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* Free ~ Spirit *
11-15-2003, 05:51 PM
As I've mentioned with beCalmd getting expensive I ventured off to find a different company with similar products. I found it. I got 6 months worth of products for $100 - under $20 per month. This is actually the second company I've looked to. The first one didn't turn out to have very good products or customer service.

Anyway, This place has many different things. Including combinations so one wouldnt have to take so many pills. The customer service was great, it was shipped on time through UPS, and the products are good.

I'm not advertising, just very excited at the good deal I got. (I have to get specific vitamins for my grandparents who take vitamins for illness and the recieving of the order on time was definantly a big plus!) My order was rather difficult too, and they got it right!!

They also sell books and studies! This isn't advertising, though it kinda sounds like it I know lol, Im just very happy to have found this company. I'm not going to give out the name of it yet though, because I'm not sure if its against the rules and I havent heard back from the mod yet.

Sponsor
 



rugratzmommy
11-15-2003, 07:20 PM
That's great Free Spirit. I hope you'll be able to share some information with the rest of us. I have recently bought beCalm'd to start giving to my son as well as OPC's and Omega 3. I only bought one beCalm'd hoping to get a feel for whether it will be helpful before investing too much. I haven't started it yet, for some reason I'm a little hesitant. I am a bit worried about giving so many different things to my son. He takes Concerta in the morning and I've been trying to figure out when to give him the other things. Maybe you wouldn't mind sharing your opinion on the schedule I have come up with?????
Morning: Concerta
After school (4:00ish):OPC's (pine bark/grape seed extract)
Dinner time: Omega 3
Bedtime: beCalm'd

Do you think I would have any problems with this schedule? Do you think there would be a problem with taking beCalm'd at the same time as the OPC's?

May I ask how you've become so knowledgeable? You seem to know alot and I just wondered if you had researched alot or learned through trial and error.

Thanks. I hope you can give us more details soon on your discovery.

Smiles

* Free ~ Spirit *
11-15-2003, 08:22 PM
Lots of research and some trial and error of course ;)

I think that you may want to start with just either the beCalmd or the OPC. BeCalmd was wonderful for me. Some do good with the OPC, but if you start both at once the problem with that is that you may end up wasting your money buying both products when in reality only one of the products is working.

What's good about concerta is that it's not affected by fatty foods. So he can go ahead and take the omega3 with his breakfast. What type of Omega 3 is he taking? Gel cap or liquid form? If he is taking the gel caps then he should take one with breakfast, one with lunch, and one with dinner. Make sure you buy it from a company that cleanses all of the possible toxins out of it. It should say on the bottle, if it doesnt you can just call and ask the company. It should be a mix of EPA and DHA.

If you start with the OPC I'm not quite sure on when the best time for that to be given is.

As far as the beCalmd, if you only give it at bedtime you will see no results. Or if you do that will surely be an amazing reaction!! BeCalmd works best when it's taken 3 times daily. 1 hour an a half before or after a meal would be sufficiant in most cases, unless the meal contains a lot of fats and proteins then 2 hours after would be better. So, about an hour in a half before breakfast, an hour after lunch, and then 2 hours after dinner is a pretty good schedule. Only problem is if he's in school during the times he needs the afternoon dose. How old is he? Is he in school all day? If he can't take an afternoon dose around lunch try giving it as soon as he gets home from school (but he'll have to wait an hour an a half before he can eat an afterschool snack if you do this)

szarkam
11-16-2003, 07:15 PM
I am having trouble fitting the becalm'd in 3 times a day, my daughter is in school all day and is starving when she gets home. Would giving her 2 in the mornings be an okay idea?

* Free ~ Spirit *
11-16-2003, 08:39 PM
For some people it's ok to give two at a time. For others this will cause them to be a little sleepy. (also its not good if a child has a very sensitive stomach) Otherwise it should be fine.

It is ok to take beCalmd with a little bit of food if the food is carbs only. So depending on what she eats for after school snacks it might be ok for her to go ahead and take a dose with her snack.

szarkam
11-17-2003, 10:33 AM
Usually it is something like cookies and juice for a snack.
I gave her 2 this morning to try it out and see what happens

Palms1
11-17-2003, 12:56 PM
Free Spirit, did you ever hear back from the Moderators about posting the new company you were talking about?

* Free ~ Spirit *
11-17-2003, 02:28 PM
I never heard back. I guess I'll put a link in my profile for those who want it?? Hopefully that'll be fine.

szarkam
11-17-2003, 02:35 PM
I think are all interested in saving money on these products if they work the same.
Thanks for thinking of us Free~Spirit

Coopersmom
11-17-2003, 02:49 PM
Free Spirit, how do I get into your profile? When I click on it, a page pops up that says I am not allowed in that area. Any help would be appreciated. I would like to see what company this is too.

Thanks,
Vanessa

Coopersmom
11-17-2003, 02:50 PM
Or perhaps you could give us a hint as to what to do a search for in our search engine. By the way, thanks for all the company research!
Vanessa

szarkam
11-17-2003, 02:55 PM
I had the same problem

rugratzmommy
11-18-2003, 12:50 AM
Free Spirit
Thanks so much for you information. I may wait on the OPC's and try the beCalm'd and Neuromins right now. I will probably give him the neuromins with breakfast and dinner. He is in school so I will not be able to give him the beCalm'd at lunchtime. Breakfast may be a problem too as he eats right after he wakes up. Do you think I could give it to him when he gets home from school and then again toward bedtime?

The Neuromins is in the gel capsule form. It says take one capsule daily, should I give more than that?

I can't get into your profile either. Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks again for your help.
Smiles

Palms1
11-18-2003, 02:10 AM
Why not let the school nurse give it to your child?

* Free ~ Spirit *
11-18-2003, 02:32 AM
Well dang, apparently when they changed the board they messed with our profiles too! How rude!

-- herbaladvisor

* Free ~ Spirit *
11-18-2003, 02:39 AM
Free Spirit
Thanks so much for you information. I may wait on the OPC's and try the beCalm'd and Neuromins right now. I will probably give him the neuromins with breakfast and dinner. He is in school so I will not be able to give him the beCalm'd at lunchtime. Breakfast may be a problem too as he eats right after he wakes up. Do you think I could give it to him when he gets home from school and then again toward bedtime?

The Neuromins is in the gel capsule form. It says take one capsule daily, should I give more than that?

I can't get into your profile either. Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks again for your help.
Smiles


Don't give more than the bottle says, neuromins are not the type of omega3 I would actually recomend. Don't they contain only the DHA? If so, please take into acount next time you look for omega3 that both DHA and EPA are required for optimal brain performance. They did several studies on children with ADHD/learning disabilities and came to the conclusion that an omega3 supplement needs to contain both DHA and EPA to be helpful. I'm not saying that this won't be helpful at all, because it may very well be!! There is just a higher likelyhood of success when using an omega3 with both DHA and EPA. Giving it to him in the after school and at bedtime should be fine. But if after a month you still don't see any positive results it's likely that he needs to be able to take it 3 times daily. Palms asked a very good question... is it possible for the school nurse to give him an afternoon dose?

szarkam
11-18-2003, 10:39 AM
Why not rearrange ther morning routine and have him get ready first so you can give him the becalm'd as soon as he wakes up - that is what we are trying with my daughter and then it is about 25-30 minutes before she eats breakfast.

Coopersmom
11-18-2003, 01:45 PM
Free Spirit, thanks for the hint on the website, but, it's huge. Can we have another hint at what to search for that is comparable to Becalm'd? They do seem to have great prices.

Thanks,
Vanessa

szarkam
11-18-2003, 01:49 PM
More hints please :-)

rugratzmommy
11-18-2003, 02:10 PM
Free Spirit

I apologize for asking so many questions. I appreciate you taking the time to continue helping.

About the Omega3....I may get a different product as I want the best chance for the supplement to help. I may get "EFA Blend for Children Attention Focus for Children". Here is the ratio this product has...

Primary Ingredients Amount USRDA
Evening Primrose Oil, cold pressed 280 mg 0%
Fish Oil 580 mg 0%
Vitamin E (d-alpha tocopheryl) 30 IU 100%


I believe that is for the serving of 2 gel capsules. With this product my son would take 4 capsules daily. He has taken this product before. I know we must be careful about posting certain things on the board so we don't break any rules. Is it okay for you to post omega 3 products you feel might be helpful (if you don't feel the Attention Focus has the right ratios) or is that a violation of the rules? Do you think the Attention Focus I am talking about would provide the necessary amounts?

I know you have said beCalm'd and omega3 have been very helpful to you. I wondered if you have ever taken medicine yourself? I just wondered if you could compare if the beCalm'd and Omega3 has worked as well as medication.

I thought about szarkam's suggestion of giving the beCalm'd first and then letting my son get ready for school and then eat. Unfortunately my son is taking Concerta at the moment and my beCalm'd dosage instructions says that beCalm'd and medications should not be taken at the same time. It states there should be at least 2 hours separation time. That makes morning dosing rather difficult. In regards to Palms suggestion of dosing at school....I don't want him to have to take medicine at school if I can avoid it. He had previously been on ritalin and had to have it at lunchtime at school. Besides the ups and downs the ritalin caused as it wore off, I didn't like him having to take medicine at school. No matter how discreetly it's done, kids wonder and I am trying to avoid the stigma. We switched to Concerta to eliminate school dosing. I hope all of ya don't think I'm trying to be difficult, I'm truly not. I just know taking medicine (long term) at school can be embarrassing and especially at his age (9 yrs old in 4th grade). I don't want to add to any social issues he already has to deal with. On weekends I could give him a morning dose and then 2 more doses during the day. Do you think it would be harmful in any way to give him 2 beCalm'd daily during the week and then 3 on weekends or days off? I'm so sorry to be such a pain.

Ok, a couple more questions and I'll try to wrap this post up....from my understanding there are no interaction issues with taking Concerta, beCalm'd, OPC's and omega3. If I am understanding correctly, the dosing time frames and amounts are just to get optimal results and taking these different things (Concerta, beCalm'd, OPC's and Omega3) each day is safe. Am I assuming correctly?

I thank you for sharing your vast knowledge to help the rest of us. I really appreciate your willingness to share your experience and information.

Smiles

* Free ~ Spirit *
11-18-2003, 02:30 PM
Free Spirit, thanks for the hint on the website, but, it's huge. Can we have another hint at what to search for that is comparable to Becalm'd? They do seem to have great prices.

Thanks,
Vanessa

You can compare basically by looking at the ingrediants on the back of your beCalmd bottle. The DLPA 350mg comes with 120caps and can be cut in half. You can get all the ingrediants in the beCalmd seperate and it's cheaper. I wouldn't recomend this for young kids or if you only need to take 3 or 4 beCalmd daily. For me it was rather expensive as I was needing 6 or more. The 3 main ingrediants in beCalmd are DL-phenylalanine, L-glutamine, and 5-HTP, other ingrediants can be found in regular multi vitamins. (Some of the caps come in VERY high doses so if its for a child you would have to give half or even 1/4th)

The Taurine is very cheap ($3) and is helpful for some who have ADHD, and even tourettes. I like it, and get good effects only about 40min after taking it which suggests I had a very BIG taurine deficiancy.

This company sells vitamins, amino acids, herbs, homeopathic meds and more. Since this is the case I urge you to read the ingrediants carefully and only buy a product which contains ingrediants you are familiar with.

* Free ~ Spirit *
11-18-2003, 02:51 PM
Wow, lots to respond to lol. BeCalmd can be taken with stimulant meds. It should not be taken with MAOI's, anti psychotics, anti seizure meds, tryclicics(thats spelled wrong...ya know what I mean though, the anti depressant group includes things like nortryptiline) and high doses of SSRI's because it can cause serotonin levels to go too high. Stimulant medications should not be effected. (but as I told someone else, some children can be sensitive to it if they take both at the exact same time) but taking it in the same day or even within a couple hours is just fine. If he is sensitive to this actually it's most likely time to start lowering the med dose.

I did take medication when I was younger. My little brother was also on medication. I can say that I would never medicate a child of mine, nor suggest that another person medicate their child until after they have tried all possible other treatments. I was on Ritalin, Adderall, (plus a few others, nortryptiline was one, was on paxil for a very short while too) and I did a short trial on strattera (basically an experiment, wanted to see how it compared to the other types of meds as well as my treatment plan with supplements) For me the beCalmd works much better than medication!

About omega3 - My omega3 contains 180mg EPA, 120mg DHA. This is a combination that has been proven sucessful.
As far as twice beCalmd on weekdays then three times on the weekends it wouldn't be harmful but this might not really give it a chance to truely work. For some people dosing with beCalmd is they key and if the proper dose isn't given at the proper time it may not work.

As far as taking all things at once, beCalmd, OPC, omega3, well as I suggested earlier opc and omega3, or beCalmd and omega3 would be best. Otherwise, you are wasting your money. Try each of them at different times, give each one a chance to work. Then if it doesnt work as well as you had hoped try the other one.

Is there anyone out there who has tried OPC's and can give rugratz some more suggestions?

Coopersmom
11-18-2003, 03:16 PM
Okay, Free Spirit we are going to wear you out today!
1. You are saying that it's okay to take becalm'd with adderall in the morning?
2. Since I am new to the Board when you get a chance can you list what you consider helpful vitamins to help ADHD and why. I am very confused! :rolleyes:
Thanks,
Vanessa

Palms1
11-18-2003, 03:52 PM
Vanessa, if you want to make sure about the Becalm'd, just go to their website, they have a contact e-mail address where they will answer your questions. And for brain supplements, have you looked up the Dr. Amen website that I mentioned before? He has listed several brain nutrients (type in "Dr. Amen" and look for the website that has the word "brainplace" in it). On the left side border, under "Brain Care" is a listing of supplements.

* Free ~ Spirit *
11-18-2003, 11:57 PM
Okay, Free Spirit we are going to wear you out today!
1. You are saying that it's okay to take becalm'd with adderall in the morning?
2. Since I am new to the Board when you get a chance can you list what you consider helpful vitamins to help ADHD and why. I am very confused! :rolleyes:
Thanks,
Vanessa

For MOST people it is ok to take stimulant medications and beCalmd in the same dose. Some people are sensitive to this. The sensitivity may lead to dizziness and usually goes away after a few times of taking it at the same time. It is ok for EVERYONE even those who are very sensitive to take the beCalmd within a couple hours of stimulant medication.

I cannot list all of the vitamins that are helpful for ADD because there are so many. The same ones won't work for everyone.

Some of the good combo supplements are beCalmd, and one brainfog has suggested in the past by the Twin Lab company "twin lab, weight gain".

Different supplements seem to have more success with different subtypes of ADD. A more accurate nutritional treatment plan can be worked out when using Dr. Amens subtypes, as he describes 6 seperate types of ADD.

Many things have been helpful for ADHD children, some of the most common are, L-Tyrosine, Taurine, L-glutamine, GABA, DL-phenylalanine, omega3 fish oil, flaxseed oil, vitamin B and tons more.

Are you wondering about a vitamin or supplement that may work better than beCalmd for a certain symptom? Or just curious?

ADD subtype test:
http://groups.msn.com/TheADHDZone/addsubtypetest.msnw

free~spirit
12-01-2003, 04:30 AM
The new products and me -

Here is how things are going without my beCalmd.

My focus isn't as great as it was while I was on the beCalmd, this is most likely because I have more pills to remember to take and have to take the right combo to get that effect.(Glutamine, Phenylalanine, and 5-HTP)

I have added GABA which I would only recomend if your child is under the care of a nutritionalist or if you do research yourself and determine this is the correct supplement for you or your child. This supplement can be used in some cases in place of medications such as depakote and neurontin. I take it at bedtime and it helps me sleep. It also acts as a great anti anxiety.

The taurine seems to help a lot with movements. Not always moving around, and seems like my spacial sense has improved (not banging into the edge of tables or walls as much)

The theanine seems to be a great anti anxiety. As well as a great sleep aid at higher doses, it does produce a higher amount of slow brain waves (which may help some people with anxiety to focus better but may not be so great for all ADDers, depending on the subtype, because slow brain waves can be a problem for some ADDers)

szarkam
12-01-2003, 08:50 AM
Sounds like you are better in some areas and worse in others. I hope you find the right combo soon.





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