Sarah68
01-27-2003, 10:39 AM
Hi All,
I am not very 'up' on herbal remedies, mainly using homeopathic instead and I wonder if you who know more can tell me how Milk Thistle works and what it does? I know that it somehow supports liver function or cleanses the liver, but exactly what does it do and how do you take it? In Capsule, powder or tincture form?
If I need to support the liver, I tend to use the homeopathic remedy Chelidonium in a Mother Tincture form, taking 5-8 drops daily in water. This would be given in conjunction with a homeopathic constitutional remedy, probably with an affinity for the liver and I find that this seems to work well. However, I would just like a little more info on Milk Thistle if possible.
Thanks
I am not very 'up' on herbal remedies, mainly using homeopathic instead and I wonder if you who know more can tell me how Milk Thistle works and what it does? I know that it somehow supports liver function or cleanses the liver, but exactly what does it do and how do you take it? In Capsule, powder or tincture form?
If I need to support the liver, I tend to use the homeopathic remedy Chelidonium in a Mother Tincture form, taking 5-8 drops daily in water. This would be given in conjunction with a homeopathic constitutional remedy, probably with an affinity for the liver and I find that this seems to work well. However, I would just like a little more info on Milk Thistle if possible.
Thanks
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isolated one
01-27-2003, 12:00 PM
I've been taking Milk Thistle for the past five years. What started my interest in Milk Thistle was that I've been and still am a beer drinker, more so than in moderation but not every day or to the point of being a fall down drunk. I have my own personal proof that Milk Thistle works. Last year, I was having spells of extreme fatigue and just was not feeling well in general. The doctor had me do hundreds of dollors worth of blood work. They tested for most everything possible. The results came back as normal as can be, including the various liver enzyme tests. The only test showing a problem was that my testosterone level was low (there are natural ways to treat that as well). Anyway, my beer intake should have at least raised my liver enzymes but I believe the Milk Thistle was responsible in preventing that. The Vitamin E and Ginseng could have helped to some extent but I doubt not nearly as much as the Milk Thistle. There is more than enough proof out there that Milk Thistle aids in liver health. It's even used by the medical establishment in some cases of sudden toxic liver conditions.
... BTW, I take the capsule form because it's simply more convenient being that I take so many supplements daily. Only use a "standardized" product which is usually 175 mg standardized to 80% Silymarin. Hope this helps.
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... BTW, I take the capsule form because it's simply more convenient being that I take so many supplements daily. Only use a "standardized" product which is usually 175 mg standardized to 80% Silymarin. Hope this helps.
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Sarah68
01-27-2003, 03:22 PM
Thanks for that. The info was all very helpful and I have bought some of the same strength that you suggested today.
Is it ok to take them long term?
Initally, some patients can be a little more sceptical of homeopathy than herbal medicine, so it is just good to be able to offer an alternative until they come round to the idea of homeopathy fully.
Thanks
Is it ok to take them long term?
Initally, some patients can be a little more sceptical of homeopathy than herbal medicine, so it is just good to be able to offer an alternative until they come round to the idea of homeopathy fully.
Thanks
Harry
01-27-2003, 04:24 PM
Sarah,
Milk thistle --- basically protects the liver from toxins and other pollutants by preventing free radical damage as well as increases new liver cell growth. It's also good for protecting the kidneys, gallbladder, helps a weak immune system and has been used as a anticancer herb that effects some types of cancer --breast and protate.
The only problem is that herbs are not regulated as homeopathic remedies are ---- So, you have to search for a GOOD reliable producer. In a health food stores here in the USA. The only thing that is FDA approved is homeopathic remedies made according to the "Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of Unitied States". They all even have lot numbers on them on each container. It's not so with herbs.
Maybe some day a standard will be developed for vitamins, minerals and supplements--- but not as of yet!!!
Harry
Milk thistle --- basically protects the liver from toxins and other pollutants by preventing free radical damage as well as increases new liver cell growth. It's also good for protecting the kidneys, gallbladder, helps a weak immune system and has been used as a anticancer herb that effects some types of cancer --breast and protate.
The only problem is that herbs are not regulated as homeopathic remedies are ---- So, you have to search for a GOOD reliable producer. In a health food stores here in the USA. The only thing that is FDA approved is homeopathic remedies made according to the "Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of Unitied States". They all even have lot numbers on them on each container. It's not so with herbs.
Maybe some day a standard will be developed for vitamins, minerals and supplements--- but not as of yet!!!
Harry
isolated one
01-27-2003, 06:13 PM
Sarah, Milk Thistle is one of the very few herbs that doesn't have any real side effects or other contraindications (none I'm aware of anyway). And unlike so many of the other popular herbs, I haven't read any claims against long term use. It's been said to have a possible slight laxative effect in some but not most people. Harry is right in suggesting buying from a reputable company. Over the years, Nature's Way has gained my trust as the best and Solaray is probably a close second (this is my opinion). I would stay away from specific brands you only find for example in K Mart or Wal Mart. I agree there should be better standards for the industry. With many herbs, you often don't know the potency, however there is "standardization". You know you're taking a strong enough product and just how strong it is. The only problem is that there are some companies out there that don't give you what's on their label. This is the exception and not the rule. I do NOT believe the FDA should be the ones in charge of a better regulation process. That would be the first step in getting them removed from the shelves. As you know, the FDA is very much on the side of the drug companies who see the alternative medicine industry as a threat to their business. I don't have much trust in the FDA anyway because they've often been to quick to approve medicines and food additives which are clearly dangerous. Two perfect examples are Prozac and Aspertame. How these products are still allowed on the market is beyond me!
Sarah68
01-27-2003, 06:18 PM
Thank you both for your input and info. That is very helpful and anytime you need to know anything about homeopathy I am always willing to oblige.
I agree wholeheartedly about the FDA.
Thanks again.
Sarah
I agree wholeheartedly about the FDA.
Thanks again.
Sarah
Tangle
01-29-2003, 05:25 AM
Milk Thistle seed contains appreciatible amounts of Silymarin a potent flavinoid that acts as an antioxidant in the liver specifically.
I have been using MT for several yrs with no bad effects. I combine 1 part Turmeric to 2 parts MT for liver health. Artichoke leaves also act similar to MT and Turmeric, but they are extreamly bitter if using free-form like i do.
I have been using MT for several yrs with no bad effects. I combine 1 part Turmeric to 2 parts MT for liver health. Artichoke leaves also act similar to MT and Turmeric, but they are extreamly bitter if using free-form like i do.
Farmer Sue Tickle
01-29-2003, 11:50 AM
One last word on MT and that not only does it help clean the liver etc. it also encourages regeneration of the liver, which I believe nothing in the FDAs box of tricks is able to do (unless it's synthesised from Silymarin of course).
I have taken MT in pill form from a 'particular' brand ( ;)) which has a worldwide reputation and I had very good results. I'm also going to try a tincture, and don't know why I don't take it more regularly. Make friends with your liver and you'll reap big benefits!
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I have taken MT in pill form from a 'particular' brand ( ;)) which has a worldwide reputation and I had very good results. I'm also going to try a tincture, and don't know why I don't take it more regularly. Make friends with your liver and you'll reap big benefits!
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wenron
01-29-2003, 05:00 PM
Why cigarettes are still on the shelf is another amazing one to me...yet they banned Cansema from the US and it's taking away my skin cancers...HMMMM
BetaChiAngel
01-29-2003, 10:27 PM
Hi all,
I've always wondered about milk thistle for the liver. A question for anyone who may know: Right now I'm taking a fairly high dosage of xanax, and am concerned about the effects it may be taking on my liver. Will taking milk thistle be beneficial for me? From what I understand it helps detoxify the liver, so I'm assuming it would be a good thing for me, but any input would be appreciated!
I've always wondered about milk thistle for the liver. A question for anyone who may know: Right now I'm taking a fairly high dosage of xanax, and am concerned about the effects it may be taking on my liver. Will taking milk thistle be beneficial for me? From what I understand it helps detoxify the liver, so I'm assuming it would be a good thing for me, but any input would be appreciated!
Farmer Sue Tickle
01-30-2003, 11:27 AM
BCA, on the face of it MT will certainly help your liver but who knows what the possible interactions are with Zanax ?
I think what a lot of us need to do is get a herb/pharmaceutical interaction book and read up. I'm fortunate in that I don't take any more pharmaceuticals (my 'handle' is something of an irony) so I can just go to the herb interaction book, however additional drugs add another compexity. Good luck!
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I think what a lot of us need to do is get a herb/pharmaceutical interaction book and read up. I'm fortunate in that I don't take any more pharmaceuticals (my 'handle' is something of an irony) so I can just go to the herb interaction book, however additional drugs add another compexity. Good luck!
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isolated one
01-30-2003, 10:16 PM
Since Xanax is fairly new to the market, I really can't give an honest answer about using Milk Thistle along with it.
BetaChiAngel
02-08-2003, 11:39 AM
I definitely agree that we need to find a drug/herbal interaction guide, that would be really helpful. I also wondered if there would be interations between xanax and milk thistle, which has prevented me from taking it. Luckily, I have FINALLY http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/bang.gif found a naturopathic doctor in my area- I'm going to see him next week for a 2 hour appointment, Im so excited. Boy do I have a ton of questions for him!
farscape66
03-07-2003, 12:05 PM
I take 3 Milk Thistle caps a day for the last 3 months. Just had blood work done again, eagerly await to see it's effect (if any) on the liver numbers.
farscape66
04-08-2003, 11:15 AM
I use a brand called Siliphos or otherwise know as Maximum Milk Thistle. It's great stuff!!!
RageOfAngels
08-09-2003, 07:32 PM
Hi all,
Sorry for resurrecting such an old post, but it does have some great info, and I was looking for some help for my liver, which is sluggish and gets backed up.
A few people mentioned Silymarin, which I guess is a derivative of Milk Thistle? Anyway, I happened to see it this very day in the Vitamin Shoppe and didn't know what it was.
My question is, would it be more beneficial to take Silymarin itself. or Milk Thistle to help the liver?
Thanks,
Al
Sorry for resurrecting such an old post, but it does have some great info, and I was looking for some help for my liver, which is sluggish and gets backed up.
A few people mentioned Silymarin, which I guess is a derivative of Milk Thistle? Anyway, I happened to see it this very day in the Vitamin Shoppe and didn't know what it was.
My question is, would it be more beneficial to take Silymarin itself. or Milk Thistle to help the liver?
Thanks,
Al
Sarah68
08-11-2003, 12:06 PM
The Silymarin is actually part of the Milk Thistle itself and it is best to take Milk Thistle that has Silymarin in it.
You can buy the Standardised version, which starts anywhere from 175mg Milk Thistle with 80% Silymarin. Think you can go up to 250 mg Milk Thistle. The Silymarin is the bit that helps hepatocyte regeneration, but it is really part and parcel of the same thing and should normally be taken together.
Good luck
You can buy the Standardised version, which starts anywhere from 175mg Milk Thistle with 80% Silymarin. Think you can go up to 250 mg Milk Thistle. The Silymarin is the bit that helps hepatocyte regeneration, but it is really part and parcel of the same thing and should normally be taken together.
Good luck
Tangle
08-12-2003, 05:35 AM
Dandelion root is actually better for sluggish liver. Both these herbs work real good together.
Also, for sluggish liver, supplement with soya lecithin caps and vitamin B-12. A good B-vitamin complex will also help your overal metabolism.
Also, for sluggish liver, supplement with soya lecithin caps and vitamin B-12. A good B-vitamin complex will also help your overal metabolism.
RageOfAngels
08-12-2003, 06:27 PM
Thanks for the B-vitamin recommend. I also just read about lecithin as an aid yesterday too. I will try these.

