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Baz
06-01-2004, 11:58 AM
Aneurysm's run in my family so as a precaution I got checked out and unfortunately they found one. Its 3mm and cannot be coiled due to its shape. However clipping should be straightforward. I've been told that there is a 2.5% chance that I may die, and a 2.5% chance that I may suffer from stroke like symptoms afterwards, if I have the surgery. The chances of the aneurysm bursting are given at 2-3% per year. I have also being told that if all goes well, I should be back at work after six weeks.

My surgeon recommends surgery. I'm 35, fit and healthy.

Anyone got any thoughts/comments? Anyone been down this road before?


Thanks!

Baz.

mayansun
06-01-2004, 12:41 PM
I don't have an answer, but they just found a 5mm in my head and I have appt with neurosurgeon tomorrow and neurologist on June 14th. They couldn't quite tell shape from CT scan but it looks as though it may be a candidate for coiling with similar percentage risks and I am going to have to make the same choice as you which I don't envy and I wish you all the patience, strength and courage in the world to decide this. I am 27 and also healthy.

hypokelly
06-01-2004, 06:39 PM
hello Baz and Mayansun,
I'm sorry to hear about your problem and good luck with your decisions, I think if I had to make that choice I would choose the surgery, only because I would be a basket case worrying that it would burst. I have been a bit of a basket case lately,as I have not been well for awhile so my doc sent me for tests to rule out MS,anyway to make a long story short they found a "promient bulge" in my head, possible aneurysm or clot.This was discovered with a ct scan.I was then scheduled to see a neuro to do a cerebral angiogram which was cancelled after my MRIs'(one with contrast)
Apparently the MRIs' did not find the "bulge".I am still going to see a neuro next month, but I feel kind of confused, why did the Cat scan see The"bulge" but the MRI didn't. What seems to stick out in my mind is that the doc said (after the Ct scan) " go for theMRI anyway, but the CT scan is a better diagnostic tool for this problem,MRI are better for diagnosing MS OR other brain related diseases" so if this is the case,why are we believing the MRI over the Cat scan.
Every pain I get in my head I get really worried, sorry to go on and on but as soon as I seen your post I thought you could shed some light.
Good luck with your decisions.

Baz
06-02-2004, 03:41 AM
Thanks folks. Mayansun - please let me know how you get on with neurosurgeon tomorrow. Thanks!

mayansun
06-02-2004, 11:29 AM
Baz,

I certainly will. Did you have an angiogram done first by which they determined that coiling wasn't an option? I think that is my next step so that they have a better idea of what they are dealing with. My gut instinct is to get it out rather that risk rupture but I am going to see a neurologist in addition to the surgeon as I think it is good to have that balance so I would suggest you doing so as well if you haven't already.

I guess it comes down to risk v. your ability to live with knowing it is there and something could happen. I'm not sure I can do that but we'll see what he has to say and I'll be back tomorrow to let you know.

Baz
06-03-2004, 03:59 AM
Yea I had an angiogram. The radiographer said there and then that it could'nt be coiled. I went to see the neurosurgeon a couple of weeks later and he confirmed it. I'm not seeing a neurologist though - what do they do?

mayansun
06-03-2004, 12:06 PM
Baz,

I saw the neurosurgeon yesterday (and also a surgeon who primarily does coiling). They said they had a pretty good view of the aneurysm without an angiogram and that it could be a candidate for coiling. I was told the risk with surgery for stroke or serious complications was 5% and given a similar percentage in terms of risk per year of rupture.

Both surgeons suggested the craniotomy due to my age (meaning how long I will have to live with this and the data is better for this prodecure as they are still learning about the other), the location of my aneurysm (at the fork of the artery which means more direct pressure and possible complications of coiling).

To me, the up front risks of surgery are better that the longterm risks of not knowing what could happen and risking rupture. I am utterly scared every day and scared about the possible risks of surgery but given the information I have it is the best choice I think I can make so I have informed the doctor that I want to schedule surgery as soon as possible to know that it will then be over and I get on with other things.

A neurologist studies the brain and nervous system but is not a surgeon and it was suggested to me by a family friend that I meet with one prior to having any surgery just to get their thoughts. In addition, I have been experiencing other symptoms unrelated to this, dizziness, some tingling in my feet etc.

Baz
06-03-2004, 12:13 PM
How did your aneurysm come to be found? Is there any family history?

mayansun
06-03-2004, 04:39 PM
Nope, no family history to speak of (at least none that anyone has that have ruptured but none of my immediate family have ever had head MRI's so there is always that possibility.

I insisted on the head MRI due to my unexplained dizziness, and tingling and was concerned about tumors or MS. I'm also having headaches more often that are consistently on one side of my head but may or may not be directly related to the aneurysm. So I'm glad I had the test done, it may not tell why the other things are happening--though I do have lots of anxiety over all of this which can wreak havoc so I am on pills to calm (no need to raise the blood pressure).

I really hadn't even considered this as a possibility until they found it. I have surgery scheduled for 6/22 and that seems like forever to wait and they are going to see if there is anything soon but since they don't seem to think it is an emergency then I just have to take things one day at time.

Have you come any closer to making a decision?


To the other poster: as CT v MRI I don't know what to think if somethign shows on one not the other. I had a possible abnormality on an abdominal CT but nothing on the MRI and haven't had further pain so they are not pursuing it. Based on what the doctors have told me the CT may be slightly better at detecting smaller abnormalities with vessells and such but I would suggest a second opinion if you are still concernced and have conflicting results.

Baz
06-03-2004, 04:42 PM
I'll probably have the surgery. What have u been told re recovery? How long should it take etc Can u drive?

mayansun
06-03-2004, 04:52 PM
The other factor was the success rate of these surgeries (upwards of 90% ) and the long-term prognosis for complete "cure" of the aneurysm. Since you too are pretty young at 37 and it good overall physical health it would seem they are giving us similar suggestions due to our hopeful long life expectancy.

The Dr. told me overnight in ICU and probably 2-3 stay in the hospital (god-willing no complications) and perhaps a week or so of rest and relax at home to give everything a chance to heal and then back to the office in 10 days to remove stitches but at that point should be able to return to work but probably not any strenuous activity and such. I didn't ask about driving (I commute to work by public transit) but that probably depends on any pain medications or temporary vision problems that may result. I've been reading about other folks experience and some are out 6 weeks and others only 10 days so it just depends.

My philosophy is to not rush anything as I am subjecting my body to an awful lot. I'm sure it is hard for them to gauge until they see how you make out. I will have an appt 1 week prior to surgery for lab tests and such to make sure I'm ok to handle it and will probably ask all my lingering questions at that point now that I"ve made the choice but they folks at the hospital have been super nice and understanding of my anxiety and quest for information.

Baz
06-04-2004, 03:40 AM
Mayansun

If you're going to be back in work in a week or two then you must be having your aneurysms coiled. I am having mine clipped and have been told I wil be out for six weeks due to the fact that my skull will have to be opened slightly.

mayansun
06-04-2004, 11:51 AM
Nope,

I am having them clipped, perhaps I misunderstood them. I will call today to verify that as I know my employer has short-term disability which covers 11 weeks of sickness after 15 days so I think it would be ok but I have read stories from other people who were up and going sooner that that, I don't know.

Baz
06-16-2004, 11:58 AM
Got a call at 4.30pm today to know if I could go into hospital this evening as a bed has come free. I had to turn it down - it was too sudden. The surgeon told me that I'd get a week or two notice. Not only have I got work to consider (cos I'll be out for six weeks), but wife and family too. Hopefully I'll get more notice next time but I'll try to be ready with a contingency plan just in case.

mayansun
06-21-2004, 03:52 PM
Baz,

I wish you the best. My surgery is tomorrow, have to be at the hospital at 5:30am but I'd rather just get in and get it done. I still don't have an answer for how long I might be out of work--they all say it depends on how everything goes and how recovery goes so I won't be upset if it takes longer and I'm certainly not going to rush it. I don't have a family depending on me but I don't like to miss work or be laid up.

Anyway, Take care!

Baz
06-22-2004, 03:32 AM
Best of luck - let me know how you get on!

Baz
07-02-2004, 10:59 AM
Just got the call to go for my own op next Tuesday 6th June....will keep y'all posted!

Baz
07-13-2004, 07:10 AM
Well I've had my op - all went perfectly apparently. I'm home now having only spent six nights in hospital. I've got a nice big 6/7 inch horse shoe shaped scar on my head. This is behind the hairline thankfully. I'm tired and have to take it easy for the next six weeks. All things considered, it was'nt too bad.

mayansun
07-13-2004, 11:38 AM
Baz,

Glad to hear all went well. I am now 3 weeks post op, spent 5 nights in the hospital and 2 weeks at home in bed or on the couch. I am back to work part time (working 4 hours a day then going home to rest) and easing off the morphine and dilantin which does make me feel better. Are you on meds? My incision is pretty big too but even after 3 weeks and with the stitches out it is looking pretty good, hair has started to grow back but I'm still wearing hats.

I've had some headaches and some other things like chest pain, swollen glands but doctors can find anything serious wrong with me and my stomach has been upset (anxiety and meds) but all in all it has gone well and I am grateful for no serious complications or such.

I wish you the best in your recovery.

Baz
07-13-2004, 01:42 PM
I'm home since yesterday (Monday) but am not confined to bed or couch. I'm well able to potter around the house and make a cup of tea or a sandwich. The only side affect I have is the occassional mild headache. I'm on no medication at all. I've been told to take it easy over the next 4/6 weeks and I can't drive untill my six week check up with the consultant. I won't be going back to work for six weeks either though I feel fine. I had staples in my head to hold the incision together. These were all removed on Monday before I left the hospital.

Mayansun - what exactly did you have done? I was having elective surgery on a 3mm unruptured cerebral aneurysm. My head was cut open from the front to my ear (U-shaped), and a titanium clip was placed on the aneurysm to prevent it ever rupturing (brain haemorrage).

Baz.

mayansun
07-16-2004, 11:07 AM
Baz,

That is what I had done. I had morphine to take home with me though the pain wasn't too bad and I am now off that. They have me on Dilantin for 6 weeks as a precaution to prevent seizures, they said they put all patients on it due to the intrusion to the brain but I guess not everyone has this. Be glad you don't, it makes me feel crappy and I'm looking forward to getting off of it in 2 weeks and will hopefully not have any complications from it. I have a similar scar that is looking better every day and rarely have headaches and they are eased with just tylenol (they were much worse before surgery). The other stuff is likely a result of my ongoing anxiety.

Glad your surgery went so well and recovery is looking good too!

Baz
07-18-2004, 01:21 PM
Mayansun

It sounds like your well on the road to full recovery. as a matter of interest - how big was your aneurysm?


Baz.

mayansun
07-19-2004, 10:17 AM
Baz,

Well I'm not entirely sure, the ER told me it was 5mm, but when I had my initial consult with the surgeon he said more like 7mm or 8 at the outside but my discharge report says 6mm. I guess it depends on the angle. So not huge but not small and the surgeon told my family when he came to let them know I was ok said he was glad I had it clipped because the walls were very thin and it had a small blister which made it rather precarious....I could have been very close to a rupture and that thought scares me and does make me thankful that this was found.

Right now I'm fixated on chest pains I've been having for about a week and of course scared about my heart. I have seen my doctor and have had 2 normal EKG's and at 27 am at very low risk for any heart problems--but I can't help thinking it. After all I could have missed this and what's to say I wouldn't miss something else....a viscous cycle right now..........

 
 
 




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