Hello. A couple years ago i stopped having a period, maybe a very light one every 6 months or so, a couple weeks ago i began what i thought was spotting but it's been everyday now & it seems unusual to me, am i for lack of a better word..bleeding out? or is there a problem.
I can't just go to a doctor & see if there is a problem cuz i don't have insurance, or the money to afford that luxury, can someone maybe help to answer my question. Thank You.
sharon

Hello. A couple years ago i stopped having a period, maybe a very light one every 6 months or so, a couple weeks ago i began what i thought was spotting but it's been everyday now & it seems unusual to me, am i for lack of a better word..bleeding out? or is there a problem.
I can't just go to a doctor & see if there is a problem cuz i don't have insurance, or the money to afford that luxury, can someone maybe help to answer my question. Thank You. sharon Bleeding vaginally again after a lengthy time of no menstrual flow can be an indication of serious conditions (endometrial problems) or benign (polyps). We cannot diagnose you here, :nono: you REALLY need to see a medical provider.
Call up your nearest Planned Parenthood (YES! Most of them DO see older women and those in menopause) where you can receive low cost or free services. ;)
You might also look for a community clinic (look under clinics in the yellow pages), who also exist to serve the low income and uninsured.

Please get this checked out right away, because waiting may make it ultimately MORE expensive.

Good luck!

charli
highest wt: 233
203/146/146 on Fat Flush Plan for life
age: 50, in menopause and lovin' it :bouncing: :bouncing:

Charli..Thanks for the heads up..but i have'nt a clue what endometrial is? so i'll look it up on the internet & do a little research of it's cause's & effect's, but to be completely honest i'll be 50 in august & i've never had an illness other than the common cold, or flu. I understand it's better to be safe than sorry, but would i need to get a blood test or something to know of this condition for sure? cuz i'm a big coward when it come's to the medical field & more often than not i tend to stick my head in the sand unfortunately.
Sincerely.
sharon

Charli..Thanks for the heads up..but i have'nt a clue what endometrial is? so i'll look it up on the internet & do a little research of it's cause's & effect's, but to be completely honest i'll be 50 in august & i've never had an illness other than the common cold, or flu. I understand it's better to be safe than sorry, but would i need to get a blood test or something to know of this condition for sure? cuz i'm a big coward when it come's to the medical field & more often than not i tend to stick my head in the sand unfortunately. Sincerely. sharon Hi Sharon-
The endometrium is the layer of tissue that lines the uterus. Given your age and the fact that you're menopausal (no more periods), the concern is that you may have developed something called endometrial hyperplasia (pre cursor to uterine cancer) Endometrial hyperplasia is an increase in the number of cells in the lining of the uterus. It is not cancer. Sometimes it develops into cancer. Heavy menstrual periods, bleeding between periods, and bleeding after menopause are common symptoms of hyperplasia. It is most common after age 40. This is a worst case scenario because you may have nothing more than a benign polyp. You could stick your head in the sand and promise yourself that, as an essentially healthy person cancer can't happen to you, but delaying treatment can prove catastrophic. And believe me...if it IS endometrial hyperplasia, the cost of dealing with it goes up with time and disease progression. Check out this NIH info site: http://www.nci.nih.gov/cancerinfo/wyntk/uterus
And be honest with yourself - wouldn't you feel better knowing for sure whether the problem is caused by a benign polyp vs pre-cancerous changes of the uterine lining? :eek:
I sure would!!
And no, it's not checked with a blood draw, but by an exam similar to pap smear. Again, for your peace of mind and future health, I urge you to get this evaluated ASAP.

best wishes,
charli

Hello, I just had to respond. Normally I post on another board, but lately my 'health issues' have begun to spread to here.

I am soon 54, been menopause (no period) for 3 years, so consider myself well through it. Last week, I began what I could only call a massive period, complete with pre menstrual severe cramps tender (very tender breasts) more than I have ever had in my whole life. This tenderness, plus not normal for me low back pain) began 2 full weeks prior to the bleeding. It came as a shock. To tell the truth, I am not on HRT (I am hypothyroid, been on meds for that for 7 years thereabouts) I went through the usual menopausal things, but nothing I could not handle. Till now.

about 5 years ago, I was discovered to have a 'common uterine fibroid' and a cyst on the right ovary. which has caused no problems to me at all up to last week. Went to the doctor immed as post menopausal bleeding is not something to 'write off' and sure enough this coming Thursday I have to go in for pelvic ultra sound with a vag probe. Now this is scaring me to death (not only the possible problem, but the darn old test too!!!) My doctor wrote something that looks like Post-menopausal bleeding ? endometrial thickness (dunno what that means)

But I guess what I am saying, is if you experience anything like bleeding after you have been minus periods for say 12 months (here in Canada it is 12 months) then get yourself right off to the doctor. Charli is correct on this...it is not something to play around with by no means.

I hope it is nothing, but somehow I do not think so. In the 3 years that have passed I have quite forgotten what colour the blood should be for "normal periods' this was very bright coloured which made me take notice.

Thanks for any input, if you can offer advice go ahead, I will appreciate it.

Bonbe

Hi Charli & bonbe..I did a little reading on the subject & i understand that nobody is bullet proof but under the circumstances i may be an exception to the rule..let me explain it to you.
I've have a normal period..or what i consider to be a normal period as far back as i can remember..light to medium flow & three days from start to finish with little to no cramping, i guess compaired to most of my friends i must consider myself lucky & as i said before never any medical problems my entire life..knock on wood. What i feel separates me from the rest of having no female problems is the fact that i've never been with a man...yes it's true but that is a whole different story..lol.
As i've read up on the subject of endometrial it does talk about cramping or some sort of pain also, i have none of that what so ever, that why i thought i was just bleeding out so to speak, cuz i've just experience a light spotting kinda of bleeding but consistantly the last couple weeks.
I do agree with you ..it could be something.. or it could also be nothing to really lose sleep over, but what i've explained to you is the reason why i've not worried so much about this, i also thought thru all the years of having a period it could be remnants of blood just breaking loose & dropping down, cuz i've never really douched either...maybe twice my entire life.
Anyway that's my story so let me know what you think cuz i do appreciate your advise & knowledge. As Always.
sharon

well that sure is an interesting concept on periods. Yes it is the 'sloughing' off of uneeded tissue (from a non pregnancy state) that comes away from the uterine wall and comes away from our bodies. But when menopause hits, all egg production comes to a standstill, there fore no 'shedding of the lining' which is normally for the preparation to house a baby. If you have had no period in (some doctors say 6 months others say 12 months) in my case it is 3 years, and it matters not that I have had two children.... then it is something to be concerned about. Too many women throughout history have 'just shrugged it off' as one of those things...I easily could be one of those women as well, but I know it is not right.

While I can appreciate your financial concerns, I am not familiar with the health system outside of our own country, I would def err on the cautious side.

Just be careful Sharon as you know deep down your body is indeed changing as it does for all of us as we age. Rats on aging!!!! When it was found I had a fibroid (not a threat) I had no cramping just a strange period and I had not yet finished menopause, was still having sporadic periods. Your situation could well be the ceasing of your menses..... keep a close watch and do keep us posted here on this board.

Bonnie

What i feel separates me from the rest of having no female problems is the fact that i've never been with a man...yes it's true but that is a whole different story..lol. Um...not sure what you've been reading, Sharon, but heterosexual activity is NOT a risk factor for endometrial hyperplasia. Check this out:Who Is at Risk?
Endometrial hyperplasia is more likely to occur in certain women. Those most at risk are women who:

Are in the years around menopause
Skip menstrual periods or have no periods at all
Are overweight
Have diabetes
Have polycystic ovary syndrome
Take estrogen without progesterone to replace the estrogen their body is no longer making and to relieve symptoms of menopause

The most common symptom of hyperplasia is abnormal vaginal bleeding. As i've read up on the subject of endometrial it does talk about cramping or some sort of pain also, i have none of that what so ever, that why i thought i was just bleeding out so to speak, cuz i've just experience a light spotting kinda of bleeding but consistantly the last couple weeks. Cramping can be a symptom of endometrial problems, but it doesn't hafta be present for endometrial problems to exist. ..I also thought thru all the years of having a period it could be remnants of blood just breaking loose & dropping down, cuz i've never really douched either...maybe twice my entire life. :eek: The female body is very efficient at cleaning out the uterus on a monthly basis during our reproductive years. If you are healthy and without physical deformations that might hamper it, your uterine lining is COMPLETELY flushed once a month during your period. Once you stop having periods due to menopause, the endometrium stops building up the 'baby bed' and the ovaries stop placing eggs in position and your hormone levels change. There ARE no remnants of lining or blood clots left to 'bleed out.'
And douching (if I may step on my soapbox) is a really BAD idea because it generally serves to disturb the normal flora of the vagina. Further, douching does NOT touch the uterus (because a healthy os - opening into the uterus from vagina - is closed). Women who douche, in fact, run the risk of forcing douche into the uterus which can cause all kinds of problems, not the least of which is uterine infection. :nono:
The key factors are these: You are middle aged, you have had no periods for 6 months or longer, you are now experiencing vaginal bleeding of unknown etiology.
Your reasoning regarding your own risk (no history of vaginal penetration during sex and no cramping) is flawed, IMHO. And your view of menstrual periods over time, leaving behind something that can now be 'bleeding out' is...incorrect. ;)
Again, I want to reiterate that this bleeding may be due to a benign condition such as fibroids or polyps. But because it may also be due to endometrial hyperplasia (which you ARE at risk for, based on age and menopause), I do urge you to make an appointment for evaluation. (If cost is an issue, call the nearest Planned Parenthood clinic, but follow it up, please.)

I wish you all the best,
charli

I just had a D&C, hysteroscopy, and cone biopsy done on March 9. The reason? I'm 49 and have supposedly been post-menopausal for almost 2-1/2 years and had some spotting in January. I say supposedly, because I have occasionally felt something like phantom PMS symptoms, without the bleeding over the last couple of years. I had bloodwork done 2 years ago, and the only thing my gyno said was the results indicated "menopausal". When I went to my gyno back in January to investigate the spotting, he ordered a trans-vaginal ultra sound to measure the lining of the uterus, and he took a pap smear while I was there. The ultra-sound said my uterus was 12mm thick. My gyno told me that my pap showed an elevated dysplasia level. I had to have a colposcopy in Feb. to confirm the pap test. After the colposcopy (which I've had before), I was bleeding like a period for about 5 days. I called my gyno and he told me that it was not normal, and that's why I was having the D&C etc.
The day of the surgery, I was having PMS symptoms again - I swear on the way to the hospital I felt like I was going to start bleeding any second. After the D&C, hysterscope, and cone, I felt really good - just slight cramping. I have been having very light staining since then (just enough to wear a panti-liner), but today, I have started what I would call "bleeding like a regular period", complete with cramps, tiredness, headache, thirst, irritability. I have a check-up with my gyno on Monday....when I spoke to him a week after surgery about the results (all dysplasia removed, uterus looked normal - not 12mm as indicated on ultrasound), I asked him again if it is possible that I am having periods again....his answer was "not likely"
NOT LIKELY!!?? I am not crazy! I know how it feels to have a period, and even though it's been 2-1/2 years, all of my tests results are good so what could it be?
Is anyone experiencing anything like this??? HELP! :confused: :confused:

Hello sockmonkey

I sure can relate to you on this. I am turning 54 and been 'menopausal' for 3 years now. In the last 3 months I have experienced what you call 'phantom pms stuff' I never suffered from PMS when I was 'younger' but now? bloated, swollen, tender breasts, mood swings etc but no period. I have def gone through menopause.

almost 2 weeks ago, I had a full blown period, but very heavy and not the same type of blood as my 'previous' life. I went to the doctor, and was sent to the hospital for the transvaginal ultra sound (just yesterday) I was dxd about 4 years ago, with fibroid tumor (s) and a ovarian cyst. Had a in office biopspy (think you called it a 'cone biopsy" at that point, and was just told to come back if I had any more periods well n othing ever for 3 years straight (BLISS) then now.

I am rather alarmed at this, but will wait till my doctor phones me with the results from ystdys ultra sound.

Since I am relativly new here on this board I did not know where to post exactly. Until I saw your post.....thankyou for sharing!!! :D I have hypothyroidism so I bet the hormone factor plays alot in this 'game of life' I am not nor ever have been, (nor wish to) be on HRT the thyoid stuff is enuff for me to deal with, and now this... hmmm

Bonnie :angel:

well that sure is an interesting concept on periods. Yes it is the 'sloughing' off of uneeded tissue (from a non pregnancy state) that comes away from the uterine wall and comes away from our bodies. But when menopause hits, all egg production comes to a standstill, there fore no 'shedding of the lining' which is normally for the preparation to house a baby. If you have had no period in (some doctors say 6 months others say 12 months) in my case it is 3 years, and it matters not that I have had two children.... then it is something to be concerned about. Too many women throughout history have 'just shrugged it off' as one of those things...I easily could be one of those women as well, but I know it is not right.

While I can appreciate your financial concerns, I am not familiar with the health system outside of our own country, I would def err on the cautious side.

Just be careful Sharon as you know deep down your body is indeed changing as it does for all of us as we age. Rats on aging!!!! When it was found I had a fibroid (not a threat) I had no cramping just a strange period and I had not yet finished menopause, was still having sporadic periods. Your situation could well be the ceasing of your menses..... keep a close watch and do keep us posted here on this board.

Bonnie

i have a friend who says that "your warranty on health runs out at 50" -- i so totally agree!

jb

hiya `JB

Good to see you. I have posted this problem in another thread here I believe under the line of something about PERIODS. I am being faced with something I am not understanding about. The boob reduction is just a fanciful dream of mine, that post was I think November. It will happen I hope one day, and yes OHIP pays for it, and the tummy 'envelope' I have as they are causing me health concerns. But first things first my doctor says.

She increased my meds (as you know) and to tell the truth I am feeling great.... I still have symptoms like before, but no where near as bad. This other issue (endometrial thickness (in my case 1cm or 10mm) and since I fall in the catagory of post menopause, overweight, ovarian cyst uterine fibroids (quite common I guess) plus all this history, and the limit I think for thickness in a non pregnant, non menstruating, no HRT, no BC pills woman is 4 or 5 mm not the 10mm I am.

But again I wont know anything until this coming appt is finished (the date for that is april 26) can you believe I have only been to GYN for OB stuff and the last one of those was 24 years ago? keeping same doc for 40 years hmmmm and a woman doctor at that....now a man..... gee whiz.....

again like the TD I have no close female in my life (not counting my maw who as you remember is well, what shoulld I say? my sister in BC (10 yrs my senior) has NO CLUE what so ever and thinks all can e solved by being like her (hippy haha vegetarian (only cos of the cost of meats) a good style for her, but not for me... she knows nothing about thyroid either, and thinks it is a bunch of bunk so forget menopause issues, or this stuff. Sort of like my mother I think. My brother (in Japan) who has prostate cancer helps me with words as he is wise, but he aint no woman (no matter what he says in jokingness)

So I think you may have been through, or known about and can help me sort out and try to make choices which are proper. I do not wish HRT I do not wish surgery, and to tell the truth I do not know what I wish..... Guess I am babbling bonnie again. You can ask me "do you want some WHINE with that cheese Bonnie? and I am apted to say YUP!!!

Folks here on this board have really helped this past day..... for which I am thankful for, and for you showing up. I am also on another board here as I did not think any post menopause women were here, but they were, (in silent mode) but today they came forth.... and bless you in all your pain and tiredness, being here. Thankyou JB.

hiya `JB

Good to see you. I have posted this problem in another thread here I believe under the line of something about PERIODS. I am being faced with something I am not understanding about. The boob reduction is just a fanciful dream of mine, that post was I think November. It will happen I hope one day, and yes OHIP pays for it, and the tummy 'envelope' I have as they are causing me health concerns. But first things first my doctor says.

She increased my meds (as you know) and to tell the truth I am feeling great.... I still have symptoms like before, but no where near as bad. This other issue (endometrial thickness (in my case 1cm or 10mm) and since I fall in the catagory of post menopause, overweight, ovarian cyst uterine fibroids (quite common I guess) plus all this history, and the limit I think for thickness in a non pregnant, non menstruating, no HRT, no BC pills woman is 4 or 5 mm not the 10mm I am.

But again I wont know anything until this coming appt is finished (the date for that is april 26) can you believe I have only been to GYN for OB stuff and the last one of those was 24 years ago? keeping same doc for 40 years hmmmm and a woman doctor at that....now a man..... gee whiz.....

again like the TD I have no close female in my life (not counting my maw who as you remember is well, what shoulld I say? my sister in BC (10 yrs my senior) has NO CLUE what so ever and thinks all can e solved by being like her (hippy haha vegetarian (only cos of the cost of meats) a good style for her, but not for me... she knows nothing about thyroid either, and thinks it is a bunch of bunk so forget menopause issues, or this stuff. Sort of like my mother I think. My brother (in Japan) who has prostate cancer helps me with words as he is wise, but he aint no woman (no matter what he says in jokingness)

So I think you may have been through, or known about and can help me sort out and try to make choices which are proper. I do not wish HRT I do not wish surgery, and to tell the truth I do not know what I wish..... Guess I am babbling bonnie again. You can ask me "do you want some WHINE with that cheese Bonnie? and I am apted to say YUP!!!

Folks here on this board have really helped this past day..... for which I am thankful for, and for you showing up. I am also on another board here as I did not think any post menopause women were here, but they were, (in silent mode) but today they came forth.... and bless you in all your pain and tiredness, being here. Thankyou JB.

aw golly you're a sweetie ...

first of all, i'm sorry about your bro' -- is it in remission?

i don't think he'd put you on HRT -- i was on it years ago (i think that i really needed it), when i was having flashes and a damned rash (guess where) and all sorts of vag. infections, so i'm no stranger to the gyn-guy ... but i don't think that's your problem, really (putting you on HRT), and if he does suggest it: ask me about it before you refuse ...

don't knock men, as ob/gyns: my female ob/gyn was awful and rough, my male ob/gyn was lovely (his office decor was soothing, esp. the lighting, and had all sorts of prints and sculptures of loving females, and he had a cartoon above his examining table, on the ceiling no less! -- i forget what it was), and now i have a new ob/gyn ('cuzz it takes a year to get an appt. with the old guy), my new ob/gyn is neither this nor that ...

you may need a D&C, or even a hysterectomy, but if you need anything, comfort or anything, please ...

i'll tell you a story: my mum had a baby who was adopted out, b/f she was married and i was born ... she kept her secret 'til she was 75, two years before she died (two and a half years ago) ... meanwhile, my half-sister found her, visited her with all her brood, mum told me, then died; my half-sister (i call her "sis") and i have become quite close -- she has four sons and 10!! grandchildren -- i visited her and she's just a doll and she married a man not unlike my DH ... and guess what! she has TD!! (not that i'm happy about it ...) now we wonder if our mum had it and it went undetected (she was not one to question -- doctors were like gods to her) ... she may have had it: she was a bit tired, had osteoporosis (which i only got when i went hypo), a bit depressed, yadda yadda -- not a severe case, i grant you, but she's not around to ask and anyhoo, she would have said, "normal", b/c that's what the doctors told her ... she would have been ashamed to ask for numbers ...

but i have a sister!! and she's a real sweetie, just a doll! she lives in vegas (they don't like it), and who'd 'a thunk!! and somehow, b/c my mum died, i've discovered my long-lost cousin with an island ...

so go figure ... and take care ...
jb

~ ah, the writing course seems to have got stuck: i've got my second submission back, my tutor is right, and it's just a matter of getting down to it, but faugh!!!

No my brother is not in remission. He was diagnosed and treatment began back in 1999. Had the 30+ days of daily radiation, and is now on hormone therapy. (hence he saying he can help me with my 'womanly ails' (family joke) but he is terminal as he puts it. It spread to his lower back (spine) and is now headed for more tests, to see why the PSA is rising, when it should not be I guess.

He has a unique life, and sense of humour, and diff religious beliefs than I, and I love him to death, and I will miss him horribly. Though he has been in Japan since 1964 he and his wife (who is from Chicago) come back periodically to visit, family. He was only 53 when diagnosed which apparently is not good in a 'young' man....dunno.

I love the idea of you finding lost family...sis and cousin. My sister is also my half sister, though we grew up together.....my brother is my full brother. My father also had prostrate, and his brother, and my uncles son, had testicular cancer....my son??? God I hope not. My DH goes for yearly blood tests for PSA levels, and so far all is well, which is where I expect it to stay. Island living in the St. Lawrence for a couple of weeks each summer is FABULOUS - One day I will go and visit the St. Lawrence can you believe I have never seen it? (other than what may be visible in Kingston) but it was never actually pointed out to me. When I hear Leonard Cohen, I think of the St. Lawrence for some obscure reason.

B.

No my brother is not in remission. He was diagnosed and treatment began back in 1999. Had the 30+ days of daily radiation, and is now on hormone therapy. (hence he saying he can help me with my 'womanly ails' (family joke) but he is terminal as he puts it. It spread to his lower back (spine) and is now headed for more tests, to see why the PSA is rising, when it should not be I guess.

He has a unique life, and sense of humour, and diff religious beliefs than I, and I love him to death, and I will miss him horribly. Though he has been in Japan since 1964 he and his wife (who is from Chicago) come back periodically to visit, family. He was only 53 when diagnosed which apparently is not good in a 'young' man....dunno.

I love the idea of you finding lost family...sis and cousin. My sister is also my half sister, though we grew up together.....my brother is my full brother. My father also had prostrate, and his brother, and my uncles son, had testicular cancer....my son??? God I hope not. My DH goes for yearly blood tests for PSA levels, and so far all is well, which is where I expect it to stay. Island living in the St. Lawrence for a couple of weeks each summer is FABULOUS - One day I will go and visit the St. Lawrence can you believe I have never seen it? (other than what may be visible in Kingston) but it was never actually pointed out to me. When I hear Leonard Cohen, I think of the St. Lawrence for some obscure reason.

B.

ahh, your poor brother, and poor you ...

my found-cousin is anglican (which i think is called episcopal in the US), and when they're at the island they attend church, by boat, every sunday ... maybe i'll go with her, just to see what it's like ... and since there's an anglican church near my house, may eventually attend that too ... it's not that i believe in God so much as that "greater than" feeling i sometimes get ... maybe it's just my age, but we'll see (well, we all get to see sometime ;) , but you know what i mean) ...

concentrate on the fact that your DS must have your husband's genes, not yours...

i'm really sad for your brother, and more for you ...

jb

Oh JB you are nice..... My brother is not a Christian, but has the foundation of a higher plain. His attitude is great...he doesnt nor has never given up, but he is not being silly and denying (like my mother and my sister seem to be) he is very factual. He was my best friend when we were growing up in a sort of unhappy home. my sister was landed with looking after me (she being 10 years my senior) My Church (methodist) has helped me throught lots of pain things here with me now... and of course dealing with my brothers cancer.

my bro, is funny he phoned a couple of weeks ago, and made me go into a closet to talk to him, as I refused to speak about my problems, which seem so not urgent compared to his whole life now. But my mom was here, lip reading me, and I did not mention to her, as she was in one of those moods, where MENOPAUSE never hit her (of course not, she had a 'surgical one at age 42) and was miserable anyhow. hahah She is of the era so many women her age, and older are..... like liittle followers and do everything the good doctor tells her. You know what I mean.

Never taking charge of their own health, and so many died young for lack of knowledge.

So I went into a closet and tried to talk to him about this endometrial stuff and the ovarian cyst and stuff, and I could not help but laugh laugh laugh, as Tim always talks about his 'buddah belly' now that he is on hormone therapy for the cancer...... but I love my bro. I hope he goes into remission....but his attitude has taught me to not weep but shed a few tears...and go on with life. My DS went to Japan when he was on a buisness trip to China, he stopped in to see his Uncle that is terrific for me to know this, and see the two of them together.....memories on photo for me.

I know you jwill be fine on your cottageing on the St. Lawrence....like the song David Usher sings...... only it wont be freezing. You will have such a fun time, and who knows. I may be sailing down the river on a sail boat. (DH works in a marina, and stranger things have happened) haha

Bonnie

There will be so many people thinking about you on the 26th and wishing you a comfortable and easy exam with a good outcome!

As well, we are all sending thoughts and prayers for your brother. He sounds like an amazing person.

Nornie

When I hear Leonard Cohen, I think of the St. Lawrence for some obscure reason.

B.

come to think of it, i think of muskoka ...

jb

thankyou everyone for your good 'vibes' for this upcoming appointment.

I will go into it and practice some sort of relaxing technique (have not found anything yet, cept maybe I will go away in my mind to our camping holidays (now only around 79 more days) this problem better NOT interfere with our plans...hmmmmm I will still go, sit in chair, sip wine, like a LADY even if I cannot bend over to pick up stuff haha.

I remember one such exam (way 3 months after my DD was born) he ended up scheduling me for a D & C as I was too 'UPTIGHT" for a office exam..... (this guy was eventually put in jail in UK for being a not nice guy) yet he was booted from this province, went to another, then finally over to UK where they finally made the charges stick...... I got the shock out of my life when I realized who this guy was when I read about him in one of our local rags here where I live. HMMM so it is doubly hard for me to go see a different doctor than whom I have gone to for 40 odd years.

My mantra will be...... CAMPING.........WINE........BBQ......... . giggle giggle.

St. Lawrence.... I think I was 'introduced to the music of Leonard Cohen through my brother, and my fav song (still is one of them) 'Suzanne'... and since he lives in Montreal (not my bro) I figured it was St. Lawrence.

Muskoka LOVERLY wish I could afford to live on that lake year round and join in the hoity toity folks we read about....he Goldie & Kurt sold their 'cottage' there.... where is the neighbourhood going now? hahha. We camp further north than Muskoka, just south of Sudbury in fact.

Bonnie

thankyou everyone for your good 'vibes' for this upcoming appointment.


I remember one such exam (way 3 months after my DD was born) he ended up scheduling me for a D & C as I was too 'UPTIGHT" for a office exam..... (this guy was eventually put in jail in UK for being a not nice guy) yet he was booted from this province, went to another, then finally over to UK where they finally made the charges stick...... I got the shock out of my life when I realized who this guy was when I read about him in one of our local rags here where I live. HMMM so it is doubly hard for me to go see a different doctor than whom I have gone to for 40 odd years.

My mantra will be...... CAMPING.........WINE........BBQ......... . giggle giggle.

St. Lawrence.... I think I was 'introduced to the music of Leonard Cohen through my brother, and my fav song (still is one of them) 'Suzanne'... and since he lives in Montreal (not my bro) I figured it was St. Lawrence.

Muskoka LOVERLY wish I could afford to live on that lake year round and join in the hoity toity folks we read about....he Goldie & Kurt sold their 'cottage' there.... where is the neighbourhood going now? hahha. We camp further north than Muskoka, just south of Sudbury in fact.

Bonnie

good lord, no wonder you're frightened -- what an incompetant!! now bonnie, the vast majority of them are not like that ...

yeah, "suzanne"'s the one ("tea and oranges") -- somehow i think of muskoka -- mysterious? ... very far for us to get to, tho', living where we do ...

jb

ya JB I know. My first guy I had for the delivery of the babes. then he left to go to the states to make a zillion dollars (rumour has it) and I believe it now.... second guy was the loser!!!!! eeeeewwww third one died in a skiing accident, now this one....hope I can understand him as he is from another country, but my own doctor said he is fine..... we shall see I can see me reading his lips trying to fathom his words, and nodding like one of those doggy things in back windows of cars!

Suzanne, takes you down, to her place by the river, she feeds you tea and oranges? hence me thinking was stlawrence. But I love Muskoka land of rich and overflowing with milk and honey (oops almost said money!)

Ladies here on the menopause board have been great....and on other boards. I know I will see each and everyone of you and you will all be holding my hand come Monday morrning...... needless to say........ I have not found a situation where nothing is done for this thickness stuff for a woman of my age, and menopause state....recommendations all point to one course of action.... lets see what this guy says.... (shant jump the gun)

Cohen is like my brother.....yes only my bro is in Japan both are Zen JB, he did say to me "cancer has not blossomed into soft organs' which is a good thing for him. but it is in the bones...which is not a good thing, but he feels it is livable with for as long as it is deemed, by who ever! his words...... hmmm

Bonnie

JB, he did say to me "cancer has not blossomed into soft organs' which is a good thing for him. but it is in the bones...which is not a good thing, but he feels it is livable with for as long as it is deemed, by who ever! his words...... hmmm

Bonnie

cancer that has spread only to the bones is quite livable with (a certain amount of discomfort there, of course) ... a friend's friend had BC -- six years ago? ... and it's been in her bones for at least four years and she's going strong, with the aid of radiation, of course ... in the last year, she's had to have her daughter help, as she won't move (which i understand, ackshully, nothing worse than dying not in one's own bed) ...

"cancer has not blossomed into soft organs" -- what a good outlook on life he has ...

jb

~ so of course he's having alternative medecine -- acupuncture? has it helped? (i would think it has) ...