will affect him or if her bpd Will affect him. I know he is subjected to mood swings that cause her to scream obscenities at him at times. Then she is baby talking him soon after. I feel sorry for her if this is a lifelong thing; it would be exhausting for me at my age to deal with myself if I had this. One difference is that she has been an almost daily pot smoker since age fifteen. She now does xanax And weed. Her father was very mentally abusive to both of us but she seems to adore the guy even when he keeps lying to her by saying he'll come visit then saying he isn't coming. She always believes him and he's a total liar. She has one what I would call "friend." The second lady is nothing but an enemy but they continue to call each other and fight. Even on the phone . Since high school. Strange. She says odd things constantly. One is: " my dad is a Ph.d so I have the genes to be somebody" then she won't work. She says she's dying to work, has training her boyfriend paid for to work but she won't work. So it's frustrating for me to listen to her telling me, "I'm so miserable and bored; I want a Job!" when we both know she isn't even Trying to find work! So I always say the wrong thing and she gets furious with me. I'd say, "are you looking for a job?" and she'll get mad. Then she'll start this telling me off without stopping between sentences. If I say something, anything, that she Knows is right she'll just say, "whatever" and keep talking. So it makes me quite nervous at 59 to be subjected to this stuff when I'm happily doing my housework bit. I feel violated. Each morning, rain or shine, she's out in that car driving around town by 8am. She won't stay home; she says she has "nothing to do here" when her BF tells me she has dishes in the sink. Oh, well; I'll stop this. She won't see anyone about it ; thinks she's just fine. Luckily for her, her BF and we pay her tab. Very luckily.
stupot
08-11-2006, 01:07 PM
Hi steve
I can relate to your post so much my ex is exactly the same she fell madly in love with me and then backed off just as quick.She made excuses not to see me when she needed space (her father died last year she was still depressed was her main one) but like you said there always has to be drama of some sort! she also knew all my buttons and has left me emotionally drained I only found out she had bpd because I saw a counseller she still dosent know still love her though thats the b####
I can relate to your post so much my ex is exactly the same she fell madly in love with me and then backed off just as quick.She made excuses not to see me when she needed space (her father died last year she was still depressed was her main one) but like you said there always has to be drama of some sort! she also knew all my buttons and has left me emotionally drained I only found out she had bpd because I saw a counseller she still dosent know still love her though thats the b####

