fallen02
02-03-2004, 10:24 AM
I have read a couple of things on the internet about Liver Flushes really helping out people with chemical sensitivities.
Anyone done one?
How?
Did it help?
Anyone done one?
How?
Did it help?
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ny01
02-03-2004, 03:13 PM
I'm curious too. Please let me know if you hear anything!!!!
bjlauder
02-04-2004, 09:11 AM
I have read a couple of things on the internet about Liver Flushes really helping out people with chemical sensitivities.
Anyone done one?
How?
Did it help?
I've not done it, but I've done some research. You can go to [removed] It sounds like a great idea until you read about the people who've had problems. For me, the risk seems too high for something that I cannot be (at least somewhat) sure will work. However, many sing it's praises and do it often. Good luck!
Anyone done one?
How?
Did it help?
I've not done it, but I've done some research. You can go to [removed] It sounds like a great idea until you read about the people who've had problems. For me, the risk seems too high for something that I cannot be (at least somewhat) sure will work. However, many sing it's praises and do it often. Good luck!
fallen02
02-05-2004, 03:41 PM
NY01
read this, I think that I am going to perform a liver flush. Check out this questionaire.
If you are experiencing over 15 of the symptoms below, then you should perform a Liver Flush!
HEALTH QUESTIONNAIRE
SYMPTOMS CAUSED BY A CONGESTED & TOXIC LIVER
1. HAS YOUR GALLBLADDER BEEN SURGICALLY REMOVED Yes______ No ________
2. UPPER and/or LOWER BACK PAIN (especially after riding in a car or sitting for prolonged periods of time).
3. AN UNEXPLAINED HOT FEELING (night sweats - especially between 1:00 and 3:00 AM)
4. HIGH CHOLESTEROL (over 250)
5. CHRONIC FATIGUE
6. UNEXPLAINED STRESS (bracing/tension)
7. TMJ
8. A BLOATED FEELING
9. HEARTBURN
10. ACID REFLUX
11. BELCHING
12. DROWSINESS AFTER EATING
13. INTOLERANCE TO FATTY FOODS (they cause heartburn)
14. SLEEP DISORDERS
15. EARLY SIGNS OF DIABETES (hypoglycemia)
16. MUSCLE ACHES
17. MORNING STIFFNESS -----------yes
18. DEGENERATIVE DISEASES (Arthritis, Fibromyalgia, Lupus, MS. Etc.)
19. MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity) allergic reactions to odors like perfume, smoke and household cleansers, etc.
-----------yes(100% percent)
20. COATED TONGUE (white or yellowish looking) -----------yes
21. FEVER BLISTERS and/or COLD SORES
22. BLURRED VISION
23. BRIGHT SUNLIGHT HURTS YOUR EYES
24. POOR MEMORY
25. TROUBLES CONCENTRATING -----------yes
26. SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION (lack of desire or extremely fatigued afterwards)
27. HORMONEAL INBALANCE
28. UNEXPLAINED WEIGHT GAIN
29. POTUBERANT ABDOMEN (pot belly)
30. FATTY LUMPS and/or TUMOURS UNDER YOUR SKIN
31. THYROID PROBLEMS
32. FREQUENT INFECTIONS
33. FREQUENT BLADDER INFECTIONS
34. FAINTING -----------yes
35. DIZZINESS-----------yes
36. DARK URINE
37. PALE (WHITE) STOOL
38. EDEMA (swelling of the hands, legs, feet and/or back)
39. ASCITES (a buildup of fluid in your abdomen)
40. YOU BRUISE EASILY
41. YOU BLEED EASILY
42. EMACIATED APPEARANCE (unusually thin, regardless of how much you eat)
43. BROWNISH SPOTS and/or BLEMISHES ON SKIN (Liver Spots)
44. RED LOOKING COLOR TO HANDS AND/OR FEET -----------yes
45. RED PIN-SIZE DOTS ON YOUR STOMACH AREA
46. HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE
47. WHITES OF EYES ARE YELLOW LOOKING -----------yes
48. GREEN, YELLOW OR ORANGE TINT TO YOUR SKIN -----------yes
49. IS YOUR SKIN COLOR DARKER ON YOUR ARMS AND LEGS, THAN IT IS ON THE REST OF YOUR BODY (I’m not talking about a sun tan)
50. HYPERSENSITIVE TO NOISE
51. GALLSTONES
52. NAUSEA and/or VOMITING ATTACKS
53. COLD EXTREMITIES (hands and feet)
54. UNEXPLAINED COLD CHILLS (that causes your whole body to shake)
55. NUMBNESS OR TINLING OF THE EXTREMITIES (hands and feet)
56. ARM and/or CHEST PAIN THAT RESEMBLES A HEART ATTACK
57. HEART PALPITATIONS
58. WEAK TENDONS, LIGAMENTS & MUSCLES
59. MUSCLE SPASMS OR CRAMPS
60. OVERBURDENED IMMUNE SYSTEM -----------yes
61. SORE, PAINFUL OR TICKLISH (toxic) LYMPH’s (Push hard under your arms and under your collarbone area to check for Toxic Lymph problems).
-----------yes, I have developed a rash under my arm pit
62. HEADACHES AND/OR MIGRAINES -----------yes
63. CYSTS IN VARIOUS AREAS OF YOUR BODY
64. A CRUSTY BUILD-UP IN THE CORNER OF YOUR EYES FIRST THING IN THE MORNING.
65. CLENCHING AND GRINDING YOUR TEETH.
WOMEN ONLY
66. UTERINE FIBROIDS
67. OVARIAN CYSTS
68. ENDOMETRIOSIS
69. PAINFUL MENSTUATION
MEN ONLY
70. PROSTATE PROBLEMS
EMOTIONAL SYMPTOMS
71. DEPRESSION -----------yes
72. UNPREDICTABLE FEELINGS OF RAGE, ANGAR & FRUSTRATED -----------yes
73. YOU HAVE A DEFENSIVE ATTITUDE -----------yes
74. HAPPY PEOPLE IRRITATE YOU
75. YOU’RE CONSTANTLY PLANNING
76. YOUR MOODS ARE CONSTENTLY CHANGING -----------yes
77. YOU SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE YELLING OR SCREAMING -----------yes
78. YOU’RE NEVER HAPPY OR SATIFIED -----------yes
79. YOU’RE NEVER IN THE PRESENT MOMENT (a distant feeling)
80. YOU EXHIBIT THE PERSONALITY OF A PERFECTIONIST
81. YOU FEEL UNCOMFOTABLE IN THE PRESENCES OF STRANGERS
82. NEGLECT OF APPEARANCE -----------yes
ADVANCED SYMPTOMS
83. ASTHMA
84. KIDNEY & BLADDER PROBLEMS
85. DIABETES TYPE-2
86. HEART DISEASE
87. ALZHEIMER’S
88. PARKINSON’S
89. CANCER
90. AIDS
91. PREMATURE AGING
read this, I think that I am going to perform a liver flush. Check out this questionaire.
If you are experiencing over 15 of the symptoms below, then you should perform a Liver Flush!
HEALTH QUESTIONNAIRE
SYMPTOMS CAUSED BY A CONGESTED & TOXIC LIVER
1. HAS YOUR GALLBLADDER BEEN SURGICALLY REMOVED Yes______ No ________
2. UPPER and/or LOWER BACK PAIN (especially after riding in a car or sitting for prolonged periods of time).
3. AN UNEXPLAINED HOT FEELING (night sweats - especially between 1:00 and 3:00 AM)
4. HIGH CHOLESTEROL (over 250)
5. CHRONIC FATIGUE
6. UNEXPLAINED STRESS (bracing/tension)
7. TMJ
8. A BLOATED FEELING
9. HEARTBURN
10. ACID REFLUX
11. BELCHING
12. DROWSINESS AFTER EATING
13. INTOLERANCE TO FATTY FOODS (they cause heartburn)
14. SLEEP DISORDERS
15. EARLY SIGNS OF DIABETES (hypoglycemia)
16. MUSCLE ACHES
17. MORNING STIFFNESS -----------yes
18. DEGENERATIVE DISEASES (Arthritis, Fibromyalgia, Lupus, MS. Etc.)
19. MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity) allergic reactions to odors like perfume, smoke and household cleansers, etc.
-----------yes(100% percent)
20. COATED TONGUE (white or yellowish looking) -----------yes
21. FEVER BLISTERS and/or COLD SORES
22. BLURRED VISION
23. BRIGHT SUNLIGHT HURTS YOUR EYES
24. POOR MEMORY
25. TROUBLES CONCENTRATING -----------yes
26. SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION (lack of desire or extremely fatigued afterwards)
27. HORMONEAL INBALANCE
28. UNEXPLAINED WEIGHT GAIN
29. POTUBERANT ABDOMEN (pot belly)
30. FATTY LUMPS and/or TUMOURS UNDER YOUR SKIN
31. THYROID PROBLEMS
32. FREQUENT INFECTIONS
33. FREQUENT BLADDER INFECTIONS
34. FAINTING -----------yes
35. DIZZINESS-----------yes
36. DARK URINE
37. PALE (WHITE) STOOL
38. EDEMA (swelling of the hands, legs, feet and/or back)
39. ASCITES (a buildup of fluid in your abdomen)
40. YOU BRUISE EASILY
41. YOU BLEED EASILY
42. EMACIATED APPEARANCE (unusually thin, regardless of how much you eat)
43. BROWNISH SPOTS and/or BLEMISHES ON SKIN (Liver Spots)
44. RED LOOKING COLOR TO HANDS AND/OR FEET -----------yes
45. RED PIN-SIZE DOTS ON YOUR STOMACH AREA
46. HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE
47. WHITES OF EYES ARE YELLOW LOOKING -----------yes
48. GREEN, YELLOW OR ORANGE TINT TO YOUR SKIN -----------yes
49. IS YOUR SKIN COLOR DARKER ON YOUR ARMS AND LEGS, THAN IT IS ON THE REST OF YOUR BODY (I’m not talking about a sun tan)
50. HYPERSENSITIVE TO NOISE
51. GALLSTONES
52. NAUSEA and/or VOMITING ATTACKS
53. COLD EXTREMITIES (hands and feet)
54. UNEXPLAINED COLD CHILLS (that causes your whole body to shake)
55. NUMBNESS OR TINLING OF THE EXTREMITIES (hands and feet)
56. ARM and/or CHEST PAIN THAT RESEMBLES A HEART ATTACK
57. HEART PALPITATIONS
58. WEAK TENDONS, LIGAMENTS & MUSCLES
59. MUSCLE SPASMS OR CRAMPS
60. OVERBURDENED IMMUNE SYSTEM -----------yes
61. SORE, PAINFUL OR TICKLISH (toxic) LYMPH’s (Push hard under your arms and under your collarbone area to check for Toxic Lymph problems).
-----------yes, I have developed a rash under my arm pit
62. HEADACHES AND/OR MIGRAINES -----------yes
63. CYSTS IN VARIOUS AREAS OF YOUR BODY
64. A CRUSTY BUILD-UP IN THE CORNER OF YOUR EYES FIRST THING IN THE MORNING.
65. CLENCHING AND GRINDING YOUR TEETH.
WOMEN ONLY
66. UTERINE FIBROIDS
67. OVARIAN CYSTS
68. ENDOMETRIOSIS
69. PAINFUL MENSTUATION
MEN ONLY
70. PROSTATE PROBLEMS
EMOTIONAL SYMPTOMS
71. DEPRESSION -----------yes
72. UNPREDICTABLE FEELINGS OF RAGE, ANGAR & FRUSTRATED -----------yes
73. YOU HAVE A DEFENSIVE ATTITUDE -----------yes
74. HAPPY PEOPLE IRRITATE YOU
75. YOU’RE CONSTANTLY PLANNING
76. YOUR MOODS ARE CONSTENTLY CHANGING -----------yes
77. YOU SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE YELLING OR SCREAMING -----------yes
78. YOU’RE NEVER HAPPY OR SATIFIED -----------yes
79. YOU’RE NEVER IN THE PRESENT MOMENT (a distant feeling)
80. YOU EXHIBIT THE PERSONALITY OF A PERFECTIONIST
81. YOU FEEL UNCOMFOTABLE IN THE PRESENCES OF STRANGERS
82. NEGLECT OF APPEARANCE -----------yes
ADVANCED SYMPTOMS
83. ASTHMA
84. KIDNEY & BLADDER PROBLEMS
85. DIABETES TYPE-2
86. HEART DISEASE
87. ALZHEIMER’S
88. PARKINSON’S
89. CANCER
90. AIDS
91. PREMATURE AGING
ny01
02-05-2004, 03:58 PM
Thanks Akita. When are you going to do yours?? I filled out the questionairre below too.
If you are experiencing over 15 of the symptoms below, then you should perform a Liver Flush!
HEALTH QUESTIONNAIRE
SYMPTOMS CAUSED BY A CONGESTED & TOXIC LIVER
1. HAS YOUR GALLBLADDER BEEN SURGICALLY REMOVED Yes______ No _______X_
2. UPPER and/or LOWER BACK PAIN (especially after riding in a car or sitting for prolonged periods of time).
3. AN UNEXPLAINED HOT FEELING (night sweats - especially between 1:00 and 3:00 AM)
4. HIGH CHOLESTEROL (over 250)
5. CHRONIC FATIGUE -X
6. UNEXPLAINED STRESS (bracing/tension)
7. TMJ
8. A BLOATED FEELING -X
9. HEARTBURN -X
10. ACID REFLUX
11. BELCHING
12. DROWSINESS AFTER EATING
13. INTOLERANCE TO FATTY FOODS (they cause heartburn)
14. SLEEP DISORDERS - X
15. EARLY SIGNS OF DIABETES (hypoglycemia)
16. MUSCLE ACHES - X
17. MORNING STIFFNESS
18. DEGENERATIVE DISEASES (Arthritis, Fibromyalgia, Lupus, MS. Etc.)
19. MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity) allergic reactions to odors like perfume, smoke and household cleansers, etc.
-----------yes(100% percent) FOR SURE
20. COATED TONGUE (white or yellowish looking) -----------yes - Me too
21. FEVER BLISTERS and/or COLD SORES
22. BLURRED VISION ----when MCS is bad
23. BRIGHT SUNLIGHT HURTS YOUR EYES
24. POOR MEMORY ---when MCS is bad
25. TROUBLES CONCENTRATING -----------yes
26. SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION (lack of desire or extremely fatigued afterwards)
27. HORMONEAL INBALANCE
28. UNEXPLAINED WEIGHT GAIN
29. POTUBERANT ABDOMEN (pot belly)
30. FATTY LUMPS and/or TUMOURS UNDER YOUR SKIN
31. THYROID PROBLEMS
32. FREQUENT INFECTIONS
33. FREQUENT BLADDER INFECTIONS
34. FAINTING
35. DIZZINESS-----------yes
36. DARK URINE
37. PALE (WHITE) STOOL
38. EDEMA (swelling of the hands, legs, feet and/or back)
39. ASCITES (a buildup of fluid in your abdomen)
40. YOU BRUISE EASILY
41. YOU BLEED EASILY
42. EMACIATED APPEARANCE (unusually thin, regardless of how much you eat) - YEs
43. BROWNISH SPOTS and/or BLEMISHES ON SKIN (Liver Spots)
44. RED LOOKING COLOR TO HANDS AND/OR FEET
45. RED PIN-SIZE DOTS ON YOUR STOMACH AREA
46. HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE
47. WHITES OF EYES ARE YELLOW LOOKING
48. GREEN, YELLOW OR ORANGE TINT TO YOUR SKIN
49. IS YOUR SKIN COLOR DARKER ON YOUR ARMS AND LEGS, THAN IT IS ON THE REST OF YOUR BODY (I’m not talking about a sun tan)
50. HYPERSENSITIVE TO NOISE
51. GALLSTONES
52. NAUSEA and/or VOMITING ATTACKS
53. COLD EXTREMITIES (hands and feet) ----Sometimes
54. UNEXPLAINED COLD CHILLS (that causes your whole body to shake)
55. NUMBNESS OR TINLING OF THE EXTREMITIES (hands and feet)
56. ARM and/or CHEST PAIN THAT RESEMBLES A HEART ATTACK
57. HEART PALPITATIONS
58. WEAK TENDONS, LIGAMENTS & MUSCLES
59. MUSCLE SPASMS OR CRAMPS
60. OVERBURDENED IMMUNE SYSTEM -----------yes
61. SORE, PAINFUL OR TICKLISH (toxic) LYMPH’s (Push hard under your arms and under your collarbone area to check for Toxic Lymph problems).
62. HEADACHES AND/OR MIGRAINES -----------yes
63. CYSTS IN VARIOUS AREAS OF YOUR BODY
64. A CRUSTY BUILD-UP IN THE CORNER OF YOUR EYES FIRST THING IN THE MORNING.
65. CLENCHING AND GRINDING YOUR TEETH.
WOMEN ONLY
66. UTERINE FIBROIDS
67. OVARIAN CYSTS
68. ENDOMETRIOSIS
69. PAINFUL MENSTUATION
MEN ONLY
70. PROSTATE PROBLEMS
EMOTIONAL SYMPTOMS
71. DEPRESSION -----------yes because of MCS, not before
72. UNPREDICTABLE FEELINGS OF RAGE, ANGAR & FRUSTRATED -----------yes because of MCS
73. YOU HAVE A DEFENSIVE ATTITUDE -----------yes
74. HAPPY PEOPLE IRRITATE YOU
75. YOU’RE CONSTANTLY PLANNING
76. YOUR MOODS ARE CONSTENTLY CHANGING -----------yes
77. YOU SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE YELLING OR SCREAMING
78. YOU’RE NEVER HAPPY OR SATIFIED -----------yes
79. YOU’RE NEVER IN THE PRESENT MOMENT (a distant feeling)
80. YOU EXHIBIT THE PERSONALITY OF A PERFECTIONIST
81. YOU FEEL UNCOMFOTABLE IN THE PRESENCES OF STRANGERS
82. NEGLECT OF APPEARANCE
ADVANCED SYMPTOMS
83. ASTHMA
84. KIDNEY & BLADDER PROBLEMS
85. DIABETES TYPE-2
86. HEART DISEASE
87. ALZHEIMER’S
88. PARKINSON’S
89. CANCER
90. AIDS
91. PREMATURE AGING[/QUOTE]
If you are experiencing over 15 of the symptoms below, then you should perform a Liver Flush!
HEALTH QUESTIONNAIRE
SYMPTOMS CAUSED BY A CONGESTED & TOXIC LIVER
1. HAS YOUR GALLBLADDER BEEN SURGICALLY REMOVED Yes______ No _______X_
2. UPPER and/or LOWER BACK PAIN (especially after riding in a car or sitting for prolonged periods of time).
3. AN UNEXPLAINED HOT FEELING (night sweats - especially between 1:00 and 3:00 AM)
4. HIGH CHOLESTEROL (over 250)
5. CHRONIC FATIGUE -X
6. UNEXPLAINED STRESS (bracing/tension)
7. TMJ
8. A BLOATED FEELING -X
9. HEARTBURN -X
10. ACID REFLUX
11. BELCHING
12. DROWSINESS AFTER EATING
13. INTOLERANCE TO FATTY FOODS (they cause heartburn)
14. SLEEP DISORDERS - X
15. EARLY SIGNS OF DIABETES (hypoglycemia)
16. MUSCLE ACHES - X
17. MORNING STIFFNESS
18. DEGENERATIVE DISEASES (Arthritis, Fibromyalgia, Lupus, MS. Etc.)
19. MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity) allergic reactions to odors like perfume, smoke and household cleansers, etc.
-----------yes(100% percent) FOR SURE
20. COATED TONGUE (white or yellowish looking) -----------yes - Me too
21. FEVER BLISTERS and/or COLD SORES
22. BLURRED VISION ----when MCS is bad
23. BRIGHT SUNLIGHT HURTS YOUR EYES
24. POOR MEMORY ---when MCS is bad
25. TROUBLES CONCENTRATING -----------yes
26. SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION (lack of desire or extremely fatigued afterwards)
27. HORMONEAL INBALANCE
28. UNEXPLAINED WEIGHT GAIN
29. POTUBERANT ABDOMEN (pot belly)
30. FATTY LUMPS and/or TUMOURS UNDER YOUR SKIN
31. THYROID PROBLEMS
32. FREQUENT INFECTIONS
33. FREQUENT BLADDER INFECTIONS
34. FAINTING
35. DIZZINESS-----------yes
36. DARK URINE
37. PALE (WHITE) STOOL
38. EDEMA (swelling of the hands, legs, feet and/or back)
39. ASCITES (a buildup of fluid in your abdomen)
40. YOU BRUISE EASILY
41. YOU BLEED EASILY
42. EMACIATED APPEARANCE (unusually thin, regardless of how much you eat) - YEs
43. BROWNISH SPOTS and/or BLEMISHES ON SKIN (Liver Spots)
44. RED LOOKING COLOR TO HANDS AND/OR FEET
45. RED PIN-SIZE DOTS ON YOUR STOMACH AREA
46. HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE
47. WHITES OF EYES ARE YELLOW LOOKING
48. GREEN, YELLOW OR ORANGE TINT TO YOUR SKIN
49. IS YOUR SKIN COLOR DARKER ON YOUR ARMS AND LEGS, THAN IT IS ON THE REST OF YOUR BODY (I’m not talking about a sun tan)
50. HYPERSENSITIVE TO NOISE
51. GALLSTONES
52. NAUSEA and/or VOMITING ATTACKS
53. COLD EXTREMITIES (hands and feet) ----Sometimes
54. UNEXPLAINED COLD CHILLS (that causes your whole body to shake)
55. NUMBNESS OR TINLING OF THE EXTREMITIES (hands and feet)
56. ARM and/or CHEST PAIN THAT RESEMBLES A HEART ATTACK
57. HEART PALPITATIONS
58. WEAK TENDONS, LIGAMENTS & MUSCLES
59. MUSCLE SPASMS OR CRAMPS
60. OVERBURDENED IMMUNE SYSTEM -----------yes
61. SORE, PAINFUL OR TICKLISH (toxic) LYMPH’s (Push hard under your arms and under your collarbone area to check for Toxic Lymph problems).
62. HEADACHES AND/OR MIGRAINES -----------yes
63. CYSTS IN VARIOUS AREAS OF YOUR BODY
64. A CRUSTY BUILD-UP IN THE CORNER OF YOUR EYES FIRST THING IN THE MORNING.
65. CLENCHING AND GRINDING YOUR TEETH.
WOMEN ONLY
66. UTERINE FIBROIDS
67. OVARIAN CYSTS
68. ENDOMETRIOSIS
69. PAINFUL MENSTUATION
MEN ONLY
70. PROSTATE PROBLEMS
EMOTIONAL SYMPTOMS
71. DEPRESSION -----------yes because of MCS, not before
72. UNPREDICTABLE FEELINGS OF RAGE, ANGAR & FRUSTRATED -----------yes because of MCS
73. YOU HAVE A DEFENSIVE ATTITUDE -----------yes
74. HAPPY PEOPLE IRRITATE YOU
75. YOU’RE CONSTANTLY PLANNING
76. YOUR MOODS ARE CONSTENTLY CHANGING -----------yes
77. YOU SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE YELLING OR SCREAMING
78. YOU’RE NEVER HAPPY OR SATIFIED -----------yes
79. YOU’RE NEVER IN THE PRESENT MOMENT (a distant feeling)
80. YOU EXHIBIT THE PERSONALITY OF A PERFECTIONIST
81. YOU FEEL UNCOMFOTABLE IN THE PRESENCES OF STRANGERS
82. NEGLECT OF APPEARANCE
ADVANCED SYMPTOMS
83. ASTHMA
84. KIDNEY & BLADDER PROBLEMS
85. DIABETES TYPE-2
86. HEART DISEASE
87. ALZHEIMER’S
88. PARKINSON’S
89. CANCER
90. AIDS
91. PREMATURE AGING[/QUOTE]
fallen02
02-05-2004, 06:18 PM
I am going to do just a little more research, A lot of people say that doing a flush that quick and powerfull is dangerous.----but on the other hand, other people say that they have had no problems at all and say to 'go for it'
I really think that I am going to try it - possibly next week (Tuesday Maybe.
What is going to happen to me the next day when I wake up? Some people have said to do it on a day that one can rest on the next.
weakness?---or am I going to be sitting on the toilet all day??
I have no idea
So I might need to take off of work for a day----what a vacation day!
Wierd thing is that I met with my allergist today at 11:15 and she has never heard of it???
I am going to talk to this lady at the natural/herbal store in town?---she had mentioned something about it---and had gotten me thinking about it.
It seems to be really popular./ effective. (says the internet)---but when I search this forum--there isn't much(not enough at least)
Have you heard any 'horror stories'
Akita
I really think that I am going to try it - possibly next week (Tuesday Maybe.
What is going to happen to me the next day when I wake up? Some people have said to do it on a day that one can rest on the next.
weakness?---or am I going to be sitting on the toilet all day??
I have no idea
So I might need to take off of work for a day----what a vacation day!
Wierd thing is that I met with my allergist today at 11:15 and she has never heard of it???
I am going to talk to this lady at the natural/herbal store in town?---she had mentioned something about it---and had gotten me thinking about it.
It seems to be really popular./ effective. (says the internet)---but when I search this forum--there isn't much(not enough at least)
Have you heard any 'horror stories'
Akita
ny01
02-05-2004, 07:29 PM
I don't personally know anyone who has done the liver flush. Then again, personally I don't know anyone who has my MCS condition. I am curious how it goes. I hope you end up being one of those internet testimonials on how great it worked. Please let me know how it goes. Have you found anything that has helped you. Candida diet? Anti-fungals? High Dose Vitamin C? Saunas? I am so curious.
orange
02-05-2004, 11:07 PM
I have read a couple of things on the internet about Liver Flushes really helping out people with chemical sensitivities.
Anyone done one?
How?
Did it help?
is this chemical senstivity basically the same as having an ovelry sensitive nose? I have non allergic vasomotor rhinitis and i notice my nose is ovelry sensitive to almost every product with a odor. I can't stand perfume, detergent, hair spray, etc. Man, even my gf jokes to me about this and how she does everything to avoid wearing anything with strong odors or scents. Can you go into detail about this, cause i was starting to think i'm the only one with a ovelry sensitive nose to fragrences, etc
Anyone done one?
How?
Did it help?
is this chemical senstivity basically the same as having an ovelry sensitive nose? I have non allergic vasomotor rhinitis and i notice my nose is ovelry sensitive to almost every product with a odor. I can't stand perfume, detergent, hair spray, etc. Man, even my gf jokes to me about this and how she does everything to avoid wearing anything with strong odors or scents. Can you go into detail about this, cause i was starting to think i'm the only one with a ovelry sensitive nose to fragrences, etc
Hogan Grimm
02-06-2004, 05:57 AM
hey all,
I have done a liver cleanse. I followed the instructions to the letter when I did mine, and everything the instructions said would come out did. I did seem to feel better, but it did not stop my reactions to things I was allergic to. I have the instructions around here somewhere along with the list of everything you need to do it.
If you are interested I will post it.
Hogan Grimm
I have done a liver cleanse. I followed the instructions to the letter when I did mine, and everything the instructions said would come out did. I did seem to feel better, but it did not stop my reactions to things I was allergic to. I have the instructions around here somewhere along with the list of everything you need to do it.
If you are interested I will post it.
Hogan Grimm
Hogan Grimm
02-06-2004, 06:02 AM
By the way, you have to do it more than once, and then once you have followed the first phases of the program then you do the maintenance program
Hogan Grimm
Hogan Grimm
Freznic
02-06-2004, 10:50 AM
I am thinking of doing it as well. That being said, this questionnaire does not even mention risk. A gentleman I spoke to recently recommended testing your reaction to Epson salt before trying the 24-hour experience. Also, if using the grapefruit and olive oil TX, make sure you are okay with olive oil. Finally, it's not a bad idea to check with a medical professional, preferably w/ a homeopathic background.
I am not a professional, but plead with folks to check it out thoroughly before proceeding. As mentioned earlier, there are some horror stories. There are also a lot of satisfied people. Good luck!
NY01
read this, I think that I am going to perform a liver flush. Check out this questionaire.
If you are experiencing over 15 of the symptoms below, then you should perform a Liver Flush!
HEALTH QUESTIONNAIRE
SYMPTOMS CAUSED BY A CONGESTED & TOXIC LIVER
1. HAS YOUR GALLBLADDER BEEN SURGICALLY REMOVED Yes______ No ________
2. UPPER and/or LOWER BACK PAIN (especially after riding in a car or sitting for prolonged periods of time).
3. AN UNEXPLAINED HOT FEELING (night sweats - especially between 1:00 and 3:00 AM)
4. HIGH CHOLESTEROL (over 250)
5. CHRONIC FATIGUE
6. UNEXPLAINED STRESS (bracing/tension)
7. TMJ
8. A BLOATED FEELING
9. HEARTBURN
10. ACID REFLUX
11. BELCHING
12. DROWSINESS AFTER EATING
13. INTOLERANCE TO FATTY FOODS (they cause heartburn)
14. SLEEP DISORDERS
15. EARLY SIGNS OF DIABETES (hypoglycemia)
16. MUSCLE ACHES
17. MORNING STIFFNESS -----------yes
18. DEGENERATIVE DISEASES (Arthritis, Fibromyalgia, Lupus, MS. Etc.)
19. MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity) allergic reactions to odors like perfume, smoke and household cleansers, etc.
-----------yes(100% percent)
20. COATED TONGUE (white or yellowish looking) -----------yes
21. FEVER BLISTERS and/or COLD SORES
22. BLURRED VISION
23. BRIGHT SUNLIGHT HURTS YOUR EYES
24. POOR MEMORY
25. TROUBLES CONCENTRATING -----------yes
26. SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION (lack of desire or extremely fatigued afterwards)
27. HORMONEAL INBALANCE
28. UNEXPLAINED WEIGHT GAIN
29. POTUBERANT ABDOMEN (pot belly)
30. FATTY LUMPS and/or TUMOURS UNDER YOUR SKIN
31. THYROID PROBLEMS
32. FREQUENT INFECTIONS
33. FREQUENT BLADDER INFECTIONS
34. FAINTING -----------yes
35. DIZZINESS-----------yes
36. DARK URINE
37. PALE (WHITE) STOOL
38. EDEMA (swelling of the hands, legs, feet and/or back)
39. ASCITES (a buildup of fluid in your abdomen)
40. YOU BRUISE EASILY
41. YOU BLEED EASILY
42. EMACIATED APPEARANCE (unusually thin, regardless of how much you eat)
43. BROWNISH SPOTS and/or BLEMISHES ON SKIN (Liver Spots)
44. RED LOOKING COLOR TO HANDS AND/OR FEET -----------yes
45. RED PIN-SIZE DOTS ON YOUR STOMACH AREA
46. HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE
47. WHITES OF EYES ARE YELLOW LOOKING -----------yes
48. GREEN, YELLOW OR ORANGE TINT TO YOUR SKIN -----------yes
49. IS YOUR SKIN COLOR DARKER ON YOUR ARMS AND LEGS, THAN IT IS ON THE REST OF YOUR BODY (I’m not talking about a sun tan)
50. HYPERSENSITIVE TO NOISE
51. GALLSTONES
52. NAUSEA and/or VOMITING ATTACKS
53. COLD EXTREMITIES (hands and feet)
54. UNEXPLAINED COLD CHILLS (that causes your whole body to shake)
55. NUMBNESS OR TINLING OF THE EXTREMITIES (hands and feet)
56. ARM and/or CHEST PAIN THAT RESEMBLES A HEART ATTACK
57. HEART PALPITATIONS
58. WEAK TENDONS, LIGAMENTS & MUSCLES
59. MUSCLE SPASMS OR CRAMPS
60. OVERBURDENED IMMUNE SYSTEM -----------yes
61. SORE, PAINFUL OR TICKLISH (toxic) LYMPH’s (Push hard under your arms and under your collarbone area to check for Toxic Lymph problems).
-----------yes, I have developed a rash under my arm pit
62. HEADACHES AND/OR MIGRAINES -----------yes
63. CYSTS IN VARIOUS AREAS OF YOUR BODY
64. A CRUSTY BUILD-UP IN THE CORNER OF YOUR EYES FIRST THING IN THE MORNING.
65. CLENCHING AND GRINDING YOUR TEETH.
WOMEN ONLY
66. UTERINE FIBROIDS
67. OVARIAN CYSTS
68. ENDOMETRIOSIS
69. PAINFUL MENSTUATION
MEN ONLY
70. PROSTATE PROBLEMS
EMOTIONAL SYMPTOMS
71. DEPRESSION -----------yes
72. UNPREDICTABLE FEELINGS OF RAGE, ANGAR & FRUSTRATED -----------yes
73. YOU HAVE A DEFENSIVE ATTITUDE -----------yes
74. HAPPY PEOPLE IRRITATE YOU
75. YOU’RE CONSTANTLY PLANNING
76. YOUR MOODS ARE CONSTENTLY CHANGING -----------yes
77. YOU SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE YELLING OR SCREAMING -----------yes
78. YOU’RE NEVER HAPPY OR SATIFIED -----------yes
79. YOU’RE NEVER IN THE PRESENT MOMENT (a distant feeling)
80. YOU EXHIBIT THE PERSONALITY OF A PERFECTIONIST
81. YOU FEEL UNCOMFOTABLE IN THE PRESENCES OF STRANGERS
82. NEGLECT OF APPEARANCE -----------yes
ADVANCED SYMPTOMS
83. ASTHMA
84. KIDNEY & BLADDER PROBLEMS
85. DIABETES TYPE-2
86. HEART DISEASE
87. ALZHEIMER’S
88. PARKINSON’S
89. CANCER
90. AIDS
91. PREMATURE AGING
I am not a professional, but plead with folks to check it out thoroughly before proceeding. As mentioned earlier, there are some horror stories. There are also a lot of satisfied people. Good luck!
NY01
read this, I think that I am going to perform a liver flush. Check out this questionaire.
If you are experiencing over 15 of the symptoms below, then you should perform a Liver Flush!
HEALTH QUESTIONNAIRE
SYMPTOMS CAUSED BY A CONGESTED & TOXIC LIVER
1. HAS YOUR GALLBLADDER BEEN SURGICALLY REMOVED Yes______ No ________
2. UPPER and/or LOWER BACK PAIN (especially after riding in a car or sitting for prolonged periods of time).
3. AN UNEXPLAINED HOT FEELING (night sweats - especially between 1:00 and 3:00 AM)
4. HIGH CHOLESTEROL (over 250)
5. CHRONIC FATIGUE
6. UNEXPLAINED STRESS (bracing/tension)
7. TMJ
8. A BLOATED FEELING
9. HEARTBURN
10. ACID REFLUX
11. BELCHING
12. DROWSINESS AFTER EATING
13. INTOLERANCE TO FATTY FOODS (they cause heartburn)
14. SLEEP DISORDERS
15. EARLY SIGNS OF DIABETES (hypoglycemia)
16. MUSCLE ACHES
17. MORNING STIFFNESS -----------yes
18. DEGENERATIVE DISEASES (Arthritis, Fibromyalgia, Lupus, MS. Etc.)
19. MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity) allergic reactions to odors like perfume, smoke and household cleansers, etc.
-----------yes(100% percent)
20. COATED TONGUE (white or yellowish looking) -----------yes
21. FEVER BLISTERS and/or COLD SORES
22. BLURRED VISION
23. BRIGHT SUNLIGHT HURTS YOUR EYES
24. POOR MEMORY
25. TROUBLES CONCENTRATING -----------yes
26. SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION (lack of desire or extremely fatigued afterwards)
27. HORMONEAL INBALANCE
28. UNEXPLAINED WEIGHT GAIN
29. POTUBERANT ABDOMEN (pot belly)
30. FATTY LUMPS and/or TUMOURS UNDER YOUR SKIN
31. THYROID PROBLEMS
32. FREQUENT INFECTIONS
33. FREQUENT BLADDER INFECTIONS
34. FAINTING -----------yes
35. DIZZINESS-----------yes
36. DARK URINE
37. PALE (WHITE) STOOL
38. EDEMA (swelling of the hands, legs, feet and/or back)
39. ASCITES (a buildup of fluid in your abdomen)
40. YOU BRUISE EASILY
41. YOU BLEED EASILY
42. EMACIATED APPEARANCE (unusually thin, regardless of how much you eat)
43. BROWNISH SPOTS and/or BLEMISHES ON SKIN (Liver Spots)
44. RED LOOKING COLOR TO HANDS AND/OR FEET -----------yes
45. RED PIN-SIZE DOTS ON YOUR STOMACH AREA
46. HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE
47. WHITES OF EYES ARE YELLOW LOOKING -----------yes
48. GREEN, YELLOW OR ORANGE TINT TO YOUR SKIN -----------yes
49. IS YOUR SKIN COLOR DARKER ON YOUR ARMS AND LEGS, THAN IT IS ON THE REST OF YOUR BODY (I’m not talking about a sun tan)
50. HYPERSENSITIVE TO NOISE
51. GALLSTONES
52. NAUSEA and/or VOMITING ATTACKS
53. COLD EXTREMITIES (hands and feet)
54. UNEXPLAINED COLD CHILLS (that causes your whole body to shake)
55. NUMBNESS OR TINLING OF THE EXTREMITIES (hands and feet)
56. ARM and/or CHEST PAIN THAT RESEMBLES A HEART ATTACK
57. HEART PALPITATIONS
58. WEAK TENDONS, LIGAMENTS & MUSCLES
59. MUSCLE SPASMS OR CRAMPS
60. OVERBURDENED IMMUNE SYSTEM -----------yes
61. SORE, PAINFUL OR TICKLISH (toxic) LYMPH’s (Push hard under your arms and under your collarbone area to check for Toxic Lymph problems).
-----------yes, I have developed a rash under my arm pit
62. HEADACHES AND/OR MIGRAINES -----------yes
63. CYSTS IN VARIOUS AREAS OF YOUR BODY
64. A CRUSTY BUILD-UP IN THE CORNER OF YOUR EYES FIRST THING IN THE MORNING.
65. CLENCHING AND GRINDING YOUR TEETH.
WOMEN ONLY
66. UTERINE FIBROIDS
67. OVARIAN CYSTS
68. ENDOMETRIOSIS
69. PAINFUL MENSTUATION
MEN ONLY
70. PROSTATE PROBLEMS
EMOTIONAL SYMPTOMS
71. DEPRESSION -----------yes
72. UNPREDICTABLE FEELINGS OF RAGE, ANGAR & FRUSTRATED -----------yes
73. YOU HAVE A DEFENSIVE ATTITUDE -----------yes
74. HAPPY PEOPLE IRRITATE YOU
75. YOU’RE CONSTANTLY PLANNING
76. YOUR MOODS ARE CONSTENTLY CHANGING -----------yes
77. YOU SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE YELLING OR SCREAMING -----------yes
78. YOU’RE NEVER HAPPY OR SATIFIED -----------yes
79. YOU’RE NEVER IN THE PRESENT MOMENT (a distant feeling)
80. YOU EXHIBIT THE PERSONALITY OF A PERFECTIONIST
81. YOU FEEL UNCOMFOTABLE IN THE PRESENCES OF STRANGERS
82. NEGLECT OF APPEARANCE -----------yes
ADVANCED SYMPTOMS
83. ASTHMA
84. KIDNEY & BLADDER PROBLEMS
85. DIABETES TYPE-2
86. HEART DISEASE
87. ALZHEIMER’S
88. PARKINSON’S
89. CANCER
90. AIDS
91. PREMATURE AGING
fallen02
02-06-2004, 04:49 PM
hey all,
I have done a liver cleanse. I followed the instructions to the letter when I did mine, and everything the instructions said would come out did. I did seem to feel better, but it did not stop my reactions to things I was allergic to. I have the instructions around here somewhere along with the list of everything you need to do it.
If you are interested I will post it.
Hogan Grimm
I am interested, post the letter!
So how did you feel the next morning?---why do they say to do it when you have nothing to do the next day??
Akita
I have done a liver cleanse. I followed the instructions to the letter when I did mine, and everything the instructions said would come out did. I did seem to feel better, but it did not stop my reactions to things I was allergic to. I have the instructions around here somewhere along with the list of everything you need to do it.
If you are interested I will post it.
Hogan Grimm
I am interested, post the letter!
So how did you feel the next morning?---why do they say to do it when you have nothing to do the next day??
Akita
RyansWife
02-06-2004, 05:17 PM
I steer clear of anything- homeopathic or over the counter- that says it is proven to help or cure nearly everything under the sun. That questionaire literally somehow includes nearly every single symptom that one person (male or female) is bound to have a whole handful of regardless if they are healthy or not.
I've done loads of research for the chronic hives i've experienced and honestly i cant find anything that doesnt sound so unbelievable for the sheer fact it claims it can help with hives to repairing your bad credit and being the best carpet cleaner you'll ever see.
The reality of homeopathic medicine and herbal remedies is that while some of them can eliminate symptoms and even magically cure some problems in "some" people i think too many places on the internet have these miracle cures (and the liver flush really has a generalized symptom list that can apply to even my cat, so i guess she needs a liver flush too). This is not to say that it cant help with a limited number of things in a limited # of people, its just fluffed up too much for me to believe in it.
If a pharmaceutical company came out with one pill or injection fluffed up to cure about 3,000 ailments (such as the liver flush claims) they would be laughed at and asked to prove it in scientific measures with actual proof. Yet homeopathic medicine is so hard to prove since there isnt a great amount of people or charity willing to support the research like there is for more prominant causes like cancer or AIDS. So when you are taking a websites claim as the whole truth (especially if it is a site that is willing to sell you any essentials to carry out the homeopathic approach) i would be a little cautious when approaching it as gospel.
And anything that is willing to flush out whatever is in your digestive tract- especially the colon which is an organ designed to absorb vitamins, minerals and nutrients from what we eat- doesnt sound like something very healthy. Not to mention what can make things like laxitives and diarrhea so bad is the fact that it eliminates the good intestinal flora which are designed to fight off bacteria from many things we eat that could and can make us very sick. Those flora are very important.
Anyway, im not a "firm" believer in home-medicine, but i think there is enough success out there to make people crave more answers to their physical and emotional ailments. But i think there has been a complete overboard of sites out there willing to vouch for a cure for nearly everything as long as one person can say it helped them with that particular ailment on the list. Well, there is a lot to say for placebos and the way the mind works over our body when we "think" we are receiving something that is truly going to fix us. So i wonder how many times those naturalistic approaches just tap into the strange and unexplainable placebo phenomenon?
Just to give you a PRIME example of how ridiculous some of these things are out there that claim to help...I was doing some research (as usual) on allergies and managed to come across a site that looked very ligitimate, that is, until i noticed that the questionaire was having you check off everything that applies to you...and the funniest one on the list was "odorous stools" and it said "Your stools should not have any smell and if they do, something is wrong and you have an imbalance in your system" that was when i just closed the window and realized that i just wasted my time even filling it out because many places have little programs that say "CLICK HERE TO SEE IF YOU HAVE AN IMBALANCE" and by the end of it you have checked off a half dozen things that start to make you think you are about to die and need that herbal remedy shipped to you overnight! Also many of those forms have the same results no matter what you check off that applies to you, they are programmed with a confirmation page (you can tell i do web design cant ya?) that is designed to pop up only when atleast 1 choice is checked off or the "submit" button is sent and the visitor is told that they really need to invest into these methods because its the magical cure. To me, sites and homeopathic ideas like that should be treated like the junk mail we get from places we've never even applied to offering us an unlimited credit line on a no interest credit card- YEAH right!- or those stupid and ever increasing popups that claim "You have just WON! Click here to get your money"
I hope i didnt offend anyone with my "if its too good to be true, then it probably is" post.
I've done loads of research for the chronic hives i've experienced and honestly i cant find anything that doesnt sound so unbelievable for the sheer fact it claims it can help with hives to repairing your bad credit and being the best carpet cleaner you'll ever see.
The reality of homeopathic medicine and herbal remedies is that while some of them can eliminate symptoms and even magically cure some problems in "some" people i think too many places on the internet have these miracle cures (and the liver flush really has a generalized symptom list that can apply to even my cat, so i guess she needs a liver flush too). This is not to say that it cant help with a limited number of things in a limited # of people, its just fluffed up too much for me to believe in it.
If a pharmaceutical company came out with one pill or injection fluffed up to cure about 3,000 ailments (such as the liver flush claims) they would be laughed at and asked to prove it in scientific measures with actual proof. Yet homeopathic medicine is so hard to prove since there isnt a great amount of people or charity willing to support the research like there is for more prominant causes like cancer or AIDS. So when you are taking a websites claim as the whole truth (especially if it is a site that is willing to sell you any essentials to carry out the homeopathic approach) i would be a little cautious when approaching it as gospel.
And anything that is willing to flush out whatever is in your digestive tract- especially the colon which is an organ designed to absorb vitamins, minerals and nutrients from what we eat- doesnt sound like something very healthy. Not to mention what can make things like laxitives and diarrhea so bad is the fact that it eliminates the good intestinal flora which are designed to fight off bacteria from many things we eat that could and can make us very sick. Those flora are very important.
Anyway, im not a "firm" believer in home-medicine, but i think there is enough success out there to make people crave more answers to their physical and emotional ailments. But i think there has been a complete overboard of sites out there willing to vouch for a cure for nearly everything as long as one person can say it helped them with that particular ailment on the list. Well, there is a lot to say for placebos and the way the mind works over our body when we "think" we are receiving something that is truly going to fix us. So i wonder how many times those naturalistic approaches just tap into the strange and unexplainable placebo phenomenon?
Just to give you a PRIME example of how ridiculous some of these things are out there that claim to help...I was doing some research (as usual) on allergies and managed to come across a site that looked very ligitimate, that is, until i noticed that the questionaire was having you check off everything that applies to you...and the funniest one on the list was "odorous stools" and it said "Your stools should not have any smell and if they do, something is wrong and you have an imbalance in your system" that was when i just closed the window and realized that i just wasted my time even filling it out because many places have little programs that say "CLICK HERE TO SEE IF YOU HAVE AN IMBALANCE" and by the end of it you have checked off a half dozen things that start to make you think you are about to die and need that herbal remedy shipped to you overnight! Also many of those forms have the same results no matter what you check off that applies to you, they are programmed with a confirmation page (you can tell i do web design cant ya?) that is designed to pop up only when atleast 1 choice is checked off or the "submit" button is sent and the visitor is told that they really need to invest into these methods because its the magical cure. To me, sites and homeopathic ideas like that should be treated like the junk mail we get from places we've never even applied to offering us an unlimited credit line on a no interest credit card- YEAH right!- or those stupid and ever increasing popups that claim "You have just WON! Click here to get your money"
I hope i didnt offend anyone with my "if its too good to be true, then it probably is" post.