JLKH
01-30-2004, 04:14 PM
I need some help/advice finding a good diet. I've just started back trying to loose weight after having my baby. I've been doing Slim Fast and now switched to Atkins shakes. I've lost about 9 pounds in the past 2 weeks. But I know I can't do the shakes only thing much longer.
I've been reading about the South Beach Diet, Carbohydrate Addicts Diet, Weight Watchers, all of them. But I'm wondering what people feel is the best. I also do not have a lot of time to cook with a baby now in the house and working full time so I don't want something that's going to mean hours of food prep. But I want something that works.
Any suggestions?
I've been reading about the South Beach Diet, Carbohydrate Addicts Diet, Weight Watchers, all of them. But I'm wondering what people feel is the best. I also do not have a lot of time to cook with a baby now in the house and working full time so I don't want something that's going to mean hours of food prep. But I want something that works.
Any suggestions?
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Lindarella
01-30-2004, 05:39 PM
I think the "best" diet is one you're going to be able to stick to 6 months, 2 years, 5 years down the road. Believe it or not, losing the weight is easier than trying to maintain the loss over a period of time. More than 90% of people gain the weight back within 5 years.
Hehe. That sounds discouraging. I'm not trying to be discouraging, I'm just trying to lend a little insight to pick a way of eating that you can maintain with a limited amount of thought and effort.
I've managed to keep my 35 pound loss off for about a year and half now. Still, though, here I am on the boards because if I stop thinking about it, I'll just go back to the "old me" who ate too much every day. I do calorie restriction. I studied the eating habits of people who have successfully lost weight and kept it off.
Brown Medical School (Colorado) has a research study known as the National Weight Control Registry. In the registry's database is information about the weight-control behaviors of more than 3,000 American adults who have lost an average of 60 pounds and have kept it off for an average of six years.
These successful losers report four common behaviors.
1)They eat a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet.
2)They monitor themselves by weighing in frequently.
3)They are very physically active.
4)They eat breakfast. (78% did compared to only 4% who didn't)
Six years after their weight loss, most of the registry's successful losers still report eating a low-calorie, low-fat diet, with about 24 percent of calories from fat. On average, registrants’ report consuming about 1400 kcal/day. Only 28 of the registrants used a low carbohydrate diet.
They also exercise for about an hour or more a day, expending about 2,800 calories per week on a variety of activities. This is equivalent to walking 28 miles a week, or four miles a day.
Good luck to you. :wave:
Hehe. That sounds discouraging. I'm not trying to be discouraging, I'm just trying to lend a little insight to pick a way of eating that you can maintain with a limited amount of thought and effort.
I've managed to keep my 35 pound loss off for about a year and half now. Still, though, here I am on the boards because if I stop thinking about it, I'll just go back to the "old me" who ate too much every day. I do calorie restriction. I studied the eating habits of people who have successfully lost weight and kept it off.
Brown Medical School (Colorado) has a research study known as the National Weight Control Registry. In the registry's database is information about the weight-control behaviors of more than 3,000 American adults who have lost an average of 60 pounds and have kept it off for an average of six years.
These successful losers report four common behaviors.
1)They eat a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet.
2)They monitor themselves by weighing in frequently.
3)They are very physically active.
4)They eat breakfast. (78% did compared to only 4% who didn't)
Six years after their weight loss, most of the registry's successful losers still report eating a low-calorie, low-fat diet, with about 24 percent of calories from fat. On average, registrants’ report consuming about 1400 kcal/day. Only 28 of the registrants used a low carbohydrate diet.
They also exercise for about an hour or more a day, expending about 2,800 calories per week on a variety of activities. This is equivalent to walking 28 miles a week, or four miles a day.
Good luck to you. :wave:
suzyshop1
04-06-2004, 02:42 AM
What exactly do you mean by shakes only,could you elaborate futher?
girlygirly
04-06-2004, 08:37 AM
You might want to look in Dr. Phil's weight loss solution. Low-fat high carbohydrate diets are not healthy. There are studies that contradict the study referenced. Look up Weston Price and see for yourself. There are serious health consequences from low fat high carb diets. First of all fat is needed especially saturated fats like butter, dairy, cheeses, beef,etc...(That is why Atkins can actually bring down cholesterol levels.) Changing eating habits not "dieting"or deprivation is what will work and weight will stay off. Exercising and drinking water is also essential. You don't have starve to eat healthy and lose weight. :angel:
miper
04-06-2004, 08:46 AM
The South Beach Way of Eating is wonderful. In my opinion, stay away from Atkins because the high fat is not good for you in any way, shape or form. Yes, you can lose weight on it, but you can't live the rest of your life eating that way. The best thing you can do is stay away from white products like sugar, white bread, white rice, etc. Use only whole grains, fruits and veggies. Keep your meats as low in fat as you can. We eat red meats (very lean) about once a week. Watch your carbs, but not overly so because you need carbs in your diet to be healthy....just not bad ones. Do a search for south beach and read up on it. I modified the way I eat and I exercise and it's working....slowly, but it's working. The slower you lose the better the chances of keeping it off.
I do not do South Beach the way it is written, but I do a modified version of it. It is a great way to spend the rest of your life. It's not hard and anyone can learn how to eat right. Fast weight loss is not the answer.
I do not do South Beach the way it is written, but I do a modified version of it. It is a great way to spend the rest of your life. It's not hard and anyone can learn how to eat right. Fast weight loss is not the answer.
miper
04-06-2004, 08:47 AM
Hi girlygirly, we posted at the same time.....LOL!
Dr. Phil and South Beach have alot of the same concepts don't you think?
Dr. Phil and South Beach have alot of the same concepts don't you think?
csoar2004
04-06-2004, 11:14 AM
I've been reading about the South Beach Diet, Carbohydrate Addicts Diet, Weight Watchers, all of them. But I'm wondering what people feel is the best. I also do not have a lot of time to cook with a baby now in the house and working full time so I don't want something that's going to mean hours of food prep. But I want something that works. Any suggestions? Having tried and failed at diets, I'm a fan of the Fat Flush Plan, myself. ;) :D Check out a description of the plan here: http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=162951
I also strongly agree with Linderella. Without making a lifestyle change, all diets fail over time. It is not logical to expect to return to a lifestyle that made you fat and not get fat again. So whatever eating plan you decide to try, view it as your new lifetime eating plan, not a temporary one. ;)
best wishes,
charli
203/146/146 on the Fat Flush Plan for life and perky to the max :jester:
I also strongly agree with Linderella. Without making a lifestyle change, all diets fail over time. It is not logical to expect to return to a lifestyle that made you fat and not get fat again. So whatever eating plan you decide to try, view it as your new lifetime eating plan, not a temporary one. ;)
best wishes,
charli
203/146/146 on the Fat Flush Plan for life and perky to the max :jester:
SnoBunE
04-06-2004, 01:07 PM
My sister in law just lost all of her baby weight, and then some, by going to Weight Watchers. She and I are both doing WW, and she's lost 30 pounds in the same amount of time that I've lost 3 pounds! She's nursing, and taking care of 2 kids, so she's more active than I am. Are you nursing? When you're on WW and nursing, you get to eat 10 more points a day than you normally would. So, she was eating LOTS more than me, and still losing all of that weight. I recommend going to the meetings, not every week if you don't want to, but just to keep motivated and weigh in. I know people that are doing it online too, but you don't get that interactive discussion, like we do at the meetings.
I also hear great things about the South Beach Diet. Good luck with your weight loss, and your new baby! :D
I also hear great things about the South Beach Diet. Good luck with your weight loss, and your new baby! :D
suzyshop1
04-06-2004, 06:13 PM
Atkins is called a wol thats because it is.Once you go on it theres no getting off it.Its not a diet you go off of after you lose the weight.Dont let anyone tell you its any worse than a lowfat diet.Do the research,lowfat diets have been around for yrs and yet the obesity rate has continued to rise.I belong to a list for Atkins ppl who have been eating this way for years.I suggest you get the book and read it.Im not a stupid person i research things before i decide to incorporate them into my life.There are more and more doctors who are comng over to this way of thinking.More studies are being done and soon it will be just as mainstream as lowfat diets.Its just a matter of having an open mind and willing to experiment.What works for some might not work for others and visa versa.Remember the lowfat industry stands to lose alot of revenue if the lowcarb way of life becomes mainstream.Do the research!!!I
I have inlaws who are on lowfat diets who are constantly knocking my wol ,and they never even picked up the book to read it.They just keep repeating hearsay.If your confused give both eating plans a go.Take care.
I have inlaws who are on lowfat diets who are constantly knocking my wol ,and they never even picked up the book to read it.They just keep repeating hearsay.If your confused give both eating plans a go.Take care.
Riverdog
04-06-2004, 11:30 PM
All of those diets work. I started on WW and lost 20 lbs. and went over to Atkins (my version of it) with healthy fats only and lost another 50. I am now not dieting at all, just eating a balanced (clean) diet and oops, I lost another 5 by mistake. Everone has read something different about all these diets like Atkins they say you can never go back or you'll gain. That's bull, the reason people gain is they start eating stupid again. If you put down the wonder bread and save the baked Potatoe for special occasions, don't drink alcohol often, and yes, Diet Coke WILL put the lbs. on your midsection guaranteed (I just read a big study about that, if I can find it again I will post it here)and stay away from sugar (atleast cheat on the weekends) along with eating the right amount of cals everyday, you will not gain it back. If you've lost 30 + lbs, chances are it took you a while and while you were losing it chances are you learned the values of the foods so now counting cals is a sinch. Guys and gals, it's not rocket science, it's rather simple. Eat more than you burn and you grow, eat less, you shrink.
miper
04-07-2004, 07:56 AM
No one can tell me though that sausage, bacon, whole fat cheeses, butter (lots of it according to Atkins), and all of that high fat stuff is good for you. I don't care if you don't stick a carb. in your mouth, this causes problems in the long run. Your body cannot handle all of that. It hurts your kidneys. It hurts your heart.
You need a good combination of proteins and good carbs. to live out the rest of your life healthy and with your weight down.
You need a good combination of proteins and good carbs. to live out the rest of your life healthy and with your weight down.
girlygirly
04-07-2004, 11:53 AM
No one can tell me though that sausage, bacon, whole fat cheeses, butter (lots of it according to Atkins), and all of that high fat stuff is good for you. I don't care if you don't stick a carb. in your mouth, this causes problems in the long run. Your body cannot handle all of that. It hurts your kidneys. It hurts your heart.
You need a good combination of proteins and good carbs. to live out the rest of your life healthy and with your weight down.
Hi Miper :wave:
Yes, most of the foods you mentioned are not bad for you. The bacon and sausages are questionable due to the processing and nitrates. But saturated fats are needed by the body. There are various studies that demonstrate that saturated fats are in fact healthy and are essential. Weston Price was a dentist and a doctor who went around the world to remote areas that did not eat a western diet and studied diets; he found that the people had perfect teeth and no heart disease, cancers, and various other illnesses. What these diets had in common was huge amounts of saturated fats. Read up on this, it is very interesting. If you read up on the Pritkins diet you would find that this low fat diet had failed because people were having heart attacks and getting cancers. They only ate margarines and other unsaturated fats. Hydrogenated fats and trans fats are what clog the arteries, those are fats that are very harmful. I know all of this sounds far fetched, but it is because we have been conditioned by many outside interests that saturated fats cause heart attacks and clog ateries, many studies are funded by special interest groups who skew the results in their favor. I was of the same mindset a year ago, but I since changed by mind. Atkins was ahead of his time, this will be proved in time. BTW I am not on the Atkins diet so I am not biased. :angel:
You need a good combination of proteins and good carbs. to live out the rest of your life healthy and with your weight down.
Hi Miper :wave:
Yes, most of the foods you mentioned are not bad for you. The bacon and sausages are questionable due to the processing and nitrates. But saturated fats are needed by the body. There are various studies that demonstrate that saturated fats are in fact healthy and are essential. Weston Price was a dentist and a doctor who went around the world to remote areas that did not eat a western diet and studied diets; he found that the people had perfect teeth and no heart disease, cancers, and various other illnesses. What these diets had in common was huge amounts of saturated fats. Read up on this, it is very interesting. If you read up on the Pritkins diet you would find that this low fat diet had failed because people were having heart attacks and getting cancers. They only ate margarines and other unsaturated fats. Hydrogenated fats and trans fats are what clog the arteries, those are fats that are very harmful. I know all of this sounds far fetched, but it is because we have been conditioned by many outside interests that saturated fats cause heart attacks and clog ateries, many studies are funded by special interest groups who skew the results in their favor. I was of the same mindset a year ago, but I since changed by mind. Atkins was ahead of his time, this will be proved in time. BTW I am not on the Atkins diet so I am not biased. :angel:
suzyshop1
04-07-2004, 10:05 PM
Bravo well said girlygirl.Miper i use to think the way you do till i read the book Protein Power Plan by the Eades doctors,husband and wife team.When i read there book and there evidence for restricted carbohydrate comsumption i knew i was on the right track.I wondered all those times i tried to lose weight on a lowfat diet why i didnt and i finally found the answer..I follow atkins but the protein power plan book goes into much more detail about why low carbing is a good way to drop the weight.Also the book is filled with scientific facts.Things i couldnt refute.Take care.
suzyshop1
04-07-2004, 10:11 PM
The biggest advantage to me about the Atkins plan is it controls my cravings for constantly eating.Im am in control when i eat somethng with fat in it.But just let me eat something carby and look out here comes a full blown binge.Consuming low carb foods keeps my eating under control.
miper
04-08-2004, 08:18 AM
Nowhere in any of my posts did I ever say low carbing was not the way to go. I'm not trying to start an argument. The only thing I am saying is all of those foods that are high in fat are not good for you. Most people feel if they have to cut out carbs. then they'd better have something else to make up for it right? So they eat all of this food (high in saturated fats), all of the time, and it's not good for you.
The best way to eat, in my opinion is to cut out all refined foods, slow way down on the fruits, but still enjoy sometimes, whole grains, leaner meats, skim milk, but not to a point where you feel deprived. Enjoy the butter once in a while. Enjoy the whole fat cheese once in a while. That's all I'm saying. I know low carb is where it's at. I'm borderline diabetic and hypothyroid, so ALL of my Doctors have prescribed the South Beach way of eating. I just think that South Beach is somewhat restrictive, so I enjoy those "Atkins" fats every once in a while. My Triglycerides have gone from around 80 to now 35. That's truth in itself that what I am doing is right for me.
The best way to eat, in my opinion is to cut out all refined foods, slow way down on the fruits, but still enjoy sometimes, whole grains, leaner meats, skim milk, but not to a point where you feel deprived. Enjoy the butter once in a while. Enjoy the whole fat cheese once in a while. That's all I'm saying. I know low carb is where it's at. I'm borderline diabetic and hypothyroid, so ALL of my Doctors have prescribed the South Beach way of eating. I just think that South Beach is somewhat restrictive, so I enjoy those "Atkins" fats every once in a while. My Triglycerides have gone from around 80 to now 35. That's truth in itself that what I am doing is right for me.
zip2play
04-08-2004, 09:49 AM
JLKH,
My preferred method is to determine a calorie level at which you maintain your current weight. Then devise a scheme to give you the desired loss: 1 lb fat = 3500 calorie deficit. So, for a pound a week plan start with 500 fewer calories a day.
Stucture these calories in a way that is healthy and doable for you long term. For safety sake something like a 30% fat limit (by calories) with less than 1/3 of this amount saturated (no-trans fats) seems to make sense.
The ZONE diet if you like regimentation is a low calorie diet balanced to 40-30-30% (with the 40 as low-sugar carbs...as highly glycemic as you can.) The ZONE demands these proportions with each meal but this is diet book gimmickry. The overall balance however is a good one but the ZONE books put you on a starvation diet and really must be modified for any long term use.
I count any alcohol as sugar carbs...high glycemic.
Calorie counting works very well but ceases working when you stop counting. :nono: ;)
My preferred method is to determine a calorie level at which you maintain your current weight. Then devise a scheme to give you the desired loss: 1 lb fat = 3500 calorie deficit. So, for a pound a week plan start with 500 fewer calories a day.
Stucture these calories in a way that is healthy and doable for you long term. For safety sake something like a 30% fat limit (by calories) with less than 1/3 of this amount saturated (no-trans fats) seems to make sense.
The ZONE diet if you like regimentation is a low calorie diet balanced to 40-30-30% (with the 40 as low-sugar carbs...as highly glycemic as you can.) The ZONE demands these proportions with each meal but this is diet book gimmickry. The overall balance however is a good one but the ZONE books put you on a starvation diet and really must be modified for any long term use.
I count any alcohol as sugar carbs...high glycemic.
Calorie counting works very well but ceases working when you stop counting. :nono: ;)
girlygirly
04-08-2004, 10:25 AM
Nowhere in any of my posts did I ever say low carbing was not the way to go. I'm not trying to start an argument. The only thing I am saying is all of those foods that are high in fat are not good for you. Most people feel if they have to cut out carbs. then they'd better have something else to make up for it right? So they eat all of this food (high in saturated fats), all of the time, and it's not good for you.
The best way to eat, in my opinion is to cut out all refined foods, slow way down on the fruits, but still enjoy sometimes, whole grains, leaner meats, skim milk, but not to a point where you feel deprived. Enjoy the butter once in a while. Enjoy the whole fat cheese once in a while. That's all I'm saying. I know low carb is where it's at. I'm borderline diabetic and hypothyroid, so ALL of my Doctors have prescribed the South Beach way of eating. I just think that South Beach is somewhat restrictive, so I enjoy those "Atkins" fats every once in a while. My Triglycerides have gone from around 80 to now 35. That's truth in itself that what I am doing is right for me.
Unfortunately many doctors are NOT versed in nutrition so by them recommending the South Beach Diet (that is harmful due to the lack of saturated fats) is not impressive at all.
Triglycerides are indicative of carbohydrate consumption, NOT fat consumption.
The best way to eat, in my opinion is to cut out all refined foods, slow way down on the fruits, but still enjoy sometimes, whole grains, leaner meats, skim milk, but not to a point where you feel deprived. Enjoy the butter once in a while. Enjoy the whole fat cheese once in a while. That's all I'm saying. I know low carb is where it's at. I'm borderline diabetic and hypothyroid, so ALL of my Doctors have prescribed the South Beach way of eating. I just think that South Beach is somewhat restrictive, so I enjoy those "Atkins" fats every once in a while. My Triglycerides have gone from around 80 to now 35. That's truth in itself that what I am doing is right for me.
Unfortunately many doctors are NOT versed in nutrition so by them recommending the South Beach Diet (that is harmful due to the lack of saturated fats) is not impressive at all.
Triglycerides are indicative of carbohydrate consumption, NOT fat consumption.
miper
04-08-2004, 10:57 AM
Ok....just goes to show I must be doing something right. Why do you continue to think I'm arguing with you on this?
I BELIEVE SATURATED FATS ARE BAD FOR YOU and should only be eaten in moderation. If you want to believe something that Dr. Mercola (quack) believes and a few other So called Doctors out there that think it's okay to eat as much saturated fats as you want, then more power to you. I'm not telling anyone what to do or what not to do.........only what I believe. I lost 65 lbs. eating this way, kept my blood pressure down, cholesterol at 160, so it must do something right. Only since I've developed this awful thing called hypothyroidism have I started having trouble.
There are years upon years of study done on this. You can't read one or two small studies done by some research team that no one has heard of and believe everything they say. Well, I guess you can if you want to. I don't care. But to say that most Doctors are not well versed in nutrition................
One of my Doctors just happens to be a nutritionist, so I guess she doesn't have a clue what she's talking about huh?
I BELIEVE SATURATED FATS ARE BAD FOR YOU and should only be eaten in moderation. If you want to believe something that Dr. Mercola (quack) believes and a few other So called Doctors out there that think it's okay to eat as much saturated fats as you want, then more power to you. I'm not telling anyone what to do or what not to do.........only what I believe. I lost 65 lbs. eating this way, kept my blood pressure down, cholesterol at 160, so it must do something right. Only since I've developed this awful thing called hypothyroidism have I started having trouble.
There are years upon years of study done on this. You can't read one or two small studies done by some research team that no one has heard of and believe everything they say. Well, I guess you can if you want to. I don't care. But to say that most Doctors are not well versed in nutrition................
One of my Doctors just happens to be a nutritionist, so I guess she doesn't have a clue what she's talking about huh?
auntjudyg
04-08-2004, 10:59 AM
. . . The only thing I am saying is all of those foods that are high in fat are not good for you.
IMHO, this really has not been proven. All the studies that get pointed to are flawed in one way or another. Granted, I am in the low-carb camp, but it is not only low-carbers who hold this opinion.
For one, it is only recently that transfats have been identified separately from all saturated fats as "more" dangerous. (I agree; they are absolutely noxious.) So all previous studies lumped transfats with all saturated fats. No one, to my knowledge, has gone back to test the impact of non-transfat saturated fats by themselves.
Also, the saturated fats being tested are suspect, again, IMHO. My guess is that they are using factory-farm, commercially raised meats, homogenized dairy products, etc. Let me see a study that tests pastured, free-range, non-homogenized and non-pasteurized animals products and I might take notice.
Anecdotal evidence of fat-eating trends compared with health trends is very intriguing also.
Most people feel if they have to cut out carbs. then they'd better have something else to make up for it right?
It's not so much that "most people feel" that way; that is exactly the recommendation of many low carb plans. I know one person on another site who is absolutely adamant that if you cut carbs you MUST increase fat . . . according to him, the most deadly plan possible is low-carb/low-fat.
My Triglycerides have gone from around 80 to now 35. That's truth in itself that what I am doing is right for me.
Great shift! But from what I have read (not much, admittedly), triglycerides are effected most by carbohydrates, particularly refined carbs. So I'm not sure this in itself says much about fat choices.
IMHO, this really has not been proven. All the studies that get pointed to are flawed in one way or another. Granted, I am in the low-carb camp, but it is not only low-carbers who hold this opinion.
For one, it is only recently that transfats have been identified separately from all saturated fats as "more" dangerous. (I agree; they are absolutely noxious.) So all previous studies lumped transfats with all saturated fats. No one, to my knowledge, has gone back to test the impact of non-transfat saturated fats by themselves.
Also, the saturated fats being tested are suspect, again, IMHO. My guess is that they are using factory-farm, commercially raised meats, homogenized dairy products, etc. Let me see a study that tests pastured, free-range, non-homogenized and non-pasteurized animals products and I might take notice.
Anecdotal evidence of fat-eating trends compared with health trends is very intriguing also.
Most people feel if they have to cut out carbs. then they'd better have something else to make up for it right?
It's not so much that "most people feel" that way; that is exactly the recommendation of many low carb plans. I know one person on another site who is absolutely adamant that if you cut carbs you MUST increase fat . . . according to him, the most deadly plan possible is low-carb/low-fat.
My Triglycerides have gone from around 80 to now 35. That's truth in itself that what I am doing is right for me.
Great shift! But from what I have read (not much, admittedly), triglycerides are effected most by carbohydrates, particularly refined carbs. So I'm not sure this in itself says much about fat choices.
girlygirly
04-08-2004, 11:19 AM
Also, the saturated fats being tested are suspect, again, IMHO. My guess is that they are using factory-farm, commercially raised meats, homogenized dairy products, etc. Let me see a study that tests pastured, free-range, non-homogenized and non-pasteurized animals products and I might take notice.
That's one study I'd LOVE to see!!! :angel:
That's one study I'd LOVE to see!!! :angel:
auntjudyg
04-08-2004, 02:53 PM
But to say that most Doctors are not well versed in nutrition................
One of my Doctors just happens to be a nutritionist, so I guess she doesn't have a clue what she's talking about huh?
miper, Please don't get worked up. Let's all just take this in the spirit of a discussion, not an argument. I think it's informative to get different opinions; and it's an interesting debate that, in my opinion, is nowhere near settled.
But on the matter of doctors not being well versed in nutrition . . . I don't think even many doctors would claim to be well versed. Many did not have even ONE class in nutrition in medication school; and many more only had ONE. And with everything else they need to keep up with, I serious doubt many have done more than read digests of studies, with all their faults and inaccuracies. One doctor being an exception (and, yes, I know your's is not the only one but there are not many!) is akin to making a blanket statement based on one study.
One of my Doctors just happens to be a nutritionist, so I guess she doesn't have a clue what she's talking about huh?
miper, Please don't get worked up. Let's all just take this in the spirit of a discussion, not an argument. I think it's informative to get different opinions; and it's an interesting debate that, in my opinion, is nowhere near settled.
But on the matter of doctors not being well versed in nutrition . . . I don't think even many doctors would claim to be well versed. Many did not have even ONE class in nutrition in medication school; and many more only had ONE. And with everything else they need to keep up with, I serious doubt many have done more than read digests of studies, with all their faults and inaccuracies. One doctor being an exception (and, yes, I know your's is not the only one but there are not many!) is akin to making a blanket statement based on one study.