miller01
03-08-2004, 06:12 PM
Can anyone tell me the signs for estrogen dominance?
I am 39 yo who has been dx'd with hypo thyroidism three years ago. I am wondering if they have me misdx'd for something else, or at least part of the total problem. My periods are "slimy" and I feel like total crap when I am on them. I have never had this problem. I have gone to gyn and he prescribed me provera, 20 mg a day, for 10 days. I haven't taken them because I don't want my hypo symptoms to worsen (depressed, anxious, fatigued, etc). I don't need that, who does?
Am I doing myself wrong not to take the Provera??? HELP!!!!
I have gone to alternative med doctor and he says not to take it. I am being tested for menopause: estriol and progesterone levels. I don't know results yet. But as I am having my period now I feel sooo bad.
I don't want to have regrets for not taking it....HELP!!!
Thanks!
I am 39 yo who has been dx'd with hypo thyroidism three years ago. I am wondering if they have me misdx'd for something else, or at least part of the total problem. My periods are "slimy" and I feel like total crap when I am on them. I have never had this problem. I have gone to gyn and he prescribed me provera, 20 mg a day, for 10 days. I haven't taken them because I don't want my hypo symptoms to worsen (depressed, anxious, fatigued, etc). I don't need that, who does?
Am I doing myself wrong not to take the Provera??? HELP!!!!
I have gone to alternative med doctor and he says not to take it. I am being tested for menopause: estriol and progesterone levels. I don't know results yet. But as I am having my period now I feel sooo bad.
I don't want to have regrets for not taking it....HELP!!!
Thanks!
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csoar2004
03-08-2004, 07:29 PM
Can anyone tell me the signs for estrogen dominance?
I am 39 yo who has been dx'd with hypo thyroidism three years ago. I am wondering if they have me misdx'd for something else, or at least part of the total problem. My periods are "slimy" and I feel like total crap when I am on them. I have never had this problem. I have gone to gyn and he prescribed me provera, 20 mg a day, for 10 days. I haven't taken them because I don't want my hypo symptoms to worsen (depressed, anxious, fatigued, etc). I don't need that, who does?
Am I doing myself wrong not to take the Provera??? HELP!!!!
I have gone to alternative med doctor and he says not to take it. I am being tested for menopause: estriol and progesterone levels. I don't know results yet. But as I am having my period now I feel sooo bad.
I don't want to have regrets for not taking it....HELP!!!
Thanks!The symptoms and conditions associated with estrogen dominance are:
Accelerated aging
Autoimmune disorders such as lupus
Breast tenderness
Confused thinking
Decreased sex drive
Depression
Fat gain, especially around the abdomen, hips and thighs
Fatigue
Fibrocystitis
Gallbladder disease
Headaches
Hypoglycemia
Increased blood clotting (increased risk of stroke)
Irritability/mood swings
Loss of bone density
Memory loss
Metabolism sluggish/slowed
Osteoporosis
PCOS
PMS
Thyroid dysfuntion much like hypothyroidism
Uterine fibroids & cancer
Water retention
Check out Dr. John Lee's books.
Good luck!
I am 39 yo who has been dx'd with hypo thyroidism three years ago. I am wondering if they have me misdx'd for something else, or at least part of the total problem. My periods are "slimy" and I feel like total crap when I am on them. I have never had this problem. I have gone to gyn and he prescribed me provera, 20 mg a day, for 10 days. I haven't taken them because I don't want my hypo symptoms to worsen (depressed, anxious, fatigued, etc). I don't need that, who does?
Am I doing myself wrong not to take the Provera??? HELP!!!!
I have gone to alternative med doctor and he says not to take it. I am being tested for menopause: estriol and progesterone levels. I don't know results yet. But as I am having my period now I feel sooo bad.
I don't want to have regrets for not taking it....HELP!!!
Thanks!The symptoms and conditions associated with estrogen dominance are:
Accelerated aging
Autoimmune disorders such as lupus
Breast tenderness
Confused thinking
Decreased sex drive
Depression
Fat gain, especially around the abdomen, hips and thighs
Fatigue
Fibrocystitis
Gallbladder disease
Headaches
Hypoglycemia
Increased blood clotting (increased risk of stroke)
Irritability/mood swings
Loss of bone density
Memory loss
Metabolism sluggish/slowed
Osteoporosis
PCOS
PMS
Thyroid dysfuntion much like hypothyroidism
Uterine fibroids & cancer
Water retention
Check out Dr. John Lee's books.
Good luck!
miller01
03-08-2004, 11:06 PM
And how is it dx'd, prevented and cured??? Thanks for your input!!!
I really appreciate it!!! SO SO MUCH!
I really appreciate it!!! SO SO MUCH!
csoar2004
03-09-2004, 12:53 AM
And how is it dx'd, prevented and cured??? Thanks for your input!!!
I really appreciate it!!! SO SO MUCH! Well, you need to reduce/eliminate estrogen/estrogen-mimic exposure (the stuff is in beef and other meat animals who are fed hormones/steroids...go organic!) Become informed...find out which plastics, soaps, pesticides, etc. are most common bioestrogens and start changing your environment.
Get a high quality progesterone cream (one with micronized progestin).
Surf for information, get Dr. Lee's books, and Nutrition books by Ann Louise Gittleman (Before the Change, SuperNutrition for Menopause, etc.). Educate yourself on the condition and on eating a diet not only free of bio & xeno-estrogens, but one that balances your hormones.
Good luck!
charli
203/146/146 and feeling just peachy!
I really appreciate it!!! SO SO MUCH! Well, you need to reduce/eliminate estrogen/estrogen-mimic exposure (the stuff is in beef and other meat animals who are fed hormones/steroids...go organic!) Become informed...find out which plastics, soaps, pesticides, etc. are most common bioestrogens and start changing your environment.
Get a high quality progesterone cream (one with micronized progestin).
Surf for information, get Dr. Lee's books, and Nutrition books by Ann Louise Gittleman (Before the Change, SuperNutrition for Menopause, etc.). Educate yourself on the condition and on eating a diet not only free of bio & xeno-estrogens, but one that balances your hormones.
Good luck!
charli
203/146/146 and feeling just peachy!
Belle2003
03-09-2004, 03:31 AM
So then you should not eat soy because it has phytoestrogen and would increase any estrogen dominance?
csoar2004
03-09-2004, 11:22 AM
So then you should not eat soy because it has phytoestrogen and would increase any estrogen dominance? Well, mostly because recent research suggests that there is a link between soy and breast cancer in some women.
Soy is in EVERYTHING from ice cream to salad dressing. In addition I'm going to quote a nationally recognized nutritionist, Ann Louise Gittleman: 1. Soy is an allergen to about 50% of my personal clients and nearly 30% of individuals nationwide.
2. Soy milk as well as other soy based products is a high source of the mineral copper which my testing has shown to be connected to chronic fatigue, hormonal irregularities, panic attacks and hair loss.
3. Soy can negatively affect thyroid function and the absorption of zinc and iron - a feature that has its plusses and minuses.
With regard to soy, in addition to what I write in the book, new research has surfaced regarding the connection between the genistein isoflavones it contains and proliferation of breast cancer in certain women. In addition, there are thyroid contraindications and mineral imbalances (especially with zinc) that can be triggered with excessive soy. And unless it's fermented (tofu, tempeh, soy sauce) it's not even a complete protein. So reducing soy in one's diet (unless it's fermented) is probably a good idea, estrogen dominance notwithstanding. (hooooooboy, I just KNOW I'm going to get slammed for saying that. :eek: :jester: ;) )
EDITED ON 3/16 TO CLARIFY: Phytoestrogens are certain plants which are not really estrogens but they bind to estrogen receptor sites. They also have the ability to block environmental estrogens known as xenoestrogens which have been on the increase for the past fifty years since World War II in the form of pesticides, plastics, and solvents. Phytoestrogens are useful in managing perimenopause (AND menopause) symptoms. According to Ann Louise Gittleman: Phytoestrogens are very helpful in controlling hot flashes and night sweats for example. Aside from natural progesterone, the most effective herbal therapy in reducing the frequency of hot flashes seems to be a standardized extract of red clover – an isoflavone or phytoestrogenic rich substance. A recent study presented at the annual meeting of The Endocrine Society in San Diego discussed how the intensity of night sweats and frequency of hot flashes were dramatically lessened nearly 100% with a 40 mg. isoflavone rich red clover supplement.
Soy is in EVERYTHING from ice cream to salad dressing. In addition I'm going to quote a nationally recognized nutritionist, Ann Louise Gittleman: 1. Soy is an allergen to about 50% of my personal clients and nearly 30% of individuals nationwide.
2. Soy milk as well as other soy based products is a high source of the mineral copper which my testing has shown to be connected to chronic fatigue, hormonal irregularities, panic attacks and hair loss.
3. Soy can negatively affect thyroid function and the absorption of zinc and iron - a feature that has its plusses and minuses.
With regard to soy, in addition to what I write in the book, new research has surfaced regarding the connection between the genistein isoflavones it contains and proliferation of breast cancer in certain women. In addition, there are thyroid contraindications and mineral imbalances (especially with zinc) that can be triggered with excessive soy. And unless it's fermented (tofu, tempeh, soy sauce) it's not even a complete protein. So reducing soy in one's diet (unless it's fermented) is probably a good idea, estrogen dominance notwithstanding. (hooooooboy, I just KNOW I'm going to get slammed for saying that. :eek: :jester: ;) )
EDITED ON 3/16 TO CLARIFY: Phytoestrogens are certain plants which are not really estrogens but they bind to estrogen receptor sites. They also have the ability to block environmental estrogens known as xenoestrogens which have been on the increase for the past fifty years since World War II in the form of pesticides, plastics, and solvents. Phytoestrogens are useful in managing perimenopause (AND menopause) symptoms. According to Ann Louise Gittleman: Phytoestrogens are very helpful in controlling hot flashes and night sweats for example. Aside from natural progesterone, the most effective herbal therapy in reducing the frequency of hot flashes seems to be a standardized extract of red clover – an isoflavone or phytoestrogenic rich substance. A recent study presented at the annual meeting of The Endocrine Society in San Diego discussed how the intensity of night sweats and frequency of hot flashes were dramatically lessened nearly 100% with a 40 mg. isoflavone rich red clover supplement.
Belle2003
03-10-2004, 08:24 PM
Excuse my confusion, but does that mean it is o.k. to eat tofu because it is fermented? Or is it best to skip all soy, fermented and unfermented, to help eliminate your estrogen dominance? My main concern is that I do not want to unknowingly add to my estrogen dominance, thus making my perimenopause symptoms worse.
Thank you for the sharing of your knowledge!
Thank you for the sharing of your knowledge!
csoar2004
03-10-2004, 08:34 PM
Excuse my confusion, but does that mean it is o.k. to eat tofu because it is fermented? Or is it best to skip all soy, fermented and unfermented, to help eliminate your estrogen dominance? My main concern is that I do not want to unknowingly add to my estrogen dominance, thus making my perimenopause symptoms worse.
Thank you for the sharing of your knowledge!Sorry I didn't make this clear. It's my understanding that eating tofu or tempeh a couple times/week is ok. Soy isoflavones were even recommended for some folks BECAUSE of it's phyto-estrogenic effects (helps balance hormones for some) the problem is the recent research that now links soy with breast cancer.
And how is it [estrogen dominance] dx'd a hormone test. Have you checked out Dr. Lee's site? Curing estrogen dominance is a matter of reducing your dietary/environmental exposure to xeno-estrogens while increasing your progesterone (through creams with micronized progestins OR through creams compounded by pharmacists. For the latter, you need a physician's prescription).
Hope this helps. ;) :)
Thank you for the sharing of your knowledge!Sorry I didn't make this clear. It's my understanding that eating tofu or tempeh a couple times/week is ok. Soy isoflavones were even recommended for some folks BECAUSE of it's phyto-estrogenic effects (helps balance hormones for some) the problem is the recent research that now links soy with breast cancer.
And how is it [estrogen dominance] dx'd a hormone test. Have you checked out Dr. Lee's site? Curing estrogen dominance is a matter of reducing your dietary/environmental exposure to xeno-estrogens while increasing your progesterone (through creams with micronized progestins OR through creams compounded by pharmacists. For the latter, you need a physician's prescription).
Hope this helps. ;) :)
miller01
03-11-2004, 10:52 PM
would that be progesterone, esteriol and estrogen testing?
What testing should be done?
Yes, I got the book from Dr. Lee and haven't been able to put it down!! Its me all over!!!
Thanks you!
What testing should be done?
Yes, I got the book from Dr. Lee and haven't been able to put it down!! Its me all over!!!
Thanks you!
csoar2004
03-12-2004, 11:28 AM
would that be progesterone, esteriol and estrogen testing?
What testing should be done?
Yes, I got the book from Dr. Lee and haven't been able to put it down!! Its me all over!!!
Thanks you!Yes, testing for those three (progesterone, estradiol, estriol) is important. You might also want to be tested for these: Testosterone, DHEA and Cortisol. I believe all 6 can be tested through a saliva test.
Belle said:My main concern is that I do not want to unknowingly add to my estrogen dominance, thus making my perimenopause symptoms worse. I don't know how much soy you normally eat and whether it would be easy for you to completely cut it out of your diet. I think it is a difficult proposition because soy is in everything from crackers to ice cream to salad dressing. Certainly, buying whole fresh foods (rather than the highly processed ones more likely to contain soy) is a good start. I've adopted the following rule: If I can make it in my kitchen, I do. That means I'm making my own salad dressings, frozen tofu "ice cream," my own crackers (home-made grahams...DELISH!), etc. I don't buy margarine or cereal (but I'm now a huge fan of steel-cut oatmeal cooked overnight in a crockpot with sliced apples, cinnamon, and some raisins. YUM!) or bread (make my own. :p ).
I take GLA (black currant seed oil) capsules and flax seed to help with menopausal symptoms (used them in peri-menopause, too. :) ) and I feel wonderful!
Honest, I haven't felt this good since my twenties. I have more energy, better skin, fewer aches and pains, better concentration, and am perky to the max.
I hafta thank Ann Louise Gittleman (for Before the Change and Fat Flush Plan) and Dr. John Lee (for What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About PreMenopause - boy, I'm gonna miss him!) for changing my life. These days, menopause ROCKS! :jester:
best wishes,
charli
highest weight: 233
203/146/146
What testing should be done?
Yes, I got the book from Dr. Lee and haven't been able to put it down!! Its me all over!!!
Thanks you!Yes, testing for those three (progesterone, estradiol, estriol) is important. You might also want to be tested for these: Testosterone, DHEA and Cortisol. I believe all 6 can be tested through a saliva test.
Belle said:My main concern is that I do not want to unknowingly add to my estrogen dominance, thus making my perimenopause symptoms worse. I don't know how much soy you normally eat and whether it would be easy for you to completely cut it out of your diet. I think it is a difficult proposition because soy is in everything from crackers to ice cream to salad dressing. Certainly, buying whole fresh foods (rather than the highly processed ones more likely to contain soy) is a good start. I've adopted the following rule: If I can make it in my kitchen, I do. That means I'm making my own salad dressings, frozen tofu "ice cream," my own crackers (home-made grahams...DELISH!), etc. I don't buy margarine or cereal (but I'm now a huge fan of steel-cut oatmeal cooked overnight in a crockpot with sliced apples, cinnamon, and some raisins. YUM!) or bread (make my own. :p ).
I take GLA (black currant seed oil) capsules and flax seed to help with menopausal symptoms (used them in peri-menopause, too. :) ) and I feel wonderful!
Honest, I haven't felt this good since my twenties. I have more energy, better skin, fewer aches and pains, better concentration, and am perky to the max.
I hafta thank Ann Louise Gittleman (for Before the Change and Fat Flush Plan) and Dr. John Lee (for What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About PreMenopause - boy, I'm gonna miss him!) for changing my life. These days, menopause ROCKS! :jester:
best wishes,
charli
highest weight: 233
203/146/146
miller01
03-12-2004, 12:03 PM
I hafta thank Ann Louise Gittleman (for Before the Change and Fat Flush Plan) and Dr. John Lee (for What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About PreMenopause - boy, I'm gonna miss him!) for changing my life. These days, menopause ROCKS! :jester:
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What do you mean...you're going to miss him? (Dr. Lee)
csoar2004
03-12-2004, 06:18 PM
What do you mean...you're going to miss him? (Dr. Lee) Dr. Lee died last year. :(
miller01
03-12-2004, 09:43 PM
Dr. Lee died last year. :(
OMG! How did he die? How old was he?
OMG! How did he die? How old was he?
csoar2004
03-13-2004, 12:04 AM
OMG! How did he die? How old was he?Dr. Lee died unexpectedly of a heart attack on October 17, 2003. He was 74.
Belle2003
03-13-2004, 01:21 AM
Thank you csoar for all of your knowledgeable tips. I went and got Dr. Lee's book today. I am only on page 44. I can see that I have a lot to learn.
I cook dinner at home every night of the week too, but I do use processed foods (rice a roni, etc). I don't know what I would do without my morning cereal. Did you learn all of your cooking information from Gittleman's Fat book, or Dr Lee's?
I am so glad to hear that you are feeling better than you did in your twenties. You are an inspiration. It would be so nice to have the energy that my daughters have.
I cook dinner at home every night of the week too, but I do use processed foods (rice a roni, etc). I don't know what I would do without my morning cereal. Did you learn all of your cooking information from Gittleman's Fat book, or Dr Lee's?
I am so glad to hear that you are feeling better than you did in your twenties. You are an inspiration. It would be so nice to have the energy that my daughters have.
csoar2004
03-13-2004, 02:42 PM
Thank you csoar for all of your knowledgeable tips. I went and got Dr. Lee's book today. I am only on page 44. I can see that I have a lot to learn.
I cook dinner at home every night of the week too, but I do use processed foods (rice a roni, etc). I don't know what I would do without my morning cereal. Did you learn all of your cooking information from Gittleman's Fat book, or Dr Lee's?
I am so glad to hear that you are feeling better than you did in your twenties. You are an inspiration. It would be so nice to have the energy that my daughters have.I'm glad I can help. :D
I've learned a lot about nutrition from two of Gittleman's books (among her many books, she's written one on perimenopause and one on menopause) and also Dr. Lee's. They actually respected each other's work and often refer to each other in reference sections.
Gittleman's menopause book is in revision and due out this fall/winter. I recommend it highly (you can still buy the current version, but wait...it'll be worth it). ;)
Here's what you do for breakfast instead of cereal: Have a protein smoothie!
1 cup frozen fruit (I like to use triple berry)
1 scoop whey protein (try Designer Whey French vanilla :p )
1 cup water
1 Tbsp high lignan flax seed oil (always keep it refrigerated!)
dash of cinnamon
1/4 tsp. Stevia (it's a sweetener that does NOT stimulate an insulin response)
Put everything in blender and blend for 1-2 minutes. By VOLUME, it makes almost 4 cups!! Very filling and very tasty. The flax seed oil (a peri-zapper!) helps satisfy your appetite triggers AND it's full of lovely omegas (not to mention helps with perimenopause and menopausal symtoms :D )
The problem with cereal is that it stimulates a carb crash and burn cycle: eat cereal, crave cereal, eat more, crave more. And if you're eating the stuff advertised on TV, truly you are getting empty calories with very little useful nutrition (and usually, if you look at the nutrition label, it's the milk that's adding what little you DO get.) :eek: This is often why you are hungry within an hour of having breakfast. :(
Do a search on peri-zappers. You'll find lotsa lovely info. :jester:
best wishes,
charli
highest wt: 233
203/146/146 <--perky to the max!
age: 50 (menopause is divine!) :bouncing:
I cook dinner at home every night of the week too, but I do use processed foods (rice a roni, etc). I don't know what I would do without my morning cereal. Did you learn all of your cooking information from Gittleman's Fat book, or Dr Lee's?
I am so glad to hear that you are feeling better than you did in your twenties. You are an inspiration. It would be so nice to have the energy that my daughters have.I'm glad I can help. :D
I've learned a lot about nutrition from two of Gittleman's books (among her many books, she's written one on perimenopause and one on menopause) and also Dr. Lee's. They actually respected each other's work and often refer to each other in reference sections.
Gittleman's menopause book is in revision and due out this fall/winter. I recommend it highly (you can still buy the current version, but wait...it'll be worth it). ;)
Here's what you do for breakfast instead of cereal: Have a protein smoothie!
1 cup frozen fruit (I like to use triple berry)
1 scoop whey protein (try Designer Whey French vanilla :p )
1 cup water
1 Tbsp high lignan flax seed oil (always keep it refrigerated!)
dash of cinnamon
1/4 tsp. Stevia (it's a sweetener that does NOT stimulate an insulin response)
Put everything in blender and blend for 1-2 minutes. By VOLUME, it makes almost 4 cups!! Very filling and very tasty. The flax seed oil (a peri-zapper!) helps satisfy your appetite triggers AND it's full of lovely omegas (not to mention helps with perimenopause and menopausal symtoms :D )
The problem with cereal is that it stimulates a carb crash and burn cycle: eat cereal, crave cereal, eat more, crave more. And if you're eating the stuff advertised on TV, truly you are getting empty calories with very little useful nutrition (and usually, if you look at the nutrition label, it's the milk that's adding what little you DO get.) :eek: This is often why you are hungry within an hour of having breakfast. :(
Do a search on peri-zappers. You'll find lotsa lovely info. :jester:
best wishes,
charli
highest wt: 233
203/146/146 <--perky to the max!
age: 50 (menopause is divine!) :bouncing:
miller01
03-13-2004, 04:38 PM
Now, did you use natural progesterone cream on the advice of your doctor, or did you try on your own? What happens if you do use it and you don't really need it? If I read in Dr. Lee's book right, nothing would happen, except for maybe headaches.
I am going to ND on the 26th. I am going to ask about prog cream, since this is the visit where I will get results from my progesterone and esteroil blood tests. But then again, if they come back "normal" I want to check into saliva testing. But I will need a doc to read the results, right? Maybe ND can do that, who knows.
I don't have all the symptoms, but I do have most of them of estrogen dominance. My thyroid is underactive and autoimmune, is the big one. Been on thryoid hormone for three years and still don't feel 100 percent better, not even 80 percent. I really think SOMETHING else is going on in my body. Not to mention the stress I get at home!! That might not ever go away... (hubby in mid-life and stuck on himself)
Thanks!
I am going to ND on the 26th. I am going to ask about prog cream, since this is the visit where I will get results from my progesterone and esteroil blood tests. But then again, if they come back "normal" I want to check into saliva testing. But I will need a doc to read the results, right? Maybe ND can do that, who knows.
I don't have all the symptoms, but I do have most of them of estrogen dominance. My thyroid is underactive and autoimmune, is the big one. Been on thryoid hormone for three years and still don't feel 100 percent better, not even 80 percent. I really think SOMETHING else is going on in my body. Not to mention the stress I get at home!! That might not ever go away... (hubby in mid-life and stuck on himself)
Thanks!
csoar2004
03-14-2004, 01:34 AM
Now, did you use natural progesterone cream on the advice of your doctor, or did you try on your own? What happens if you do use it and you don't really need it? If I read in Dr. Lee's book right, nothing would happen, except for maybe headaches.After doing some research and reading, I decided on my own to try the progesterone cream to see if it helped.
It did! :D Keep in mind, I started the cream for menopausal symptoms and not for estrogen dominance reasons. Seems to me you'll know in a week or so if it doesn't help with your symptoms. (The headache thing is my understanding, too - of using the cream when you don't need it.)
I'm sure a ND can help with this! Make sure, if you get progesterone cream, that it has micronized progesterone (if it doesn't, then the progesterone in the cream will not do you any good because your body won't be able to use it).
re: hubby in midlife crisis... :eek: Mebbe you could negotiate an agreement - YOU get to be in crisis on even days and HE gets to be in crisis on odd days and on SUNDAYS, you both relax. :jester:
Find a reason to laugh - life's too short to spend it any other way! ;)
It did! :D Keep in mind, I started the cream for menopausal symptoms and not for estrogen dominance reasons. Seems to me you'll know in a week or so if it doesn't help with your symptoms. (The headache thing is my understanding, too - of using the cream when you don't need it.)
I'm sure a ND can help with this! Make sure, if you get progesterone cream, that it has micronized progesterone (if it doesn't, then the progesterone in the cream will not do you any good because your body won't be able to use it).
re: hubby in midlife crisis... :eek: Mebbe you could negotiate an agreement - YOU get to be in crisis on even days and HE gets to be in crisis on odd days and on SUNDAYS, you both relax. :jester:
Find a reason to laugh - life's too short to spend it any other way! ;)
Belle2003
03-14-2004, 03:47 AM
Thank you for the smoothie recipe. I eat bran flakes every morning for the fiber. No raisin bran, just bran flakes. Do you have any fiber smoothies? haha
I feel like I have so much learning to do that I will be reading forever!
Thank you again for all of your help!
I feel like I have so much learning to do that I will be reading forever!
Thank you again for all of your help!
miller01
03-14-2004, 12:31 PM
csoar, you are too funny! That is a great idea. I guess we could agree upon that if either one of us goes into crisis on the other's crisis day, then the other person gets an additional day to be in crisis! LOL
I don't have all the menopausal symptoms..yet. No hot flashes at least. But I do have a couple of them, and LOTS of the estrogen dominance symptoms. What to do, what to do....Experiment is the key along with lots of knowledge...on my journey.
Thanks for the laugh!
I don't have all the menopausal symptoms..yet. No hot flashes at least. But I do have a couple of them, and LOTS of the estrogen dominance symptoms. What to do, what to do....Experiment is the key along with lots of knowledge...on my journey.
Thanks for the laugh!
csoar2004
03-14-2004, 12:49 PM
Thank you for the smoothie recipe. I eat bran flakes every morning for the fiber. No raisin bran, just bran flakes. Do you have any fiber smoothies? haha Actually, if you add a tablespoon of ground flax seed to the smoothie, you get EXCELLENT fiber AND more omegas!! :p I feel like I have so much learning to do that I will be reading forever! Thank you again for all of your help!Hey, nothing wrong with reading (I subscribe to the theory that a day without learning something new is a day wasted) :D
PennyD
03-14-2004, 03:28 PM
you get excellent fiber and no more omegas!!! OK Csoar, here is my dumb question, please explain what you mean by "omegas". Thanks for indulging my denseness! :) You have lots of knowledge, I have just started this journey and it has been a very bumpy road!!
Penny
Penny
csoar2004
03-14-2004, 04:15 PM
OK Csoar, here is my dumb question, please explain what you mean by "omegas". Thanks for indulging my denseness! :) You have lots of knowledge, I have just started this journey and it has been a very bumpy road!! Penny There's no such thing as a dumb question but I feel for ya, Penny! I think this is the best explanation of omegas:The Skinny on Fats
For decades, Americans have been told to avoid eating fat. And what is the result? People across this country have become heavier than ever. Over half the adults in the U.S. are overweight! So, maybe it's time for a little "refresher course" on fats so that you understand how eating fat can make you thin!
First of all, keep in mind that all fatty acids are classified by the type and number of hydrogen bonds in their chemical structure. The three classifications are saturated, monounsaturated and polyunsaturated. All fats are a blend of these three types, but one type predominates, giving the fat its status as a saturate, monounsaturate or polyunsaturate.
Saturated fats are the current "bad guys" in the American diet because they have been connected with high cholesterol and hardening of the arteries. The real problem is that they are often eaten in excess. Saturated fats are found in full-fat dairy products, tropical vegetable oils and many of the baked goods on the market. The good news is that meat is healthier than previously believed. A study in the New England Journal of Medicine suggests that the stearic acid component in beef fat may be helpful in lowering cholesterol. So, to keep your heart healthy, simply choose lean cuts of red meat, such as the tip or eye of the round and top round, which rate close to chicken in levels of fat and calories but contain more minerals.
Monounsaturated fats are liquid at room temperature and contain Omega-9 fatty acids. Included in this group of fats are canola oil, safflower oil, olives, avocados, and many nuts, including almonds, cashews, and peanuts. Monounsaturated fats have been found to reduce the risk of heart disease.
There are two groups of polyunsaturated fatty acids that are essential for the regulation of every function in the human body. The primary polyunsaturated fatty acid is Omega-6, also known as linoleic acid. The second main fatty acid is the Omega-3, also called linolenic acid. These two essential fatty acids are found naturally in Omega 3-rich flax oil and cold-water fish (such as salmon, tuna and cod) and unprocessed Omega 6-rich oils (such as borage, evening primrose, black currant seed oil). Both groups must be provided by the diet because the body cannot produce them itself. Yet, an estimated 80% of Americans eat a diet deficient in these essential fatty acids.
How do essential fatty acids help us lose weight? Omega-3 fats raise your metabolism, help flush water from your kidneys and help your body burn fat better. Omega-6 fats stimulate your thyroid and activate your brown adipose tissue to burn fat rather than storing it in your white adipose tissue. Got it? Omega 3 & 6 are essential and most of us don't get enough. :(Ever wonder why you're in a brain fog? 60% of the brain is fat!! If you're not feeding it ---remember that old saying, 'fish is brain food' ? well it's CORRECT! Full of lovely omega fatty acids that your brain needs! So make sure to add flax seed and flax seed oil (but ya can't cook with flax seed oil!!), and some salmon to your diet. :p
best wishes!
charli
203/146/146
age: 50 menopausal and lovin' it!
For decades, Americans have been told to avoid eating fat. And what is the result? People across this country have become heavier than ever. Over half the adults in the U.S. are overweight! So, maybe it's time for a little "refresher course" on fats so that you understand how eating fat can make you thin!
First of all, keep in mind that all fatty acids are classified by the type and number of hydrogen bonds in their chemical structure. The three classifications are saturated, monounsaturated and polyunsaturated. All fats are a blend of these three types, but one type predominates, giving the fat its status as a saturate, monounsaturate or polyunsaturate.
Saturated fats are the current "bad guys" in the American diet because they have been connected with high cholesterol and hardening of the arteries. The real problem is that they are often eaten in excess. Saturated fats are found in full-fat dairy products, tropical vegetable oils and many of the baked goods on the market. The good news is that meat is healthier than previously believed. A study in the New England Journal of Medicine suggests that the stearic acid component in beef fat may be helpful in lowering cholesterol. So, to keep your heart healthy, simply choose lean cuts of red meat, such as the tip or eye of the round and top round, which rate close to chicken in levels of fat and calories but contain more minerals.
Monounsaturated fats are liquid at room temperature and contain Omega-9 fatty acids. Included in this group of fats are canola oil, safflower oil, olives, avocados, and many nuts, including almonds, cashews, and peanuts. Monounsaturated fats have been found to reduce the risk of heart disease.
There are two groups of polyunsaturated fatty acids that are essential for the regulation of every function in the human body. The primary polyunsaturated fatty acid is Omega-6, also known as linoleic acid. The second main fatty acid is the Omega-3, also called linolenic acid. These two essential fatty acids are found naturally in Omega 3-rich flax oil and cold-water fish (such as salmon, tuna and cod) and unprocessed Omega 6-rich oils (such as borage, evening primrose, black currant seed oil). Both groups must be provided by the diet because the body cannot produce them itself. Yet, an estimated 80% of Americans eat a diet deficient in these essential fatty acids.
How do essential fatty acids help us lose weight? Omega-3 fats raise your metabolism, help flush water from your kidneys and help your body burn fat better. Omega-6 fats stimulate your thyroid and activate your brown adipose tissue to burn fat rather than storing it in your white adipose tissue. Got it? Omega 3 & 6 are essential and most of us don't get enough. :(Ever wonder why you're in a brain fog? 60% of the brain is fat!! If you're not feeding it ---remember that old saying, 'fish is brain food' ? well it's CORRECT! Full of lovely omega fatty acids that your brain needs! So make sure to add flax seed and flax seed oil (but ya can't cook with flax seed oil!!), and some salmon to your diet. :p
best wishes!
charli
203/146/146
age: 50 menopausal and lovin' it!
PennyD
03-14-2004, 08:46 PM
There's no such thing as a dumb question but I feel for ya, Penny! I think this is the best explanation of omegas: Got it? Omega 3 & 6 are essential and most of us don't get enough. :(Ever wonder why you're in a brain fog? 60% of the brain is fat!! If you're not feeding it ---remember that old saying, 'fish is brain food' ? well it's CORRECT! Full of lovely omega fatty acids that your brain needs! So make sure to add flax seed and flax seed oil (but ya can't cook with flax seed oil!!), and some salmon to your diet. :p
best wishes!
charli
203/146/146
age: 50 menopausal and lovin' it!Thanks for the answer. Yes I totally understand now and I have read about the Omega 3 & 6 just did not make the connection. It is that brain fog you know! ;) I got the book you recomended, The Change Before The Change, and I am reading it. I am sure I will come to that chapter on omegas soon. My "Symptom of the Day" is left breast pain. I am on 100 ml of natural progesterone cream and 50 ml of natural progesterone in sublingual form. These are from a compunding pharmacy perscribed by my ob/gyn/endo. I am wondering since my left breast has swollen every cycle when I start the progesterone if it has something to do with the pain? Got any ideas? You are very knowledgeable on peri and meno. Thanks for taking time to share it with us. :angel:
Penny
best wishes!
charli
203/146/146
age: 50 menopausal and lovin' it!Thanks for the answer. Yes I totally understand now and I have read about the Omega 3 & 6 just did not make the connection. It is that brain fog you know! ;) I got the book you recomended, The Change Before The Change, and I am reading it. I am sure I will come to that chapter on omegas soon. My "Symptom of the Day" is left breast pain. I am on 100 ml of natural progesterone cream and 50 ml of natural progesterone in sublingual form. These are from a compunding pharmacy perscribed by my ob/gyn/endo. I am wondering since my left breast has swollen every cycle when I start the progesterone if it has something to do with the pain? Got any ideas? You are very knowledgeable on peri and meno. Thanks for taking time to share it with us. :angel:
Penny
csoar2004
03-14-2004, 10:30 PM
Thanks for the answer. Yes I totally understand now and I have read about the Omega 3 & 6 just did not make the connection. It is that brain fog you know! ;) I got the book you recomended, Before The Change, and I am reading it. I am sure I will come to that chapter on omegas soon. My "Symptom of the Day" is left breast pain. I am on 100 ml of natural progesterone cream and 50 ml of natural progesterone in sublingual form. These are from a compunding pharmacy perscribed by my ob/gyn/endo. I am wondering since my left breast has swollen every cycle when I start the progesterone if it has something to do with the pain? Got any ideas? You are very knowledgeable on peri and meno. Thanks for taking time to share it with us. :angel: Penny I'm doubtful about the progesterone causing the breast pain. From what I have read, cyclical breast pain is often due to deficient amounts of GLA (those pesky omegas again :p ). I'd recommend that you find some Evening Primrose Oil (which is a rich source of GLA) and start taking a daily dose of AT LEAST 400mg. CAUTION! read the label carefully, for it might say something like "200mg Evening Primrose Oil" but will in actuality have only about 50mg of GLA, so you'd hafta take 8 of em :eek: to get 400mg. Here's an example of the kind of info I found on this type of breast pain: The exact cause of cyclical breast pain is not known. The latest research suggests that it may be a result of extremely low levels of an essential fatty acid called gamolenic acid (GLA). It can also be associated with starting to take the contraceptive pill, and with certain anti-depressant drugs and herbal remedies. However, you can bring the breast symptoms up the next time you speak with your gyn to get their take on it. :D
best wishes,
charli
203/146/146
age: 50, menopausal and rockin'!
best wishes,
charli
203/146/146
age: 50, menopausal and rockin'!
PennyD
03-14-2004, 10:45 PM
I'm doubtful about the progesterone causing the breast pain. From what I have read, cyclical breast pain is often due to deficient amounts of GLA (those pesky omegas again :p ). I'd recommend that you find some Evening Primrose Oil (which is a rich source of GLA) and start taking a daily dose of AT LEAST 400mg. CAUTION! read the label carefully, for it might say something like "200mg Evening Primrose Oil" but will in actuality have only about 50mg of GLA, so you'd hafta take 8 of em :eek: to get 400mg. Here's an example of the kind of info I found on this type of breast pain: However, you can bring the breast symptoms up the next time you speak with your gyn to get their take on it. :D
best wishes,
charli
203/146/146
age: 50, menopausal and rockin'!Thanks Charli. I will check into that. I have started taking the anti-depressant Paxil CR for anxiety. This is my 23rd pill today. Your insert mentioned the anti-depressants. I am calling my gyn/endo tomorrow. I have read alot like Dr. Lee's book and articles and searched the internet since I started having anxiety/panic attacks back in August 2003. I noticed the attacks were cyclic so I explored the hormone imbalance/peri meno aspect of it. Thanks you for the reply. I am currently taking B-Complex 150 and Magnesium.
Penny
best wishes,
charli
203/146/146
age: 50, menopausal and rockin'!Thanks Charli. I will check into that. I have started taking the anti-depressant Paxil CR for anxiety. This is my 23rd pill today. Your insert mentioned the anti-depressants. I am calling my gyn/endo tomorrow. I have read alot like Dr. Lee's book and articles and searched the internet since I started having anxiety/panic attacks back in August 2003. I noticed the attacks were cyclic so I explored the hormone imbalance/peri meno aspect of it. Thanks you for the reply. I am currently taking B-Complex 150 and Magnesium.
Penny
csoar2004
03-16-2004, 10:28 AM
since I started having anxiety/panic attacks back in August 2003. I noticed the attacks were cyclic so I explored the hormone imbalance/peri meno aspect of it. Thanks you for the reply. I am currently taking B-Complex 150 and Magnesium. Penny, cyclic anxiety CAN be a perimenopausal symptom. According to Ann Louise: Evening Primrose Oil helps in relieving breast tenderness, mood swings, anxiety, irritability, headaches and water retention.
— Recommended dosage: Two weeks prior to the start of your period, take 1,000 mg a day - half in the morning, half at night - after food. Hope this helps! ;)
— Recommended dosage: Two weeks prior to the start of your period, take 1,000 mg a day - half in the morning, half at night - after food. Hope this helps! ;)
PennyD
03-16-2004, 01:22 PM
Penny, cyclic anxiety CAN be a perimenopausal symptom. According to Ann Louise: Hope this helps! ;)Thanks Csoar. I will try that. The past two days I have had breast pain in my left breast. When I started on the natural progesterone my left breast was so swollen I could hardly believe it. My right breast did nothing. This is my 3rd cycle of the cream and under the tongue pill. The endo increased the dosage this time. The 50 ml pill every night and 100ml cream days 14 until I start again. I am wondering if the dosage is too high and that is causing the breast pain. I have never had breast pain before. What is your take on this?
Thanks :wave:
Penny
Thanks :wave:
Penny
csoar2004
03-16-2004, 01:47 PM
This is my 3rd cycle of the cream and under the tongue pill. The endo increased the dosage this time. The 50 ml pill every night and 100ml cream days 14 until I start again. I am wondering if the dosage is too high and that is causing the breast pain. I have never had breast pain before. What is your take on this? As I said, I think the culprit is deficient GLA in your diet and that taking Evening Primrose Oil will help. If you try the EPO without relief, you can certainly opt to reduce your progesterone dosage to see what happens.
What I would NOT do is both at once (start EPO AND reduce progesterone) because then you wouldn't know which one actually helped. ;)
What I would NOT do is both at once (start EPO AND reduce progesterone) because then you wouldn't know which one actually helped. ;)
PennyD
03-16-2004, 06:05 PM
As I said, I think the culprit is deficient GLA in your diet and that taking Evening Primrose Oil will help. If you try the EPO without relief, you can certainly opt to reduce your progesterone dosage to see what happens.
What I would NOT do is both at once (start EPO AND reduce progesterone) because then you wouldn't know which one actually helped. ;)Thank you I will get some EPO ASAP. My natural progesterone is prescription strength, many many times more potent than the one I ordered online at first. That is why I am beginning to suspect the dosage is too high, even though it is prescribed by my endo. Thanks for the reply, I love to read your post you say funny things. :D
Penny
What I would NOT do is both at once (start EPO AND reduce progesterone) because then you wouldn't know which one actually helped. ;)Thank you I will get some EPO ASAP. My natural progesterone is prescription strength, many many times more potent than the one I ordered online at first. That is why I am beginning to suspect the dosage is too high, even though it is prescribed by my endo. Thanks for the reply, I love to read your post you say funny things. :D
Penny