savanannastar
02-04-2004, 09:57 PM
Hi guys i have been on a diet for about a week now(to lose weight and lower my cholesteral)My question is why are carbs sooo bad for you,I love pasta and potatoes and dont think i can live with out them however i can give up on meats and i have,but thats all i hear about is the carbs,I mean they should be better most have no fat right? Should i be living on carbs or are they that bad? :confused:
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sean
02-05-2004, 01:41 AM
Hi guys i have been on a diet for about a week now(to lose weight and lower my cholesteral)My question is why are carbs sooo bad for you,I love pasta and potatoes and dont think i can live with out them however i can give up on meats and i have,but thats all i hear about is the carbs,I mean they should be better most have no fat right? Should i be living on carbs or are they that bad? :confused:
It's not that carbs are "bad" Carbs may be useful for some purposes, such as quick energy. Anyone who exercises intensely or for long stretches can handle quite a lot of carb foods without putting on weight.
What is "bad" is that most of the carbohydrate foods in the modern diet--definitely including the two you mention--are empty calories or nearly so, providing very little protein (truly an essential nutrient-- why have you cut out meat?), and very little fat (some fats are also essential, and while these can sometimes be found in starchy foods, they are not usually found in refined "white" foods such as pasta or white rice or white bread). So, all you get are the calories. Most of these foods are so refined that they don't even provide much fiber--the one truly useful commodity we might expect from these foods.
Then, without going into an Atkins riff, the second thing objected to is that carbs can, and in large amounts almost certainly will, lead your body into an insulin reaction, and this can spur fat storage. This is good if you are too thin, but not if you want to lose weight.
So, many would say that if you want to cut your body fat, the first group of foods to reduce would be simple carbohydrates.
You sound like you need to srudy up quite a lot more before tampering radically with your diet. No, fats are not all bad, not at all--some will cause disease if you avoid them completely. That's why they are called Essential fatty acids.
Better you should just cut down on portion size, emphasize protein and whole foods (brown rice, whole wheat or whole grains, leafy low carb, high-fiber vegetables), and spend several hours reading up on things before making too many radical shifts.
also, I'd advise a good quality multi vitamin and mineral before you take any foods out of your diet.
hope this helps
sean
It's not that carbs are "bad" Carbs may be useful for some purposes, such as quick energy. Anyone who exercises intensely or for long stretches can handle quite a lot of carb foods without putting on weight.
What is "bad" is that most of the carbohydrate foods in the modern diet--definitely including the two you mention--are empty calories or nearly so, providing very little protein (truly an essential nutrient-- why have you cut out meat?), and very little fat (some fats are also essential, and while these can sometimes be found in starchy foods, they are not usually found in refined "white" foods such as pasta or white rice or white bread). So, all you get are the calories. Most of these foods are so refined that they don't even provide much fiber--the one truly useful commodity we might expect from these foods.
Then, without going into an Atkins riff, the second thing objected to is that carbs can, and in large amounts almost certainly will, lead your body into an insulin reaction, and this can spur fat storage. This is good if you are too thin, but not if you want to lose weight.
So, many would say that if you want to cut your body fat, the first group of foods to reduce would be simple carbohydrates.
You sound like you need to srudy up quite a lot more before tampering radically with your diet. No, fats are not all bad, not at all--some will cause disease if you avoid them completely. That's why they are called Essential fatty acids.
Better you should just cut down on portion size, emphasize protein and whole foods (brown rice, whole wheat or whole grains, leafy low carb, high-fiber vegetables), and spend several hours reading up on things before making too many radical shifts.
also, I'd advise a good quality multi vitamin and mineral before you take any foods out of your diet.
hope this helps
sean
Nash-t
02-05-2004, 01:41 AM
Not all carbs are bad! veggie carbs are good carbs ... patato carbs are full of carbs and starches...most meats are carb-free? unless it's like breaded or something.......I think the reason you don't eat carbs or to many carbs is kinda like the Atkins diet....eating carbs produce your insul level to rise and they have sugar sugar makes you hungry and you eat more....so people on the Atkins D can eat lo carbs and stay full most of the time and loses weight/ puts them in keytosas and they pee the fat out?...of course the Atkins D has an induction phase that they use no carbs for two weeks at all? then they start the lo carbs but always consult your Dr before going on any type of Diet.
Shane S
02-05-2004, 07:37 AM
They're not. What's bad are simple carbs and the combination of carbs and fat. Don't believe anyone who tries to convince you that the carbs in oatmeal should be counted the same as the carbs in a chocolate bar.
You should not be living on carbs, but they should be the largest part of your diet, followed by protein and lastly fat (though it should not be excessively low either).
You should not be living on carbs, but they should be the largest part of your diet, followed by protein and lastly fat (though it should not be excessively low either).
Magpiezoe
02-05-2004, 09:56 AM
Hello, I agree with the idea of portion control. I really feel that the biggest "problem" with carbs is the amount that people eat and what is put on them and how they are cooked. As far as nutritional value...Sure the bleached stuff isn't as good as the whole grain or whole wheat. I totally agree on that, but potatoes do have vitamins. The best vitamin in a potato is potasium and bananas also have a great deal of vitamins too. (Some people down bananas.) The trick with the potato is to eat it baked or boiled with the skin, which is where a lot of the nutrients are. Make sure you only eat one potato.
I mentioned toppings....Most of us have a habit, like I used to of using lots of butter, sour cream, alfredo/cheese sauce, meat sauce made with cheap ground chuck, yummy gravy made from fatty meat drippings, sauces with heavy oil content...basically tons of fat and salt. Keep in mind that most of us do not put one serving of the butter or sauces on our pastas and potatoes...I like to drown my food in a sea of sauce. So, how did I get around this stuff? Ok, I'm will admit that I still am not doing to good on the salt part, but I have the fat thing licked. (Keep in mind that I do some eat fat, but not lots like I used to.) For the potato I use salsa, (not good if you have to watch the salt) Breakstone's fat-free sour cream, light margarine spread without the trans fats, or lemon pepper. For the pasta I use extermely low-fat or fat-free tomato sauce, fresh chopped tomatoes, or light margarine spread without the trans fats. I always put grated parmesan/romano on my pasta as a habit and for some calcium, since those cheese are low-fat...only 1.5-2 grams total fat per serving.
I mentioned toppings....Most of us have a habit, like I used to of using lots of butter, sour cream, alfredo/cheese sauce, meat sauce made with cheap ground chuck, yummy gravy made from fatty meat drippings, sauces with heavy oil content...basically tons of fat and salt. Keep in mind that most of us do not put one serving of the butter or sauces on our pastas and potatoes...I like to drown my food in a sea of sauce. So, how did I get around this stuff? Ok, I'm will admit that I still am not doing to good on the salt part, but I have the fat thing licked. (Keep in mind that I do some eat fat, but not lots like I used to.) For the potato I use salsa, (not good if you have to watch the salt) Breakstone's fat-free sour cream, light margarine spread without the trans fats, or lemon pepper. For the pasta I use extermely low-fat or fat-free tomato sauce, fresh chopped tomatoes, or light margarine spread without the trans fats. I always put grated parmesan/romano on my pasta as a habit and for some calcium, since those cheese are low-fat...only 1.5-2 grams total fat per serving.
savanannastar
02-05-2004, 02:39 PM
As for the question of why cut out fat or meat?It is because of my cholesterol I was told by doc to cut out alot of my fat because she did not want to put me on the drugs just yet cause of my age.I figured cutting all my fa(meats) out would be the easiest thing to do(also need to lose 20 pounds)but the only other things i eat are carbs(pastas,breads,potatoes,etc)so if i cut out meat that would be all that is left in my diet,That is why i asked the question about carbs,everytime i turn on the t.v i hear about cutting carbs out of your diet.Also i hate fruit the only thing i will eat is an occasional bananna.
mugal2003
02-05-2004, 03:45 PM
Not all meats have alot of fat in them. I don't eat beef but I eat lean turkey, chicken, or slices of deli hame. They usually have a 1 gram or sometimes 0.5 grams of fat, with no sat. fat at all. You need protein badly!!! Yogurt is a good source of protein and calcium, if you want to watch your sugar, go for the low sugar yogurt(Blue Bunny is the best), those have no fat in them, and have alot of protein in them. Peanut Butter, although it's "fatty" provides a good source of protein and it is considered the good fat, with mony and poly fats in them that are good for you heart. Opt for the natural kind, and just limit yourself maybe a tablespoon on a piece of wheat bread, or spread it on a banana. If eat carbs, i always include protein in them. This helps the body digest them, and protein takes more calories to digest, therefore you will be full longer. Just limit your sweets, and include lots of veggies, lean protein, complex carbs(whole grains), and lots of water!
nenofury
02-05-2004, 04:49 PM
The first three posters are correct. Your doctor is an idiot for giving you an instructions like "cut out the fat" or whatever. The "diet" you are on now will do very little for cholesterol and will most definitely make you fatter. Maybe not larger, but without protein you will lose muscle and put fat in it's place. You must eat meat, just make sure most of it is lean (chicken, turkey, fish). Avoid processed fats like cooking oils, margarine, etc... Butter, cheese, peanuts, etc... are all good fats. Low glycemic carbs are fine, like oatmeal, yams, green veggies.
Eating only carbs like rice, potatoes, and bread is one of the most unhealty things you can do.
Eating only carbs like rice, potatoes, and bread is one of the most unhealty things you can do.
Jaber
02-05-2004, 05:05 PM
"Eating only carbs like rice, potatoes, and bread is one of the most unhealty things you can do."
Although this is true, eating nothing but bacon and junk food is just as bad as eating nothing but carbs. I just wanted to add that just because the "no/low carb" diet is THE fad diet in America right now, it does not mean it's the best. Just like the Scarsdale diet was THE diet of the 80s, fad diets come and go. The best way to lose weight is portion control, and plenty of exercise (and drinking lots of water). Bottom line.
Although this is true, eating nothing but bacon and junk food is just as bad as eating nothing but carbs. I just wanted to add that just because the "no/low carb" diet is THE fad diet in America right now, it does not mean it's the best. Just like the Scarsdale diet was THE diet of the 80s, fad diets come and go. The best way to lose weight is portion control, and plenty of exercise (and drinking lots of water). Bottom line.
Nash-t
02-06-2004, 02:11 AM
Well you know this ain't a "Fairy Tale" world we all live in and dieting is not a easy thing to do for anyone!!!....sure by not over eatting and eatting the right foods and drinking plenty of water you can lose weight "bottom line" but who in all honesty can do that?
I think everyones body works a little different and what works for some may not work for others!!! you can lose weight on most diets if you follow them to the T ... but after a while the weight comes back A yo-yo effect if you will!
The lo carbohydrate diets are a proven fact in dieting and is the safe way to go and by staying true to the diet it will always keep you fit and at a comfortable weight following the diet... "Atkins Diet" is best in my opinion
but you don't have to take my word for it....the Atkins diet is not what some of you think it is (bad for you?) if you get the Dr Atkins New Relv diet book (and follow it) as close as you can you will be able to lose weight and keep it off and actually feel better, more energy more mussel mass you look leaner and just feel better . Simple diet Just follow Dr Atkins Program.
Sure eatting lo carbs gets old but after your induction phase you can start to have more and more carbs (the good carbs that is) the book will explain that to you and how foods are metabolise in your body/ all bout how the lo carbs and fatty carbs work. it even has a carb /gram counter chart and tells you what are hi carbs and fatty carbs ect,ect. you will be suprised as how you used to eat carbs I know I was certainly suprised.
Without going into detail about how and why you should not consume hi carbs/ ect,ect? I won't...lol
Unless you went to medcial school and know about nutrition don't knock Dr Atkins! he reserched this diet for over 45 years and found it to be safe if followed by his program and he took that to his grave!
("Note" let it be known that his diet (was not) the cause of his death".
Also the Atkins D is not consider a "FAD DIET" it's been around a long long time!
Heres kinda what I do I been on the Atkins D for a couple years/ lost over 60 lbs.... and I do miss all the junk foods I was used to like Ice CREAM/Ham burgers/ cakes/cookies pies/ chicken fried steak with patatos/ greavy/ Mmmmm all the hi Carbs/... so I have me one cheat day a month if I get the erge for that???...but if you do cheat be sure and cheat good for that one day only and get back on the Atkins the very next day.....but don't tell anyone lol thats the trick lol........
But all in all you know how your health is and no matter what is said about the Atkins Diet don't let it scare you away from it! like I said if you follow it (his book") as close as you can it will work for ya!
I am not a medical Dr so you will know "my opinions/ or just that my opinions" and there not dierected or meant to be offensive to anyone.
And remember when starting any dieting or exersise always consult a Dr.
Good Luck!!! I wish you many many years of great health and Happinest.
I think everyones body works a little different and what works for some may not work for others!!! you can lose weight on most diets if you follow them to the T ... but after a while the weight comes back A yo-yo effect if you will!
The lo carbohydrate diets are a proven fact in dieting and is the safe way to go and by staying true to the diet it will always keep you fit and at a comfortable weight following the diet... "Atkins Diet" is best in my opinion
but you don't have to take my word for it....the Atkins diet is not what some of you think it is (bad for you?) if you get the Dr Atkins New Relv diet book (and follow it) as close as you can you will be able to lose weight and keep it off and actually feel better, more energy more mussel mass you look leaner and just feel better . Simple diet Just follow Dr Atkins Program.
Sure eatting lo carbs gets old but after your induction phase you can start to have more and more carbs (the good carbs that is) the book will explain that to you and how foods are metabolise in your body/ all bout how the lo carbs and fatty carbs work. it even has a carb /gram counter chart and tells you what are hi carbs and fatty carbs ect,ect. you will be suprised as how you used to eat carbs I know I was certainly suprised.
Without going into detail about how and why you should not consume hi carbs/ ect,ect? I won't...lol
Unless you went to medcial school and know about nutrition don't knock Dr Atkins! he reserched this diet for over 45 years and found it to be safe if followed by his program and he took that to his grave!
("Note" let it be known that his diet (was not) the cause of his death".
Also the Atkins D is not consider a "FAD DIET" it's been around a long long time!
Heres kinda what I do I been on the Atkins D for a couple years/ lost over 60 lbs.... and I do miss all the junk foods I was used to like Ice CREAM/Ham burgers/ cakes/cookies pies/ chicken fried steak with patatos/ greavy/ Mmmmm all the hi Carbs/... so I have me one cheat day a month if I get the erge for that???...but if you do cheat be sure and cheat good for that one day only and get back on the Atkins the very next day.....but don't tell anyone lol thats the trick lol........
But all in all you know how your health is and no matter what is said about the Atkins Diet don't let it scare you away from it! like I said if you follow it (his book") as close as you can it will work for ya!
I am not a medical Dr so you will know "my opinions/ or just that my opinions" and there not dierected or meant to be offensive to anyone.
And remember when starting any dieting or exersise always consult a Dr.
Good Luck!!! I wish you many many years of great health and Happinest.
girlygirly
02-06-2004, 10:50 AM
As for the question of why cut out fat or meat?It is because of my cholesterol I was told by doc to cut out alot of my fat because she did not want to put me on the drugs just yet cause of my age.I figured cutting all my fa(meats) out would be the easiest thing to do(also need to lose 20 pounds)but the only other things i eat are carbs(pastas,breads,potatoes,etc)so if i cut out meat that would be all that is left in my diet,That is why i asked the question about carbs,everytime i turn on the t.v i hear about cutting carbs out of your diet.Also i hate fruit the only thing i will eat is an occasional bananna.
The type of fat that "causes" high cholesterol is trans fats :eek: not saturated fats or food like eggs that contain cholesterol. The carbs you state that you are eating especially the pastas and breads unless they are whole grain (not whole wheat) will raise your triglyercides and lower your hdl. The carbs that you hear about that you should cut out sound like the ones you are eating. Increasing fruits and vegetables will help to lower your cholesterol and give you the fiber you need to keep your bowels functioning properly and give you important vitamins,minerals, amino acids, and enzmes essential for good health. Sometimes the "easiest" thing to do isn't the "wisest" thing to do.
Good Luck.
The type of fat that "causes" high cholesterol is trans fats :eek: not saturated fats or food like eggs that contain cholesterol. The carbs you state that you are eating especially the pastas and breads unless they are whole grain (not whole wheat) will raise your triglyercides and lower your hdl. The carbs that you hear about that you should cut out sound like the ones you are eating. Increasing fruits and vegetables will help to lower your cholesterol and give you the fiber you need to keep your bowels functioning properly and give you important vitamins,minerals, amino acids, and enzmes essential for good health. Sometimes the "easiest" thing to do isn't the "wisest" thing to do.
Good Luck.
nenofury
02-06-2004, 11:09 AM
"Eating only carbs like rice, potatoes, and bread is one of the most unhealty things you can do."
Although this is true, eating nothing but bacon and junk food is just as bad as eating nothing but carbs. I just wanted to add that just because the "no/low carb" diet is THE fad diet in America right now, it does not mean it's the best. Just like the Scarsdale diet was THE diet of the 80s, fad diets come and go. The best way to lose weight is portion control, and plenty of exercise (and drinking lots of water). Bottom line.
I explained in detail the proper way to eat. Why is it that you people see "low carb" and immediately think of the induction phase of Atkins. :confused:
And by the way, low-carb is the best way to maintain optimum health for the rest of your life. Science and evolution have proved that.
Although this is true, eating nothing but bacon and junk food is just as bad as eating nothing but carbs. I just wanted to add that just because the "no/low carb" diet is THE fad diet in America right now, it does not mean it's the best. Just like the Scarsdale diet was THE diet of the 80s, fad diets come and go. The best way to lose weight is portion control, and plenty of exercise (and drinking lots of water). Bottom line.
I explained in detail the proper way to eat. Why is it that you people see "low carb" and immediately think of the induction phase of Atkins. :confused:
And by the way, low-carb is the best way to maintain optimum health for the rest of your life. Science and evolution have proved that.
wearesiamese
02-06-2004, 12:20 PM
I agree with Nenofury. Also, I practice a low carb lifestyle, but that doesn't mean that if once in awhile I want a plate of spaghetti I won't have it. I just don't do it everyday.
Jaber
02-06-2004, 12:29 PM
I explained in detail the proper way to eat. Why is it that you people see "low carb" and immediately think of the induction phase of Atkins. :confused:
And by the way, low-carb is the best way to maintain optimum health for the rest of your life. Science and evolution have proved that.[/QUOTE]
The "proper way to eat" for you is meant for you, and you only. Anyone looking to eat better and want to lose weight should see a few nutritionists, and then make a decision. Just like all of us here on these boards, nutritionists favor certain ways of eating also. Low carb may work for you, but it is Not for everyone. If you are an athlete or work out, you are going to need to have lots of carbs in your diet, it provides energy, which is VERY necessary.
All of the Drs. that make up these diets and not proving anything. If there were scientific proof that their specific diet is THE best for everyone, then there would be no reason for nutritionists/doctors to debate. And until then, the debate will go on.
I find it funny that no one has mentioned anything about exercise, when this, in combination with eating right, is really the only way to lose weight. Now that IS a fact.
And by the way, low-carb is the best way to maintain optimum health for the rest of your life. Science and evolution have proved that.[/QUOTE]
The "proper way to eat" for you is meant for you, and you only. Anyone looking to eat better and want to lose weight should see a few nutritionists, and then make a decision. Just like all of us here on these boards, nutritionists favor certain ways of eating also. Low carb may work for you, but it is Not for everyone. If you are an athlete or work out, you are going to need to have lots of carbs in your diet, it provides energy, which is VERY necessary.
All of the Drs. that make up these diets and not proving anything. If there were scientific proof that their specific diet is THE best for everyone, then there would be no reason for nutritionists/doctors to debate. And until then, the debate will go on.
I find it funny that no one has mentioned anything about exercise, when this, in combination with eating right, is really the only way to lose weight. Now that IS a fact.
Shane S
02-06-2004, 07:04 PM
[quote]Well you know this ain't a "Fairy Tale" world we all live in and dieting is not a easy thing to do for anyone
I find dieting to be easy myself.
I find it funny that no one has mentioned anything about exercise, when this, in combination with eating right, is really the only way to lose weight.
Atkins is very couch potato-centric. You can lose weight without any exercise at all, although that doesn't necessarily mean it's healthy.
I find dieting to be easy myself.
I find it funny that no one has mentioned anything about exercise, when this, in combination with eating right, is really the only way to lose weight.
Atkins is very couch potato-centric. You can lose weight without any exercise at all, although that doesn't necessarily mean it's healthy.
Nash-t
02-06-2004, 10:38 PM
I don't agree that dieting is eazy....if it was there would be more and more leaner and skinny people..Atkins is not a "couch patato" diet I work hard and exersise evey day!
about 10 years ago
I almost died from dieting...it was my fault I was so tired of being overweight I went on a starvation diet I only ate a small salad/water one a day for 65 days..well it sure messed up my body I got so sick...my keytones and my instric-factor disapated ECT,ECT just a few to mention!. I run off the track for sure back then...
So now I have perneous annmia...<can't spell that....but anyway I now have to take b-12 injections the rest of my life for my stupidy....so obviously eatting the right foods play a major part in the diet system. Carbohydrates play a "MAJOR" roll in the food group as well.
I have tried lots of diets and the only safe one and the one that works for me is Atkins/ I get a check up from my Dr every 6 months and all the blood work and stuff come back just fine all the blood counts are normal ...so finaly Dr Atkins has me back on the right track .
If some one don't agree with Atkins thats fine thats there choice/but for the ones of us who do we know it works and we know it's safe!!! not to have a double standards myself here!!! the Atkins D is pretty simple to do!
providing you follow his program by the book!
Perhaps the Atkins diet is not for everyone!! but to me if anyone is trying there best to lose weight to look and feel better bout them selfs and they stay pretty healthy doing it....I wont put them down for it no matter what type of diet they chose!
A person just needs to educate themselfs by reading up on the right foods to eat...thats what I'm now doing!
what is they say hind sight is 20/20????????????
about 10 years ago
I almost died from dieting...it was my fault I was so tired of being overweight I went on a starvation diet I only ate a small salad/water one a day for 65 days..well it sure messed up my body I got so sick...my keytones and my instric-factor disapated ECT,ECT just a few to mention!. I run off the track for sure back then...
So now I have perneous annmia...<can't spell that....but anyway I now have to take b-12 injections the rest of my life for my stupidy....so obviously eatting the right foods play a major part in the diet system. Carbohydrates play a "MAJOR" roll in the food group as well.
I have tried lots of diets and the only safe one and the one that works for me is Atkins/ I get a check up from my Dr every 6 months and all the blood work and stuff come back just fine all the blood counts are normal ...so finaly Dr Atkins has me back on the right track .
If some one don't agree with Atkins thats fine thats there choice/but for the ones of us who do we know it works and we know it's safe!!! not to have a double standards myself here!!! the Atkins D is pretty simple to do!
providing you follow his program by the book!
Perhaps the Atkins diet is not for everyone!! but to me if anyone is trying there best to lose weight to look and feel better bout them selfs and they stay pretty healthy doing it....I wont put them down for it no matter what type of diet they chose!
A person just needs to educate themselfs by reading up on the right foods to eat...thats what I'm now doing!
what is they say hind sight is 20/20????????????
auntjudyg
02-07-2004, 08:06 PM
Atkins is very couch potato-centric. You can lose weight without any exercise at all, although that doesn't necessarily mean it's healthy.
This is showing up quite often lately as a criticism of Atkins. What anti-Atkins website is everyone getting it off? Are you saying that you "think" that Atkins, a cardiologist, said exercise is not a good thing? Come on . . . give a source.
This is showing up quite often lately as a criticism of Atkins. What anti-Atkins website is everyone getting it off? Are you saying that you "think" that Atkins, a cardiologist, said exercise is not a good thing? Come on . . . give a source.
Shane S
02-08-2004, 12:21 AM
Anyone with a good exercise routine doesn't need a wacky diet. Anyway, any real exercise relies heavily on glycogen. Sure, a 2 mile an hour "jog" might even be easier under a low carb plan, but bump the intensity and watch the performance decline.
auntjudyg
02-08-2004, 06:59 PM
Anyone with a good exercise routine doesn't need a wacky diet.
Do you consider empathy a desirable trait?
Do you consider empathy a desirable trait?
Shane S
02-08-2004, 11:06 PM
As much so as the ability to remain relevant.
AduSmooth
02-09-2004, 12:22 AM
first off, carbs are not bad at all. All of you people who are on atkins and all that stupid stuff (no offense dr. asskins), are either lazy, and dont feel like working off your carbs and gaining muscle, or are unable to workout bc of injuries or whatnot. But anyways, it's crazy to be counting impact carbs up to 25 or so a day, adn to totally cut carbs for 2 weeks! Just exercise and there will be no problem. Carbs are good, adn are essential if you want to perform to you maximum capacity. As said by the good man Shane S, carbs are not bad.
auntjudyg
02-09-2004, 12:13 PM
As much so as the ability to remain relevant.
You mean like exercise is relevant to the topic "why are carbs bad"?
You mean like exercise is relevant to the topic "why are carbs bad"?
auntjudyg
02-09-2004, 12:20 PM
first off, carbs are not bad at all. All of you people who are on atkins and all that stupid stuff (no offense dr. asskins), are either lazy, and dont feel like working off your carbs and gaining muscle, or are unable to workout bc of injuries or whatnot. But anyways, it's crazy to be counting impact carbs up to 25 or so a day, adn to totally cut carbs for 2 weeks! Just exercise and there will be no problem. Carbs are good, adn are essential if you want to perform to you maximum capacity. As said by the good man Shane S, carbs are not bad.
Could one of you who is into the working out explain why so many of you are bent on spending your time bashing Atkins and other plans? Why are you not just satisfied to but forward any the benefits (presuming there are any) to your plan in a positive way rather than knocking what other people have found beneficial? Or is it that the excessive working of muscles leaves you with the uncontrollable urge to "bash" something, if not literally then figuratively? In which case, no thanks. Even IF there were some health benefit, I wouldn't think it was worth it.
Could one of you who is into the working out explain why so many of you are bent on spending your time bashing Atkins and other plans? Why are you not just satisfied to but forward any the benefits (presuming there are any) to your plan in a positive way rather than knocking what other people have found beneficial? Or is it that the excessive working of muscles leaves you with the uncontrollable urge to "bash" something, if not literally then figuratively? In which case, no thanks. Even IF there were some health benefit, I wouldn't think it was worth it.
nenofury
02-09-2004, 12:23 PM
first off, carbs are not bad at all. All of you people who are on atkins and all that stupid stuff (no offense dr. asskins), are either lazy, and dont feel like working off your carbs and gaining muscle, or are unable to workout bc of injuries or whatnot. But anyways, it's crazy to be counting impact carbs up to 25 or so a day, adn to totally cut carbs for 2 weeks! Just exercise and there will be no problem. Carbs are good, adn are essential if you want to perform to you maximum capacity. As said by the good man Shane S, carbs are not bad.
Nice sweeping generalizations there. Oh, and you're wrong.
Nice sweeping generalizations there. Oh, and you're wrong.
nenofury
02-09-2004, 12:35 PM
The "proper way to eat" for you is meant for you, and you only. Anyone looking to eat better and want to lose weight should see a few nutritionists, and then make a decision. Just like all of us here on these boards, nutritionists favor certain ways of eating also. Low carb may work for you, but it is Not for everyone. If you are an athlete or work out, you are going to need to have lots of carbs in your diet, it provides energy, which is VERY necessary.
All of the Drs. that make up these diets and not proving anything. If there were scientific proof that their specific diet is THE best for everyone, then there would be no reason for nutritionists/doctors to debate. And until then, the debate will go on.
I find it funny that no one has mentioned anything about exercise, when this, in combination with eating right, is really the only way to lose weight. Now that IS a fact.
Human beings evolved for two million years eating animals they killed and fruits/veggies/nuts/eggs they collected. Low carb is how are bodies are designed to digest and metabolize food. Farming wasn't even discovered until 10,000 years ago. And mass carb consumption is only 100 years old. Low carb works for every human, metabolically speaking. This is an evolutionary and physiological fact. Mentally, it is very difficult and that's how the nutritionist helps. They will get as many carbs into your diet as possible to keep you on track.
All of the Drs. that make up these diets and not proving anything. If there were scientific proof that their specific diet is THE best for everyone, then there would be no reason for nutritionists/doctors to debate. And until then, the debate will go on.
I find it funny that no one has mentioned anything about exercise, when this, in combination with eating right, is really the only way to lose weight. Now that IS a fact.
Human beings evolved for two million years eating animals they killed and fruits/veggies/nuts/eggs they collected. Low carb is how are bodies are designed to digest and metabolize food. Farming wasn't even discovered until 10,000 years ago. And mass carb consumption is only 100 years old. Low carb works for every human, metabolically speaking. This is an evolutionary and physiological fact. Mentally, it is very difficult and that's how the nutritionist helps. They will get as many carbs into your diet as possible to keep you on track.
Jaber
02-09-2004, 12:49 PM
Nenofury, Where are you getting this garbage that we all should be living on low carbs? Quit being partial and be a little open to other opinions. Carbs ARE NOT BAD, as a couple of other people have said. Since it is the diet of choice right now (only because of all the publicity it's getting), people are falling for it. Since when is it healthy to eat all the bacon you want (Atkins diet).
And you are certainly not an athlete because you tend to think that everyone can and should live on low carbs. How do you think one gets energy to do their workout? That's right, CARBS. They serve a purpose, and those of us who want to continue to work out need them, or we won't have the energy to continue. Congrats that it works for you, but your preaching isn't working.
And you are certainly not an athlete because you tend to think that everyone can and should live on low carbs. How do you think one gets energy to do their workout? That's right, CARBS. They serve a purpose, and those of us who want to continue to work out need them, or we won't have the energy to continue. Congrats that it works for you, but your preaching isn't working.
Shane S
02-09-2004, 07:09 PM
I didn't bring up exercise. I merely responded to the person who did.
Could one of you who is into the working out explain why so many of you are bent on spending your time bashing Atkins and other plans? Why are you not just satisfied to but forward any the benefits (presuming there are any) to your plan in a positive way rather than knocking what other people have found beneficial?
Anaerobic exercise, which is the best way to both build muscle (strength training) and burn fat (HIIT cardio, which burns 5 or 10 times more fat than normal cardio), is dependent largely upon carbs. All that leaves is aerobic exercise, which is okay, but not much more than that. That said, if people are on Atkins and feel better on it, more power to them. They know the risks, hopefully. Meanwhile, I'll continue to take 30g of 100+ GI carbs both pre and post-workout and still get leaner (and my hypoglycemia... it went away thanks to my current routine, something low carb never did for me). Unless someone can explain to me how to get down to single digit body fat percentage without carbs.
Could one of you who is into the working out explain why so many of you are bent on spending your time bashing Atkins and other plans? Why are you not just satisfied to but forward any the benefits (presuming there are any) to your plan in a positive way rather than knocking what other people have found beneficial?
Anaerobic exercise, which is the best way to both build muscle (strength training) and burn fat (HIIT cardio, which burns 5 or 10 times more fat than normal cardio), is dependent largely upon carbs. All that leaves is aerobic exercise, which is okay, but not much more than that. That said, if people are on Atkins and feel better on it, more power to them. They know the risks, hopefully. Meanwhile, I'll continue to take 30g of 100+ GI carbs both pre and post-workout and still get leaner (and my hypoglycemia... it went away thanks to my current routine, something low carb never did for me). Unless someone can explain to me how to get down to single digit body fat percentage without carbs.