Hello.
Has enyone stopped taking hydro, and started taking tylenol with codeine before? I thought it would be a good idea to start taking something less strong, but I am pretty weak today...not really having any withdrawls though.....
also kind of depressed...
but that could be some other reason.
I was taking more then 10 hydros a day!!!!!!!!
If anyone has an input I would appreciate it.
thanks

Hey Julie,

In my opinion, that is withdrawals. When I first began abusing hydro's and was at a 10 a day habit- I could stop taking them (if I ran out or whatever...) and not have really bad physical withdrawals, like the sweats/chills, shakes, upset stomach, etc., I was just extremely weak and lethargic and depressed feeling. Those were the first symptoms I experienced.

Are you trying to quit using the Tylenol 3? Let me know!

Are you okay? I noticed you said you could be depressed for other issues- just want to make sure you are okay. I care about you, girl! :)

Check back with me,
Michelle

Hey Julie,

In my opinion, that is withdrawals. When I first began abusing hydro's and was at a 10 a day habit- I could stop taking them (if I ran out or whatever...) and not have really bad physical withdrawals, like the sweats/chills, shakes, upset stomach, etc., I was just extremely weak and lethargic and depressed feeling. Those were the first symptoms I experienced.

Are you trying to quit using the Tylenol 3? Let me know!

Are you okay? I noticed you said you could be depressed for other issues- just want to make sure you are okay. I care about you, girl! :)

Check back with me,
Michelle
HI
Well, I am fine this morning.
I have 3 kids, and I love them so much, 2 boys 16 and 13 and a girl 4.....
Well, I tend to be a worrier.
My first husband was killed about 12 years ago.
and shortly after that my brother died of cancer.
Sometimes I worry so much about things.!!
Both my boys got their grades,and they had dropped down.
So, i start thinking, am I a bad mother, this that and the other thing.
Then the past creeps in, etc.
But basically i am ok. I am on paxil for the depression.
hope you are doing good today and thanks for caring.

I am sorry to hear about your husband.

Are you re-married? Or at this alone? Don't let guilt grab ahold of you- I battle that, too, daily- the guilt thing. You are good mother- just try to get off these pills before your habit ends up like mine was!

Hang in there and maybe you can taper off for good with the Tylenol 3! Know that I am here for you whenever you need to talk!

Take care and God bless,
Michelle

Hello.
Has enyone stopped taking hydro, and started taking tylenol with codeine before? I thought it would be a good idea to start taking something less strong, but I am pretty weak today...not really having any withdrawls though.....
also kind of depressed...
but that could be some other reason.
I was taking more then 10 hydros a day!!!!!!!!
If anyone has an input I would appreciate it.
thanks

BlueJulie

Yes - I came off tylenol with codeine - its really quite a mild withdrawal. Get your dosage down as far as you can - I then c/t at 12 pills a day. Took 4/5 days to get thro - but didnt stop me doing anything incl work. Just mild fluey feelings/headache .......Nothing else.
Good idea to do this - stick with it!

Y

I am sorry to hear about your husband.

Are you re-married? Or at this alone? Don't let guilt grab ahold of you- I battle that, too, daily- the guilt thing. You are good mother- just try to get off these pills before your habit ends up like mine was!

Hang in there and maybe you can taper off for good with the Tylenol 3! Know that I am here for you whenever you need to talk!

Take care and God bless,
Michelle
HI!!
I know everyone has their problems and I was not trying to complain!!
I was just trying to tell you my story, in a nutshell.
Yes, I have been remarried to a great guy for 5 years.
After my first husband was killed (totally unexpected: he was shot by a gang of "kids" 5 of them 17 & 18 yrs old, just out "having fun" HA)
I totally freaked out for a year and drank a lot (mostly beer.)
Of course, I feel guilty about that too. Then finally I was so drunk and got
behind the wheel , thank God my kids were not with me, and got a DUI.
WAKE UP CALL.
I really have not drank much since then.
I have been abusing pills for about 2 years, off and on. lately very much ON.
talk to you soon~ by the way I hope today is a good day for you, and I appreciate you SO much.

Julie,

Thats what we are hear for to help each other out with "our" problems ;) beacuse of this great forum "your" problem is also "ours" right Babe!.............Keep doing whatever helps you through the day ok.

Franko

Hey Julie,

So sorry to hear about your husband. Yesterday morning a man was killed in my hometown (where my grandparents live and most of the rest of my family). He and his wife owned a "mom and pop" convenient store and he was robbed and for some reason they killed him execution style. I really don't know what this world is coming to......don't get me started on the justice system!!!! Didi they ever catch the "kids" who killed your husband? That's insane....

Yeah, come here and whine away any time you want. I know I sure do! I'll always be here to listen and hopefully help you!

Take care and ya'll have a good night,
Michelle

Hey Julie,

So sorry to hear about your husband. Yesterday morning a man was killed in my hometown (where my grandparents live and most of the rest of my family). He and his wife owned a "mom and pop" convenient store and he was robbed and for some reason they killed him execution style. I really don't know what this world is coming to......don't get me started on the justice system!!!! Didi they ever catch the "kids" who killed your husband? That's insane....

Yeah, come here and whine away any time you want. I know I sure do! I'll always be here to listen and hopefully help you!

Take care and ya'll have a good night,
Michelle

Thanks guys!
Yes, they caught the guys and they all went to jail.
The guy that actually shot him, got life with a possibility of
parole in 15 years (not too far away).
I am feeling pretty good this morning, and hope that all of you are too.
I am due for a refill on the hydros tomorrow, but no refills left, so
the pharmacy has to call the dr. to get them filled.
so, we will see if that happens.
at this point i am really not too worried about it though.............
I am assuming one of these days he will cut me off, but he just
keeps okaying the refills..........
have a great day everyone.

Julie,

Do you think you could find the will-power NOT to call the pharmacy and get your hydro's refilled? Since you aren't doing too terribly bad, maybe you could take this opportunity and get off of them. I know you could do it and you would have the Tylenol 3's to help if you had withdrawals Think about it....PLEASE!

Take care, girl,
Michelle

Julie
Just want to agree with what Michelle is saying.
Obviously it is up to you................. but................ this might just be the golden opportunity?
You have to face it one day? Why not a day of your own choosing and not when your doc cuts you off?
Go for it?
Y

HI!!!
Well, I appreciate everything you guys are saying.
I have been laying around most of the day, I have today off....
NO ENERGY and sleepy.
I called for my refill at 9:00am
and I checked at 1:00 and nothing had
been called in yet..
I thought I would just wait till 5 and either call or see
if the pharmacy will call me.
I know, pathetic.
On one hand I know they give me energy, etc.
on the other hand I know it is VERY wrong, and it
is terrible for my body. I know it is wrong to pop a pill when things are stressfull, but that is what I do.
thank you for your support.
Hope you guys are doing good too.

HI
I was going to start a new topic but I thought I better just add to this one.
Okay, called the pharmacy and of course my refill was finally called in, with 2 refills.......
I have not seen my dr. that prescribes this crap for at least 2 months, but he just keeps refilling it for me!!!
Okay, of course I am not blaming my dr. for the stupid mistakes he makes. HE is not making me take it.
Nobody is MAKING me get on the comp. and order from OP's.
I am thinking back to when I told my husband about this, he was worried and concerned, and that is as far as it got with him. I remember about a month after I told him about it, trying to talk about tapering, etc. and he told me I was a "big girl", whatever that means. I took it to mean I am on my own.
I talked to my mom a while ago about the pills, and she told me she thought if I wanted to taper, she thought I could do it "on my own". PLEASE!!! I have tried to taper on my own, I cannot do it!! AM I WEAK???????
so sorry, but I am confused and have to vent.
So many other people out there have SO many worse problems than me..........
I appperciate you putting up with me and any replies will be appreciated!!!!!!!! thanks

HI
I was going to start a new topic but I thought I better just add to this one.
Okay, called the pharmacy and of course my refill was finally called in, with 2 refills.......
I have not seen my dr. that prescribes this crap for at least 2 months, but he just keeps refilling it for me!!!
Okay, of course I am not blaming my dr. for the stupid mistakes he makes. HE is not making me take it.
Nobody is MAKING me get on the comp. and order from OP's.
I am thinking back to when I told my husband about this, he was worried and concerned, and that is as far as it got with him. I remember about a month after I told him about it, trying to talk about tapering, etc. and he told me I was a "big girl", whatever that means. I took it to mean I am on my own.
I talked to my mom a while ago about the pills, and she told me she thought if I wanted to taper, she thought I could do it "on my own". PLEASE!!! I have tried to taper on my own, I cannot do it!! AM I WEAK???????
so sorry, but I am confused and have to vent.
So many other people out there have SO many worse problems than me..........
I appperciate you putting up with me and any replies will be appreciated!!!!!!!! thanks

oops that was: I am not blaming my dr. for the stupid mistakes I MAKE!!!!!!

Julie
Just want to agree with what Michelle is saying.
Obviously it is up to you................. but................ this might just be the golden opportunity?
You have to face it one day? Why not a day of your own choosing and not when your doc cuts you off?
Go for it?
Y

Thank you.
You and Michelle are the voices of reason, and I DO understand that
and appreciate it more than you know. I thank GOD for the people here
and the support that you give.
please hang in there with me.
:rolleyes:

Hey Julie,

I could never taper either...never. I tried countless number of times and I just ended up "giving up." If I knew I had pills...I took them. And when I first went to my husband and parents about my problem...both of them said that I was a strong woman and they had faith in me that I could quit. But for those who have never been addicted to anything DO NOT understand. Finally, my husband went to "one of my doctors" and talked to him and we did a taper with my husband controlling the pills. (Obviously, that didn't last too long.)

Maybe you could go back to your husband and explain to him that the problem is a larger than you are and you need help with a taper. Could you do that? Would he hand out your pills to you? It's worth a shot.

I am here if you need me-hang in there, girl. Ditto on being tired today...I have been so so lazy! It's bitter cold here...so no getting "out." Stuck in the house!

Take care and keep me posted,
Michelle

Hi, Michelle and Julie,

Julie, I have heard about people doing a taper after with the codeine and that being easier than straight from hydro. If I still have hydro left though, I just start taking them together and running out. Listen to yinsky and Michelle, they have alot of wisdom to share.

Michelle, I am progressing, though slowly on my taper. Just wanted to know how it happened for you when you relapsed on the tapers. Did you just start taking a few extra here and there? Or did you just go nuts and start taking 10 at a time? I know you said you went through 100 in 2 weeks, but just wondering how it happened when you fell off, and how far down you ever got, whenever you get a chance.

Sorry about the cold. I did my cold duty in college in upstate New York (record cold my freshman year with a windchill of 80 below) and swore to try out southern california and never live where it is that cold. I grew up in Maryland though, so I know that there are maybe just a few weeks a year where the cold is really bitter. At least you know it will pass. When I went jogging at school on Mother's Day and got snowed upon, I decided that was absolutely ridiculous.

Stay warm and well. I am sure you will be tired for awhile, but I know you will be doing great again. You already accomplish so much.

rosie

Julie,

Thats what we are hear for to help each other out with "our" problems ;) beacuse of this great forum "your" problem is also "ours" right Babe!.............Keep doing whatever helps you through the day ok.

Franko

Hi Happy.
How are you?
I have not heard how you are doing for a while.
I hope you are doing good.
Are you cutting down on the pills????

Why does life have to be such a struggle sometimes?? :confused:

Guess we have to take the BAD with the GOOD.
I miss hearing from you, and hope to hear something from you soon.

Julie
FWIW - I just want to state the obvious! This is an addiction - and addiction is a disease. (according to the WHO and other medical agencies) You are not to blame - you are a very sick girl - not bad or weak - ill. And - yes - your doctor does have responsibility in my view. To keep prescribing the way he is doing - given your adddiction - is not right. Have you ever been honest with him? Perhaps you should think about this? Ask him to help to withdraw you - after all - he has been prescribing the drugs which have got you into this mess?
Julie - I think it is almost impossible for a person to do this on her own - you should try and get some help - family/friends/doctor/NA or whatever best suits you.
I wish you well
Y

Julie
FWIW - I just want to state the obvious! This is an addiction - and addiction is a disease. (according to the WHO and other medical agencies) You are not to blame - you are a very sick girl - not bad or weak - ill. And - yes - your doctor does have responsibility in my view. To keep prescribing the way he is doing - given your adddiction - is not right. Have you ever been honest with him? Perhaps you should think about this? Ask him to help to withdraw you - after all - he has been prescribing the drugs which have got you into this mess?
Julie - I think it is almost impossible for a person to do this on her own - you should try and get some help - family/friends/doctor/NA or whatever best suits you.
I wish you well
Y

THANK YOU!!!!
I feel so alone right now so I really appreciate you!!!!!!
I have thought several times to go see him, and like you said, be
honest with him and tell him I am addicted.
I was talking to my mom yesterday about all of this and she kind of scared me.
she said, what is going to happen when the hydros. are not enough for you,
and you turn to taking something even stronger. I am not sure that she knows what she is talking about here, and I have never even thought about taking anything "stronger". She is just worried about me.
Thanks again everybody

Julie
Your mum is of course right. Addiction is a progressive disease - it doesnt just go away nor does it stay still - it progresses. You will need more and more pills until ......... and I hope Chef will fogive me for quoting him (roughly!)- "one pill is too many and 1000 are not enough"
Get a hold of this now before your "habit" gets any bigger - and believe me - it will if you do nothing.
Julie - I suppose I could say that I dont want to frighten you - but maybe I do. This is a life threatening disease - it does kill people.
You are smart - you have come here and asked for advice - be even smarter and take the advice? Get upfront with your doctor. Get on a taper. A referral to some councelling might be good too? You have everything in life to look forward to - but this addiction will rob you of it all if you dont do something.
And - sounds to me as if you might have a good friend in your mum?
Y

Just wanted you to know I was thinking of you today. I know all of this seems scary and sometimes "overwhelming," but you have to do what is going to be best for you in the long run and getting off these pills is best!

Hang in there and God bless! Post me if you need to talk,
Michelle

Julie,

Thats what we are hear for to help each other out with "our" problems ;) beacuse of this great forum "your" problem is also "ours" right Babe!.............Keep doing whatever helps you through the day ok.

Franko

Happy, how are you?
I nocticed that you have not posted in a while!
Hope all is well with you, and PLEASE let us know, ok???
thanks