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Dannica
05-08-2004, 11:42 PM
Hi,
Can you please help me diagnose my symptoms.Okay here they are. I have an up and down personality, one day im wicked happy, the next i am psycotic.I can't keep a job, i often give my notice and quit, i cannot stay focused at a job, i do not like authority.I feel extremely offended when someone shows me how to do something, or if someone does something to help me , I feel as if they think i can't do things on my own. I am always in my own world, i cannot be in the present moment, i am always thinking about what i have to do a few days before i have to do something or i dwell on things that have passed. I am extremely forgetful, i loose my cars keys all the time, i cannot remember anything. I feel like an idiot. I think of what should of been said in a situation, hours later, when it is too late. This one bugs me, i always come up with the best things to say 5 hours later. Oh well:) I feel strong when i am by myself, weak around others. I cannot think quick. Im worried what everyone thinks of me. I want everyone to like me.I dont stick up for myself. I cannot finish daily errands. Thanks:)

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just a girl 32
05-09-2004, 12:23 AM
Hi,
Can you please help me diagnose my symptoms.Okay here they are. I have an up and down personality, one day im wicked happy, the next i am psycotic.I can't keep a job, i often give my notice and quit, i cannot stay focused at a job, i do not like authority.I feel extremely offended when someone shows me how to do something, or if someone does something to help me , I feel as if they think i can't do things on my own. I am always in my own world, i cannot be in the present moment, i am always thinking about what i have to do a few days before i have to do something or i dwell on things that have passed. I am extremely forgetful, i loose my cars keys all the time, i cannot remember anything. I feel like an idiot. I think of what should of been said in a situation, hours later, when it is too late. This one bugs me, i always come up with the best things to say 5 hours later. Oh well:) I feel strong when i am by myself, weak around others. I cannot think quick. Im worried what everyone thinks of me. I want everyone to like me.I dont stick up for myself. I cannot finish daily errands. Thanks:)
Do you have insurance? If so speak to your Dr so they can get you to see someone it can be so many different things, alot of times a chemical imbalance that meds will help with, good luck to you and keep me posted!

spreeville
05-09-2004, 09:43 AM
Your symptoms sound a bit like Attention Deficit Disorder. I would see a doc to get an official diagnosis.

Dannica
05-09-2004, 09:59 AM
hi,
I actually went to a doctor awhile ago and he didnt think i had a problem, he said i was just stressed out. So he put me on paxil. Well, the paxil made me have anxiety. So i stopped using it. I know i have something wrong, but people keep on thinking its my personality but, its really not. I will look up Atttention Deficit disorder. Thanks. :)

dixon
05-09-2004, 01:18 PM
Ok first of all i think we need to clarify what the word "psychotic" means - it actually means that you hallucinate hear voices have delusional thoughts etc - so if ur not having any of those u are not psychotic! (so tell us what you mean if you dont mean what ive just described) being up and down can be a number of things - as for the other stuff, car keys - thats normal - unless u do it a lot (forgetfullness could be a sign of being overworked or stressed) as for thinking what to say hours later - hell, a lot of people suffer that i know i do all the time - in an argument or a witty bit of repartie - i always think of the worlds best come back hours later - as do a lot of people. unless u are having proper "psychotic" symptoms id say u were just a bit stressed (even if u dont realise yet) the best thing to do is have a chat with a doctor.

write back and explain what u mean by psychotic

tomp
05-09-2004, 05:15 PM
Did you know that einstein, newton and pythagorus all did not eat beans, as they could not do math afterwards.? just a thought, but try to notice how your food makes you feel. Feeling good isn't easy when most of us in the first world are toxic from over nutrition. try a lighter fare and see if you don't lighten up.

Dannica
05-10-2004, 12:20 AM
Hi, Okay, my definition of my psycotic personality is just being aggravated, frustrated, can't think straight at all, i get very angry, and say all kinds of mean stuff to people close to me, i shut people out , dont want to be around people somedays , somedays i am talkitive and friendly, other days i am very distant and dont want to be around people who are close to me, i act as if they did something wrong to me, when i know its just something wrong with me, i feel like they are just bothering me. Its a very weird feeling. I regret the way i act later on. I do it for no reason at all. I get sad, and frustrated most of the time because i cannot think straight. I dont have hallucinations, but, i feel as if i am crazy because my moods are so up and down. I also have anxiety around certain people. I am not organized, i have been called a "Scatter Brain", by a few people. I have no idea why i am so damn forgetful. Its like beyond the normal forgetfullness, its like an everyday event for me to forget, its either my keys or something else. But, its always something, always. Even at work i feel like i have completed what i need to do, then to find out the next day , i forgot to do something or something went wrong and it was my error. And most of the time i isolate myself and dont like to interact with groups of people. So, at work i sit in the lunch room by myself. I feel out of place, basically, and dont know why. I feel like when im not around everyone talks about me, and i constantly have to get reassurance that people like me, and no one is talking about me. And if i get in a verbal fight with someone, i cannot think straight, until the issue is resolved. That means i cannot function, doing simple tasks, i am a mess until the issue is resolved. I dwell on the issue. My problems go way beyond the normal person, my mother tells me all the time. Forgeting on a daily basis, and my up and down moods, are just not normal. Nothing is ever consistent with me. I feel like i can't be real with anyone, i just can't be me, no ever knows the real me, i shut myself out, and become someone that i think is right in everyone elses eyes. But, i dont know how to act like myself, i dont really know how to act, i just wish i could speak my mind. But, i fear, people will think im crazy or something. And also i eat a very healthy diet, omegas 3's , and all, so its not my diet. I am a very good writer though, and i write alot of poetry. So , i have no clue why i feel so stupid in the real world. I cannot be assertive, and i feel weak around certain people.

dixon
05-10-2004, 01:21 PM
ok thanks for explaining - you are NOT psychotic - you clearly have a problem tho and id advise seeking help! - however i would urge u not to describe yourself as psychotic because it may upset people who are psychotic.

sounds like u have anxiety to me and maybe something like a personality disorder - being withdrawn etc

but i could be completely wrong

being withdrwan is one symptom of a psychotic illness but without hallucinations including auditory smell sensation and delusional voices u are not psychotic

see ur doctor

best wishes

Ruth6:11
05-11-2004, 01:07 PM
You may have Bipolar Disorder.
It may be difficult, but try to chart your moods. The ups, the downs, the angry, etc. on a little calendar book and bring it to your doctor. There isn't a real test for Bipolar Disorder but your chart will help in finding out what is wrong...

mouse62
05-11-2004, 01:09 PM
here are things to check out: ADD, the inattentive variety; moderately bi-polar (sometimes depressed, sometimes hypomania); as far as personality, perfectly normal introversion (ex. not thinking of the witty repartee until hours later) with perhaps some hypersensitivity (which in the extreme can be a disorder) . . . all of your symptoms can be explained by some combination of the above. OH I forgot an obvious one if you are a woman -- PMS can cause some of these symptoms too.

Dannica
05-11-2004, 07:45 PM
Hi,
I was wondering if i have some kind of social anxiety too? Like today for instance everyone is at my brothers house while i dont feel the need to be around everyone. I will definately chart my moods. And i will read up on bi-polar and A.D.D. I am thinking of another example of myself. Okay, last week i was going to the grocery store to pick up something for my mother, well , i went there and picked up a few things and forgot to get my mother what she wanted. My sole purpose for going there was to get her something. This has happened more than once. And it usually happens when i have to remember something. Like i cant carry out a simple task without forgetting. Its really weird. I know my brother had some kind of learning problem , like he couldnt focus and things like that, and he is wicked forgetful too. Just as bad as me. If you hand him keys, or something important he will lose it. I mean i am so forgetful i cant remember certain things about the day before. I have been asked by my mother to back track my steps from the day before, when i lose my keys or something and i tell her i can't even remember going into my house. I definately dont think thats normal. i guess i wil have to see another doctor , i just dont want to be on any medication or anything, maybe theres something wrong with my brain, who knows.

HondaDoll
05-12-2004, 10:56 AM
Your not alone. Trust me. All your examples are alot like me. I haven't been to a doctor yet cause I don't want to be on any medicines, I feel like the medicines are gonna really take control of me and then I'll really lose it. I want to keep it real, and I can't. I have a major problem with my moods. One minute I'm doing ok, the next minute I could get in somebodys face, I could snap. And the problem with this is that I do it mostly to the closest people to me, the ones I love. I snap one minute and then the next I wished it never happened. I just want to be normal and friendly but I get offended so fast. And then theres also days where I cry all throughout the day, without even knowing what I'm crying about. And forgetfulness?!? OH man, my concentration is never there. I could be telling a story to someone, and I swear I'll stop 10 times and ask them "what was I saying?" People must think I'm nuts! So I just avoid having conversations all together. I've been feeling like this for a few months now, and I don't know what to do either. I totally understand where your coming from, I feel you on this. At least I know I'm not alone.

dixon
05-12-2004, 01:31 PM
Hi i understand ur distress - and i can understand u seeking help here, but what u wont find here is a diagnosis or a cure - go to ur doctor CONVINCE him ur having problems (because you obviously are.) you may not need drugs - occupational therapy or counselling may help you.

spreeville
05-12-2004, 02:58 PM
Try not to entertain the 'bipolar' comments, your moodswings are on a day by day basis, and that doesn't even come close to what they would be if you were bipolar. You may have a mild form of Social Anxiety Disorder. I go through periods where I'm very forgetful, and it's usually when I'm under a ton of stress. A couple of years ago, I put some food in the microwave for dinner, then about 20 mins. later my dad tells me my food has been sitting in the microwave for some time, but I don't remember even making anything, I remember now years later, but not then.
Don't start to worry about something being wrong with your brain, you're just gonna cause yourself more anxiety and make things worse. You don't have to take meds, don't listen to any doctor who wants to immediately put you on them either. There are other ways.

Ruth6:11
05-13-2004, 03:09 PM
Just a reminder that unfortunately there are many types of Bipolar Disorder...
Some, like hypomania, rapid-cycling, cyclothymia, mixed (or "dysphoric") give a much different Up/Down pattern than Classic Bipolar I or Bipolar II.
The original writer will not know for sure if they have a chemical imbalance or not until they are actually diagnosed, so I'd hate to tell her to rule anything out right off the bat...
My personal opinion is that someone who has one disorder can be forgetful on top of that. Meds can do that too, are you on any medications now Dannica??
Let us know how you're doing.

Dannica
05-13-2004, 03:46 PM
Hi,
No. Im not on any medicine right now. And i really dont want to be, because i went to my primary doc awhile ago he put me on Paxil and just said i was a little stressed out. Well, the paxil gave me anxiety. So , i stopped taking it. I forget on a daily basis, under stress or not under stress. Now this morning i was totally going crazy over nothing ,before i went to work. Just angry for no reason. I went to put gas in my car and the first guy who looked at me i gave him a bad look. Then minutes later driving into work, i felt fine again. I think music helps me alot too. I know its weird,but that affects my mood too. Hondadoll, i m relating with you. Seriously, im the same way, i usually cry because i feel so messed up in the head. I just hope i can find out whats wrong with me, i guess i just really need support from other people who can understand me.

Ruth6:11
05-13-2004, 04:31 PM
Paxil isn't a good medication for people with Bipolar disorder. It's in a class called SSRI's and can intensify the "Up" side.
There are also some Personality Disorders that have more of an "anger" part to them than Bipolar does.
If you can keep up with your "mood journal" it may be more helpful than anything else -
I have classic Bipolar. If I didn't have medication I'd have maybe 2 depressions a year and 1 big out of control "High". I'm also pretty forgetful so I know how that feels by the way.
(Except mine is probably because I'm old enough to be going thru menopause & I'll bet that's not your problem!)

msjava
05-13-2004, 05:12 PM
Hi there! I was reading this, and I was thinking "Did I write this?" It sounds just like me. I think it is ADD or ADHD. I think I have that , I have all the symptoms that you had mentioned. My son has it too.Go to a doctor and get checked out. Good Luck! :bouncing:

spreeville
05-14-2004, 01:54 AM
There may be different variations of bipolar, but from what she's told us at least, it doesn't even sound close.

The mind is a very powerful thing, and so is anxiety. I've suffered from it for 21 years, and I still do. After running into dead end after dead end, I decided to study psychology on my own, then went to school for it to better understand and to help myself. I was on Paxil too, and did not want to be on medications at all. I feel there are other ways to deal with this once it is recognized.

I notice things more so now. When something's bothering me and causing me anxiety, like getting test results for example, it will not only bring on anxiety, but it will bring on loads of other symptoms like forgetfulness, extreme anger, lack of concentration, abnormal gait, and wild mood swings, but that doesn't mean I'm bipolar. Anxiety can cause just about every physical/mental/emotional symptom you can think of.

Dannica,

I've often felt like you. I know how incredibly frustrating it can be to feel the way you do. But don't worry, things will get better once you get an official diagnosis. Sounds a little like something is bothering you deep down inside, something you may not notice, but that's why you have to dig for it.

bluesnowflake
05-14-2004, 05:47 AM
Dannica, asking anonymous people for a diagnosis of you describing a mood is not all that useful. However, asking people around you to list certain moods and reactions they have seen you partake in is much more detailed, and if you relate those to your doctor or to people on here, we might have a better understanding of you. I for one NEVER noticed how impulsive I was until I confronted people about their observations of me. Most people are terrible self observers. Thats just one tip that may help you with a proper examination of your problem.

I think for now, you should focus on trying to help yourself- through relaxation techniques, including breathing. I have a history of panic attacks, my mother has a severe social anxiety disorder, and breathing is number one with both degrees of anxiety. When you feel anxious, irritated, angry or like crying, take slow, deep breaths. I do counts of 8- I start with a count of one, so I breath in one, out one, then I breath in on two counts, breath out two counts, I continue this up until 8. My panic attacks used to last hours, now they are minutes. You should think about the actual breath, feel the air realign your system, it REALLY helps. I also close my eyes while I am doing this.

Another thing you should try is talking out the situation- whether its outloud or in your mind. For example, getting angry instantly and for no reason- the more you do it, the easier it becomes. Next time you catch yourself in an insta anger mode, physically stop what you are doing, ask yourself what could possibly be so terrible about this situation, (even if it IS terrible, you must convince yourself that its not worth the anger you feel). Justify the context of your anger- if you are annoyed that a person cut you off, yeah, be annoyed, but then realize you can't do anything about it so let it be. And then forget about it.

When you find yourself being avoidant of people, leave yourself alone. Don't work yourself up because you realized you don't want to be around people- some times this will happen, and until you find someone that will help you and possibly reccommend medication, you shouldn't really fight it. The situation can lead to hysteria or paranoia. Of course, assuming you are not severe, let yourself mildy socialize with them for a few minutes, see how it goes, and retreat if you feel uncomfortable still. This is not normal, and you should see a doctor if this occurs.

You have a problem with worrying about things that you can't change, you need to start thinking in opposite terms- realize the extent of the situation- how much of an impact will it have on you in the future? Whether in 2 minutes or 2 years, I doubt there will be any reason to think about it as much as you are.

Realize we are all human, you are very much included in this definition. We all think we are dumb sometimes, we all think of better things to say later, we all lose our keys all too often! I am the most forgetful person I know- I am distracted by way too many things. I find it amusing that I can go to my car to go somewhere and not remember where I was going. It's incredibly frustuating, and that grocery store example? Happens all the time. In fact, I leave work to pick something up that I need- the specific reason I would leave the store, and then come back later and realize I never even went to the right store, let alone picked the right thing up. I can have something in my HAND and realize what its there for! Middle of conversations I have no idea what we are talking about. I laugh and joke and say 'hey, thats why I am blonde'! But I can understand your frustration with everything, its very difficult to percieve yourself in a bright light when people around you are telling you otherwise (ex. your mother). You must remember though that with perserverence, you can work with this, you will be able to enjoy a highly functionable life.

Before relying on medication and a diagnosis, you must re-evalute your thinking patterns. It is VERY easy to be stuck with routine thoughts of negative self awareness, all too common to start expecting yourself to act 'abnormal' and then instantly reacting to that preconcieved thought. Please talk to your friends about their observations, do not react, just listen and make a list. It is VERY helpful when you approach someone for help.

How do you usually feel before up coming events? Example- a visit from a friend, going shopping, leaving work, etc.

blue

apinecone
05-15-2004, 11:15 AM
I think this is a very constructive thread-- everyone has been providing useful info/feedback. Hope my perspective can add something +, too. Mine focuses on the 'forgetfulness' aspect, which seems to be a significant self-awareness issue in this case. My take on this is based on my own experience, AD[H]D Dx, and study/learning; please don't take this as my implying you have ADD but that the nature of ADD hopefully can shed some light on how it and related 'disorders' "work", to the extent that that can be helpful to you.
There is a great book "Driven to Distraction" (highly recommend), the title of which well-captures the problem, I think: A main characteristic/symptom of ADD is being highly distractable, and the book gets at the underlying reasons for this, which is where the 'driven' comes from. There are various views on root causes, but one that seems to be fairly well accepted is that distractability in the case of ADD is because the mind has difficulty in 'filtering' out various if not all inputs, or streams of consciousness (sensory, emotional, mental, ...) and thus has a tendency to get 'distracted' by one or the other, typically to the detriment of the person, since it is typically work or a class at school or the task at hand which is what is getting distracted from. This is often said to be a lack of concentration or ability to concentrate. A typical symptomatic reaction is fidgetiness, hyperactivity, etc. Another is the counter-reaction known as "hyper-focusing', in that it takes extra if not super-concentration to 'stay on track' or 'on task', so to speak.
It also tends to engender short-term memory problems, since the 'track' that your mind is [was] on gets distracted, sort of side-tracked or hijacked even, by these other competing input streams (which are often ALOT more interesting, or at least pre-occupying than the subject at hand [eg. class, food shopping,etc. ;) ]. This is typical if not necessary with ADD-- and related 'disorders'-- , since it is pretty much 'normal' to consider various inputs to assess them and determine how best to deal with them. But it is 'abnormal' to the extent that 'normal' people don't seem to have this problem, or at least as much, or at least to the extent that it significantly affects one's behavior and experience continually in a mostly and chronically negative way.

One view of the underlying cause of this might be interesting to you. It is that while one is thinking, or at least dealing with these various input streams, one's mind/brain is remembering or storing them, at least short term-- the translation to medium- or long-term memory happens over time and apparently with other parts of the mental machinery than the one that has the most problem in ADD, which is the short-term part. In this, there is a natural tendency to put the very distractions into short term memory, which, when you play these back, like to 'remember' where your keys are, or why you came to the store, or whatever, turns out to have been literally hijacked or distracted into the very track that the original thread got sidetracked to! :eek: Sometimes, for example, if the distraction went into say, a daydream or something, there can be a serious disconnect. Or if there are number of things that you are concerned about that are simultaneously competing for your mind's attention and to the 'distraction' of the task at hand-- like work or class or going to the store-- then you can literally STAY distracted. This is often called being 'preoccupied'. In severe cases, apparently 'abnormal', disordered cases, this can be manifest itself as OCD-- perhaps it's the other way around, though, in that the OCD engenders the behavior not the other way around. [One insidious variant of this is when mind gets into a kind of endless loop; if there is a serious underlying psycho-pathology, then, well, well, I won't go there now, OK? :bouncing: ]
But I hope you can relate to what I'm talking about at this point if this distractability-type-thing happens to you in general. For me, it was quite enlightening and explained a lot of my (and others') behavior and experience. In the book, there's a passage to the effect that 'the diagnosis is often the better part of the cure' in that just KNOWING about how this works; affects one's behavior, relationships, and experiences; and can be worked with through behavioral techniques [please check out cognitive behavior therapy [CBT] for non-med approaches]-- well, just knowing about it can go a long way towards or at least facilitate therapy.
There's ample evidence that meds can help alot but also [read the boards, here] that they have their issues and a lot of folks would rather avoid them if possible, but then again, there's ample evidence that there can be serious if not tragic consequences for NOT getting the right meds early enough in the progress of a disorder, so I have a lot of respect for this part and recommend the same to you (and everybody). So, therefore, I think that this requires a rigorous diagnosis through a qualified doc, if not more than one, since this area is difficult to Dx and Rx. I know this can be a $$ problem but the important part I think is that you realize that it is really important to get more knowledge, reach out, get help-- expert help as necessary and you can get access to-- but maybe most important set your mind to getting on top of. Boards like this encourage me that there's help out there! And best wishes along the way! :wave:





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