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rmc12
03-25-2004, 03:13 PM
Hi,

I have posted before about perimenopause frustrations. I went to my gyn yesterday and after the exam I talked about the issues I have and the anxiety I am having a hard time dealing with. Much of it is due to the fact that I have Irritable Bowel and also a back problem where my back went out last year and when the pelvis area is out of whack as it has been (unaligned) my abdominal muscles are affected and of course in perimenopause we have more of the gastrointestinal problems anyway which comes into play. I have just been fretting over every little twinge.

So we discussed some natural options (b vitamins, evening primrose, etc) but she also felt Lexapro would help and said there are little side effects. but she said it does make your stomach act up at first. She said to take 1/4 pill for 5 days and by then it should work fine with my stomach and then up it to 1/2 a pill for 2 weeks and stay at that if it helps anxiety. If not up it to a full one.

I took a 1/4 last night and had indigestion at first and nausea (did not get sick) during the night. I did call her today and she said this was consistent with what some women feel with it at first (heartburn and the nausea) but to "try and push thru with it" and it would subside. If it did not after the intial 5 days then to call and she could give me somethin else.

So...my question is...if you are taking Lexapro or have...have you experienced this stomach thing and for how long. I know everyone is different though.

Also, is there anything natural you find that helps and if this does not work for me (lexapro) I was thinking of trying more natural methods .

I am so tired today after being up a bit of the night with the nausea feeling and also wigging myself out about it.

OH..also she suggested Estrovan Hormone therapy which are vitamins (not hormones) for the perimenopause symtpoms but it does not take care of anxiety she said. Is anyone takign that?

Thanks for reading this long post and for any input you have.

rmc

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PennyD
03-25-2004, 08:03 PM
Hi,

I have posted before about perimenopause frustrations. I went to my gyn yesterday and after the exam I talked about the issues I have and the anxiety I am having a hard time dealing with. Much of it is due to the fact that I have Irritable Bowel and also a back problem where my back went out last year and when the pelvis area is out of whack as it has been (unaligned) my abdominal muscles are affected and of course in perimenopause we have more of the gastrointestinal problems anyway which comes into play. I have just been fretting over every little twinge.

So we discussed some natural options (b vitamins, evening primrose, etc) but she also felt Lexapro would help and said there are little side effects. but she said it does make your stomach act up at first. She said to take 1/4 pill for 5 days and by then it should work fine with my stomach and then up it to 1/2 a pill for 2 weeks and stay at that if it helps anxiety. If not up it to a full one.

I took a 1/4 last night and had indigestion at first and nausea (did not get sick) during the night. I did call her today and she said this was consistent with what some women feel with it at first (heartburn and the nausea) but to "try and push thru with it" and it would subside. If it did not after the intial 5 days then to call and she could give me somethin else.

So...my question is...if you are taking Lexapro or have...have you experienced this stomach thing and for how long. I know everyone is different though.

Also, is there anything natural you find that helps and if this does not work for me (lexapro) I was thinking of trying more natural methods .

I am so tired today after being up a bit of the night with the nausea feeling and also wigging myself out about it.

OH..also she suggested Estrovan Hormone therapy which are vitamins (not hormones) for the perimenopause symtpoms but it does not take care of anxiety she said. Is anyone takign that?

Thanks for reading this long post and for any input you have.

rmcMy GP gave me Lexapro in August 2003 for panic/anxiety attacks that I now know were a part of peri-menopause. I had a violent reaction to one 10mg pill!!! It is time released and every time it released I gave very nauseated and my blood pressure and pulse went very high. A few weeks later she gave me Zoloft I had nausea with it but not a blood pressure or pulse problem. The nausea with the Zoloft was too much for me. So finally I found this board and Molly wrote about Paxil CR with no side effects and that same week a client who is a nurse practioner said the same thing about Paxil CR. I have been on it for 32 days and have had NO side effects!! I am doing so much better. I was better the first week I was on it. If the Lexapro doen't work out you might try the Paxil CR. Hope you feel better soon. :)
Penny

Ann123
03-26-2004, 01:08 AM
I am on Lexapro. The stomach side effects went away for me in about a week and it is working out fine for me now. 10 mgs a day.

cocohoney
03-26-2004, 09:19 AM
I am on Effexor for perimenopause. My doc put me on Paxil first, but I gained alot of weight (but the med worked fine). Then my doc put me on Lexapro and again I was gaining weight (and again the med worked fine). I had no side effects, etc., but now I'm on Effexor which is a great med!! I told my doc that I didn't want to take these meds and wanted to take herbs or take some natural supplements or vitamins. She suggested St. Johns Wort, Kava Kava or 5-HTP, but in order for them supplements/herbs to work efficiently, you'd have to take 10-12 to equal what is in one pill such as Effexor or Paxil, etc. So, I decided to stay with Effexor for the time being. Perhaps later when I'm doing alot better, I'll go the natural way . . . my husband loves the way I am now. I'm not the bitter, whiney, crying and ***** I used to be. Anyway.....good luck and have a God blessed day!! :wave:

Hi,

I have posted before about perimenopause frustrations. I went to my gyn yesterday and after the exam I talked about the issues I have and the anxiety I am having a hard time dealing with. Much of it is due to the fact that I have Irritable Bowel and also a back problem where my back went out last year and when the pelvis area is out of whack as it has been (unaligned) my abdominal muscles are affected and of course in perimenopause we have more of the gastrointestinal problems anyway which comes into play. I have just been fretting over every little twinge.

So we discussed some natural options (b vitamins, evening primrose, etc) but she also felt Lexapro would help and said there are little side effects. but she said it does make your stomach act up at first. She said to take 1/4 pill for 5 days and by then it should work fine with my stomach and then up it to 1/2 a pill for 2 weeks and stay at that if it helps anxiety. If not up it to a full one.

I took a 1/4 last night and had indigestion at first and nausea (did not get sick) during the night. I did call her today and she said this was consistent with what some women feel with it at first (heartburn and the nausea) but to "try and push thru with it" and it would subside. If it did not after the intial 5 days then to call and she could give me somethin else.

So...my question is...if you are taking Lexapro or have...have you experienced this stomach thing and for how long. I know everyone is different though.

Also, is there anything natural you find that helps and if this does not work for me (lexapro) I was thinking of trying more natural methods .

I am so tired today after being up a bit of the night with the nausea feeling and also wigging myself out about it.

OH..also she suggested Estrovan Hormone therapy which are vitamins (not hormones) for the perimenopause symtpoms but it does not take care of anxiety she said. Is anyone takign that?

Thanks for reading this long post and for any input you have.

rmc

molly123
03-26-2004, 11:40 AM
Hi rmc,
My dr. originally prescribed me Wellbutrin XL which I felt weird for the 9 days that I took it. I was already feeling so horrible, the side effects were makng me feel worse.

I was later prescribed Paxil CR 12.5mg (the lowest dosage) and I didn't experience any side effects and felt better right away. The dr. said if the Paxil didn't work for me, he would then try me on Effexor.

I have been taking lots supplements and vits too. I have been taking Estroven and just ran out this week. I don't know if the Estroven helped or if I'm going to get more now that I'm out. I am drinking Revivial soy shake which has 160mg of soy which is more than what's in the Estroven. I do think the B vits, Magnesium and the Evening Primrose helps. I am no longer waking up with these headaches nor am I havng these internal shakes.

I saw a commercial on Estroven - they put out something where you can test yourself to see where you are with your menopause. Has anyone seen or used this yet?

Molly



Hi,

I have posted before about perimenopause frustrations. I went to my gyn yesterday and after the exam I talked about the issues I have and the anxiety I am having a hard time dealing with. Much of it is due to the fact that I have Irritable Bowel and also a back problem where my back went out last year and when the pelvis area is out of whack as it has been (unaligned) my abdominal muscles are affected and of course in perimenopause we have more of the gastrointestinal problems anyway which comes into play. I have just been fretting over every little twinge.

So we discussed some natural options (b vitamins, evening primrose, etc) but she also felt Lexapro would help and said there are little side effects. but she said it does make your stomach act up at first. She said to take 1/4 pill for 5 days and by then it should work fine with my stomach and then up it to 1/2 a pill for 2 weeks and stay at that if it helps anxiety. If not up it to a full one.

I took a 1/4 last night and had indigestion at first and nausea (did not get sick) during the night. I did call her today and she said this was consistent with what some women feel with it at first (heartburn and the nausea) but to "try and push thru with it" and it would subside. If it did not after the intial 5 days then to call and she could give me somethin else.

So...my question is...if you are taking Lexapro or have...have you experienced this stomach thing and for how long. I know everyone is different though.

Also, is there anything natural you find that helps and if this does not work for me (lexapro) I was thinking of trying more natural methods .

I am so tired today after being up a bit of the night with the nausea feeling and also wigging myself out about it.

OH..also she suggested Estrovan Hormone therapy which are vitamins (not hormones) for the perimenopause symtpoms but it does not take care of anxiety she said. Is anyone takign that?

Thanks for reading this long post and for any input you have.

rmc

rmc12
03-26-2004, 03:40 PM
Hi Penny,

Thanks for the response. And glad you found something that worked. I had the heartburn and nausea with the Lexapro the first night but did not have it last night so we shall see. She said to take it for 5 days and the stomach symptoms should subside but everyone's systems is different and if I cannot tolerate it I will ask for something else. So thanks for the tip on what you are taking.

rmc

rmc12
03-26-2004, 03:42 PM
I am on Lexapro. The stomach side effects went away for me in about a week and it is working out fine for me now. 10 mgs a day.



HI Ann,

thank you for your input. Some of the others said they noticed weight gain. Have you? I hope that does not happen. I am on a 1/4 pill a day to start and then after 5 days have to increase to 1/2 a pill as I said. Yesterday was the 2nd time I took it, had some heartburn and took pepcid and that seemed to help but other than that it was ok. So we will see.

Do you find it helps with your anxiety? I just really wanted something to take when I was feeling anxious during my cycle so was surprised she gave me something for every day.

Thanks for your post,

rmc

rmc12
03-26-2004, 03:45 PM
HI Cocohoney,

THank you for responding. It does sound like everyone is affected differently by different drugs and it is good you found something that works for you. How long were you taking Lexapro before you found you were gaining weight from it?

Thanks again,

rmc

rmc12
03-26-2004, 03:52 PM
Hi Molly,

Thanks for writing back. I was just taking the Estroven PMS which is taken right before your period and now she has suggested the regular Estroven for everyday (think it is called Hormone Balance ) . So I just started taking it. My stomach is so sensitive that even with that I had some indigestion feeing but I did take it with food and it was not that bad. The Lexapro was better last night with little symptoms.

As for the Estroven kit that you mention I did see that advertised and would also be interested in seeing if anyone else has used it.

How much of the evening primrose do you take and also the magnesium? What are you taking the evening primrose for? I have heard it is good for irritability. Is the Magnesium in your multivitamin or do you take it alone?
Sorry for all the questions!! Thanks so much though. This board is a big help to realize we are not all alone in this.

I just feel like most of the time I am in a state of feeling like I am going to get my period and it is not a great feeling as I know you all know!!

rmc

rmc12
03-26-2004, 03:56 PM
Hi again Cocohoney,

Forgot to add that I too wanted to take just natural things but it was exactly what you said, there seems to be so much out there and it was recommended taking the one drug that would do the same things. But I do not want to be on it for the long haul as you said and would rather take some other supplements if it helped. But I was just feeling so anxious and driiving myself and my loveable husband nuts too that I had to do something and if this helps I will be very happy. But I will keep the med in mind you are using as it sounds like you have had no problems with it.

rmc

cocohoney
03-26-2004, 10:34 PM
I was on Paxil for 2 months and Lexapro for 2 months before I noticed the weight gain. Now I'm on Effexor and I can't seem to lose weight but I'm not gaining either. I was told I'd lose weight from all the meds after I discontinue taking any antidepressants. Hmmm....makes me wanna quit, but I feel so wonderful. I've gone from a size 7-8 to a size 12-14 and my clothes are fitting toooooooooo tight!


HI Cocohoney,

THank you for responding. It does sound like everyone is affected differently by different drugs and it is good you found something that works for you. How long were you taking Lexapro before you found you were gaining weight from it?

Thanks again,

rmc

molly123
03-27-2004, 01:57 PM
Hi Molly,

How much of the evening primrose do you take and also the magnesium? What are you taking the evening primrose for? I have heard it is good for irritability. Is the Magnesium in your multivitamin or do you take it alone?
Sorry for all the questions!! Thanks so much though. This board is a big help to realize we are not all alone in this.

I just feel like most of the time I am in a state of feeling like I am going to get my period and it is not a great feeling as I know you all know!!

rmc

Hi rmc,
First of all, don't worry abut asking questions. We're all here to learn and supply each other with information! Now, get ready to read this long post....

My drs. ONLY suggested the Paxil CR and the Estroven-Hormone Balance. Most of the supplements I'm taking are from several books I have read -- "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Premenopause" by Dr. John Lee; "The Wisdom of Menopause" by Dr. Christiane Northrup; and "Before the Change" by Dr. Ann Louise Gittleman. Also, on Dr. Phil's website, there's an episode about menopause symptoms. The books all say basically the same thing but I think "Before the Change" is a good book and recommend you get it becuz is easy to read and laid out easier to find out how to "zap" your symptoms.

I was experiencing these internal shakes that could easily be mistaken for anxiety, extreme debilitating fatigue, intense muscle aches, burning feet/arms, pins & needles in one foot, headaches, dizziness, dry eyes, loss of appetite. I have always been energetic and healthy, period have been irregular for couple of years already but normal flow. Don't know how old you are, but I cruised through my 40's. Feeling this way suddenly (right when I turned 50) and continuously for months really freaked me out, not to mention the stress of going to dr. to dr. Even tho the Paxil CR helped 'take the edge' off, I figure I had to help myself get through this "change of life," especially if it might last even up to 10 years ( :eek: eek!!!). I became very DETERMINED to take control back. I came to terms that I'm getting older and had to make some changes in my life, which incls. taking all these pills (ugh!)

As for the supplements, I take Evening Primrose Oil (alone) - 2 softgels (500mg) 2X/day with meals. Suppose to help with mood changes, anxiety, irritability, headaches and fluid retention. I had headaches daily for months. Now I don't.

Magnesium (alone) - I take 2 (250 mg each) 2X/day. I take 2 during the day and 2 at bedtime. According to Gittleman's book, magnesium deficiency causes nervousness, anxiety, irritabilty, muscle tremors/cramps, memory loss, concentration problems, apathy, depression, perspiration increase, body odor increase, urination increase, and constipation. Think it has helped my nervous system - no longer have those jittery internal shakes or feeling anxious. Apparently, there are different types of Magnesium out there. It gets confusing as to what to use. I have read Slo-Mag is good. No longer have the muscle problems or jittery/nervous/anxiety feeling.

I also take a multi-vitamin (AllOne powder). In addition to the multi, the Evening Primrose, and the Mag, I'm also take individually Vit E, C, B6, B12 (lozenges), zinc. In order to get the total mgs that are recommended, it comes out to lots of stuff to take, lots of bottles, lots of $$ spent. I had to lay it out on an Excel spreadsheet! Once I use up most of these, I might get the multi-vitamin and the soy shake that is talked about in the Power-Surge site, which is the only site I found that talkeda about those internal shakes I had. I'm out of Estroven but have a bottle of Black Cohosh (alone) but haven't used it yet.

I hope all this helps. I feel GREAT these days. I didn't gain any weight from the Paxil nor did I gain back any of the weight I lost when I had low appetite. However, I am walking and using light weights. I am so happy to feel like myself again - able to concentrate on my work, go shopping without freaking out! :bouncing: :bouncing:

If you feel like you're going to get your period and don't get it, you are still having jumping hormones. I don't feel anything anymore and haven't had a period for almost 5 mos. - think my hormones finally found its way home again.

Whatever supplements you take, stay with it. You don't necessarily notice a difference right away. Keep us posted as to how you're doing!

Take care,
Molly :wave:

rmc12
03-29-2004, 01:45 PM
Hi Molly,

Thank you so much for your post and the info. I have been reading a lot about Gittleman's book and I also saw on Dr. Phil's website the Peri-zapper info. But knowing firsthand from someone too what helps them, really does help and so I thank you for going thru each thing you take.

I did not do well with the Lexapro at all. It made me very nauseated and with heartburn which I never get. I took it for 4 days and I still don't think my stomach is right. I already have a sensitive stomach so I do not tolerate some things and guess this was one of them. I stopped taking it and since I am seeing my primary care physician today I will ask him for another suggestion. (my gyn gave me the Lexapro).

I am going to the primary care doctor today as a followup on my back problem and have had this appt for awhile but now I will discuss other things too and hopefully I will feel better in doing so and get some advice.

I have irritable bowel as I probably mentioned and since my back problem involves the hip and pelvis and the muscles there are so close to the intestines it really all aggravates the other. I need to relax more about the twinges I feel but I find it hard to do so and I am not at all myself. I am hoping that some of the supplements will help me.

Do you ever get nightsweats by the way? I don't get them often but got a doozy last night and my heart was really racing it seemed with it and of course I stressed and made it worse. I must sound like a basketcase I know!!

Thanks for listening and I will let you know how the appt goes. Thanks for the info on the supplements, it is a great help.

rmc

rmc12
03-29-2004, 01:53 PM
Hi again Molly,

You said you cruised thru your 40s and then started having a lot of symptoms as you turned 50 and forgot to say , yes I am 49 and will be 50 in a couple weeks. Pretty much as you put it Cruised thru the 40s with just some minor perimenopause symtpoms, like time between periods getting shorter and also a few longer ones but nothing major. Seem to be making up for it all now!!

rmc

molly123
03-29-2004, 02:42 PM
Hi Molly,

Thank you so much for your post and the info. I have been reading a lot about Gittleman's book and I also saw on Dr. Phil's website the Peri-zapper info. But knowing firsthand from someone too what helps them, really does help and so I thank you for going thru each thing you take.

I did not do well with the Lexapro at all. It made me very nauseated and with heartburn which I never get. I took it for 4 days and I still don't think my stomach is right. I already have a sensitive stomach so I do not tolerate some things and guess this was one of them. I stopped taking it and since I am seeing my primary care physician today I will ask him for another suggestion. (my gyn gave me the Lexapro).

I am going to the primary care doctor today as a followup on my back problem and have had this appt for awhile but now I will discuss other things too and hopefully I will feel better in doing so and get some advice.

I have irritable bowel as I probably mentioned and since my back problem involves the hip and pelvis and the muscles there are so close to the intestines it really all aggravates the other. I need to relax more about the twinges I feel but I find it hard to do so and I am not at all myself. I am hoping that some of the supplements will help me.

Do you ever get nightsweats by the way? I don't get them often but got a doozy last night and my heart was really racing it seemed with it and of course I stressed and made it worse. I must sound like a basketcase I know!!

Thanks for listening and I will let you know how the appt goes. Thanks for the info on the supplements, it is a great help.

rmc

Hi rmc,
Yes, I do get nightsweats as well as daysweats! I will suddenly feel this hot flush (especially in the face). I don't turn beet red like some women do and it only a few minutes, which is tolerable. It comes/goes no more than 2-3 times a day maybe. I rarely sleep with blankets anymore. Just a bedsheet b/c I'll get too hot and toss them aside anyway. My bedroom is like a refrigerator!! LOL! Months ago when I was at my worse, I used to wake up, jump up in a state of panic, and be really sweaty. I would have these intense internal jittery shakes along with it too. Would totally freak me out! I have been drinking Revial Soy in hopes that it will help rid of them and keep my other symptoms from coming back. According to the testimony of others, it is suppose to help. By the way, it is ok if you're a basketcase. I think it is normal for women who are going thru this transition to be this way. I was a basketcase too - I dwelled and vented so much on how awful I was feeling that I was practically telling everyone and anyone (my boss, co-workers, friends, neighbors, the neighbor's dogs :D ) on how I was feeling. LOL! I had no shame whatsoever! I was self-diagnosing myself with every possible disease - drove my sister drive!! :eek:

How horrible to have Irritable Bowel and back problems! Must be very debilitating! Did you have these for a long time or did they come on suddenly as part of peri-meno? What other symptoms do you have? I do notice that I am more achy these days too, even tho I do stretches daily. It's old age, I guess.

I think if you follow some of the zappers suggested in Gittleman's book, it will help. It is worth the try.

Molly :wave:

csoar2004
03-29-2004, 07:16 PM
Just wanted to jump in here and give a real loud SECOND THE PERI-ZAPPER motion! :D LOL. My perimenopause symptoms started in my 40s (brain fog, hair loss, return of acne, irritability, and in the last couple of years add hot flashes. :mad:
I stumbled on Ann Louise Gittleman's books via the Fat Flush Plan (because I was seriously overweight). From there I found Before the Change.
I currently take GLA (black currant oil, because I'm now menopausal and switched from EPO. However, a friend of mine swears that EPO helps her breast tenderness and mood swings better. Go figure), vitamin E, Flax seed oil (2 Tbsp per day), Magnesium (800mg/daily), zinc (50 mg), biotin (5mg) and for the hot flashes (Not limited to night-time, dang it!) I use an OTC progesterone cream (make sure you get the kind with micronized progesterone!) and it really works. I use it twice a day and haven't had a hot flash in ages and ages.
Like Molly, I'm feeling veddy veddy perky these days and have the energy of teenager.
Anyhoo, I meant to say that eating according to the fat flush plan guidelines might help with IBS. It's helped my brother's case, at all events and I've seen others state that their GERD, IBS, Colitis all improved or disappeared when following FFP's eating plan. Just a thought! ;) :p

best wishes,

charli
highest wt: 233
203/146/146 on the Fat Flush Plan for life and perky :D
age: 50, menopausal and loving it :cool:

Ann123
03-29-2004, 07:26 PM
HI Ann,

thank you for your input. Some of the others said they noticed weight gain. Have you? I hope that does not happen. I am on a 1/4 pill a day to start and then after 5 days have to increase to 1/2 a pill as I said. Yesterday was the 2nd time I took it, had some heartburn and took pepcid and that seemed to help but other than that it was ok. So we will see.

Do you find it helps with your anxiety? I just really wanted something to take when I was feeling anxious during my cycle so was surprised she gave me something for every day.

Thanks for your post,

rmc

Hi rmc,

No weight gain yet. Been on it a couple of months. It helps very much with anxiety. I am more anxious during my cycle too but the only other thing I think they could give you is a benzo which a lot of doctors don't like to prescribe long term due to addictive potential. I have had two cycles since being on Lex. and anxiety is gone. I am doing very well with this med.
Hope you do too! Take care, Ann

molly123
03-29-2004, 09:36 PM
Hi again Molly,

You said you cruised thru your 40s and then started having a lot of symptoms as you turned 50 and forgot to say , yes I am 49 and will be 50 in a couple weeks. Pretty much as you put it Cruised thru the 40s with just some minor perimenopause symtpoms, like time between periods getting shorter and also a few longer ones but nothing major. Seem to be making up for it all now!!

rmc

Hi rmc,

Well, get ready when you turn 50! :) At least you are already on the board here and getting a head start! My sister (just a year older) warned me but I didn't believe her. She said the same thing happened to ALL her friends too! I was crusin' along, minding my own business, full of energy and pep, never giving it a thought that I'm getting "older" and there's going to be some sudden changes. Well, let me tell you, last year was the worse time of my life. I thought I was dying! I was so miserable and the biggest baby. It was really hard for me to accept a lot of this menopausal stuff too!

By the way, Happy Early Birthday!!! :bouncing: I wish you well and hope you will not have to go through a hard (or harder) time!

Molly

molly123
03-29-2004, 09:51 PM
Just wanted to jump in here and give a real loud SECOND THE PERI-ZAPPER motion! :D LOL. My perimenopause symptoms started in my 40s (brain fog, hair loss, return of acne, irritability, and in the last couple of years add hot flashes. :mad:
I stumbled on Ann Louise Gittleman's books via the Fat Flush Plan (because I was seriously overweight). From there I found Before the Change.
I currently take GLA (black currant oil, because I'm now menopausal and switched from EPO. However, a friend of mine swears that EPO helps her breast tenderness and mood swings better. Go figure), vitamin E, Flax seed oil (2 Tbsp per day), Magnesium (800mg/daily), zinc (50 mg), biotin (5mg) and for the hot flashes (Not limited to night-time, dang it!) I use an OTC progesterone cream (make sure you get the kind with micronized progesterone!) and it really works. I use it twice a day and haven't had a hot flash in ages and ages.
Like Molly, I'm feeling veddy veddy perky these days and have the energy of teenager.
Anyhoo, I meant to say that eating according to the fat flush plan guidelines might help with IBS. It's helped my brother's case, at all events and I've seen others state that their GERD, IBS, Colitis all improved or disappeared when following FFP's eating plan. Just a thought! ;) :p

best wishes,

charli
highest wt: 233
203/146/146 on the Fat Flush Plan for life and perky :D
age: 50, menopausal and loving it :cool:


Hi Charli,
I think it is absolutely great that you lost weight and feeling perky!! You have been a great help! You said you are in menopause. I haven't had a period since Nov. so if I can hang on for another 7-8 months, I can be in actual menopause this year (keeping my fingers crossed!). It comforting to know that one can feel good even while in menopause. I read menopause can last for 10 years even!! Eeeek!! Did you use the peri-zappers while you were going through peri-meno? Also, if progesterone helps with the night seats, do you think it is ok for me to use the cream 2 times a day too?

Molly :wave:

csoar2004
03-29-2004, 10:39 PM
Hi Charli,
I think it is absolutely great that you lost weight and feeling perky!! You have been a great help! You said you are in menopause. I haven't had a period since Nov. so if I can hang on for another 7-8 months, I can be in actual menopause this year (keeping my fingers crossed!). It comforting to know that one can feel good even while in menopause. I read menopause can last for 10 years even!! Eeeek!! Did you use the peri-zappers while you were going through peri-meno? Also, if progesterone helps with the night seats, do you think it is ok for me to use the cream 2 times a day too? Hi Molly. Eeeeeeeeeek, indeed! LOL. Yes, I used peri-zappers (just found 'em last year, dang it! ...could have used them five years ago.. :eek: ) and continued them right through even after official cessation of menses. I think absolutely that progesterone cream will help your night sweats. Try taking it once a day and up the dose to 2x per day if once doesn't corral 'em. ;) Make sure the progesterone cream has micronized progesterone because if it doesn't, it won't be absorbed and is pretty much just a moisturizer. :rolleyes:

best wishes,

charli, the veddy veddy perky :bouncing: ;)

molly123
03-30-2004, 01:05 PM
Hi Molly. Eeeeeeeeeek, indeed! LOL. Yes, I used peri-zappers (just found 'em last year, dang it! ...could have used them five years ago.. :eek: ) and continued them right through even after official cessation of menses. I think absolutely that progesterone cream will help your night sweats. Try taking it once a day and up the dose to 2x per day if once doesn't corral 'em. ;) Make sure the progesterone cream has micronized progesterone because if it doesn't, it won't be absorbed and is pretty much just a moisturizer. :rolleyes:

best wishes,

charli, the veddy veddy perky :bouncing: ;)


Hi Charli,
So, since you found out about the peri-zappers only last year, you did go through some "suffering" of some kind too, didn't ya? :D In addition to losing weight and taking supplements and using the progesterone cream, did you exercise? Did you let go of any old baggage - forgive and forget?

The cream that I have is Emerita Pro-Gest Body Cream (Natural Progestserone Cream). It was recommended in Northrup's book. I don't see micronized anywhere on the package. I am feeling fine except with the occasional sweats and some minor aches. It's actually amazing how a cream can help with so many symptoms. If I use it once a day, should I use it everyday? It won't bring on my period, will it? :eek: Hmmm...I guess I'm a little leery about using it and am wondering if I should just deal with the sweats.... :D

Have a good day!!!
Molly :wave:

csoar2004
03-30-2004, 01:48 PM
Hi Charli,
So, since you found out about the peri-zappers only last year, you did go through some "suffering" of some kind too, didn't ya? :D LOL. Ya want the book or a summary?? (hair loss, brain fog, hot flashes, acne-for-heavens-sake!) In addition to losing weight and taking supplements and using the progesterone cream, did you exercise? Did you let go of any old baggage - forgive and forget?I discovered the joys of pilates. Hooooboy, do I love that mat routine!! I use the Winsor pilates tapes and it just doesn't feel like exercise to me (I even get cranky if I skip my pilates routine :rolleyes: ) The cream that I have is Emerita Pro-Gest Body Cream (Natural Progestserone Cream). It was recommended in Northrup's book. I don't see micronized anywhere on the package. I am feeling fine except with the occasional sweats and some minor aches. It's actually amazing how a cream can help with so many symptoms. If I use it once a day, should I use it everyday? It won't bring on my period, will it? :eek: Hmmm...I guess I'm a little leery about using it and am wondering if I should just deal with the sweats.... I use my progesterone cream -ProgestaKey- (about a 1/4 tsp) 2x a day, once in the morning and once in the pm. If you are still having regular periods, you start the cream on the 12th day after start of period and continue for 14 days. For perimenopausal women, start the cream on day 7 (after start of period) and continue for 20 days. I have no more hot flashes (because I'm menopausal, I take it for 25 days and then stop for 5 days).

Are you taking evening primrose oil (EPO)? Some folks find that it helps control sweats, too. I'm using black currant oil for the GLA and like it a lot ;)
You might also try another progesterone cream...I had to try a couple different ones before I found this one (works the best for me :p )

Hang in there, one of these days soon, you too, will join the ranks of the veddy veddy perky!

;) :D :jester:

best wishes,

charli
203/146/146 on the Fat Flush Plan for life
age: 50. perky to the max!

molly123
03-30-2004, 03:02 PM
[QUOTE=csoar2004]LOL. Ya want the book or a summary?? (hair loss, brain fog, hot flashes, acne-for-heavens-sake!)

How about a short book version...I just want to know if you suffered any (LOL!)... you seem to be in such good spirits, it is hard to believe that you ever had a hard time with this meno stuff! So, what were you like before you knew about the peri-zappers? Did you have anxiety over all this? Did your symptoms last for months and months? Did you go crazzzzzzzy?

[QUOTE=csoar2004] I discovered the joys of pilates. Hooooboy, do I love that mat routine!! I use the Winsor pilates tapes and it just doesn't feel like exercise to me (I even get cranky if I skip my pilates routine :rolleyes: )

Which Windsor pilates tapes do you have? There are so many out there. I might see if I can rent them before buying them. Did this help you lose your weight? Maybe pilates will help with my aches.

[QUOTE=csoar2004] Are you taking evening primrose oil (EPO)? Some folks find that it helps control sweats, too. I'm using black currant oil for the GLA and like it a lot

Yes, I taking EPO. Don't know if I'm taking enough. Think it has helped my headaches. My sweats aren't really that bad in comparison to others probably. I could say I am feeling pretty darn perfect if it wasn't for the occasional sweats and lower back aches. I am not using Black Currant Oil. What is that good for?

[QUOTE=csoar2004] Hang in there, one of these days soon, you too, will join the ranks of the veddy veddy perky!

Yes, I want to be veddy veddy perky!!! Right now, I'm just pretty veddy perky! Don't know if it's the Paxil CR that is helping or what or cuz of all the vits, supplements, exercise, so forth. That's another thing I have think about - if I wean off of Paxil, would I start feeling bad again :eek: ...something I am going to have to consider in a couple of months.

Hey, have a good day! :D
Molly

csoar2004
03-31-2004, 10:42 AM
Molly, the ONLY good thing about being 80 pounds overweight during perimenopause is that all the estrogen stored in the fat ameliorates the peri symptoms to a certain extent. One of those good thing/bad things things. LOL :D So, the short answer is - nope, didn't go crazy...but sure seemed like I had a years-long case of PMS! :mad: <blush>

I've got the introductory 3 dvd Winsor pilates series and after months of struggling to touch my toes, I'm proud to say that I can even do the Teaser these days without screaming. MUCH. :rolleyes:

EPO and black currant oil are both sources of GLA. EPO is often recommended for perimenopausal women and BCO for us menopausal types. Borage oil is another good source of GLA.

LOL...I think you and Penny and bobana (Dana) and I should have a virtual coffee klatch and kvetch. :D :p

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charli
203/146/146 on the Fat Flush Plan for life
age: 50, menopausal with maxed-out perky meter :D :jester:

molly123
03-31-2004, 11:55 AM
Molly, the ONLY good thing about being 80 pounds overweight during perimenopause is that all the estrogen stored in the fat ameliorates the peri symptoms to a certain extent. One of those good thing/bad things things. LOL :D So, the short answer is - nope, didn't go crazy...but sure seemed like I had a years-long case of PMS! :mad: <blush>

I've got the introductory 3 dvd Winsor pilates series and after months of struggling to touch my toes, I'm proud to say that I can even do the Teaser these days without screaming. MUCH. :rolleyes:

EPO and black currant oil are both sources of GLA. EPO is often recommended for perimenopausal women and BCO for us menopausal types. Borage oil is another good source of GLA.

LOL...I think you and Penny and bobana (Dana) and I should have a virtual coffee klatch and kvetch. :D :p

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charli
203/146/146 on the Fat Flush Plan for life
age: 50, menopausal with maxed-out perky meter :D :jester:

Hi Charli,

OK, so I guess you felt you didn't really suffered much (not that I really would've wanted you to! LOL :D )!! I think it is amazing that you lost the weight you have on this Fat Flush Plan. You should be proud of your accomplishment!!! :bouncing: Thumbs up, hugs, and a pat on the back to you!!

I wouldn't mind losing a few pounds so I think I'll get this book and see if I'm able to follow it. I would really like to see if it might interest my sister too. She started an the Atkins diet couple of months ago - didn't lose too much. Unfortunately, she is allergic to lots of food, especially those that are healthy! Could you believe I'm allergic to 4 food groups (dairy, corn, wheat, legumes)! :eek: Make you wonder what I eat, huh?

I think Pilates is hard or at least the tapes I have. Maybe the Windsor tapes is something I can try. Is it for beginners? My abs are the weakest! Do you do yoga?

I would love for us all to have virtual coffee klach & kvetch!! I think it is wonderful that all of us are having such a good time here! Maybe if the rest of us could all hang on long enough, we'll all eventually be in menopause and be veddy veddy perky too just like you!

Hope you have a wonderful day!
Molly

csoar2004
03-31-2004, 07:14 PM
Hi Charli,
OK, so I guess you felt you didn't really suffered much (not that I really would've wanted you to! LOL ) !! I think it is amazing that you lost the weight you have on this Fat Flush Plan. You should be proud of your accomplishment!!! Thumbs up, hugs, and a pat on the back to you!! Thanks! :D I wouldn't mind losing a few pounds so I think I'll get this book and see if I'm able to follow it. I would really like to see if it might interest my sister too. She started an the Atkins diet couple of months ago - didn't lose too much. Unfortunately, she is allergic to lots of food, especially those that are healthy! Could you believe I'm allergic to 4 food groups (dairy, corn, wheat, legumes)! Make you wonder what I eat, huh? Yah! What, you live on cardboard?? :p Actually, you might do well on FFP, because wheat, dairy, yeast, sugar are all removed from the diet for the first two phases and only healthy versions (whole grains, sprouted grains, honey, date sugar, etc.) are allowed back in Phase 3. I think Pilates is hard or at least the tapes I have. Maybe the Windsor tapes is something I can try. Is it for beginners? My abs are the weakest! Do you do yoga? Yes. Mine, too! Nope.
LoL! I have Winsor Pilates beginners dvd set. First disc shows you how to do the moves, second disc shows 20 minute "easy" workout with modified versions of each move for the truly sedentary (yah...ME!), and third disc has "body sculpting" longer (think: :eek: :eek: ) workout which is the one I'm doing these days. I have a love/hate relationship with the 'Teaser' :(
I would love for us all to have virtual coffee klach & kvetch!! I think it is wonderful that all of us are having such a good time here! Maybe if the rest of us could all hang on long enough, we'll all eventually be in menopause and be veddy veddy perky too just like you!

Hope you have a wonderful day!
Molly :D :eek: boy howdy! we'd drive the world nuts!! I LIKE IT!!
Yoohooo! :wave: PennyD, Bobanna! Let's meet for virtual coffee!! :p ;)

molly123
04-01-2004, 12:53 AM
[QUOTE=csoar2004] What, you live on cardboard?? :p QUOTE]

LOL! Oh, Charli, you should try! Cardboard is delicious if it's charbroiled--also, there's a whole bunch of other choices - broiled bubble wrap, tangy tape adhesive, gooey glue, panfried plastic bags and fried foam popcorn! Wanna come over for dinner? :bouncing:

Molly

rmc12
04-01-2004, 02:14 PM
Hi ,
Sorry for the delayed response. You asked if I recently had the Irritable Bowel Syndrome in Peri or before. I think to a certain extent I have always had a tendency towards it but it is more prevalent now.

You asked about other symtpoms I have in perimenopause : I have nightsweats now and then, more anxiety (thinking every little twinge is something serious), and more gastrointestinal problems around my period and mid cycle.

I was given Valium for my back problem when that first happened and it seemed to really relax the muscles. I have taken that now and again for my anxiety but the doctor said Xanax is a better option. I take that when I fly as I am a nervous flyer. So I am going to try that for the anxiety when I do feel that way but I think Valium works better for the muscle relaxant situation. I may start a new post and see if people take Valium or Xanax and what they think.

As far as the Lexapro it was an uncomfortable 4-5 days and it irritated my stomach. My gyn said to take the Xanax that my doctor prescribed and then maybe when my anxiety settles down from that I can tolerate the Lexapro. I am reluctant to do that but we will see. I am certainly not going to try it before our trip in a couple weeks (the Lexapro).

I have been reading the thread about Pilates...ironically just got the Winsor Pilates tapes last week. Doing the basics, or trying to I should say as it is hard due to my back issues but I do the modification they mention.

I am trying to go the gym every day or every other day and hope to get back to Jazzercize soon. But I find the anxiety makes me so drained!! So I need to get out of that cycle of worrying!!

Thanks for your input and support and hope you are all doing well.

rmc

molly123
04-01-2004, 07:43 PM
Hi rmc,
It is horrible to have anxiety. I hate it. Obviously, anxiety is bought on by worrying. I am on Paxil CR which helped me a lot.

Try not to worry. You are not alone and will get through all this. Once I started feeling better, I started exercising everyday. I am doing the Walk Away the Pounds, some Yoga, learning to meditate. Now I want to get the Windsor Pilates too. I think the exercise helps. It also takes your mind off of how you are feeling each day.

Please make yourself available to vent to us here on this board if you continue to worry!!

Take care,
Molly :wave:


Hi ,
Sorry for the delayed response. You asked if I recently had the Irritable Bowel Syndrome in Peri or before. I think to a certain extent I have always had a tendency towards it but it is more prevalent now.

You asked about other symtpoms I have in perimenopause : I have nightsweats now and then, more anxiety (thinking every little twinge is something serious), and more gastrointestinal problems around my period and mid cycle.

I was given Valium for my back problem when that first happened and it seemed to really relax the muscles. I have taken that now and again for my anxiety but the doctor said Xanax is a better option. I take that when I fly as I am a nervous flyer. So I am going to try that for the anxiety when I do feel that way but I think Valium works better for the muscle relaxant situation. I may start a new post and see if people take Valium or Xanax and what they think.

As far as the Lexapro it was an uncomfortable 4-5 days and it irritated my stomach. My gyn said to take the Xanax that my doctor prescribed and then maybe when my anxiety settles down from that I can tolerate the Lexapro. I am reluctant to do that but we will see. I am certainly not going to try it before our trip in a couple weeks (the Lexapro).

I have been reading the thread about Pilates...ironically just got the Winsor Pilates tapes last week. Doing the basics, or trying to I should say as it is hard due to my back issues but I do the modification they mention.

I am trying to go the gym every day or every other day and hope to get back to Jazzercize soon. But I find the anxiety makes me so drained!! So I need to get out of that cycle of worrying!!

Thanks for your input and support and hope you are all doing well.

rmc

rmc12
04-02-2004, 01:34 PM
Thanks Molly. You are so right worry is not good and I know I am not doing my system any good doing so. But I am not being very rational these days!!

I woke up with gas pains (not anything that doubled me over or anything) and of course started thinking the worse. I tried to calm myself and massage the area , which tends to be more on the right but I do not have any digestive situation, it is just like crampy gas pain. I did go to the bathroom afterwards (aren't you glad I am sharing) and felt better. But the pinchy feeling on the right is there at times and since it coincides with my back it really does confuse me at times.

I am also 2 weeks before my period and I know we can all get these kind of twinges at that time.

So that is where I am today. Thanks for letting me vent!!

I did the Winsor Pilates dvd yesterday and think it will be very helpful. I agree with you, exercise does help and I think when I was able to do more of it without these ankle and back issues I have I was much better off. But my ankle is getting better and hopefully my back will follow suit.

Thanks again as I said for listening. I know I am just exhausting myself!!

rmc

molly123
04-02-2004, 02:22 PM
[QUOTE=rmc12]I woke up with gas pains (not anything that doubled me over or anything) and of course started thinking the worse. I tried to calm myself and massage the area , which tends to be more on the right but I do not have any digestive situation, it is just like crampy gas pain. I did go to the bathroom afterwards (aren't you glad I am sharing) and felt better. But the pinchy feeling on the right is there at times and since it coincides with my back it really does confuse me at times.

Hi rmc,
Looks like there are several others on this meno board who are also experiencing gas. Yoohooo...where is that Penny? She has been having a gas time too! I am sooooo glad I don't have to deal with that too!

I did the Winsor Pilates dvd yesterday and think it will be very helpful. I agree with you, exercise does help and I think when I was able to do more of it without these ankle and back issues I have I was much better off. But my ankle is getting better and hopefully my back will follow suit.

I asked somewhere on another posting about the Winsor Pilates. Where did you get yours from? Are you just starting on Pilates? Do you have the one that comes w/4 DVDs and costs about $40? I want one that is for beginners. I have sissy abs so I don't want anything that will kill me.

TGIF,
Molly :bouncing:

rmc12
04-02-2004, 05:18 PM
Hi Molly,

I will have to look for Penny's posts as you mentioned and thanks for telling me others are going thru the gas thing too. Glad you do not have that symtpom.

As for the Winsor Pilates, I got it for 35.99 at Target and it has 3 or 4 dvds, one is an intro , one is a basic and then I think there is just one more , that is more advanced which I will not be able to do I am sure for quite some time!! : ) The Basic one was a real workout for my abs but I know it will be helpful for strengthening my "core" and helping my back.

Thanks again for your response,

rmc

molly123
04-02-2004, 05:33 PM
[QUOTE=rmc12]Hi Molly,

I will have to look for Penny's posts as you mentioned and thanks for telling me others are going thru the gas thing too. Glad you do not have that symtpom.

Hi rmc,

Check out the subject line that says "Anyone been diagnoised with acid reflux since peri started." Think there's gas talk there. I am getting all confused now b/c there are so many postings now and sometimes a subject is started but we end up talking about other stuff.

Thanks for the info on the pilates DVD. I think that's the only DVD "set" that is out there right now. Didn't know it can be purchased at Target - they advertise as if you can only get it online.

Molly :cool:





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