hugo eve
01-26-2004, 07:06 AM
Hi
I'm a bit worried that so many of you are concerned with pain. Pain is no more than an emotion. Childbirth is arguably the greatest pain yet, but would any women forgo that experience for the pain? If childbirth creates the greatest pain can one say that pain is bad? Could one go on to say that pain is good? In the case of childbirth yes one can. Is childbith spiritual? Yes. Each an everyone of us has succumbed to pain in its many forms. Is it harmful? Of course not. So many of you if not all of you <shudder> worry about which doctor is going to give you this mg or that mg of drugs. Pain is your bodies voice talking to you. It is the greatest voice you can listen to. Don't take drugs to dampen your own voice. I wont say by listening to your own voice you wont feel the pain but I will say the pain wont hurt. Its an emotion not pain.
Ask yourself why Americans feel pain more than most? Maybe you guys are out of touch? I register pain. Its a part of me. How can me hurt me? I would be stupid to do that, right? Accept the pain as an emotion, work with the emotion, work with your body to heal. You are one, mind, body and soul. Be positive, accepting pain is a negative. Let pain be your mate, love your pain, If you love it how can it hurt you? I registered the feeling of pain, I accepted it and discarded it. How can I hurt myself... I can't. Unless I wish to... Do you?
Ditch the drugs guys, unless you wish to hurt.
Toughen up, please.
Love and Health
Hugo (F c456 recently without painkillers)
I'm a bit worried that so many of you are concerned with pain. Pain is no more than an emotion. Childbirth is arguably the greatest pain yet, but would any women forgo that experience for the pain? If childbirth creates the greatest pain can one say that pain is bad? Could one go on to say that pain is good? In the case of childbirth yes one can. Is childbith spiritual? Yes. Each an everyone of us has succumbed to pain in its many forms. Is it harmful? Of course not. So many of you if not all of you <shudder> worry about which doctor is going to give you this mg or that mg of drugs. Pain is your bodies voice talking to you. It is the greatest voice you can listen to. Don't take drugs to dampen your own voice. I wont say by listening to your own voice you wont feel the pain but I will say the pain wont hurt. Its an emotion not pain.
Ask yourself why Americans feel pain more than most? Maybe you guys are out of touch? I register pain. Its a part of me. How can me hurt me? I would be stupid to do that, right? Accept the pain as an emotion, work with the emotion, work with your body to heal. You are one, mind, body and soul. Be positive, accepting pain is a negative. Let pain be your mate, love your pain, If you love it how can it hurt you? I registered the feeling of pain, I accepted it and discarded it. How can I hurt myself... I can't. Unless I wish to... Do you?
Ditch the drugs guys, unless you wish to hurt.
Toughen up, please.
Love and Health
Hugo (F c456 recently without painkillers)
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DonnaKay
01-26-2004, 01:21 PM
Maybe I am misreading this - but it sounds like you are generalizing pain.
What you feel may not be what someone else feels.
I gave birth three times - all were different, but it was the last birth that gave me insight into the pain other women had been telling me about.
I completely respect my pain and others' pain. I can understand that you feel mighty that you went through your surgery without pain meds. But don't belittle those of us who did. I feel mighty having gone through the surgery and being back at work.
I have a very high tolerance for pain - always have. Prior to this surgery I was taking pain killers every 4 hours without fail, even through the night. I don't think less of myself because I did.
What you feel may not be what someone else feels.
I gave birth three times - all were different, but it was the last birth that gave me insight into the pain other women had been telling me about.
I completely respect my pain and others' pain. I can understand that you feel mighty that you went through your surgery without pain meds. But don't belittle those of us who did. I feel mighty having gone through the surgery and being back at work.
I have a very high tolerance for pain - always have. Prior to this surgery I was taking pain killers every 4 hours without fail, even through the night. I don't think less of myself because I did.
nero
01-26-2004, 05:37 PM
I find it hard to respond to your message that pain is possibly good, and just an emotion, other than the fact that pain can elicit a response which means one tends to help oneself or at least find out the source of the pain symptom.
However, pain as a positive outcome I find difficult to accept. Just because I too have a high pain tolerance and can treadmill for an hour five times a week, regardless of the two spinal chord compressions I suffer in the cervical and lumbar area, doesn't mean I have to like it. Definitely I have learned to work with my pain, tolerate my pain, explore my pain and minimize it by rationalization and more often than not, drug free. I am blessed i think with that ability.
The ability you have "Hugo..", DonnaKay has, and i feel I have to a degree, doesn't mean others have that strength. My best friend is my age, in her 40's with two kids, a hubby and trying to make a life for herself through suffering the debilitation and pain of M.S. She "smokes", takes morphine, and other drugs in order to sustain some semblance of coherency each day through the pain. The pain of cervical disc herniation and spinal chord pain (like many of us have had) is the same as the lesions caused on the nerve endings from M.S. I have had a difficult time since my injury complaining on any level to her about my pain, although she is fully appreciative, but I would never, as they say tell her to "suck it up".
If I had not known my pain was mechanical and was fixable within reason and not known there was a conceivable minimizing of my pain or potential eradication of it, I probably would have found it hard to minimize the pain I suffered. My friend and many others like her who suffer progressive long term pain don't have this intellectual luxury.
So be A LOT careful when you generalize (as DonnaKay) said. We'll all like each other's input and we all have a right to be proud of our abilities but yours too could be judged in terms of exactly what kind of pain it is you too suffer. I like the fact that you ask us to contemplate our pain and work with it, clearly that is everyone's option, but try telling that to our ballet director's mother who had ALS and couldn't swallow at the end to save her life.
Just a thought.
Nearly new... Nero
However, pain as a positive outcome I find difficult to accept. Just because I too have a high pain tolerance and can treadmill for an hour five times a week, regardless of the two spinal chord compressions I suffer in the cervical and lumbar area, doesn't mean I have to like it. Definitely I have learned to work with my pain, tolerate my pain, explore my pain and minimize it by rationalization and more often than not, drug free. I am blessed i think with that ability.
The ability you have "Hugo..", DonnaKay has, and i feel I have to a degree, doesn't mean others have that strength. My best friend is my age, in her 40's with two kids, a hubby and trying to make a life for herself through suffering the debilitation and pain of M.S. She "smokes", takes morphine, and other drugs in order to sustain some semblance of coherency each day through the pain. The pain of cervical disc herniation and spinal chord pain (like many of us have had) is the same as the lesions caused on the nerve endings from M.S. I have had a difficult time since my injury complaining on any level to her about my pain, although she is fully appreciative, but I would never, as they say tell her to "suck it up".
If I had not known my pain was mechanical and was fixable within reason and not known there was a conceivable minimizing of my pain or potential eradication of it, I probably would have found it hard to minimize the pain I suffered. My friend and many others like her who suffer progressive long term pain don't have this intellectual luxury.
So be A LOT careful when you generalize (as DonnaKay) said. We'll all like each other's input and we all have a right to be proud of our abilities but yours too could be judged in terms of exactly what kind of pain it is you too suffer. I like the fact that you ask us to contemplate our pain and work with it, clearly that is everyone's option, but try telling that to our ballet director's mother who had ALS and couldn't swallow at the end to save her life.
Just a thought.
Nearly new... Nero
Rolex
01-26-2004, 07:11 PM
Ask yourself why Americans feel pain more than most?
Hugo (F c456 recently without painkillers)
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That is a very odd question, Hugo. If I move up to Canada and become a citizen
there, will I be in less pain because I'm Canadian?
Hugo (F c456 recently without painkillers)
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That is a very odd question, Hugo. If I move up to Canada and become a citizen
there, will I be in less pain because I'm Canadian?
Rolex
02-09-2004, 02:32 PM
Hugo eve, please come back and talk to us and let us know how yoou are doing.
We miss you.
Hope everything is going well for you..
Rolex
We miss you.
Hope everything is going well for you..
Rolex
hzz
02-10-2004, 03:40 PM
I sort of understand this post, though dealing with pain and living without pain killers is difficult. I'm on an anti-depressent, Pamelor, and after about six months post surgery (ACDF) was finally able to quit pain pills. I think your body naturally lowers the amount of pain you feel, but this takes time! One thing about pain pills, the more you take over time, the more you need to get an equivelant relief.
feelbad
02-10-2004, 06:22 PM
I was reading this post by hugo eve and could not believe my eyes.Love my pain?excuse me?I had the misfortune to have a herniated disc a few years ago,and most of the time, i toughed out my pain with tylenol aleeve ,ice packs or anything else that would work.I eventually had surgery that turned into a total nightmare when earlier last year, a group of blood vessels that had been lurking unknown to me, started to bleed inside my spinal cord.I had to have the scariest surgery of my life when they were forced to go inside and dig the lesion out.Well, i am now left with severe neuro defects in my l hand and leg.i can no longer feel hot or cold sensations on my R side and within the last few months developed central pain syndrome with the beginning stages of RSD in my R knee and foot.The pain that i was having with my herniated disc is now something i long for.i would love to go back to that level of pain right now, as the pain that i am having now is some kind of hidious form of torture.Do you know what it feels like to have a feeling in your entire arm practically 24/7 like someone is taking fingernails and starting at the very top of your arm and digging into your skin and scraping them all the way down your arms,and if that isn't bad enough, you feel like the skin on your legs is being pulled so tight that it feels like it is going to rip?I cannot even stand to have a hug from my children as when they place their hands even lightly on my back,the pain is just excruciating.This is currently my life right now.It sucks But i am dealing with it as best i can.And I don't need a slap in the face from some one who has never walked in my shoes.How dare you!If you made it through your surgery with out any painkillers i am happy for you.But don't presume that if i or anyone else on this board suffers from chronic or severe pain that we are some kind of whimps or something.And by the way, pain CAN hurt you.Do you have any idea of just how many chronic pain sufferers out there commit suicide every year because their Drs refuse to even address their pain?Please,if you cant say anything more encouraging than "love your pain" and boast about your lack of using painkillers after your surgery,keep your thoughts to yourself okay? Marcia
tiffanyharrison
02-10-2004, 11:48 PM
I agree with everyone elses responses. I am glad that hugo you managed to control your pain yourself. I for one have had 3 kids via induction and yup opted for pain meds. hugo,if your male you have NO idea what the pain of having a child is,so please dont use that as an example.
Every person has a different tolerance level of pain,some are higher than others, dont look down on people that take painkillers.......should i look down on my mother for taking them because she has a herniated disc that makes her almost unable to walk on some days??? should i look down on my 4 yr old daughter since her prognosis further on in life is going to require a painkiller in order to function,otherwise she will have excrutiating headaches,along with backaches?
There are some really great and supportive people on this board, they have answered questions when i have asked them and given me support when needed,no i dont have any back spine issues myself but i have my first pride and joy who has some very serious issues going on....dont tell people how to be....it only shows your arrogance...
Tiffany
Emily 4 sbo,missing spinous process entire lumbar region,diastematomyelia,tethered spinal cord,peanut allergy and latex precations
Catie 2
Andrew 1
Every person has a different tolerance level of pain,some are higher than others, dont look down on people that take painkillers.......should i look down on my mother for taking them because she has a herniated disc that makes her almost unable to walk on some days??? should i look down on my 4 yr old daughter since her prognosis further on in life is going to require a painkiller in order to function,otherwise she will have excrutiating headaches,along with backaches?
There are some really great and supportive people on this board, they have answered questions when i have asked them and given me support when needed,no i dont have any back spine issues myself but i have my first pride and joy who has some very serious issues going on....dont tell people how to be....it only shows your arrogance...
Tiffany
Emily 4 sbo,missing spinous process entire lumbar region,diastematomyelia,tethered spinal cord,peanut allergy and latex precations
Catie 2
Andrew 1
REC73
02-12-2004, 03:40 AM
Let me first start by gagging!
And second can we say........emotion is mental and pain is physical so you need to get that right.
You go right on ahead and be the hero, in the meantime i'll keep all of my options open to try and keep my pain at a level that i can have somewhat of a life and take care of my 3 kids that live with me by myself.
It's always so refreshing to run into those kind of people that think they are better than everyone else. ;)
And second can we say........emotion is mental and pain is physical so you need to get that right.
You go right on ahead and be the hero, in the meantime i'll keep all of my options open to try and keep my pain at a level that i can have somewhat of a life and take care of my 3 kids that live with me by myself.
It's always so refreshing to run into those kind of people that think they are better than everyone else. ;)