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Bren30
11-14-2003, 09:42 PM
Ok everyone.. I really need advice?
I have my son on strattera.. He has put on weight and I dont see any moodiness other than just being a teenager. We have done the Adderall xr and ritalin with minor results.

This ADD problem and not getting his work done at school is consuming my entire family.The main topic of our conversations are about grades.
I attend a meeting every other week at his school and talk to his teachers and find out how many zeros we have or that another book report has not been done. So we have progress reports.. If they write any bad notes home to me he takes them out or tells me its in his locker or on the bus....Its just buying time..I always find out.
He is so smart.. spelling and reading whiz..Been reading since he was 4.

But F's in both subjects.

I really think Im about to have a nervous breakdown over dealing with this for so many years... Why.. Because my Husband also blames me for his grades since I'm at the school so often.. I cannot do his work for him.. Just organize it and make sure what he brings home is completed.. ( but it never makes it back to the teacher unless I hand deliver it myself)

He is in 8th grade and just refuses to do his work...Even though he sees what its doing to me and this family..He has seen councilers and just does not care about any type of concequences his actions bring..

He is the most affectionate child I could ask for.. But what do I do with him?? Hugs and kisses wont fix this.

I'm just out fuel..............Any advice???? My marriage and my 11 year old daughter is suffering too.I just cant take this anymore..Its like talking to a brick wall and all the broken promises are too hard to comprehend.


Thanks.. sorry so long................Venting is therapy for me.

Bren

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* Free ~ Spirit *
11-14-2003, 09:54 PM
Hey, um just a friendly reminder, your family conversations should not revolve around grades. Expecially if your son has academic issues due to ADD. Pushing the subject of grades could lead to making him depressed.

You should talk to the school about getting him a 504 or an IEP and ease up a bit about the grade issues. Ya know, out in the real world people don't compare GPAs.

Bren30
11-14-2003, 10:06 PM
We have the 504 plan.. with prefered seating.. more test time.. These Teachers are bending over backward for him .& Because of me.. The 2nd day of school I went in and introduced my self and told them They would see alot of me. They were aware from the first day.. what a load I was dealing with.

I often have breakdowns and cry at these meetings ..He attended todays.. and of course had no answers to our questions.

But our conversations start... how was your day.. have any home work???

Then from there his lies begin.....just to get out of it for one night...

We have everything we can .. and more from his teachers...504 since 5th grade.

I know also in the real world.. you must get an education..
We just want to get out of Jr High. One step at a time...

Bren

* Free ~ Spirit *
11-14-2003, 11:49 PM
Bren maybe you need to look into an IEP instead, your son is obviously having more severe problems than whats covered in his IEP.

What are his other accomodations? I am hoping there are many more than what you listed so far.

You may also want to think about a special school. They have more technical schools for young kids with things like ADHD or dyslexia. He may just need a different type of environment.

Bren30
11-15-2003, 09:35 AM
We live in a very ..VERY small town.. There are not many school here.. and not any that accomadate children with severe problems.He has been tested for just about everything.. and nothing has surfaced.He just has no drive what so every... we work on being organized on a daily basis .. folders with tabs..color codes.. .. but folding papers in your pocket or in the back of the book are still going on....I'm about crazy.. he is just totally tuned out to wanting to pass and doing better...

he just changed schools this year.....He was at a semi-private school.. but the level of achievement standards was very high..best school in our parish.. to much pressure there.
He is at a good school now... his teachers are doing so much for him.. even walking with him to his locker when he thinks his paper is in there..so he wont get a zero.....

Bren

szarkam
11-16-2003, 07:09 PM
Bren,
Sorry things are so tough - please we are here for you to vent.
I am not quite sure I exactly what a 504 plan is - can you give me some insight.
Thanks

Bren30
11-17-2003, 01:09 AM
Well the 504 plan is modified for each childs changing needs.
The teachers ( IEP group)and the parents decide what needs are better met.
From smaller groups to preferred seating in class( up front or right next to the teachers desk). Where they have to read the test to your child and not just say " Here it is , now do this"..
Extra time on test or even classwork.There are alot things that go into writing up a 504 plan.It depends on the child.

But this must be signed and put into his/ her folder and be up-dated and signed each new school year.....Not to mention followed by the teachers.

When I ask about my Son last year.. We held him back because they thought he may mature more and do better.His had not been updated for 2 school years..(.I found this out when he was moved to another school )
Also when they had test.. they ask if he needed it read.. Because of embarassment he said no...And that was that. It does no one any good if not followed...

They are just another way of keeping kids on track... and Add under control.
With ADD any type of help is welcomed.

This is the way our 504 plans are done here,,,I'm not sure about other states.


Bren

szarkam
11-17-2003, 10:37 AM
Thanks so much for the info.
The academics are not really a problem for my daughter it is more the control issues like calling out and getting out of her seat. She can follow the directions and does well on tests. but the social aspects of her with her peers is the bigger problem, because she disrupts others.

rasiaca
11-17-2003, 02:12 PM
Well I thought i would post because I too have a grade 8 boy with similiar issues. We just started back at school this year too, he was going to a 'private' school too, if you count homeschooling in that category.

Anyways, I guess you have to figure out if this is also about him not *wanting* to do it, rather than forgetting etc. My son is very....well I can't think of the word, but he does well in reading etc too, but he will only do the projects or journals or assignments that interest him, could care less about anything else.

Our school has daily agendas that they have to write all their homework in, which has to be signed by the parent and turned into the teacher the next day. This is great, but he first said that it was optional. It is not. Once that was established he would say 'I didn't write anything in, because we don't have any homework today'/ or 'I finished it all at school' or 'I forgot my agenda'....

It has taken a lot of talking to the teacher around my son to see what is what. ...but finally, I am beginning to have some progress. What did I do? I told him that if he doesn't bring home his agenda, with the homework in it, and the teacher's initials from the day before's work. Then, he doesn't get to watch tv, or play video games, or play outside with friends, etc. ...essentially grounded for the night.

...I did give him a couple of chances first though, before the grounding became official.

...It's not perfect, but it has helped a lot. See, he was actually being rewarded for not having any homework, because he was free to do what he pleased for the night.

The only problems I am having at this point are things like, 'it's not due till Friday', or 'that part is enrichment for extra marks, it is optional' (which it was, but he needs those extra marks at this point!), or that he doesn't understand the format in which it is to be completed, even though he wrote down everything that explained it, and I will point it all out, and he will argue with me about wether the rules apply or not!....so annoying....but much better.

I don't have anything else really to say, I was hoping to hear some magical solution, because I am very stressed too.

I take solace in that, even if he doesn't finish high school, I know he would do very well in a sales job, lol. There are other courses that would be manageable too, we have looked at 'Jewelry tech' already, small class sizes, lots of hands on, not a lot of book work...not sure about it though, he may need fine motor skills...
I think it's most important to not have unrealistic expectations for him, if he wants to do it, he has the power to. Perhaps he is just not interested...my son does not like to be controlled in any way ever. School is very much that type of environment, bell rings, you line up, ask to go to the bathroom, you wanna learn about this? sorry, we are learning about that.
Anyways, bit of a tangent...
Anna.

Coopersmom
11-17-2003, 03:00 PM
Bren, I too wonder, does he have any consequences at home? Even though he has ADHD he still has to learn to live life and school is part of life.

szarkam
11-17-2003, 03:05 PM
Does anyone else find that in a lot of cases the consequences really have no affect. Sometimes I think my daughter knows she will be in trouble but "the behavior" takes over and she does negative things anyway, and then ends up losing privleges.

rasiaca
11-17-2003, 03:20 PM
I agree with that, but my son really values his 'electronic gadget time'. And we all know that they have the ability to focus, or hyper focus, as well as be forgetful. Consequences do work, eventually. You have to be consistent.

Like when my son had a paper route, I helped him, I taught him the most effiecient ways of accomplishing the sub-tasks, and it took along time for him to get it, like a year of doing them three times a week, before he knew it. Another example that even ADD kids learn...not falling out of bed...and that's accomplished while sleeping! How do they learn not to do this, to be aware of the edge of that bed? By falling out of it a few times ofcourse...(the consequence)

I think they can learn routines, when I first started being really on to him about bringing home his agenda, he would only remember to bring it home, forgot to write in it though. It has taken a lot of persistence to get to this point....he also has a big fear of failing this grade, and when he failed Geography for lack of homework, and I told him what his teacher had said about how he was doing in his other subjects (he is passing gym and art for sure, the rest are iffy), and that he better pull up his socks a bit, that was probably also a factor. He really wants to 'graduate'. So now he has a long term negative consequence, as well as a short term neg. consequence. There are a lot of other issues with school, like test taking etc, but the homework thing is a must, you can have all the time in the world to write it, but if you don't know the answers...

I think it can happen, it just takes a whole lot of consistency. ...and even then, it is managed only.
Anna

szarkam
11-17-2003, 07:18 PM
Sometimes it takes a toll on everyone else and that is what I am worried about - my younger daughter ends up missing out on things so we ca stay in "routine" with the older one.
Oh well - no one said life was easy :-)

rasiaca
11-17-2003, 07:57 PM
Can you give me an example? ...not that I am disagreeing....
for mine it would be missing out on mom time for one, or just taking the joy out of a lot...

i just had another thought too though, when I finally get him in a routine, it is incredibly hard to try and get him to do it differently, even if it is obvious it is an improvement....
..and then I thought, maybe that is what is happening these days with these guys, atleast in part, maybe they will need a few months to adapt to the different life. I know my son was half the school year getting used to just going everyday in gr. 1.
...and highschool is next year, so it will start all over again..yay. ;)
Anna

Jett456
11-24-2003, 04:33 PM
My suggestion is to get all the homework for the week on Monday (from each teacher if necessary) This way you can see what he has to do all week. Sometimes you have to be very insistent and make lots of noise to get the teachers to cooperate but it worked for us. My son made it out of high school and only because of this. It doesn't work in college though (LOL). He dropped out after two months and is now working full time

szarkam
11-24-2003, 07:09 PM
And so many of the schools are not as helpful, and then they would why the children get discouraged.

Good Luck

SpcK
11-24-2003, 09:01 PM
Wow Bren

I know this must be hard for you. I have an 12 year old that is in the 6th grade new school and lies about homewrok and grades, But he doesn't have add or adhd. He is just being stuborn and lazy. My 10 year old has adhd and does better he atleast admits he has homework and then fights to do it.

I wish you the best cause I do understand...

szarkam
11-24-2003, 10:10 PM
I was wondering were the chikdren like this at the first grade level? My daughter often says she has no homework, and sometimes it is true and other times not. I just hope this is not a sign of things to come.

rasiaca
11-24-2003, 10:20 PM
I was wondering were the chikdren like this at the first grade level? My daughter often says she has no homework, and sometimes it is true and other times not. I just hope this is not a sign of things to come.


Mine was...
Anna

szarkam
11-24-2003, 11:38 PM
I am sorry to hear that :-(
I am going to be more proactive with my daughter and her assignments.

ReneS61
11-26-2003, 03:58 PM
I can SOOOO relate to this thread. I have a 14 year old high school freshman with severe ADHD. He has a BD/EH IEP and is mainstreamed about 50% (entire day in a regular high school but about 1/2 classes are special ed). I also have ADHD and I am a single parent. My son does not write down his assignments, no matter what the rewards or consequences might be. A lot of times, he finishes them but then does not turn them in. Last year he scored in the 80-something percentile on a science standardized test, but is getting an F in freshman biology. Homework is a nightmare. He frequently underestimates the amount of time he will need, or he lies about it and then at 9:30 or 10 pm he tells me he has some major project due the next morning. I try to help him with his homework, but he is so manipulative I end up doing it for him (not intentionally, it's just an outgrowth of the nightly homework-war). I have tried just about every reward/consequence program on the planet and he threatens to make my life impossible if I try to implement a consequence or tell him he's not getting a reward. For example, he will hide my keys or glasses so I can't drive or get to work. He has also locked me out of the house on numerous occassions. His father is a disaster-area himself (practicing alcoholic with violent temper), so bringing him into the mix only makes things worse. I've considered calling the police when my son locks me out, but I don't want to put him into the juvenile justice system and I would be required, according to my divorce agreement to tell his father, which would only escalate things. My son was on ritalin for many years, switched to concerta about a year ago, and now we'll be trying adderall. I've recently started stress-counseling. So I can definately relate to your pain and let you know that there are other parents out there suffering the same pain.

szarkam
11-26-2003, 05:17 PM
It sounds like your son needs counseling as well. My daughter is in both individual and peer group counseling and they are helping.
Wishing you the best and a happy holiday

thehomefolks
11-27-2003, 12:49 AM
Been There With You. My Son Just Received His Ged.....he Quit School Last Year (11th Grade) He Hated School. Always Has. I've Been Right Where You Are. And Its Tough! But Just Hang In There. You May Come Out On Top Where I Didn't. I Had To Stay On Him Durig Ged Test Taking.......it Was Tough Doing That Too! But Thank The Good Lord He Has His Ged........please Keep Doing What Yuo're Doing.......he May Get Tired And Give In.....you Never Know... You're A Good Mom....i Was Too.....and We Want Our Kids To Succeed And Feel Good About Themselves.......hang In There....you're Not Alone!

r and r mom
11-27-2003, 09:38 PM
Hi Bren, I am an 8th grade teacher, so I know what you are going through. I also have a son, 7. who has some special needs. I am going to say something to you that sounds mean and cruel, but I really believe in it. You don't have homework or book reports, he does. I can only assume you've "done" the 8th grade already. Have you heard of "Love and Logic" , our councilors are great teachers of this strategy. I use it at home and at school. In a nut shell it is all about natural consequences and getting the kids to take control of the problem. My suggestion is to look it up, read about it, and maybe attend a seminar if there is one close by. Most of our schools in our district have classes once a year. When you and the teachers are working harder than your son to help him pass, once he does, he is not going to be ready for the next level.
Good Luck!!

newyorkmogul
11-28-2003, 02:55 PM
so you say he's been tested for everything and nothing has surfaced, he just doesn't seem to care about school, or getting good grades. maybe you should just let it go. obviously he's smart so he'll be able to make his way in the world, and not everyone *has* to have a book education to be successful. so please don't let this issue tear apart your family. i feel that above all, your son needs a solid loving family, more than he needs to pass his classes! what is he interested in? maybe you could get special tutors to teach him about what he's interested in instead of the usual curriculum. good luck and hang in there!

Bren30
11-30-2003, 01:45 PM
Thanks so much everyone ...I really feel a lil comfort knowing other Parents are trying to deal with this as well.

The entire thing about letting go... I have been told that...My husband has about washed his hands to it. He said its driving him insane.


So here I am.. fighting this battle alone.
All he tells him is ...18.. your out of here and on your own.

I do take everything away...games ..his tv has not been plugged up in months.
This has no effect.. he would sit there and just look at the walls in his room or lay in his bed and count the buttons on the mattress above his bunk bed.

We now have daily sheets from the teachers.. I get it tuesday..or wed ,.Or its on the bus..or in my locker..If I go clean out his locker.(I do every week.) then oh..it was in my room.This is not working..I'm goint quit my job.. so I can be there everyday when he leaves his classes.. just to see what he does..

I was told last year in May...And this was crushing to hear from his Advisior.I cried and was furious...and his teachers..

He was GED material. he should just float along until he was 17.. then study to take his GED . All this when a child is only 13. They were just tierd of dealing with him at this High academic school. He was bring down the scores for the school and just wanted him gone.
I went to the Principal.. who I knew well.. so many visits.
I told him how mad this made me.. and how they felt about My Son.

They sure didnt wanna be around to watch him float along...They even put the brunt of the other kids on him..If everyone Thats EVERYONE.. didnt turn in a paper the CLASS was punished... and you know who.. My child..didnt do it. (He made lots of friends there.)

I went to Sylvan Leaning Center this pass week....About 45 miles away.
I cannot afford this ..$$$$$$$$$ But I may have to go to the Bank or the poor house...But I'm not giving up on him..he is to smart ...He needs something to stimulate him.. and I have to find it. Or die trying.

Thanks everyone...........Bren

szarkam
11-30-2003, 02:22 PM
Bren,

I feel for you, we took my daughter to Huntington Learning Center - started back in May, she just finished the program, and she is actually ahead of some of the kids in class ( only first grade) but it helped. Although it was a crazy amount of money and I don't know if my credit cards will ever survive - I just used a different one each month. But I saw an improvement.





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