Godisgood
06-09-2004, 01:20 PM
Hey guys the moderator said she closing out our old thread tomorrow because its too long... so I decided to start a new one.
I am sad that their closing that thread there was soo much info shared.
Kar..I'm not sure of the name. But you mentioned using ThreeLac...I really don't know if I have Canadia...the symtoms I have are Fecal or farty breath...horrible body odor and bad gas... I am doing a no sugar and no refined carbs diet...I'm 4 days into it. I notice a change in the overall taste in my mouth but not real change in the smell.
How long did she use the ThreeLac...until she it was gone?
I am sad that their closing that thread there was soo much info shared.
Kar..I'm not sure of the name. But you mentioned using ThreeLac...I really don't know if I have Canadia...the symtoms I have are Fecal or farty breath...horrible body odor and bad gas... I am doing a no sugar and no refined carbs diet...I'm 4 days into it. I notice a change in the overall taste in my mouth but not real change in the smell.
How long did she use the ThreeLac...until she it was gone?
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BUSTED2
06-11-2004, 02:57 PM
Man, don't u get it? This isn't real. It can't be this way.
brandon48
06-11-2004, 07:43 PM
godisgood, hows the diet coming along? any results yet?
keep us posted, I enjoy your daily updates.
keep us posted, I enjoy your daily updates.
Godisgood
06-12-2004, 01:21 AM
Day Six
I had fish broccoli and cashews for dinner... 8 classes of water..at least for the day(I'm very proud of myself..haha). Brandon...its not going as well as I thought. There is a difference in taste in my mouth but my tongue still feels the same...rough, dry and smelly. To be honest I think both my breath and body odor is getting worse. I had an orientation I had to go to today... and I wanted to see if there was a difference in people's reaction. NOPE. I got soo sad about not seeing any results I decided to buy some wheatgrass...just to help move everything along.
I don't know...its only day six...but I just feel like if sugar and carbs are the problem why isn't there any improvement.
Brandon...thanks. Its hard to stick to this...everyone else at home are able eat whatever they want and I can't.
Pigman...I know you said that your breath was completely gone by the 3rd week...but did you experience any inprovment before then. A change in taste, feel of tongue..anything?
I had fish broccoli and cashews for dinner... 8 classes of water..at least for the day(I'm very proud of myself..haha). Brandon...its not going as well as I thought. There is a difference in taste in my mouth but my tongue still feels the same...rough, dry and smelly. To be honest I think both my breath and body odor is getting worse. I had an orientation I had to go to today... and I wanted to see if there was a difference in people's reaction. NOPE. I got soo sad about not seeing any results I decided to buy some wheatgrass...just to help move everything along.
I don't know...its only day six...but I just feel like if sugar and carbs are the problem why isn't there any improvement.
Brandon...thanks. Its hard to stick to this...everyone else at home are able eat whatever they want and I can't.
Pigman...I know you said that your breath was completely gone by the 3rd week...but did you experience any inprovment before then. A change in taste, feel of tongue..anything?
Pigman
06-12-2004, 04:16 PM
No I didn't see results in my breath till after three weeks. If you are still getting cravings then the problem is still there. Your still eating meat though(fish) like I said on the third week I quit eating meat fish, chicken, turkey, beef then a couple days later my bad breath was gone but I'm not sure if it was that or other things I started doing because I'm eating some beef every once and a while now and I'm still fine. I think the main thing is just that I'm finally digesting my food better by taking enzymes and two tablespoons of apple cider vinegar before every meal and I'm not drinking anything 1/2 hour before or an hour and a 1/2 after I eat because it dilutes your stomach acid so food doesn't digest which will cause bad gas, which I always had before. Hopefully you ordered the ultra zyme plus or GOL's Omegazyme. Stick in there you should see good results just quit eating foods that cause you problems like if you notice your breath gets bad after eating it or gives you bad gas. If your gonna try the apple cider vinegar it's pretty harsh but I think the benifit is worth it.
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tamtam25
06-13-2004, 05:42 AM
hello pigman, great to know that you are still having the problem under control.
actually i would like to ask you how you check your own breath for smell cos i have always found this to be difficult. the traditional cup hands and breath methods is hardly accurate and sometimes i realise that even though my mouth feels and looks clean and my tongue pink and without coating, i still smell quite bad.
also, do you found that your breath smells bad before meals in the morning, like if you skip breakfast, do you find that it smells very bad?
thanks.
actually i would like to ask you how you check your own breath for smell cos i have always found this to be difficult. the traditional cup hands and breath methods is hardly accurate and sometimes i realise that even though my mouth feels and looks clean and my tongue pink and without coating, i still smell quite bad.
also, do you found that your breath smells bad before meals in the morning, like if you skip breakfast, do you find that it smells very bad?
thanks.
BUSTED2
06-13-2004, 07:02 AM
actually i would like to ask you how you check your own breath for smell cos i have always found this to be difficult. the traditional cup hands and breath methods is hardly accurate and sometimes i realise that even though my mouth feels and looks clean and my tongue pink and without coating, i still smell quite bad.
The traditional cup hands method isn't very good e.g. when someone has just washed his hands with some soap. I suggest u do it with something that has no smell.
My question:
What's the best way to know if you've got candida or not? I mean if someone's got a white coating it's doesn't necessarily mean that he's got candida, right?
The traditional cup hands method isn't very good e.g. when someone has just washed his hands with some soap. I suggest u do it with something that has no smell.
My question:
What's the best way to know if you've got candida or not? I mean if someone's got a white coating it's doesn't necessarily mean that he's got candida, right?
Pigman
06-14-2004, 02:13 AM
Best way I have found is to lick the back of your hand and smell sometimes you have to let it dry then smell it before you can tell. If you check again later in the day make sure you wash that part of your hand first because you could pick up some of the smell from the first time you licked it.
Busted2: Do a few searches on Candida symptoms see if most of them match the problems you're having then you might have candida. I'm not sure if there is a test a doctor can give you to determine if you have it.
Busted2: Do a few searches on Candida symptoms see if most of them match the problems you're having then you might have candida. I'm not sure if there is a test a doctor can give you to determine if you have it.
Godisgood
06-15-2004, 11:31 AM
Pigman
I stopped everything....I know. Everything was going fine...my cravings stopped at day 2...I stop taking the bovine cartilage and msm...they were causing me stomach pain everytime I took a pill. I'm still taking the enzymes. Pigman...I completey cut out everything for almost five days I wasn't eating anything but...beans and quinoia...that gave me extreme gas. I decided to add fish on the 6th day (friday) They said it was ok to eat that... saturday I went out and had the leftover fish. But let me say...the taste in my mouth was different...but the smell and my body odor remained...and just as strong. Sunday I woke up...extremely weak...I could barely make it to the kitchen...I had to eat something...I hadnt cooked anything...and the rest is history.
Pigman It really felt as if the smell was gone...from the taste in my mouth..but I still got reactions from my breath and body odor.
I'm going to by the threelac canadia defense...and start from there. Pigman go easy on me...I'm already beating myself up.
I don't know what to do anymore.
I stopped everything....I know. Everything was going fine...my cravings stopped at day 2...I stop taking the bovine cartilage and msm...they were causing me stomach pain everytime I took a pill. I'm still taking the enzymes. Pigman...I completey cut out everything for almost five days I wasn't eating anything but...beans and quinoia...that gave me extreme gas. I decided to add fish on the 6th day (friday) They said it was ok to eat that... saturday I went out and had the leftover fish. But let me say...the taste in my mouth was different...but the smell and my body odor remained...and just as strong. Sunday I woke up...extremely weak...I could barely make it to the kitchen...I had to eat something...I hadnt cooked anything...and the rest is history.
Pigman It really felt as if the smell was gone...from the taste in my mouth..but I still got reactions from my breath and body odor.
I'm going to by the threelac canadia defense...and start from there. Pigman go easy on me...I'm already beating myself up.
I don't know what to do anymore.
tamtam25
06-15-2004, 03:59 PM
hello godisgood, you mentioned that it seemed like the taste is gone from your mouth but the smell is still there. well, i have that kind of experience sometimes. at times, you know that your breath stinks because you can feel it in your mouth and on your tongue, but sometimes it seems like there is nothing wrong and your mouth feels clean but there is still the smell, often even stronger than usual. i get that especially when i wake up in the mornings before breakfast.
i think maybe the smell doesn't really come directly from the mouth, in other words, it is not a mouth problem. i think it may be a digestive problem that leads to pH imbalance and other imbalances elsewhere in the body which causes an overgrowth of bacteria that in turn causes the problem. and depending on what you have been doing or eating, the imbalances in different parts of the body will differ from time to time, which is why at certain times the mouth will be fine, but it does not mean that the rest of the body is.
so maybe when you are just starting on a good diet, the mouth cleaning up is a first sign that changes are taking place, but since the rest of the body is still haywire, it may take a longer while for us to completely get rid of the smell. which is why people like pigman who have pressed on long enough have gotten great success. cheers.
this is only my own theory which i think fits a number of different medical theories of bad breath i have read, both western and chinese. some aspects may appear to contradict certain accepted facts put forth by the scientific world, such as how dr katz and others keep insisting that bb has nothing to do with the stomach. i might also choose to believe this if i was him, but the truth is his theory has many missing links, such as why there would be a sudden unexplained proliferation of bacteria in the mouths of some people but not others.
feel free to contradict my opinion, but the message is KEEP AT IT.
i think maybe the smell doesn't really come directly from the mouth, in other words, it is not a mouth problem. i think it may be a digestive problem that leads to pH imbalance and other imbalances elsewhere in the body which causes an overgrowth of bacteria that in turn causes the problem. and depending on what you have been doing or eating, the imbalances in different parts of the body will differ from time to time, which is why at certain times the mouth will be fine, but it does not mean that the rest of the body is.
so maybe when you are just starting on a good diet, the mouth cleaning up is a first sign that changes are taking place, but since the rest of the body is still haywire, it may take a longer while for us to completely get rid of the smell. which is why people like pigman who have pressed on long enough have gotten great success. cheers.
this is only my own theory which i think fits a number of different medical theories of bad breath i have read, both western and chinese. some aspects may appear to contradict certain accepted facts put forth by the scientific world, such as how dr katz and others keep insisting that bb has nothing to do with the stomach. i might also choose to believe this if i was him, but the truth is his theory has many missing links, such as why there would be a sudden unexplained proliferation of bacteria in the mouths of some people but not others.
feel free to contradict my opinion, but the message is KEEP AT IT.
Pigman
06-15-2004, 05:20 PM
Godisgood:Well I told you it was hard I did the same thing you did. Like I said you would be very weak and have huge cravings. If you use Threelac along with this diet it will speed the process up very fast. The only problem is threelac will make it seem like the problem is gone but if you continue to eat those bad foods it won't be cured it will just be covered up. I use Primal defense It's speeding up my recovery a lot but since I've only been sugar free for a couple months I'm gonna give it another month or two before I try any fruit. Which is no problem because my cravings are completely gone now. You were eating to much beans lol thats what caused all the gas. The main foods I found that didn't make my breath bad were brown rice, spelt, kamut and millet
Things that I believe cured me: First of all no sugar in any form or refined carbs. High potency enzymes I heard Pancreatic enzymes are better so I got those too "NOW" makes the best ones I've seen. Apple cider vinegar (raw and unfiltered)/Betaine Hydrochloride. I mainly have a couple mouthfuls of the ACV before I eat meat but if I'm eating out I'll take the betaine but it gives me a headache. Spry gum and mints these are made with xylitol which helps to actually fight the bacteria rather than cause it. Then Primal defense to help the body to recover, Threelac would probley be better but I already bought a case of Primal.
If you want a quick fix to cover it up while you get the will power to change your diet. Then Threelac, enzymes and Spry gum(100% xylitol gum) will do a pretty good job at it.
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Things that I believe cured me: First of all no sugar in any form or refined carbs. High potency enzymes I heard Pancreatic enzymes are better so I got those too "NOW" makes the best ones I've seen. Apple cider vinegar (raw and unfiltered)/Betaine Hydrochloride. I mainly have a couple mouthfuls of the ACV before I eat meat but if I'm eating out I'll take the betaine but it gives me a headache. Spry gum and mints these are made with xylitol which helps to actually fight the bacteria rather than cause it. Then Primal defense to help the body to recover, Threelac would probley be better but I already bought a case of Primal.
If you want a quick fix to cover it up while you get the will power to change your diet. Then Threelac, enzymes and Spry gum(100% xylitol gum) will do a pretty good job at it.
:wave:
lovinglife00
06-15-2004, 08:24 PM
Hello-
I agree that the bad breath is coming from the inside of the body in most cases. I've been using Corsodyl mouthwash and changed my diet to NO carbs and NO sugar and my BB went away by about 50% and has been gone for about 1 week or so. Well...I slipped and ate beeferoni (carbohydrate) the past two days and today I went to a job interview. WELL the BB returned all of a sudden at the interview!!! I was so embarrassed! I know it was the carbs because before the interview I used Colloidal Silver, Goldenseal, and Echinacea in my mouth to make SURE it was clean and OMG the BB came back when I got anxious at the interview. Well, that's it for carbs. No more carbs, sugar, or dairy for me...EVER. Needless to say, I think the interviewer really liked me, but I was still soooo embarrassed. I was hating every minute although I appeared REALLY positive. Actually I have to take a lower level job because of the bad breath. So sorry for the long post guys...just had to vent. I really like this board because everyone understands...
I agree that the bad breath is coming from the inside of the body in most cases. I've been using Corsodyl mouthwash and changed my diet to NO carbs and NO sugar and my BB went away by about 50% and has been gone for about 1 week or so. Well...I slipped and ate beeferoni (carbohydrate) the past two days and today I went to a job interview. WELL the BB returned all of a sudden at the interview!!! I was so embarrassed! I know it was the carbs because before the interview I used Colloidal Silver, Goldenseal, and Echinacea in my mouth to make SURE it was clean and OMG the BB came back when I got anxious at the interview. Well, that's it for carbs. No more carbs, sugar, or dairy for me...EVER. Needless to say, I think the interviewer really liked me, but I was still soooo embarrassed. I was hating every minute although I appeared REALLY positive. Actually I have to take a lower level job because of the bad breath. So sorry for the long post guys...just had to vent. I really like this board because everyone understands...
Godisgood
06-15-2004, 10:51 PM
Today I had such a bad day. Someone made a point of letting me know that I had bad breath...and infront of everyone. I just feel sooo sad. Sometimes I really really really hate myself. I don't know what to do anymore. Changing my diet doesn't help high priced products don't help. I came back home so upset...I almost broke up out in tears right there. I didn't I waited until I was home.
Pigman...I plan to stay away from sugar and refined carbos... but I just felt soo bad Sunday. I plan on ordering the Threelac...has anyone use the it with any results? And has anyone heard of Dioxirinse?
I'm just feeling really alone!
Pigman...I plan to stay away from sugar and refined carbos... but I just felt soo bad Sunday. I plan on ordering the Threelac...has anyone use the it with any results? And has anyone heard of Dioxirinse?
I'm just feeling really alone!
tamtam25
06-16-2004, 01:25 PM
godisgood and other guys, do you all have thick tongue coatings and a sticky feeling on your tongues?
actually i wanted to suggest that seeing a chinese doctor, one that practises traditional chinese medicine. i have doing alot of research on it and i realised that bb is a recognised symptom in traditional chinese medicine that indicates a certain abnormality in the body that can be corrected. it may take a while and you have to be certain to find an experienced and qualified doctor, but i think it's worth a try.
actually i wanted to suggest that seeing a chinese doctor, one that practises traditional chinese medicine. i have doing alot of research on it and i realised that bb is a recognised symptom in traditional chinese medicine that indicates a certain abnormality in the body that can be corrected. it may take a while and you have to be certain to find an experienced and qualified doctor, but i think it's worth a try.
lovinglife00
06-16-2004, 08:33 PM
Hi TamTam-
I think you're on to something because I heard that CHinese Bitters and/or Swedish Bitters helps alot with bad breath. Both are for digestion and I've heard that BB can come from incomplete or bad digestion plus yeast in the body. I haven't tried the Chinese or Swedish Bitters though.
I think you're on to something because I heard that CHinese Bitters and/or Swedish Bitters helps alot with bad breath. Both are for digestion and I've heard that BB can come from incomplete or bad digestion plus yeast in the body. I haven't tried the Chinese or Swedish Bitters though.
petey1
06-17-2004, 01:18 AM
Hello everyone. I am new to this so I hope I am doing this right.
I have had bad breath for at least the last 7 years that I am sure of. I have been reading all the posts over the last several weeks. I have tried many of the breath rinse:Pro Fresh, Thera breath, Breeze, Oxyfresh and Breath appeal. None of these worked for me. I even got on a plane and flew to the Pro Fresh Clinic. With the plane fare, hotel and clinic fees, I spent over 700 dollars and about 250 dollars at the Oxyfresh clinic in my home town. I have also tried other remedies that did not work. Trying to find a cure for my bad breath has been expensive and exhausting.
I feel I have the worst kind of breath. The kind that can be smelled from several feet away. The reactions I get from people is terrible. At work I am on the phone a lot talking to clients. I have noticed my co-worker who sits behind me has started spraying air freshner every time I get off the phone from talking. When I realized what she was doing, I felt devastated.
I would like to thank every one for all the great information. The information Pigman has given has been really helpful to me. I feel I have many of the symptoms of Candida. I have ordered The Healing Power Of Whole Foods and will start the diet soon.
I'm sorry this post was so long; It just feels a relief to communicate with others who understand. Thanks and If I have success with anything I will let you all know.
I have had bad breath for at least the last 7 years that I am sure of. I have been reading all the posts over the last several weeks. I have tried many of the breath rinse:Pro Fresh, Thera breath, Breeze, Oxyfresh and Breath appeal. None of these worked for me. I even got on a plane and flew to the Pro Fresh Clinic. With the plane fare, hotel and clinic fees, I spent over 700 dollars and about 250 dollars at the Oxyfresh clinic in my home town. I have also tried other remedies that did not work. Trying to find a cure for my bad breath has been expensive and exhausting.
I feel I have the worst kind of breath. The kind that can be smelled from several feet away. The reactions I get from people is terrible. At work I am on the phone a lot talking to clients. I have noticed my co-worker who sits behind me has started spraying air freshner every time I get off the phone from talking. When I realized what she was doing, I felt devastated.
I would like to thank every one for all the great information. The information Pigman has given has been really helpful to me. I feel I have many of the symptoms of Candida. I have ordered The Healing Power Of Whole Foods and will start the diet soon.
I'm sorry this post was so long; It just feels a relief to communicate with others who understand. Thanks and If I have success with anything I will let you all know.
sourgrapes
06-17-2004, 02:59 AM
The traditional cup hands method isn't very good e.g. when someone has just washed his hands with some soap. I suggest u do it with something that has no smell.
My question:
What's the best way to know if you've got candida or not? I mean if someone's got a white coating it's doesn't necessarily mean that he's got candida, right?
The hand cupping to check for BB doesnt work at all, dont rely on that as a detector. licking on the back of the wrist is not a real detector as well.
BUSTED: best way to check if you have candida is once you wake up in the morning, fill a clear glass with luke water, collect a good amount of saliva and then spit into the glass of water. let the cup sit for a while, come back in about 30min-60min(unsure of the time frame) to look for any strings stringing down or your saliva floating on top. if you see this then it means you have candida. this test method is available on the internet.
LOVINGLIFE00: I know its difficult eating without carbs. I still eat it but only to a minimum, I mean, how are we going to live if our body doesnt consume any carbs, everything has carbs: pasta, bread, cereal, rice, grains, etc. I was thinking of ordering Chinese bitter and the mouthwash last week to see if it will work. i'll let you know how it goes.....i'm trying to be hopeful but not estactic for a good result. I like what you said about, if you try every possibility then you can at least tell yourself that you have done this and done that to find a cure.......it was a motivator to me. I thought I had tried alot of things and sacrificed alot of things but when I hear what other people have done I feel like I havent done enough.
anyhow, chow guys.
My question:
What's the best way to know if you've got candida or not? I mean if someone's got a white coating it's doesn't necessarily mean that he's got candida, right?
The hand cupping to check for BB doesnt work at all, dont rely on that as a detector. licking on the back of the wrist is not a real detector as well.
BUSTED: best way to check if you have candida is once you wake up in the morning, fill a clear glass with luke water, collect a good amount of saliva and then spit into the glass of water. let the cup sit for a while, come back in about 30min-60min(unsure of the time frame) to look for any strings stringing down or your saliva floating on top. if you see this then it means you have candida. this test method is available on the internet.
LOVINGLIFE00: I know its difficult eating without carbs. I still eat it but only to a minimum, I mean, how are we going to live if our body doesnt consume any carbs, everything has carbs: pasta, bread, cereal, rice, grains, etc. I was thinking of ordering Chinese bitter and the mouthwash last week to see if it will work. i'll let you know how it goes.....i'm trying to be hopeful but not estactic for a good result. I like what you said about, if you try every possibility then you can at least tell yourself that you have done this and done that to find a cure.......it was a motivator to me. I thought I had tried alot of things and sacrificed alot of things but when I hear what other people have done I feel like I havent done enough.
anyhow, chow guys.
sourgrapes
06-17-2004, 03:40 AM
Today I had such a bad day. Someone made a point of letting me know that I had bad breath...and infront of everyone. I just feel sooo sad. Sometimes I really really really hate myself. I don't know what to do anymore. Changing my diet doesn't help high priced products don't help. I came back home so upset...I almost broke up out in tears right there. I didn't I waited until I was home.
I'm just feeling really alone!
I'm so pissed off!!! I just wrote you a paragraph and clicked submit but it brought me back to the sign in page and I lost everything I had wrote to you.
this better not happen again when I click the button. anyhow, I'll be short and sweet. I cant believe how callous that person was. he/she is obviously uneducated, uncultured, and not brought up right. I know you must of felt smaller than the size of a pea that day, but believe me when I say, I'am sure the people who heard what that person said to you was viewed as the pea instead. they were probably thinking, what a **** he/she is. i'm sorry you had to go through that, hope you feel better. :wave:
I'm just feeling really alone!
I'm so pissed off!!! I just wrote you a paragraph and clicked submit but it brought me back to the sign in page and I lost everything I had wrote to you.
this better not happen again when I click the button. anyhow, I'll be short and sweet. I cant believe how callous that person was. he/she is obviously uneducated, uncultured, and not brought up right. I know you must of felt smaller than the size of a pea that day, but believe me when I say, I'am sure the people who heard what that person said to you was viewed as the pea instead. they were probably thinking, what a **** he/she is. i'm sorry you had to go through that, hope you feel better. :wave:
tamtam25
06-17-2004, 04:11 AM
hello lovinglife, i read about chinese bitters for bb on a site by julia chang and apparently it has worked for her. but i think she is not really a qualified chinese doctor so it might be better for us to consult an experienced one. also, chinese doctors generally do not use just one herb to treat their patients. their medicine is often a combination of herbs and is unique for each individual.
tamtam25
06-17-2004, 04:15 AM
BUSTED: best way to check if you have candida is once you wake up in the morning, fill a clear glass with luke water, collect a good amount of saliva and then spit into the glass of water. let the cup sit for a while, come back in about 30min-60min(unsure of the time frame) to look for any strings stringing down or your saliva floating on top. if you see this then it means you have candida. this test method is available on the internet.
yeah i read about that too but i think it's not only when you see strings coming down from the top that you have candida. if i am not wrong, there can also be some cloudy suspensions in the middle of the water or some cloudy chalky stuff sinking to the bottom. these would indicate candida too. i am not exactly sure what you should see, i just remember there are 3 things that all indicate candida. do a check on the net.
yeah i read about that too but i think it's not only when you see strings coming down from the top that you have candida. if i am not wrong, there can also be some cloudy suspensions in the middle of the water or some cloudy chalky stuff sinking to the bottom. these would indicate candida too. i am not exactly sure what you should see, i just remember there are 3 things that all indicate candida. do a check on the net.
BUSTED2
06-17-2004, 05:46 AM
Wouldn't it be better if Candida would also kill me? At least I won't have to worry about about all this crap anymore.
AsTallAsLions
06-18-2004, 02:41 AM
has anyone with bad breath ever been cured? :/
BUSTED2
06-18-2004, 07:45 AM
No one ever got cured. There's almost nothin to do about it. Me I'm just waitin till it ends. I hope it won't take to long.
Pigman
06-18-2004, 11:36 AM
I just want to inform everyone that a few weeks ago that I posted that my bad breath was gone from following the candida diet in the book "The Healing Power Of Whole Foods". Here I am a few weeks later and doing even better. Now I noticed that some of you want to eliminate carbs probley from a bad experince. I have been doing fine with whole grain carbs mainly from the grain family. Except I avoid all the main allergens(wheat, oats, milk, eggs, chicken, nuts, soy) till I get myself in to a doctor for a food allergy test. Thats all I do though basically I'm just avoiding all kinds of sugar, fruit, caffine, and alcohol. In the past week I started taking my primal defense again and it helps a lot.....sorry gotta go
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AsTallAsLions
06-18-2004, 02:10 PM
that's ridiculous. in order to beat this thing the only solution is to eat differently for the rest of my life? i'm 18.
tamtam25
06-18-2004, 02:52 PM
there is a method for checking breath smells that i think works better than most others. it's like you try to hold your breath for a while, and then you breath into a clean glass and smell. i dunno if anyone else thinks this method is accurate.
lovinglife00
06-18-2004, 10:01 PM
Pigman-
Sorry I forgot. :-(
Weren't you taking MSM and Bovine Cartilage at some point? Do you think that those helped with the BB? And along with the "Healing Power Diet", Apple Cider Vinegar, and Digestive Enzymes, Primal Defense,Spry gum, and Betaine Hydrochloride was there anything else you are taking? (Just making sure I didnt leave anything else out since your original post is in their archives. (No hydrogen peroxide, baking soda, or anything else...???)
Sorry for asking again... Thanks in advance for the reply. :-)
Sorry I forgot. :-(
Weren't you taking MSM and Bovine Cartilage at some point? Do you think that those helped with the BB? And along with the "Healing Power Diet", Apple Cider Vinegar, and Digestive Enzymes, Primal Defense,Spry gum, and Betaine Hydrochloride was there anything else you are taking? (Just making sure I didnt leave anything else out since your original post is in their archives. (No hydrogen peroxide, baking soda, or anything else...???)
Sorry for asking again... Thanks in advance for the reply. :-)
TheRanger
06-19-2004, 05:26 AM
Busted, AsTallAsLions,
Man, do I agree with you. What the hell is there to do anymore? I've tried all these diets, online products and special homeopathic remedies to absolutly no avail. I always have BB. It's never a matter of it being completely gone, just decreased in intensity for how ever many minutes. The only thing that has even provided this temporary "relief" (if you want to even call it that), is the gargling of hydrogen peroxide - something that six months in to a routine makes me feel as if I'm doucing my inner mouth with potent mixtures of flammable oil. It's simply BS. I'm questioning why [if] some higher power "bestowed" upon me this beautiful gift. Whoever it was, has a sick sense of humour. All too often the people who haven't experienced this disregard the situation. They think it's a little garlic breath, or just 24/7 morning breath here and there. If only they could truly understand how dispicable and unbearable it is.
Let me tell you, i've come across many sites that either have, or deal primarily with, resources to help this type of situation. I've virtually lost all trust in the commercial websites that promote products that "neutralize" what we deal with every second of our lives. Plain and simple, there are FAR too many people out there trying to make money off of what we endure. Therabreath this, oxyfresh that, halifresh BS. When I was a young and naive little kid first dealing with this problem, I wasted so much money on that *****. All it did was pit myself deeper into isolation, and help some fat cat enjoy a new mercedes all while still being treated as a sick, dirty, unclean freak of human nature.
It's funny too...I won't deny, it's not difficult to see that this is a rant, plain and simple. I've always been the kind of guy who's against these little tirades, seeing as how they do nothing productive for the speaking party. I always prefer to help people at any chance I get, but what fuc*ing help can I even offer when I don't know how to fix this. There has to be more to life than this. It has to get better. Christ, I'm a 2nd year college student, and in all those semesters I have been to maybe 5 classes, all of which were required for group participation, and all of which I either got the lowest passing grade possible, or failed, due to complaints that people were "stuck" with someone who "always forgot to shower". I swear the next time i'm forced into a situation where I have to speak to someone, or where I have to be in a closed area with a group of people who can smell me at the other end of a room, it's over. BB wins. I lose.
I know all of you will look at this post in the exact same manner I used to look at them as well. So be it. Add one to the many who look at us as socially inept, physically unclean individuals. I can just wish all of you going through the same thing good fortune, in hopes that the future holds better promise than what the past has chosen to presented us already.
Man, do I agree with you. What the hell is there to do anymore? I've tried all these diets, online products and special homeopathic remedies to absolutly no avail. I always have BB. It's never a matter of it being completely gone, just decreased in intensity for how ever many minutes. The only thing that has even provided this temporary "relief" (if you want to even call it that), is the gargling of hydrogen peroxide - something that six months in to a routine makes me feel as if I'm doucing my inner mouth with potent mixtures of flammable oil. It's simply BS. I'm questioning why [if] some higher power "bestowed" upon me this beautiful gift. Whoever it was, has a sick sense of humour. All too often the people who haven't experienced this disregard the situation. They think it's a little garlic breath, or just 24/7 morning breath here and there. If only they could truly understand how dispicable and unbearable it is.
Let me tell you, i've come across many sites that either have, or deal primarily with, resources to help this type of situation. I've virtually lost all trust in the commercial websites that promote products that "neutralize" what we deal with every second of our lives. Plain and simple, there are FAR too many people out there trying to make money off of what we endure. Therabreath this, oxyfresh that, halifresh BS. When I was a young and naive little kid first dealing with this problem, I wasted so much money on that *****. All it did was pit myself deeper into isolation, and help some fat cat enjoy a new mercedes all while still being treated as a sick, dirty, unclean freak of human nature.
It's funny too...I won't deny, it's not difficult to see that this is a rant, plain and simple. I've always been the kind of guy who's against these little tirades, seeing as how they do nothing productive for the speaking party. I always prefer to help people at any chance I get, but what fuc*ing help can I even offer when I don't know how to fix this. There has to be more to life than this. It has to get better. Christ, I'm a 2nd year college student, and in all those semesters I have been to maybe 5 classes, all of which were required for group participation, and all of which I either got the lowest passing grade possible, or failed, due to complaints that people were "stuck" with someone who "always forgot to shower". I swear the next time i'm forced into a situation where I have to speak to someone, or where I have to be in a closed area with a group of people who can smell me at the other end of a room, it's over. BB wins. I lose.
I know all of you will look at this post in the exact same manner I used to look at them as well. So be it. Add one to the many who look at us as socially inept, physically unclean individuals. I can just wish all of you going through the same thing good fortune, in hopes that the future holds better promise than what the past has chosen to presented us already.
BUSTED2
06-19-2004, 11:30 AM
Hey Power Ranger. Let me tell ya somethin funny: At school they complain about that i don't make eye contact when I talk to someone. Funny **** huh?
AsTallAsLions
06-19-2004, 03:20 PM
what do your guys' tongues look like?
Dear Maggie
06-19-2004, 03:56 PM
There are some exposures to chemcials .... especially like those in paints, laquers, cleaning and degreaser products that could be too much for someone AND then be expelled through one's breath.
So before you can get rid of bad breath, you have to determine why you have bad breath? There are toxins in one's body they can be expelled through the breath ... but if you are being exposed to too much ethylene glycol monobutyl ether (2-butoxyethanol) for instance, you must STOP exposure immediately as it causes the 'gulf war syndrome' symptoms
One post here commented that your bad breath was changing your personality. Yes, this is part of what this chemical does: central nervous system damage expressing itself as 'fly off the handle over nothing' etc
Yes, this chemical can be exposing others through 2nd hand solvent exposure ... even little children can get it ... spouses. Look up info on the gulf war syndrome topics here 'n there
So before you can get rid of bad breath, you have to determine why you have bad breath? There are toxins in one's body they can be expelled through the breath ... but if you are being exposed to too much ethylene glycol monobutyl ether (2-butoxyethanol) for instance, you must STOP exposure immediately as it causes the 'gulf war syndrome' symptoms
One post here commented that your bad breath was changing your personality. Yes, this is part of what this chemical does: central nervous system damage expressing itself as 'fly off the handle over nothing' etc
Yes, this chemical can be exposing others through 2nd hand solvent exposure ... even little children can get it ... spouses. Look up info on the gulf war syndrome topics here 'n there
Godisgood
06-19-2004, 04:48 PM
Sourgrapes
Thank you soo much for you post. I tend to come across the most insensitve people. I just felt completely embarrassed and small. I couldn't respond because I felt soo bad about myself...and how can you respond to something thats true. I really don't haye anyone to talk to about this so it was even harder...no one seems to understand what I mean by bad breath. But thank you sooo much
Buster and Ranger and I completely understand you frustration! I have never ever had a day without bad breath. nothing I've tried has ever gotten rid of it...only reduce it but the odor remains the same.
I've looked into the ThreeLac...its seems like a scam...so I've decided not to buy it. I stopped taking the bovine...and MSM...I get sharp pains in the stomach. But I'm still taking HCL with protein meals..digestive enzyems with all means lots of water and Zinc for the body odor..which I don't think is doing anything...but who knows.
My sister had dinner with someone who was able to diagnose a problem that traditional doctors have been unable to find. So I asked my sister to get me her number and I plan to make a visit...we'll see. Maybe she can tell me what I'm eatting or not eatting thats causing the odor.
Sourgrapes thank YOU! You know was I realized... I realized that I'm a very hopeful person...but ultimately...I'm very sad. And until this odor leaves...the saddness will stays!
Thank you soo much for you post. I tend to come across the most insensitve people. I just felt completely embarrassed and small. I couldn't respond because I felt soo bad about myself...and how can you respond to something thats true. I really don't haye anyone to talk to about this so it was even harder...no one seems to understand what I mean by bad breath. But thank you sooo much
Buster and Ranger and I completely understand you frustration! I have never ever had a day without bad breath. nothing I've tried has ever gotten rid of it...only reduce it but the odor remains the same.
I've looked into the ThreeLac...its seems like a scam...so I've decided not to buy it. I stopped taking the bovine...and MSM...I get sharp pains in the stomach. But I'm still taking HCL with protein meals..digestive enzyems with all means lots of water and Zinc for the body odor..which I don't think is doing anything...but who knows.
My sister had dinner with someone who was able to diagnose a problem that traditional doctors have been unable to find. So I asked my sister to get me her number and I plan to make a visit...we'll see. Maybe she can tell me what I'm eatting or not eatting thats causing the odor.
Sourgrapes thank YOU! You know was I realized... I realized that I'm a very hopeful person...but ultimately...I'm very sad. And until this odor leaves...the saddness will stays!
TheRanger
06-19-2004, 04:54 PM
Hey Power Ranger. Let me tell ya somethin funny: At school they complain about that i don't make eye contact when I talk to someone. Funny **** huh?
Yes, simply hilarious.
I sense that you have a lot of growing up to do Busted, and trust me, it all gets worse. Look forward to it. It's the only way it won't ruin your life, just as it's done to so many others.
Yes, simply hilarious.
I sense that you have a lot of growing up to do Busted, and trust me, it all gets worse. Look forward to it. It's the only way it won't ruin your life, just as it's done to so many others.
Pigman
06-19-2004, 07:12 PM
Lovinglife: Yeah I'm still taking the bovine and MSM. The only thing is I quit taking betaine and use Apple cider vinegar instead. Also one more thing I do that helps with digestion alot is to not drink any liquids with food it dilutes your stomach acid. So I don't drink within a half hour before I eat and an hour or two after depending on how big the meal was. I take my supplements with as little water as I can too, just enough to get the pills down my throat, but I'll drink 20-30 mins after I take them if I want.
I'm going down to see a dentist in tiajuana, mexico first thing in june to get my Amalgam fillings removed. I've read that they can cause all sorts of problems including the over growth of Candida so if I don't get them removed I would probably have to stay on a restricted diet for a longer period of time. I'll keep you all informed on my progress.
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I'm going down to see a dentist in tiajuana, mexico first thing in june to get my Amalgam fillings removed. I've read that they can cause all sorts of problems including the over growth of Candida so if I don't get them removed I would probably have to stay on a restricted diet for a longer period of time. I'll keep you all informed on my progress.
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lovinglife00
06-19-2004, 11:22 PM
Got it Pigman. Thanks! :-)
Vox
06-20-2004, 12:09 AM
Let me tell you, i've come across many sites that either have, or deal primarily with, resources to help this type of situation. I've virtually lost all trust in the commercial websites that promote products that "neutralize" what we deal with every second of our lives.
Just have to de-lurk to say: I couldn’t agree more!
I have BB for bout 5 years now.. did almost everything I could.. Tonsillectomy, dentist check-up, gastroesophageal reflux test, Allergy test, acupuncture, Chinese dr./herbs, nasal spray Nothing help. My post nasal drip is so serve that I sometimes get chock when I’m lying down. Anyone know how to combat this? TIA
Just have to de-lurk to say: I couldn’t agree more!
I have BB for bout 5 years now.. did almost everything I could.. Tonsillectomy, dentist check-up, gastroesophageal reflux test, Allergy test, acupuncture, Chinese dr./herbs, nasal spray Nothing help. My post nasal drip is so serve that I sometimes get chock when I’m lying down. Anyone know how to combat this? TIA
Vox
06-20-2004, 12:16 AM
serve
it's - severe -
it's - severe -
Vox
06-20-2004, 12:19 AM
i was surfing the net just now and i came across a site of a chinese traditional doctor called Dr Bo Kui Feng
Hi tamtam,
do u happen to live in SE Asia? i ask because tats where i'm from..
Hi tamtam,
do u happen to live in SE Asia? i ask because tats where i'm from..
BUSTED2
06-20-2004, 06:44 AM
Yes, simply hilarious.
I sense that you have a lot of growing up to do Busted, and trust me, it all gets worse. Look forward to it. It's the only way it won't ruin your life, just as it's done to so many others.
Hey Ranger how old are you? I don't think I will make it till then. I'll probably be dead or something for trying to fly.
I sense that you have a lot of growing up to do Busted, and trust me, it all gets worse. Look forward to it. It's the only way it won't ruin your life, just as it's done to so many others.
Hey Ranger how old are you? I don't think I will make it till then. I'll probably be dead or something for trying to fly.
AsTallAsLions
06-20-2004, 07:00 AM
tonight i actually tried avocado for the first time and was shocked at what occured. it did seem to clear the coating up on my tongue, although, i'm not sure if it helped with my bb. i've heard avocado mentioned before on this site and i remember a guy was eating it for lunch every-other-day, but does anyone know why he didn't eat it everyday? anyways, i know for a fact i can beat this. it all comes down to the science of it. first, what is causing it? i know i haven't had this all my life...it just seemed to come out of no where this part year and a half. second, why are some treatments working but then wearing off? what specific ingrediants are in these remedies that are even causing this temporary relief? i don't know...i haven't really tried many treatments so far. but listen to this, i went to my doctor when i had a really bad sore throat and he gave me penicillin which helped a lot. i remember for those two weeks my bb was literally GONE. but as soon as i got off the drugs it came back almost instantly. i just wish someone out there could give me some sort of hope to grab onto. it's pretty disheartening when the entire thread is nothing but negative results. oh well...keep posting everyone.
Dear Maggie
06-20-2004, 08:40 AM
Sore throat is in itself a sign of too much of some kind of chemical exposure.
What have you done differently in the past year and a half? See if there is any chemical that you are being exposed to.
If you also had a fatigue set in at that point in time, then suspect 2-butoxyethanol unless the doctor knows the cause of the fatigue; but if you have been diagnosed with CFIDS or CFS or are a 'gulf war vet' with unknown causes of fatigue, then this same chemical can be expelled through your breath
You will have to stop the exposure before the bad breath will stop, in that case
What have you done differently in the past year and a half? See if there is any chemical that you are being exposed to.
If you also had a fatigue set in at that point in time, then suspect 2-butoxyethanol unless the doctor knows the cause of the fatigue; but if you have been diagnosed with CFIDS or CFS or are a 'gulf war vet' with unknown causes of fatigue, then this same chemical can be expelled through your breath
You will have to stop the exposure before the bad breath will stop, in that case
Vox
06-20-2004, 08:44 PM
yes i live in se asia.
S'pore?
S'pore?
brandon48
06-21-2004, 04:19 AM
hi all,
Not much new for me to report. I'm almost finished with my corsodyol mouthwash, it may have helped a bit but not as much as I had hoped. I'm still on Primal Defense, 12 tablets a day for about two months. They say 90days at the highest amount to see results, so I'll keep it up. I had to quit the neti pot, it was causing blood in one nostril. Don't know if it was from the salt or just the water, but I quit doing it. I'm still taking some supplements daily also (chlorella, chlorophyll, caprilic acid). I have noticed the last few weeks my mouth not tasing so bad constantly, but it still comes back.
I was the one doing the avocado lunch to who was asking a few pages back. I don't remember why I was only eating it every other day, at the time I did a bunch of research on it and that's what I came up with. There's a lot of info out there on the healing powers of avocado, I still try and eat some a few times a week.
I wish I had better news to report.
Not much new for me to report. I'm almost finished with my corsodyol mouthwash, it may have helped a bit but not as much as I had hoped. I'm still on Primal Defense, 12 tablets a day for about two months. They say 90days at the highest amount to see results, so I'll keep it up. I had to quit the neti pot, it was causing blood in one nostril. Don't know if it was from the salt or just the water, but I quit doing it. I'm still taking some supplements daily also (chlorella, chlorophyll, caprilic acid). I have noticed the last few weeks my mouth not tasing so bad constantly, but it still comes back.
I was the one doing the avocado lunch to who was asking a few pages back. I don't remember why I was only eating it every other day, at the time I did a bunch of research on it and that's what I came up with. There's a lot of info out there on the healing powers of avocado, I still try and eat some a few times a week.
I wish I had better news to report.
tamtam25
06-21-2004, 06:02 AM
yes i live in se asia.
however the website that i have posted belongs to a doctor in america.
no, not singapore. when you said se asia, did you mean southeast asia, cos in that case that's not where i am. i am in asia. i thot the se meant something else.
however the website that i have posted belongs to a doctor in america.
no, not singapore. when you said se asia, did you mean southeast asia, cos in that case that's not where i am. i am in asia. i thot the se meant something else.
Vox
06-21-2004, 08:50 PM
no, not singapore. when you said se asia, did you mean southeast asia, cos in that case that's not where i am. i am in asia. i thot the se meant something else.
ahh... tot we can hookup to discuss further :))
ahh... tot we can hookup to discuss further :))
Casie
06-21-2004, 09:02 PM
Well I usually get on here to rant and complain when I feel low. I did want to get on and to The Ranger:
I have tried your method of gargling with the baking soda and Hydrogen Peroxide, along with water in the morning/night. All I can say is, I am Not completely sure the BB is gone, but my mouth feels so good. I think all of us know that have BB, our mouth feels nasty and tastes crappy. I can usually tell my mouth is exhausting fumes of BB. But After gargling a few times, my mouth feels neutralized and all day too, not just masking like other mouthwashes. Even after lunch and coffee, it feels great. I have more confidence at work and talking with people... I have not noticed anyone backing up or putting their hands to their noses.
So I suggest this to all, and its a $2.00 expense which another bonus! If anyone else tries this combination... do it a few times in the morning laying on the bed like Ranger suggested, spending at least 10-20 minutes. Oh, and please reply and let me know if anyone else agrees that this makes your mouth feel 20 times better
Thanks!
I have tried your method of gargling with the baking soda and Hydrogen Peroxide, along with water in the morning/night. All I can say is, I am Not completely sure the BB is gone, but my mouth feels so good. I think all of us know that have BB, our mouth feels nasty and tastes crappy. I can usually tell my mouth is exhausting fumes of BB. But After gargling a few times, my mouth feels neutralized and all day too, not just masking like other mouthwashes. Even after lunch and coffee, it feels great. I have more confidence at work and talking with people... I have not noticed anyone backing up or putting their hands to their noses.
So I suggest this to all, and its a $2.00 expense which another bonus! If anyone else tries this combination... do it a few times in the morning laying on the bed like Ranger suggested, spending at least 10-20 minutes. Oh, and please reply and let me know if anyone else agrees that this makes your mouth feel 20 times better
Thanks!
AsTallAsLions
06-22-2004, 02:48 AM
^ does your tongue look clear?
TheRanger
06-22-2004, 03:12 AM
Casie, good to hear it's helping.
I could easily qualify as one of the worst BB cases on this earth, and it has provided me with tremendous relief. keep it up, the longer you continue the 5-15 minutes 3 stage gargling sessions, the better your results will be. Remember, various sessions are important, as h202 converts to non cleansing products very quickly in a mouth plagued with BB. numerous exposures is the most important part of the process.
I could easily qualify as one of the worst BB cases on this earth, and it has provided me with tremendous relief. keep it up, the longer you continue the 5-15 minutes 3 stage gargling sessions, the better your results will be. Remember, various sessions are important, as h202 converts to non cleansing products very quickly in a mouth plagued with BB. numerous exposures is the most important part of the process.
Pigman
06-22-2004, 04:15 AM
AsTallAsLions:The reason things only work for a while is because the bacteria/fungus will build up resistance to it. When you took the antibiotics it kills off all those bad guys causing the problems and bad breath, but it kills the good guys too. Thats why when you quit taking it the bad breath comes back cuz the bad bacteria will grow out of control before the goods ones can restablish. Even if you kept taking those antibiotics sooner or later they would start to be immune to them. You most likly have an overgrowth of Candida, like I did and I'm still fighting, which causes bad breath.
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AsTallAsLions
06-22-2004, 02:39 PM
casie, ranger,
do you guys think you could post the exact measurements (e.g. 1/2 cup, 1/4 cup, etc.) of this supposed relief solution?
do you guys think you could post the exact measurements (e.g. 1/2 cup, 1/4 cup, etc.) of this supposed relief solution?
Pigman
06-22-2004, 05:31 PM
Brandon48: I think you should try eliminating all forms of sugar from your diet for at least 8 days while on the primal Defense. Your bad breath should clear up by at least 80% by day 8 if you totally avoid all sugar (even fruit) and refined carbohydrates (white bread, pasta), whole grain bread and pasta is fine. This works for me but I also don't drink alcohol or caffine which is also recomended to not consume. Just a thought, I know it seems like a big step but I'm willing to do anything to keep this beast under control.
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lovinglife00
06-22-2004, 07:33 PM
Brandon48: I think you should try eliminating all forms of sugar from your diet for at least 8 days while on the primal Defense. Your bad breath should clear up by at least 80% by day 8 if you totally avoid all sugar (even fruit) and refined carbohydrates (white bread, pasta), whole grain bread and pasta is fine. This works for me but I also don't drink alcohol or caffine which is also recomended to not consume. Just a thought, I know it seems like a big step but I'm willing to do anything to keep this beast under control.
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Pigman-
In your last message you stated you can eat whole grains and pasta? But it looks like you also stated to Brandon that Pastas are not ok to eat...just a little confused... Help Pigman!!! :-)
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Pigman-
In your last message you stated you can eat whole grains and pasta? But it looks like you also stated to Brandon that Pastas are not ok to eat...just a little confused... Help Pigman!!! :-)
Pigman
06-22-2004, 09:14 PM
Refined pastas (white flour) are bad, but you can eat whole grain pastas, if you are allergic to wheat then try spelt Spaghetti or other whole grain pastas. You can find these at most health food stores.
lovinglife00
06-23-2004, 01:10 AM
Got it. Thanks. :-)
Pigman
06-23-2004, 06:23 PM
Just checking up on that baking soda, peroxide, and water mouthwash a couple of you are using. It sounds promising because more than one person has had a good experince with it. Also someone asked if it makes your tounge clean too, and I never saw a answer so I was wondering about that. Has anyone else tried the spry gum or mints? I would say my diet has cleared up 90% of my bad breath and the Spry gum and mints take care of the rest. I perfer the mints over the gum they seem to help a lot more.
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Casie
06-23-2004, 09:48 PM
Hi guys! Sorry for delay in answer... I only get on here every few days..
As for the Hydrogen Peroxide Mixture... I have been putting it an a cotainer that has measure markings on it, However much I mix, I put about 3/4 Hydrogen Peroxide and 1/4 water. Then I just put about two teaspoons baking soda in and shake it up. I add baking soda every other day, to produce some bubbling action. On the H2O2 bottle, it even says it can be used to rinse in mouth, so I felt better about putting in my mouth, I was a bit hesitent at first.
As for my tongue, it is as pink as ever. Although, my tongue hasn't been white-coated in the past that much. BUT I always had the BB. I still don't know if its gone completely, but my mouth feels great all day after gargling for about 10 minutes in the morning and at night.
I do agree though, after eating sugars/carbs in quantity, my BB seems to multiply in intensity. Trying to change my diet, its hard though!
Pigman, where can I get Spry gum and mints? Never heard of them...
Please let me know what you think of the H2O2 mixture! Anyone else who tries it, let me know as well!
As for the Hydrogen Peroxide Mixture... I have been putting it an a cotainer that has measure markings on it, However much I mix, I put about 3/4 Hydrogen Peroxide and 1/4 water. Then I just put about two teaspoons baking soda in and shake it up. I add baking soda every other day, to produce some bubbling action. On the H2O2 bottle, it even says it can be used to rinse in mouth, so I felt better about putting in my mouth, I was a bit hesitent at first.
As for my tongue, it is as pink as ever. Although, my tongue hasn't been white-coated in the past that much. BUT I always had the BB. I still don't know if its gone completely, but my mouth feels great all day after gargling for about 10 minutes in the morning and at night.
I do agree though, after eating sugars/carbs in quantity, my BB seems to multiply in intensity. Trying to change my diet, its hard though!
Pigman, where can I get Spry gum and mints? Never heard of them...
Please let me know what you think of the H2O2 mixture! Anyone else who tries it, let me know as well!
AsTallAsLions
06-23-2004, 11:37 PM
thanks so much for your help casie. the only problem is, i don't know where to buy hydrogen peroxide.
TheRanger
06-24-2004, 04:45 AM
Im glad to hear the method is working for you asTall.
you can pick up hydrogen peroxide anywhere really.. walmart, zellers, any convenience store. Just ask a clerk.
you can pick up hydrogen peroxide anywhere really.. walmart, zellers, any convenience store. Just ask a clerk.
BUSTED2
06-24-2004, 06:07 AM
Can u also not put baking soda in it? Which means only 3/4 Hydrogen peroxide and 1/4 water.
Pigman
06-24-2004, 04:01 PM
I get my Spry gum and mints from xylitolnatural they have free shipping.
BTW, is that rinse still working good for you Ranger?
BTW, is that rinse still working good for you Ranger?
TheRanger
06-25-2004, 04:53 AM
Busted, check my post detailing the process of all of this on the last few pages of the first BB thread.
As for Pigman, it's still working as well it can be I guess. I have yet to find a way to completely cure it, but after many years, the multiple stage h202 process seems to work best for me. I sometimes also use a dropper to place this same solution into each of my nostrils, and just lean back and let it do it's thing. This also seems to provide some relief.
As for Pigman, it's still working as well it can be I guess. I have yet to find a way to completely cure it, but after many years, the multiple stage h202 process seems to work best for me. I sometimes also use a dropper to place this same solution into each of my nostrils, and just lean back and let it do it's thing. This also seems to provide some relief.
AsTallAsLions
06-25-2004, 02:36 PM
what do your guys' dentists say about your bb?
TheRanger
06-25-2004, 03:41 PM
After they sit me down and start working on me a while, they tell me to get up and brush my teeth in the sink. After that, I sit back down with absolutely no change in odor, only to have them put on their mask, finish as quickly as possible, and shut up with their superfluous "chat speak" (perhaps something good came out of this..). I have stopped going to the regular "teeth cleansing" dentists for 2 or so years now. They have absolutely no grasp on the situation, and certainly couldn't give a rats *** about how to fix the problem of the patient sitting infront of them. I brush at home enough to have gleaming white teeth and not a single cavity, so there is no point wasting their time and my money.
Pigman
06-26-2004, 05:26 PM
I'm with Ranger on that after they couldn't help me, actually told me that my gingivitis was uncureable, thats when I started to put my health in my own hands. I read lots of holistic health books and lots of information online. It pretty much comes down to figuring out what you have, in most of our cases I believe it's "Candida", but I have "Leaky Gut Syndrome" too. Then reading as much as you can to heal it with diet and supplements. Finding the right stuff to take and eat is the hard part but with enough research you will eventually find what is right for you.
Candida:
No sugar diet (not even one gram, this is very important) you will feel worse for the first week when not eating sugar these are just withdrawl symptoms, but it shows how much the sugar is affecting your body. High quality Probiotics.
Leaky Gut Syndrome:
Avoiding all foods that you are allergic too. There are tests that can determine these for you, or you can go on a "elimination diet". Glutamine, MSM, Bovine Cartilage, Bromelain, Skilled relaxation.
General:
Taking plenty of enzymes with each meal. Two tablespoons of apple cider vinegar if eating meat. Zinc, Vitamin B complex, Vitamin A. Use natural toothpaste(I use "Kiss My Face" brand). I don't use mouthwashes they always made my mouth feel worse. Spry mints seem to help with bad breath.
More things to try and make a habit: Don't drink a half hour before eating, and at least an hour after(two hours is best). Same with supplements take them with as little liquid as possible, no drink half hour before or half hour after. Some exercise helps the body a great deal too.
These are the only things I do and I'm cured of bad breath and other health problems are diminishing. It doesn't happen over night but just stick with it. It might take a month to see some results because the body is trying to heal itself. Good Luck! :wave:
Candida:
No sugar diet (not even one gram, this is very important) you will feel worse for the first week when not eating sugar these are just withdrawl symptoms, but it shows how much the sugar is affecting your body. High quality Probiotics.
Leaky Gut Syndrome:
Avoiding all foods that you are allergic too. There are tests that can determine these for you, or you can go on a "elimination diet". Glutamine, MSM, Bovine Cartilage, Bromelain, Skilled relaxation.
General:
Taking plenty of enzymes with each meal. Two tablespoons of apple cider vinegar if eating meat. Zinc, Vitamin B complex, Vitamin A. Use natural toothpaste(I use "Kiss My Face" brand). I don't use mouthwashes they always made my mouth feel worse. Spry mints seem to help with bad breath.
More things to try and make a habit: Don't drink a half hour before eating, and at least an hour after(two hours is best). Same with supplements take them with as little liquid as possible, no drink half hour before or half hour after. Some exercise helps the body a great deal too.
These are the only things I do and I'm cured of bad breath and other health problems are diminishing. It doesn't happen over night but just stick with it. It might take a month to see some results because the body is trying to heal itself. Good Luck! :wave:
Georgieboy
06-26-2004, 05:39 PM
I've been reading through this thread for a few days, and it's been a big help. Thank you! Like most of you I have digestion related BB, probably candida based. My breath is absolutely fine until I eat something bad, so I know it's nothing to do with my oral hygene which of course is excellent.
Some people have asked how you can test your own breath. I've just bought a brilliant (also cheap) electronic device that measures bad breath called Breath Alert. It seems to be very accurate as far as I can tell. Has anyone else tried it?
I'm trying the no sugar, low carb diet. Can anyone tell me if potatoes are all right? Also, did people get head-aches soon after cutting out sugar? Please reply!
Some people have asked how you can test your own breath. I've just bought a brilliant (also cheap) electronic device that measures bad breath called Breath Alert. It seems to be very accurate as far as I can tell. Has anyone else tried it?
I'm trying the no sugar, low carb diet. Can anyone tell me if potatoes are all right? Also, did people get head-aches soon after cutting out sugar? Please reply!
AsTallAsLions
06-26-2004, 06:01 PM
thanks pigman for all that valuable information. i'm sure it will help a lot of us out in this battle against bb. but do you know where we can purchase products such as spry gum and kiss my face toothpaste online?
katie29
06-27-2004, 05:17 AM
Hey folks,
Just to let ye know that I posted on a thread 'my tongue smell gone...a day I will never forget' under 'dental health' a few weeks back on how I cured my breath..literally in a matter of days..still think diet was the main issue but not sure..could have been some lack of vitamins or probiotics (the friendly bacteria). Have been really strict about the diet (broke out twice tho!!) and still taking most of the supplements I mentioned and now 90% of the time there is no odor from my breath at all! Woke up this morning with a taste and I know I had bad breath after a couple of glasses of wine last night and can even feel a PND but am after a pint of greent tea and some broccoli salad..its nearly ok again..altho I can still feel a taste on the back of my tongue! I have my daughter (8)plagued to smell my breath for me and have no taste in my mouth 90% of the time so am sure that I have found the solution that works for me. Also have since had an food senstivity test done by a kinesiologist...using an electronic machine that measures energy frequencies in your body..cost alot more than a regular test but I am sure its fairly accurate...and this is what turned up...wheat, refined sugar,all dairy except goats produce, tomatoes, mushrooms, beef, pork, and most nuts...which is interesting cos I eliminated all of these on my diet. Have now swithched to brown wholegrain rice as well and alternate between the white and brown. I also didnt mention before..as compared to the BB these were only minor problems...but I have noticed a huge difference in any other symptoms I had...my skin is perfect now...and I always...as far back as my early teens had acne (at least a few spots) on my chin. Psoriasias is almost gone! Have no PMT or period pains and generally feel 100% better! I know there was a lad here that said he was only 18 and could not imagine living life on a restricted diet but I can assure you that the benefits to be gained are enormous and to be honest most of the time it's not hard to do. And I was really really desperate to clear this up so it was a very very small price to pay. Old habits die hard and I still chew gum and back away talking to people in the pub and have the windows down all the way if Im giving someeone a lift in the car but its just something automatic I do now and not cos I need to! I really think its worth making the effort as I do not believe that something purely topical like a mouthwash will solve the problem for anyone who has a longstanding bb problem. And then again..everyones different. But all I can say is it is well worth a try because the quality of life I have now is just incomparable to before. I know its a cliché but I feel like a huge weight is gone from me! I can actually make plans and look forward to them without just worrying about how Im going to get thru the day or the weekend! And can even entertain the possibility of finding a partner again.. something I had also almost given up on. I feel alot of sadness on what Ive missed out on in my teens and in my 20s in the last few days but who says life doesnt begin at 30!!
Just to let ye know that I posted on a thread 'my tongue smell gone...a day I will never forget' under 'dental health' a few weeks back on how I cured my breath..literally in a matter of days..still think diet was the main issue but not sure..could have been some lack of vitamins or probiotics (the friendly bacteria). Have been really strict about the diet (broke out twice tho!!) and still taking most of the supplements I mentioned and now 90% of the time there is no odor from my breath at all! Woke up this morning with a taste and I know I had bad breath after a couple of glasses of wine last night and can even feel a PND but am after a pint of greent tea and some broccoli salad..its nearly ok again..altho I can still feel a taste on the back of my tongue! I have my daughter (8)plagued to smell my breath for me and have no taste in my mouth 90% of the time so am sure that I have found the solution that works for me. Also have since had an food senstivity test done by a kinesiologist...using an electronic machine that measures energy frequencies in your body..cost alot more than a regular test but I am sure its fairly accurate...and this is what turned up...wheat, refined sugar,all dairy except goats produce, tomatoes, mushrooms, beef, pork, and most nuts...which is interesting cos I eliminated all of these on my diet. Have now swithched to brown wholegrain rice as well and alternate between the white and brown. I also didnt mention before..as compared to the BB these were only minor problems...but I have noticed a huge difference in any other symptoms I had...my skin is perfect now...and I always...as far back as my early teens had acne (at least a few spots) on my chin. Psoriasias is almost gone! Have no PMT or period pains and generally feel 100% better! I know there was a lad here that said he was only 18 and could not imagine living life on a restricted diet but I can assure you that the benefits to be gained are enormous and to be honest most of the time it's not hard to do. And I was really really desperate to clear this up so it was a very very small price to pay. Old habits die hard and I still chew gum and back away talking to people in the pub and have the windows down all the way if Im giving someeone a lift in the car but its just something automatic I do now and not cos I need to! I really think its worth making the effort as I do not believe that something purely topical like a mouthwash will solve the problem for anyone who has a longstanding bb problem. And then again..everyones different. But all I can say is it is well worth a try because the quality of life I have now is just incomparable to before. I know its a cliché but I feel like a huge weight is gone from me! I can actually make plans and look forward to them without just worrying about how Im going to get thru the day or the weekend! And can even entertain the possibility of finding a partner again.. something I had also almost given up on. I feel alot of sadness on what Ive missed out on in my teens and in my 20s in the last few days but who says life doesnt begin at 30!!
AsTallAsLions
06-27-2004, 05:50 AM
katie29, i'm that "young lad" you spoke of in your post and i'm just curious as to what foods you actually eat on this miracle diet?
Pigman
06-27-2004, 05:12 PM
Spry gum and mints from xylitolnatural, but not sure on the toothpaste I buy it from the health store.
lovinglife00
06-27-2004, 08:43 PM
Hello Katie-
I previously read your original thread in the "tongue smell gone" category and am sooo happy for your success. Since I have read your original post, I have tried most everything (except the Trioral) you are using but for some reason, I am not having the same success as you are having. Sometimes my breath still is horrid. I can tell you that the fruit and veggie diet is getting really difficult. It seems I am eating the same thing everyday because there aren't that many veggies to choose from. Are you eating mostly the same veggies everyday? I am eating broccoli, Kale, collard greens, and lettuce. I choose between those. And have you started to eat any meat or any other carbs besides rice? Also, how do you find the time to take all the supplements? I need your advice on that because I am taking all the supplements in your post and I feel like I have to take a supplement or pill at least every hour. It is very demanding. Are you finding yourself taking supplements most of the day? And one last question... the 20 drops of Echinacea, are you taking that with water or do you take that alone?
So sorry for the millions of questions Katie. Just need your help :-) Thanks in advance for responding again and I am so happy for you! Keep us updated!
I previously read your original thread in the "tongue smell gone" category and am sooo happy for your success. Since I have read your original post, I have tried most everything (except the Trioral) you are using but for some reason, I am not having the same success as you are having. Sometimes my breath still is horrid. I can tell you that the fruit and veggie diet is getting really difficult. It seems I am eating the same thing everyday because there aren't that many veggies to choose from. Are you eating mostly the same veggies everyday? I am eating broccoli, Kale, collard greens, and lettuce. I choose between those. And have you started to eat any meat or any other carbs besides rice? Also, how do you find the time to take all the supplements? I need your advice on that because I am taking all the supplements in your post and I feel like I have to take a supplement or pill at least every hour. It is very demanding. Are you finding yourself taking supplements most of the day? And one last question... the 20 drops of Echinacea, are you taking that with water or do you take that alone?
So sorry for the millions of questions Katie. Just need your help :-) Thanks in advance for responding again and I am so happy for you! Keep us updated!
chriss22
06-27-2004, 11:34 PM
Hello everyone
Friday morning I tried the hydrogen peroxide method that was suggested and I noticed that the bubbling up on my tongue seemed to make it easier to scrape off the white coating on it, which I loved. But the only thing was that the rest of the day my throat was killing. I think the mixture might have been a little too strong for me. I used regular peroxide that I bought at a local drugstore (It said somewhere on the bottle 3%)and mixed it 3/4 peroxide and a little less than 1/2 cup water and a teaspoon of baking soda. I was wondering if anyone else had this problem. I don't know if maybe i just happened to get a soar throat that day and am confusing it w/the peroxide. Thanks
Friday morning I tried the hydrogen peroxide method that was suggested and I noticed that the bubbling up on my tongue seemed to make it easier to scrape off the white coating on it, which I loved. But the only thing was that the rest of the day my throat was killing. I think the mixture might have been a little too strong for me. I used regular peroxide that I bought at a local drugstore (It said somewhere on the bottle 3%)and mixed it 3/4 peroxide and a little less than 1/2 cup water and a teaspoon of baking soda. I was wondering if anyone else had this problem. I don't know if maybe i just happened to get a soar throat that day and am confusing it w/the peroxide. Thanks
AsTallAsLions
06-28-2004, 01:07 AM
i tried the hydrogen peroxide solution as well but did not have the sore throat problem. i found that the h2o2 did cure the bb, however, my tongue did not clear up all the way. i'm also sceptical whether or not this method is even safe. but for right now, it's the only thing that produces such great results.
BUSTED2
06-28-2004, 08:57 AM
Can u also not put baking soda in it? Which means only 3/4 Hydrogen peroxide and 1/4 water.
Busted, check my post detailing the process of all of this on the last few pages of the first BB thread.
I've read all ur posts but none answers my question. Thnx a lot anyways. I think I'm going to try it too if I can get some h²o² (3%). I feel like a rookie because I haven't tried many things yet. Somehow I'm also pretty sure that this won't work for me. At least I won't feel dissappointed if it doesn't work. I'm startin to hate everyone on school...Argghh...u guys don't give a ****. You were right Ranger. It can only get worse.
Busted, check my post detailing the process of all of this on the last few pages of the first BB thread.
I've read all ur posts but none answers my question. Thnx a lot anyways. I think I'm going to try it too if I can get some h²o² (3%). I feel like a rookie because I haven't tried many things yet. Somehow I'm also pretty sure that this won't work for me. At least I won't feel dissappointed if it doesn't work. I'm startin to hate everyone on school...Argghh...u guys don't give a ****. You were right Ranger. It can only get worse.
Georgieboy
06-28-2004, 09:17 AM
Are you all sure that the BB problem is mouth related? Therabreath seems to keep my mouth as clean as a whistle but when I eat something (usually after mid-afternoon) the BB can go crazy. If we've all got BB from the stomach, hydrogen peroxide ain't going to help, is it?
Has anyone else used Breath Alert for testing their breath?
One other thing, I read somewhere that the bacteria in the mouth help to keep candida at bay. Does that mean we're not supposed to be too ruthless with the old hydrogen peroxide??
Has anyone else used Breath Alert for testing their breath?
One other thing, I read somewhere that the bacteria in the mouth help to keep candida at bay. Does that mean we're not supposed to be too ruthless with the old hydrogen peroxide??
Pigman
06-28-2004, 09:31 PM
Chris22: You might have got a sore throat from swallowing some of it, make sure not to drink any.
I'm glad to see another sucess besides mine, from someone avoiding refined sugar and food allergies/sensitivites.
:wave:
I'm glad to see another sucess besides mine, from someone avoiding refined sugar and food allergies/sensitivites.
:wave:
AsTallAsLions
07-01-2004, 03:26 AM
does anyone else's tongue look pretty gross?
lovinglife00
07-01-2004, 10:59 AM
does anyone else's tongue look pretty gross?
Astallaslions-
Please be specific. What exactly do you mean by pretty gross?
Astallaslions-
Please be specific. What exactly do you mean by pretty gross?
AsTallAsLions
07-01-2004, 06:36 PM
gross as in white.
chriss22
07-01-2004, 09:39 PM
Hi Guys,
I found something on the web today that sounds really promisng. [removed]
I found something on the web today that sounds really promisng. [removed]
chriss22
07-01-2004, 09:41 PM
AsTallAsLions,
Yes, most of the time my tongue is coated and white. GROSS is right.
Yes, most of the time my tongue is coated and white. GROSS is right.
memorex
07-05-2004, 10:09 AM
Hi Everyone,
I've been suffering from bad breath for several years now and i firmly believe that chronic bad breath is a sign that something is wrong with the body, not with the mouth. I think we've all tried everything under the sun to keep our mouths fresh and clean, but to no avail. I don't know the root cause of my problem but have discovered something interesting. My wife recently read a book called "4 diets for 4 blood types". It recommended drinking a warm glass of water with a squeezed lemon (I use half a lemon) first thing in the morning, followed by a glass of grapefruit juice partially watered down. I've been doing this for the past 2 weeks and have noticed a considerable change in my breath, to the point where my wife has said "wow, your breath is really fresh!"...and this is before i even brushed!
In addition, i recently hit the treadmill. I believe this is also helping me. I feel better physically overall, and it leads me to think that regular exercise also helps the breath to some point.
It's inexpensive and painless. It may not be a cure for everyone but try it out. I'd like to know how it works for you.
Regards
I've been suffering from bad breath for several years now and i firmly believe that chronic bad breath is a sign that something is wrong with the body, not with the mouth. I think we've all tried everything under the sun to keep our mouths fresh and clean, but to no avail. I don't know the root cause of my problem but have discovered something interesting. My wife recently read a book called "4 diets for 4 blood types". It recommended drinking a warm glass of water with a squeezed lemon (I use half a lemon) first thing in the morning, followed by a glass of grapefruit juice partially watered down. I've been doing this for the past 2 weeks and have noticed a considerable change in my breath, to the point where my wife has said "wow, your breath is really fresh!"...and this is before i even brushed!
In addition, i recently hit the treadmill. I believe this is also helping me. I feel better physically overall, and it leads me to think that regular exercise also helps the breath to some point.
It's inexpensive and painless. It may not be a cure for everyone but try it out. I'd like to know how it works for you.
Regards
blahh123
07-05-2004, 12:18 PM
Hey everyone!...... im sorry to hear all your stories!... i need some info!
i have a white coating on my toungue usually around the back... i can brush this coating off and its usually only thin but can get thick but if i brush it it goes away i also have tonsil stones.... this isnt thrush is it??.... i dont think so theres no pain or ulcers or white leasures just a coating on the tongue!.... if anyone has an answer or can just give me some support id really appreciate :)!!....thnx!..
i have a white coating on my toungue usually around the back... i can brush this coating off and its usually only thin but can get thick but if i brush it it goes away i also have tonsil stones.... this isnt thrush is it??.... i dont think so theres no pain or ulcers or white leasures just a coating on the tongue!.... if anyone has an answer or can just give me some support id really appreciate :)!!....thnx!..
Dear Maggie
07-05-2004, 05:11 PM
When exposed to solvents - they can be expelled for a time through the breath.
(maybe lemon juice & water helps - mild acid ... maybe there is some neutralization going on & water is always good for the body)
& hitting the tread mill ... would help you expel more and more toxins, if that is what is buiding up
Any of you in this group have the 'gulf war syndrome' symptoms?
If so consider 2-butoxyethanol. It's in Simple Green, Lysol Tub 'n Tile and used also in other cleaning and degreaser products as well as in laquers, paint, dry cleaning, plastics and oil cleanup (though little good it does heree)
(maybe lemon juice & water helps - mild acid ... maybe there is some neutralization going on & water is always good for the body)
& hitting the tread mill ... would help you expel more and more toxins, if that is what is buiding up
Any of you in this group have the 'gulf war syndrome' symptoms?
If so consider 2-butoxyethanol. It's in Simple Green, Lysol Tub 'n Tile and used also in other cleaning and degreaser products as well as in laquers, paint, dry cleaning, plastics and oil cleanup (though little good it does heree)
JoWo
07-09-2004, 12:49 PM
Hve anyone of you tried 'FASTING'? Fasting pulls out Toxins and Poisons from the body. Quoted from 'The Miracle of Fasting' by Bragg, after a fast, your mounth will taste sweeter and your breath will be clean. The more you fast, the less mouth and body odor you will have!
For those who have tried many methods but none give good results, why don't give fasting a try. I personally don't have bad breath except when I fall ill with fever or flu. But recently I was reading this book on Fasting(the one I mentioned above) and it seems really good for the body. I will try it soon for general health.
For those interested to try, do read up more about Fasting first before you embark on a fast.
For those who have tried many methods but none give good results, why don't give fasting a try. I personally don't have bad breath except when I fall ill with fever or flu. But recently I was reading this book on Fasting(the one I mentioned above) and it seems really good for the body. I will try it soon for general health.
For those interested to try, do read up more about Fasting first before you embark on a fast.
katie29
07-10-2004, 05:41 PM
HI folks,
Sorry been away on holidays for a week so only checking in again now! I feel like such a hypocite because on hols I reverted to really bad eating habits
worse than ever as once I gave myself permissson to eat what I had been off I ate enough to make up for the couple of weeks I had been abstaining...altho I did continue with the supplements but still my breath went back to being as bad as ever. Am home 3 days now and just cant bring myself to restart again...am just gorging myself with everything I was off...back drinking every day and even back smoking every day!! So in short feeling like SHITE not surprising since im eating all shite...mostly junk food! Its like this self sabotaging instinct that I feel no control over and I feel guilty as hell about it at the same time!! Have struggled since childhood with
a sometimes severe overeating problems..I remember even when I was as young as 8/9 getting scared cos I could not breathe properly after a binge!! Not sure if this is a symptom that others experience. God knows whether its connected to this breath problem or not! Anyway my holiday was ruined! Usual thing of not going on trips cos couldnt sit near someeone on a bus or in a car!! taking the stairs (for exercise ha ha!!) cos I dont want to be standing beside someeone in a lift! And the worse the breath got the worse my eating and drinking habits got!! So yeah astallas I completely accept your point about not being able to spend a lifetime on this diet!! But eating and drinking like I have been for the past 10 days I would be surprised if anyone didnt have bad breath! I just feel so ********** up at the minute!! And so irritable and angry and taking it out on every one I meet which makes me feel worse!! I cant find me in there at all!!
Anyway I suppose the lesson to be learned is that it must be all down to diet in my case! What I was eating and doing extremely well on was rice, lentils, mung beans, olive oil, fruit and veg including bananas and avocados and sweet corn and had fish a few times. Used to flavour the rice with tomato sauce but stopped after doing the allergy test where she told me I was allergic to tomatoes but had not made a difference in the initial improvement of my breath! I was also being really careful to stop as soon as I felt full even if that meant eating 5 times a day! l also drank lots of green tea.. a couple of pints a day! Also drank a .75l bottle or 2 of organic apple juice every day and peppermint tea as well most days. All that stopped on hols incidentally!
Lovinglife I was taking most of my supplements with meals (as it says on the boxes). Took the probiotics, aloe vera colon cleanse and enzymes before meals..then the vit B and active h and MSM and floravision with meals and the sweedish bitters after. I took the barley grass and psyhillioum husks with breakfast only. The chinese bitters have to be taken in the morning 30 mins before breakfast and one hour after drinking a pint of water..which is a bit awkward. The other chinese herbs (curcuma and coptis) to be taken at bedtime. Have stopped everything now as there seems to be no point until I can get my life back on track! But I drank an awful lot of fluids in between meals! Im fairly sure it wasnt the trioral as I was using that on holidays! However it does leave your mouth feeling very clean initially but does not last and does not clear it up!! So Im truly sorry to hear it did not work for you! I am no expert and have done all kinds of fasts to solve this awful problem but your diet sounds a bit dangerous to me. I think you need protein to rebuild your cells if you ever want to be healthy. And you also need a certain amount of healthy fat...flax oil, olive oil, fish oil etc. to clear out toxins that are fat soluble! But thats just my opinion to take or leave and doctors differ and patients die!
To the last person that posted I did try a severe water only 5 week fast that completely cured me! But as soon as I ate my breath reverted to the old within a few days! My appetite already very volatile was completely screwed up and I would not reccommend it to anyone! There are less severe ones I am sure which are worth considering tho!
Anyway please God I may find the strength to return to that diet I was on and hopefully experience the same results! Just cant see the light at all at the minute and I just cant imagine a life of not being able to eat normally or have a few drinks! Anyway,take care everyone an hope ye r all doing alot better than me!! And thanks for the tips everyone! Memorex Ill be adding the grapefuit juice!!
K xx
Sorry been away on holidays for a week so only checking in again now! I feel like such a hypocite because on hols I reverted to really bad eating habits
worse than ever as once I gave myself permissson to eat what I had been off I ate enough to make up for the couple of weeks I had been abstaining...altho I did continue with the supplements but still my breath went back to being as bad as ever. Am home 3 days now and just cant bring myself to restart again...am just gorging myself with everything I was off...back drinking every day and even back smoking every day!! So in short feeling like SHITE not surprising since im eating all shite...mostly junk food! Its like this self sabotaging instinct that I feel no control over and I feel guilty as hell about it at the same time!! Have struggled since childhood with
a sometimes severe overeating problems..I remember even when I was as young as 8/9 getting scared cos I could not breathe properly after a binge!! Not sure if this is a symptom that others experience. God knows whether its connected to this breath problem or not! Anyway my holiday was ruined! Usual thing of not going on trips cos couldnt sit near someeone on a bus or in a car!! taking the stairs (for exercise ha ha!!) cos I dont want to be standing beside someeone in a lift! And the worse the breath got the worse my eating and drinking habits got!! So yeah astallas I completely accept your point about not being able to spend a lifetime on this diet!! But eating and drinking like I have been for the past 10 days I would be surprised if anyone didnt have bad breath! I just feel so ********** up at the minute!! And so irritable and angry and taking it out on every one I meet which makes me feel worse!! I cant find me in there at all!!
Anyway I suppose the lesson to be learned is that it must be all down to diet in my case! What I was eating and doing extremely well on was rice, lentils, mung beans, olive oil, fruit and veg including bananas and avocados and sweet corn and had fish a few times. Used to flavour the rice with tomato sauce but stopped after doing the allergy test where she told me I was allergic to tomatoes but had not made a difference in the initial improvement of my breath! I was also being really careful to stop as soon as I felt full even if that meant eating 5 times a day! l also drank lots of green tea.. a couple of pints a day! Also drank a .75l bottle or 2 of organic apple juice every day and peppermint tea as well most days. All that stopped on hols incidentally!
Lovinglife I was taking most of my supplements with meals (as it says on the boxes). Took the probiotics, aloe vera colon cleanse and enzymes before meals..then the vit B and active h and MSM and floravision with meals and the sweedish bitters after. I took the barley grass and psyhillioum husks with breakfast only. The chinese bitters have to be taken in the morning 30 mins before breakfast and one hour after drinking a pint of water..which is a bit awkward. The other chinese herbs (curcuma and coptis) to be taken at bedtime. Have stopped everything now as there seems to be no point until I can get my life back on track! But I drank an awful lot of fluids in between meals! Im fairly sure it wasnt the trioral as I was using that on holidays! However it does leave your mouth feeling very clean initially but does not last and does not clear it up!! So Im truly sorry to hear it did not work for you! I am no expert and have done all kinds of fasts to solve this awful problem but your diet sounds a bit dangerous to me. I think you need protein to rebuild your cells if you ever want to be healthy. And you also need a certain amount of healthy fat...flax oil, olive oil, fish oil etc. to clear out toxins that are fat soluble! But thats just my opinion to take or leave and doctors differ and patients die!
To the last person that posted I did try a severe water only 5 week fast that completely cured me! But as soon as I ate my breath reverted to the old within a few days! My appetite already very volatile was completely screwed up and I would not reccommend it to anyone! There are less severe ones I am sure which are worth considering tho!
Anyway please God I may find the strength to return to that diet I was on and hopefully experience the same results! Just cant see the light at all at the minute and I just cant imagine a life of not being able to eat normally or have a few drinks! Anyway,take care everyone an hope ye r all doing alot better than me!! And thanks for the tips everyone! Memorex Ill be adding the grapefuit juice!!
K xx
katie29
07-10-2004, 05:43 PM
Oh yeah I nearly forgot (despite the lenght of my mail!! Sorry!!) quick question for anyone? How do u find out if you have leaky gut syndrome?
proteome
07-13-2004, 04:44 AM
hey all,
i have just found out a surefire way to tell what my breath smells like ---
1. Do the candida spit test in a disposable glass, making sure to get all the saliva you can
2. Do not empty the glass as usual, merely place a lid on it, and store it
3. Repeat steps 1 and 2 into the same glass every morning for two or more days
4. After some days, you will see a compost heap of nastiness aggregate in the bottom, at that point you're ready to smell your breath!
But BE WARNED, you will not like what you smell, but it was verified by others to be what my breath smells like every day. I must admit, in spite of all the damage this problem has done to my social life, I fell to the floor in laughter when I saw the look on my face when I smelled it! The truth can be amusing sometimes, no?
i have just found out a surefire way to tell what my breath smells like ---
1. Do the candida spit test in a disposable glass, making sure to get all the saliva you can
2. Do not empty the glass as usual, merely place a lid on it, and store it
3. Repeat steps 1 and 2 into the same glass every morning for two or more days
4. After some days, you will see a compost heap of nastiness aggregate in the bottom, at that point you're ready to smell your breath!
But BE WARNED, you will not like what you smell, but it was verified by others to be what my breath smells like every day. I must admit, in spite of all the damage this problem has done to my social life, I fell to the floor in laughter when I saw the look on my face when I smelled it! The truth can be amusing sometimes, no?
lovinglife00
07-13-2004, 02:13 PM
Ok Katie-
I am very sorry to hear you slipped and went back to the "old way of life". C'mon now, you have to get that determination back because you were doing SO WELL. Actually, you are one of my inspirations that are helping me to try to get better. I have been reading you and Pigman's post many many times to keep up with what you are doing to get better. I know it's hard to remain on the diet, actually it can be EXHAUSTING. It seems to take alot out of me to put forth the effort and time to eat the healthy foods so I definately understand your frustration. I totally agree that I may need to add some protein to my diet. I have gotten soooo skinny that it is rediculous and I am weak so I think I am going to try to eat some meat. I read on another forum that a man gets REALLY bad breath and body odor when he eats meat, so he had to eat vegetables and carbs and whole foods and now all his odors went away. He said his body is not metabolising the protein. That's what I am really afraid of because it seems as when I eat meat, I will go to sleep, and when I wake up I am sweating a little with a HORRIBLE body and breath odor. I am just really confused. Some people say to stay away from carbs and some are saying to stay away from meat.(???) I guess when I eat meat I just have to take alot of Hydrochloric acid tablets so my body can digest it. Pigman, are you eating more meat now, or are you staying closer to the carbs? I've been eating mostly vegetables but whenever I eat carbs, I get really constipated (for days) and then the odor gets worse on the breath and body!!! Actually, I think that may be most of my problem...constipation. Does anyone else suffer from constipation? I am asking because since my breath has a fecal smell, it seems as if it may come from the constipation (and from the yeast in my body).
Does anyone else get constipated when eating carbs? Constipation is what we DON'T want since the goal is to completely clean the body out of old toxins. Katie, please go back to your disciplined ways...you were getting so much better and remember when you get weak we are here for you to give you encouraging words...You can do it because you've done it before and at least you know what works for you now!!! You've come too far to go back :-)
I am very sorry to hear you slipped and went back to the "old way of life". C'mon now, you have to get that determination back because you were doing SO WELL. Actually, you are one of my inspirations that are helping me to try to get better. I have been reading you and Pigman's post many many times to keep up with what you are doing to get better. I know it's hard to remain on the diet, actually it can be EXHAUSTING. It seems to take alot out of me to put forth the effort and time to eat the healthy foods so I definately understand your frustration. I totally agree that I may need to add some protein to my diet. I have gotten soooo skinny that it is rediculous and I am weak so I think I am going to try to eat some meat. I read on another forum that a man gets REALLY bad breath and body odor when he eats meat, so he had to eat vegetables and carbs and whole foods and now all his odors went away. He said his body is not metabolising the protein. That's what I am really afraid of because it seems as when I eat meat, I will go to sleep, and when I wake up I am sweating a little with a HORRIBLE body and breath odor. I am just really confused. Some people say to stay away from carbs and some are saying to stay away from meat.(???) I guess when I eat meat I just have to take alot of Hydrochloric acid tablets so my body can digest it. Pigman, are you eating more meat now, or are you staying closer to the carbs? I've been eating mostly vegetables but whenever I eat carbs, I get really constipated (for days) and then the odor gets worse on the breath and body!!! Actually, I think that may be most of my problem...constipation. Does anyone else suffer from constipation? I am asking because since my breath has a fecal smell, it seems as if it may come from the constipation (and from the yeast in my body).
Does anyone else get constipated when eating carbs? Constipation is what we DON'T want since the goal is to completely clean the body out of old toxins. Katie, please go back to your disciplined ways...you were getting so much better and remember when you get weak we are here for you to give you encouraging words...You can do it because you've done it before and at least you know what works for you now!!! You've come too far to go back :-)
lovinglife00
07-13-2004, 02:31 PM
Know what Memorex-
I took about a week and drank a lemon (juice) 3 times a day for about a week and yes, it did make a big difference in my breath. I have to admit though, that it became tiresome squeezing the lemons everyday...I'm glad you mentioned it...maybe I will go back to doing that, along with Katie and Pigman's regimens.
I took about a week and drank a lemon (juice) 3 times a day for about a week and yes, it did make a big difference in my breath. I have to admit though, that it became tiresome squeezing the lemons everyday...I'm glad you mentioned it...maybe I will go back to doing that, along with Katie and Pigman's regimens.
Pigman
07-13-2004, 08:11 PM
Katie: There is a intestinal permeablity test (leaky gut) that you can take to determine how leaky your gut is. You drink a couple different forms of sugar and then they measure the levels in your urine, I believe.
Actually about the diet I was on, like the rest of you that tried said, is very hard. I still manage to avoid all sugar, but as far as everything else like meat and small amounts of refined carbs I've been eating. My breath started to get a little bad but I think sugar is the main problem so I avoid that and my breath wont get too bad. Since I couldn't stay on the diet I decided to try some other things that looked promising and now while taking those I have no bad breath even with my somewhat bad diet. Those things are Threelac and Poly-Nag.
I also have some other stuff in the works I'll let you all know how it turns out.
:wave:
Actually about the diet I was on, like the rest of you that tried said, is very hard. I still manage to avoid all sugar, but as far as everything else like meat and small amounts of refined carbs I've been eating. My breath started to get a little bad but I think sugar is the main problem so I avoid that and my breath wont get too bad. Since I couldn't stay on the diet I decided to try some other things that looked promising and now while taking those I have no bad breath even with my somewhat bad diet. Those things are Threelac and Poly-Nag.
I also have some other stuff in the works I'll let you all know how it turns out.
:wave:
katie29
07-14-2004, 05:15 PM
HI guys,
Loving life thanks for all your encouragement..you are a sweetheart! and yeah I am back on track again thank god...only on my second day and finding it really hard this time..I dont really trust myself that I wont attack a mars bar or an ice cream but hopefully can get some of that feel-good factor back soon so it wont be as hard! My breath has already improved again quite considerably but is nothing as clear as it was! I started taking a anti-candida supplement this time as well as all my othersI ITs the solgar caprylic acid seeing as several people have noted candida as a factor in bb!! (They love to see me coming at the local healthfood shop!! )
Im not eating meat at the minute either but there are some excellent sources of protein other than meat. Grains like brown rice and quinoa are sources of protein as well as lentils and most beans. I was eating mung beans and lentils and actually have chick peas soaking for tomorrow altho didnt try those on my previous diet. Eggs are a good source as well and I think I will try those next week!
I dont suffer from constipation at all but I know that constipation will definitely increase the amount of toxins in your body. The pshyllium husks should help sort that problem..not sure if you are taking those?? I would start with something like potatoes or sweet corn if you are not used to carbs in your diet. Drink lots as well. Peppermint tea is particularly good! Pear juice or prune juice work as well but are very high in sugars!
Pigman thanks for that info I will look into getting that test done. My problem is essentially down to diet as well Id say! I think sugar, alcholol and dairy are the big ones for me! So fingers crossed I can keep this up! I will start looking into threelac and polynag as well!
Take care folks x
Loving life thanks for all your encouragement..you are a sweetheart! and yeah I am back on track again thank god...only on my second day and finding it really hard this time..I dont really trust myself that I wont attack a mars bar or an ice cream but hopefully can get some of that feel-good factor back soon so it wont be as hard! My breath has already improved again quite considerably but is nothing as clear as it was! I started taking a anti-candida supplement this time as well as all my othersI ITs the solgar caprylic acid seeing as several people have noted candida as a factor in bb!! (They love to see me coming at the local healthfood shop!! )
Im not eating meat at the minute either but there are some excellent sources of protein other than meat. Grains like brown rice and quinoa are sources of protein as well as lentils and most beans. I was eating mung beans and lentils and actually have chick peas soaking for tomorrow altho didnt try those on my previous diet. Eggs are a good source as well and I think I will try those next week!
I dont suffer from constipation at all but I know that constipation will definitely increase the amount of toxins in your body. The pshyllium husks should help sort that problem..not sure if you are taking those?? I would start with something like potatoes or sweet corn if you are not used to carbs in your diet. Drink lots as well. Peppermint tea is particularly good! Pear juice or prune juice work as well but are very high in sugars!
Pigman thanks for that info I will look into getting that test done. My problem is essentially down to diet as well Id say! I think sugar, alcholol and dairy are the big ones for me! So fingers crossed I can keep this up! I will start looking into threelac and polynag as well!
Take care folks x
proteome
07-16-2004, 04:55 AM
Just curious, how many of us fall into the categories:
1. post nasal drip
2. constipation and/or irregular bowel movements
3. neither
Thanks for the info!
1. post nasal drip
2. constipation and/or irregular bowel movements
3. neither
Thanks for the info!
lovinglife00
07-16-2004, 12:23 PM
I have post nasal drip and constipation, which is a factor in my problem..along with candida. Seems like there's just too much bacteria in my body.
chuckwho
07-16-2004, 06:28 PM
I think i fall into the constipation category. I'm in the process of doing a colon cleansing. Today, i also started a Candida cleansing with CandiGONE1 and CandiGONE2 and a CandiZYME it's a 15 day cleanse. We will see if that helps. For thoughs how are taking something for Candida (such as threeLac ) how long did it take before it started to work? My breath is really bad. So, i think it will take the whole 15 days.
carligni
07-17-2004, 05:01 PM
Hi people.
I've got post nasal drip and i suffer from constipation.
About the candida i think i have it too, but i'm not sure.
I've got post nasal drip and i suffer from constipation.
About the candida i think i have it too, but i'm not sure.
AsTallAsLions
07-19-2004, 05:40 AM
i honestly don't think it's candida. that disease has far to many general symptoms. it's almost as if any sickness could be mistaken for it.
Godisgood
07-24-2004, 01:01 AM
I'm constitpated...I usually have a movement at most every five days...but I've been known to go a whole week with out one single movement. And when there is a movement...it doesn't compare to whats been going in.(if you know what I mean)
I do have post nasal drip..I bought some collidal silver ..hopefully it will clear it up.
I don't know about the candida?
For the past 3 weeks I've been on a no meat, diary, egg diet...lots of water. Along with the diet I'm doing colon cleanse, and body dextox...which includes a "black" powder mix that a take with organic apple juice twice a day.
For the past week I've had a movement everyday...and today...I had two. So I think thats a good thing.
Loving
I really think diet has some much to do with our odor. I have extreme body odor...and this seems to work. The no meat diet is putting a dent in it. I've noticed that people don't react to my smell as strongly like they have to close to me...but there is a strong odor. So thats a step!
Katie
Hang in there...Its is very hard...but we're going to figure this thing out!
I plan to stick to this detox program...for another two months. Just a note...I stopped all supplements except the colon cleanse. I'm adding enemzyes starting today... just wanted to see if there is a difference.
I do have post nasal drip..I bought some collidal silver ..hopefully it will clear it up.
I don't know about the candida?
For the past 3 weeks I've been on a no meat, diary, egg diet...lots of water. Along with the diet I'm doing colon cleanse, and body dextox...which includes a "black" powder mix that a take with organic apple juice twice a day.
For the past week I've had a movement everyday...and today...I had two. So I think thats a good thing.
Loving
I really think diet has some much to do with our odor. I have extreme body odor...and this seems to work. The no meat diet is putting a dent in it. I've noticed that people don't react to my smell as strongly like they have to close to me...but there is a strong odor. So thats a step!
Katie
Hang in there...Its is very hard...but we're going to figure this thing out!
I plan to stick to this detox program...for another two months. Just a note...I stopped all supplements except the colon cleanse. I'm adding enemzyes starting today... just wanted to see if there is a difference.
chuckwho
07-24-2004, 04:07 AM
Well, it looks like constipation is a problem for most if not all of us.
I have been on a colon cleansing thing for a couple of weeks now. I did talk to the company that puts out the kit that I an using about my bad breath problem. I know we are not suppose to quote what other people say. So, I will tell you what my understanding is.
It can take 1 to 3 months to do a full colon cleansing. Depending on the severity of the constipation. It is also a good idea to take digestive enzymes with each meal. The kit that I am using has digestive enzyme and probiotics along with a fiber blend. I have started to take the fiber blend twice a day - the enzymes with each meal and probiotics twice a day. It is also, a good idea to take an Antioxidant such as the (Super Antioxidant Greens) daily. Plus drink a lot of water. I hate drinking that much water but I have been doing it for a few weeks now. Its hard to tell how it is working out, because I try to avoid people as much as possible. I drive a school bus so I'm off for the summer. It would be so nice to get rid of this problem so I can find a better job. Please God let this work. I am still taking the Candida stuff also, as I have stated in a previous post. I don't know if that is the problem but I need to take it so I can rule it out.
Can everyone tell me how often you take the Digestive Enzymes and the probiotics a day? and how long have you been taking them. Or, what was the longest time period that you took them for? Plus, what is the longest time period you did a colon cleanse? I have heard that when your stool is blonde in colour that is when you are cleaned out. I have noticed my stool getting lighter in colour. you show try not to eat heavy meals try to make them lighter.
Good luck all
I have been on a colon cleansing thing for a couple of weeks now. I did talk to the company that puts out the kit that I an using about my bad breath problem. I know we are not suppose to quote what other people say. So, I will tell you what my understanding is.
It can take 1 to 3 months to do a full colon cleansing. Depending on the severity of the constipation. It is also a good idea to take digestive enzymes with each meal. The kit that I am using has digestive enzyme and probiotics along with a fiber blend. I have started to take the fiber blend twice a day - the enzymes with each meal and probiotics twice a day. It is also, a good idea to take an Antioxidant such as the (Super Antioxidant Greens) daily. Plus drink a lot of water. I hate drinking that much water but I have been doing it for a few weeks now. Its hard to tell how it is working out, because I try to avoid people as much as possible. I drive a school bus so I'm off for the summer. It would be so nice to get rid of this problem so I can find a better job. Please God let this work. I am still taking the Candida stuff also, as I have stated in a previous post. I don't know if that is the problem but I need to take it so I can rule it out.
Can everyone tell me how often you take the Digestive Enzymes and the probiotics a day? and how long have you been taking them. Or, what was the longest time period that you took them for? Plus, what is the longest time period you did a colon cleanse? I have heard that when your stool is blonde in colour that is when you are cleaned out. I have noticed my stool getting lighter in colour. you show try not to eat heavy meals try to make them lighter.
Good luck all
marcen
07-24-2004, 02:52 PM
Lighter yellowish stools often mean that there is undigested bile in it...never heard that it means you are cleaner inside and definitely do not think that is true!
JUST_WAITIN'
07-25-2004, 02:17 PM
Hey everyone...I havent posted in a real long time, because like a lot of us, I fell off track and some times tend to get fustrated and lose hope. But I know that I must press on and be strong and firm and comitted to ridding myself of this "plague" which takes over my body.And hopefully one day (soon) it will pay off!
LovinLife/Everyone
About the whole carb-meat thing....we need both of those foods to stay healthy. However there are different types of carbs, just like there are different types of meats; types that are good and types that are bad for you.
For instance I dont eat red meat, only white meat ( chicken, turkey , some light pork).
Red meat is way harder to digest and thus it stays in your intestines and bowel longer before it is eliminated from the body, sometimes staying in your bowel for a long time, causing bacteria and other complications. Carbs "fuel" our body, but a lot of them harm it as well. Processed carbs , or any kind of processed foods, for that matter, are bad. White carbs arent that good for you , more so when its people like us with these issues ( white bread,bagels etc. , pasta) But other carbs like wheat bread, oatmeal bread , oats and nuts bread , oatmeal etc. are real good for you , especially those of you with constipation. I know myself tends to get irregular when I eat too much white bread (white carbs) thats why I eat oats and nuts bread, plus its really tastey.
Also carbs are nothing but yeast...which is bacteria...which ultimately is bad.And sugar, sugar is horrible! lots of bacteria.
But then again not all bacteria is bad. We have good bacteria in our bodies that we need to keep us healthy.. thats were the pro-biotics come in. ( I use Primal Defense)They rid your dody of all the "bad" bacteria and then florish your intestines with the "friendly" bacteria.
Doctors say that one of the best types of bacteria to put into your system is yogurt.
However I dont like to eat that much dairy, plus I'm semi-lactos-intolorate.
Another thing too, Those of you with post nasal and who get a lot of phlem in your throat, should kind of steer away from dairy because it just makes that worse. There is something in it that produces phlem build up , thats another reason I hardly eat dairy. And I know you all know to drink a lot of water, but I just thoughtthat I'd stress that a little more. I know I get tired of drinking so much, but it helps if you toss some lemon squirts in there , for taste and also it rids your mouth of those nastey tastes. I keep my water with tons of lemon in it, it really helps. Water helps keep our bodies running right and flushing properly. I also drink at least 1 glass of V8 a day, really helps to (keeps you going) no constipation, tastes great too. You could ofcoarse make your own juices too.
Ok... well Ive written a lot here... and I have to run anyway.... Ill keep in touch soon
~~keep your heads ^^^^
LovinLife/Everyone
About the whole carb-meat thing....we need both of those foods to stay healthy. However there are different types of carbs, just like there are different types of meats; types that are good and types that are bad for you.
For instance I dont eat red meat, only white meat ( chicken, turkey , some light pork).
Red meat is way harder to digest and thus it stays in your intestines and bowel longer before it is eliminated from the body, sometimes staying in your bowel for a long time, causing bacteria and other complications. Carbs "fuel" our body, but a lot of them harm it as well. Processed carbs , or any kind of processed foods, for that matter, are bad. White carbs arent that good for you , more so when its people like us with these issues ( white bread,bagels etc. , pasta) But other carbs like wheat bread, oatmeal bread , oats and nuts bread , oatmeal etc. are real good for you , especially those of you with constipation. I know myself tends to get irregular when I eat too much white bread (white carbs) thats why I eat oats and nuts bread, plus its really tastey.
Also carbs are nothing but yeast...which is bacteria...which ultimately is bad.And sugar, sugar is horrible! lots of bacteria.
But then again not all bacteria is bad. We have good bacteria in our bodies that we need to keep us healthy.. thats were the pro-biotics come in. ( I use Primal Defense)They rid your dody of all the "bad" bacteria and then florish your intestines with the "friendly" bacteria.
Doctors say that one of the best types of bacteria to put into your system is yogurt.
However I dont like to eat that much dairy, plus I'm semi-lactos-intolorate.
Another thing too, Those of you with post nasal and who get a lot of phlem in your throat, should kind of steer away from dairy because it just makes that worse. There is something in it that produces phlem build up , thats another reason I hardly eat dairy. And I know you all know to drink a lot of water, but I just thoughtthat I'd stress that a little more. I know I get tired of drinking so much, but it helps if you toss some lemon squirts in there , for taste and also it rids your mouth of those nastey tastes. I keep my water with tons of lemon in it, it really helps. Water helps keep our bodies running right and flushing properly. I also drink at least 1 glass of V8 a day, really helps to (keeps you going) no constipation, tastes great too. You could ofcoarse make your own juices too.
Ok... well Ive written a lot here... and I have to run anyway.... Ill keep in touch soon
~~keep your heads ^^^^
lovinglife00
07-26-2004, 03:14 AM
Godisgood-
That is good you've had a bowel movement everyday for the past week. You are definately cleansing your colon and I think that is sooooo important. The more movements and the more water, the better. When I don't eat meat I dont get reactions from people as much either-so I agree about the diet. Yes, stick w/ the detox program...I think it will definately do you good.
Chuckhoo-
I really hope you can get rid of this beast so you can find a better job. I too am working a lower level job because of this problem and I have a college degree. I am really wishing you luck with this. Keep at your protocol and one day you will be able to work a better job. That's what I keep telling myself.
Just waitin-
I totally agree with what you said about the carbs. You are right on track with what I've been reading in my research. The white carbs are bad. One lady on another website said her husband suffered from constipation for years and decided to cut out white bread. She said afterwards, he was no longer constipated. I've heard Collodial Silver is excellent for post nasal drip. Post nasal drip is a big part of our problem (for those of us that have it) too. Ok gotta go...good luck to everyone.
That is good you've had a bowel movement everyday for the past week. You are definately cleansing your colon and I think that is sooooo important. The more movements and the more water, the better. When I don't eat meat I dont get reactions from people as much either-so I agree about the diet. Yes, stick w/ the detox program...I think it will definately do you good.
Chuckhoo-
I really hope you can get rid of this beast so you can find a better job. I too am working a lower level job because of this problem and I have a college degree. I am really wishing you luck with this. Keep at your protocol and one day you will be able to work a better job. That's what I keep telling myself.
Just waitin-
I totally agree with what you said about the carbs. You are right on track with what I've been reading in my research. The white carbs are bad. One lady on another website said her husband suffered from constipation for years and decided to cut out white bread. She said afterwards, he was no longer constipated. I've heard Collodial Silver is excellent for post nasal drip. Post nasal drip is a big part of our problem (for those of us that have it) too. Ok gotta go...good luck to everyone.
Mario21
07-26-2004, 04:02 AM
about the white coating on the tongue. i've spoke to my dentist about that, and he said its fine. not anything to be worried about. do you smoke by chance? he said that plays a roll in it. i bought a tongue scrapper, which gets most of it off, which is nasty cuz you can tell how thick it is. but first, i brush my teeth, with a light brush of the tongue, then i actually have a tongue brush with tongue paste that i use that works wonders, then, i use the tongue scrapper. then floss, then mouthwash. that gets my tongue back to pink. except for all the way in the back, cuz that makes me gag when i try to scrape there. but to answer your question, its not any disease or anything, just some gunk buildup.
Pigman
07-26-2004, 04:23 PM
Thats what my dentist said too a couple years ago when I first started my fight against bad breath( I'm sure we all did I mean who else do you think to go to when you have bad breath). They have no idea what they are talking about. They are not trained to know what that is. I've been treating myself for Candida and my coated tounge went away and it was bad before real thick and nasty, it couldn't be completely scraped off either. About Probiotics most I tried would work for a while then they stoped working. Then recently I started taking the two most prominent bacteria found in the intestines. Which are Bifidobacterium Bifidum, and Lactobacillus Acidophilus, I take them at seperate times so they don't compete with each other. I also take FOS to feed them, it's been two weeks and they are still working strong so I hope it keeps up.
BUSTED2
07-30-2004, 10:50 AM
I know this question is off-topic but do you guys have any friends? I don't know how to make friends if I can't talk.
Godisgood
07-30-2004, 09:46 PM
Busted
I have friends but no one close enough to share this with...its just too embarrassing. I'm somewhat outgoing...so I talk despite the breath...but I know I comments behind my back.
I have friends but no one close enough to share this with...its just too embarrassing. I'm somewhat outgoing...so I talk despite the breath...but I know I comments behind my back.
Louise2
08-01-2004, 02:07 AM
I have friends too, but not many close ones. I back away when people get close ( physically and mentally) I do this because my breath doesnt allow me to get close to people. I am paranoid about it.
I have heard people talk about my breath....so I know that I am not imagining it.
I keep in contact with people through the phone. that is the most comfortable way for me.
My life has been ruined by this problem. I feel like I have spent all of my life on the outside looking in.
Sad, but it is true. I have accepted that this is how my life is always going to be. I will never be close to anyone.
I can understand how people feel when faced with smelling my bad breath. I know that when I come across others with bad body odours, as much aas I dont want to, I do pull away from them. I feel for them though, and try not to make it to obvious.
I have heard people talk about my breath....so I know that I am not imagining it.
I keep in contact with people through the phone. that is the most comfortable way for me.
My life has been ruined by this problem. I feel like I have spent all of my life on the outside looking in.
Sad, but it is true. I have accepted that this is how my life is always going to be. I will never be close to anyone.
I can understand how people feel when faced with smelling my bad breath. I know that when I come across others with bad body odours, as much aas I dont want to, I do pull away from them. I feel for them though, and try not to make it to obvious.
brandon48
08-04-2004, 02:51 AM
I don't have friends like I used to, I'm just too self concious anymore.
I'm still hoping this will just go away as quickly as it came about, I swear I was fine and then one day about 7 years ago my breath just changed. Tried everything since then, don't know what else to try anymore.
I'm still hoping this will just go away as quickly as it came about, I swear I was fine and then one day about 7 years ago my breath just changed. Tried everything since then, don't know what else to try anymore.
Thanatos86
08-04-2004, 08:09 AM
This is my first post.
I'm 27-years-old & have been suffering from bad breath all of my life. I did not become fully aware of it (I was in denial) until I was about 24-years-old. There were so many humiliating signs..... visceral reactions, being called "stinky mouth" and kids in elevators saying "Ew, mommy, what's that smell". My ex girlfriend even pushed me away with a with a bitter look on her face, wiping her mouth when I tried to kiss her. There are just too many humiliating reactions to list.
How many of you can relate to this: Fast-forwarding through intimate scenes in movies because it reminds you of what you could never have? I'm talking intimate scenes where two people are intimately and passionately face to face. I used to be able to enjoy these scenes by projecting myself innto the situation but now that I am aware of my curse, I cannot. It's upsetting!
My problem is not with anything but being genetically prone to Halitosis. I have longer-than-normal tongue papillae (taste buds), a propensity for dry mouth and the right combination of volatile sulfur compound creating bacteria in my mouth.
I have tried everything & thus far the only thing that works somewhat is ForntierPharmacy's dioxirinse mouthwash and DioxiBrite Toothpaste. I begin by brushing my tongue clean with a tongue brush, followed by a coating of Dioxibrite toothpaste using a tongue scraper (the ones sold by hydro floss or threabreath). I then brush my teeth. After that I mix a solution of DioxiRinse and dip my floss in it and floss - dipping it after every use. I then pour the leftover dioxirinse in my mouth and use it as a rinse. I then brush my tongue once more to make sure it's as pink as it can be and then use the mouthwash again - this time gargling for as long as possible. Then I finish off with another coating on my tongue.
That seems to be the best meathod for me to attain a few good hours of not-as-bad-as-before-breath.
When my mouth gets dry I use Salix Saliva Tablets to ensure that my beath doesn't get bad on behalf of dry mouth. These tablets are far superior to the ZOX nonsense that Dr. Katz puts out on the market. Not even Closys breath spray works vey well.
These mints, gums and sprays were not meant for halitosis sufferers; they were meant for profit and nothing more. They wil only benefit those with situational bad breath - something I would risk my life in echange for!
I'm so sick of this. I e-mailed Dr. Katz about other remedies such as Green Tea and he said "No, only ThreaBreath prducts work!" Hahahahaha! After our conversation, he sent me an e-mail with a self-written testimonial to forward it back to him with authorization to post it on his websight. He promised me "gifts in the mail" if I complied. I did. At that time, I believed the ThreaBreath hype so I was more than glad to help him out and email him back his own testimonial.
Anyway, after thinking long and hard, I have come to one conclusion: Tongue Papillae Trimming!!!!!
That is right. If we can prevent food particles from lodging themelves inbetween our tongue papillae, essentially eliminating the single major anaerobic environment, then we can theoretically reduce halitosis symptoms greatly - greatly enough to have these toothpastes and mouthwashes work. What else is there?! I'm so sick of this. I considered suicide last night because there is a girl that likes me at work and whenever she comes up to me and talks, I have to look away & keep conversations short or just totally ignore her.
I really like this girl, and I'd rather die than to see the look of disgust in her eyes as she gets a whiff of my breath.
In the old thread ste99 posted that a vaccine has been created that could potentially be a cure for Halitosis. This is the cure we are all looking for. This is the cure that will allow us to walk up to the person we love, look deep into their eyes and say "I love you" without them squinting in agony.
I'm so fedup with Halitosis. There's no reason for me to live if I can't talk to someone I love face-to-face without grossing them out.
Oh yeah, I asked Dr. Katz about Papillae trimming and he said "No, that can't be done because that's where the tastebuds are."
Taste buds?! Taste buds?! I have sewage fuming out of my mouth and he thinks i care about taste?!
And, yes, I had my tonsils removed. I have genuine Halitosis. The real deal. No stomach problems, no blood problems, no this or that problems. Real, pure, unadulterated halitosis.
I'm 27-years-old & have been suffering from bad breath all of my life. I did not become fully aware of it (I was in denial) until I was about 24-years-old. There were so many humiliating signs..... visceral reactions, being called "stinky mouth" and kids in elevators saying "Ew, mommy, what's that smell". My ex girlfriend even pushed me away with a with a bitter look on her face, wiping her mouth when I tried to kiss her. There are just too many humiliating reactions to list.
How many of you can relate to this: Fast-forwarding through intimate scenes in movies because it reminds you of what you could never have? I'm talking intimate scenes where two people are intimately and passionately face to face. I used to be able to enjoy these scenes by projecting myself innto the situation but now that I am aware of my curse, I cannot. It's upsetting!
My problem is not with anything but being genetically prone to Halitosis. I have longer-than-normal tongue papillae (taste buds), a propensity for dry mouth and the right combination of volatile sulfur compound creating bacteria in my mouth.
I have tried everything & thus far the only thing that works somewhat is ForntierPharmacy's dioxirinse mouthwash and DioxiBrite Toothpaste. I begin by brushing my tongue clean with a tongue brush, followed by a coating of Dioxibrite toothpaste using a tongue scraper (the ones sold by hydro floss or threabreath). I then brush my teeth. After that I mix a solution of DioxiRinse and dip my floss in it and floss - dipping it after every use. I then pour the leftover dioxirinse in my mouth and use it as a rinse. I then brush my tongue once more to make sure it's as pink as it can be and then use the mouthwash again - this time gargling for as long as possible. Then I finish off with another coating on my tongue.
That seems to be the best meathod for me to attain a few good hours of not-as-bad-as-before-breath.
When my mouth gets dry I use Salix Saliva Tablets to ensure that my beath doesn't get bad on behalf of dry mouth. These tablets are far superior to the ZOX nonsense that Dr. Katz puts out on the market. Not even Closys breath spray works vey well.
These mints, gums and sprays were not meant for halitosis sufferers; they were meant for profit and nothing more. They wil only benefit those with situational bad breath - something I would risk my life in echange for!
I'm so sick of this. I e-mailed Dr. Katz about other remedies such as Green Tea and he said "No, only ThreaBreath prducts work!" Hahahahaha! After our conversation, he sent me an e-mail with a self-written testimonial to forward it back to him with authorization to post it on his websight. He promised me "gifts in the mail" if I complied. I did. At that time, I believed the ThreaBreath hype so I was more than glad to help him out and email him back his own testimonial.
Anyway, after thinking long and hard, I have come to one conclusion: Tongue Papillae Trimming!!!!!
That is right. If we can prevent food particles from lodging themelves inbetween our tongue papillae, essentially eliminating the single major anaerobic environment, then we can theoretically reduce halitosis symptoms greatly - greatly enough to have these toothpastes and mouthwashes work. What else is there?! I'm so sick of this. I considered suicide last night because there is a girl that likes me at work and whenever she comes up to me and talks, I have to look away & keep conversations short or just totally ignore her.
I really like this girl, and I'd rather die than to see the look of disgust in her eyes as she gets a whiff of my breath.
In the old thread ste99 posted that a vaccine has been created that could potentially be a cure for Halitosis. This is the cure we are all looking for. This is the cure that will allow us to walk up to the person we love, look deep into their eyes and say "I love you" without them squinting in agony.
I'm so fedup with Halitosis. There's no reason for me to live if I can't talk to someone I love face-to-face without grossing them out.
Oh yeah, I asked Dr. Katz about Papillae trimming and he said "No, that can't be done because that's where the tastebuds are."
Taste buds?! Taste buds?! I have sewage fuming out of my mouth and he thinks i care about taste?!
And, yes, I had my tonsils removed. I have genuine Halitosis. The real deal. No stomach problems, no blood problems, no this or that problems. Real, pure, unadulterated halitosis.
Thanatos86
08-04-2004, 08:14 AM
Also, when I'd examine ex girlfriend's tongue, it was never with a white coating like mine was. Why? Because she had sparse and short papillae. If you have a frequent white coating on your tongue, its only because you have longer-than-normal and/or dense Papillae.
Please someone tell me that my idea of Papillae trimming isn't a crazy idea.
Please someone tell me that my idea of Papillae trimming isn't a crazy idea.
Thanatos86
08-04-2004, 09:33 AM
that's ridiculous. in order to beat this thing the only solution is to eat differently for the rest of my life? i'm 18.
You cannot cure halitosis by changing your diet. If the most powerful anti-biotics can't kill the bacteria that causes bad breath then a change in your diet will not. At most, you'll reduce the amounts of foods that the bacteria has to munch on and convert into Volatile Sulfur Compounds. If you bad breath is coming from another source like candida (which is unlikely the case for most who suffer from Halitosis), then taking care of it will stop your bad breath problem.
But since you're just like 95% of all victims of Halitosis, your problem is genetic and all the dietary & supplemental changes in the world won't cure it or substantially reduce it's effects.
This is an unpleasent fact & while my heart goes out to all who continue to try new diets and supplemets to cure their halitosis, I am let down to see that these "solutions" are all we have left to go on in our battle to live normal social lifes.
On a brighter side, if you can clean your teeth and tongue every 2 hours with decent products, you'll get a good grip on the situation. But who has time for that? Who can find a private bathroom to do that as often as needed? Should our entire social lives live or die by one missed tongue brushing?
This is insane. This is absolutely insane.
You cannot cure halitosis by changing your diet. If the most powerful anti-biotics can't kill the bacteria that causes bad breath then a change in your diet will not. At most, you'll reduce the amounts of foods that the bacteria has to munch on and convert into Volatile Sulfur Compounds. If you bad breath is coming from another source like candida (which is unlikely the case for most who suffer from Halitosis), then taking care of it will stop your bad breath problem.
But since you're just like 95% of all victims of Halitosis, your problem is genetic and all the dietary & supplemental changes in the world won't cure it or substantially reduce it's effects.
This is an unpleasent fact & while my heart goes out to all who continue to try new diets and supplemets to cure their halitosis, I am let down to see that these "solutions" are all we have left to go on in our battle to live normal social lifes.
On a brighter side, if you can clean your teeth and tongue every 2 hours with decent products, you'll get a good grip on the situation. But who has time for that? Who can find a private bathroom to do that as often as needed? Should our entire social lives live or die by one missed tongue brushing?
This is insane. This is absolutely insane.
kitlee
08-05-2004, 02:03 PM
hello, i am getting a little confused here. for one, i know that i do have some stomach problems. like when i drink tea or eat certain stuff, i get really bloated and have this feeling that bubbles of gas are running up my oesophagus, causing me to want to puke. this causes me to think that my bb is related to my digestive system.
however, i also realise that sometimes immediately after eating certain foods, my tongue feels very funny and there is a coating on it. the coating has a terrible smell which smells like my bad breath, so this causes me to think that the bb is actually a bacterial action on the tongue.
so which is it?
i have a few questions and i hope that anyone will kindly answer.
1. for those who say that their problem is caused by longer papillae, may i know whether this is immediately obvious just by looking at your tongue or do you really have to carefully compare or do some measurements or testing to show? i cannot see any very striking difference between my tongue and other people's but i sometimes do find that it as a slightly rough texture to it, which could be the papillae.
2. i have this very strange phenomenon which i had never paid attention to before and i wonder if someone else also has this problem. whenever i eat certain foods, the insides of my ears will start to itch, after a short lapse, say around 10 to 30 minutes. this is especially true for sugar-containing foods and titbits. i think i have had this all along except that i nv paid attention to it and hence never "knew" that i had this problem. so can i ask you guys to kindly pay some attention the next time you eat offending foods and see if you too have this problem. i read that this could be candida-related since candida can affect the ears and if you eat foods that feed candida, you will feel the itch. any ideas?
3. a question that i would like to ask. for normal people without bad breath, are their tongues always pink? i mean, always, as in even after eating foods. mine tends to get a coating near the rear when i eat foods like biscuits or titbits but there are okay if i eat vegetables, rice and even meat. i am not sure if the coating is actually a by-product of some bacterial reaction or whether they are just remnants of my food that are left on my tongue.
thanks for all your help.
however, i also realise that sometimes immediately after eating certain foods, my tongue feels very funny and there is a coating on it. the coating has a terrible smell which smells like my bad breath, so this causes me to think that the bb is actually a bacterial action on the tongue.
so which is it?
i have a few questions and i hope that anyone will kindly answer.
1. for those who say that their problem is caused by longer papillae, may i know whether this is immediately obvious just by looking at your tongue or do you really have to carefully compare or do some measurements or testing to show? i cannot see any very striking difference between my tongue and other people's but i sometimes do find that it as a slightly rough texture to it, which could be the papillae.
2. i have this very strange phenomenon which i had never paid attention to before and i wonder if someone else also has this problem. whenever i eat certain foods, the insides of my ears will start to itch, after a short lapse, say around 10 to 30 minutes. this is especially true for sugar-containing foods and titbits. i think i have had this all along except that i nv paid attention to it and hence never "knew" that i had this problem. so can i ask you guys to kindly pay some attention the next time you eat offending foods and see if you too have this problem. i read that this could be candida-related since candida can affect the ears and if you eat foods that feed candida, you will feel the itch. any ideas?
3. a question that i would like to ask. for normal people without bad breath, are their tongues always pink? i mean, always, as in even after eating foods. mine tends to get a coating near the rear when i eat foods like biscuits or titbits but there are okay if i eat vegetables, rice and even meat. i am not sure if the coating is actually a by-product of some bacterial reaction or whether they are just remnants of my food that are left on my tongue.
thanks for all your help.
Vox
08-05-2004, 08:47 PM
could be stomach refulx. see your dr.
good luck
hello, i am getting a little confused here. for one, i know that i do have some stomach problems. like when i drink tea or eat certain stuff, i get really bloated and have this feeling that bubbles of gas are running up my oesophagus, causing me to want to puke. this causes me to think that my bb is related to my digestive system.
thanks for all your help.
good luck
hello, i am getting a little confused here. for one, i know that i do have some stomach problems. like when i drink tea or eat certain stuff, i get really bloated and have this feeling that bubbles of gas are running up my oesophagus, causing me to want to puke. this causes me to think that my bb is related to my digestive system.
thanks for all your help.
AsTallAsLions
08-07-2004, 04:42 PM
i honestly think if i get my tonsils out my bad breath will be cured.
Garrett123
08-07-2004, 05:26 PM
HI all-
I have been a BB sufferer for about 10 yrs. Its started when I was a freshman in college. In HS I never had the problem, it just one day happened and has not gone away. I have tried EVERYTHING! I have seen every doctor, stomach, ENT, dentist- who know nothing by the way. Tried Therabreath, Neti Pots, Flagyl ( prescription ) anti-bacterial, canidida treatment, enzymes, diet, cleanses, and I had my tonsils out and I still have the worst BB. I, like many of you, had my tonsils out and it got rid of my coughing up the terrible smelling stones, but not the BB. Its Still there alright!
I am a smart, decent looking guy, but when people get a whiff of my breath, they back up and look at me in disgust- and of course I am emabarrassed, daily, and want to die. How can any one person take the daily ridicule and still have an optimistic outlook??????
I read in another post that people have taken lower-end jobs because of the problem. Me as well. I was let go from a job because it involved constant interaction in close quarters- but the reason I was given was downsizing. But I was the only one let go. I seriously considered suicide at this point. Luckily I have a girlfriend ( a pretty new relationship ) she is wonderful and I want to marry her. She has made comments and passed the mints/gum to me, but seems to still love me. ( I TRY TO MASK IT WITH MINTS AND GUM ALL DAY LONG ) But as we all know, we can't do it every hour of the day. I am deathly afraid she will leave me once she realizes that she can't deal with the smell, and I don't blame her. I have not openly admitted that I KNOW I have the problem, I laugh it off inside and out when I am with her. I have come across people with my same problem, and turn away myself.
Sometimes I feel like drinking a bottle of Clorox, not only to kill the horrid smell inside me, but to put me out of misery. This is no way to live. Here I feel I can be open because you all have the very same problem. I feel your pain and would be glad to be a "friend" online to help with living hell we have. Do any of you wish that you would give up So and So if you could only have fresh breath? I pray as well.
I just wish we could beat it, there has got to be a way!!! I have tried to do so much research to figure where it may be stemming from. And how to treat it. Its a deficiency or over load of something internally!!!!
Can I ask all of you a few questions, if you don't mind answering.
1- Do you think your problems are digestive or mouth and throat oriented ( I go back and forth )
2- what do you all use in daily life to help "control" or mask the odor level. Mints? drink anything?
3- do you all have significant others, how do help them deal?
( Like it isn't enough to personally go thru it, we have to worry about the ones who are important! Its starting to take over my every thought- just trying to not offend everyone!!!!)
4- Has any doctor you have seen taken an interest to REALLY help you?
5- Just advice- get a pet! They make life worth living because they don't care, and just want to love you unconditionally!!!!
Thanks all! Keep communication open on this forum and hopefully one day wel will beat this ugly battle!!!
I have been a BB sufferer for about 10 yrs. Its started when I was a freshman in college. In HS I never had the problem, it just one day happened and has not gone away. I have tried EVERYTHING! I have seen every doctor, stomach, ENT, dentist- who know nothing by the way. Tried Therabreath, Neti Pots, Flagyl ( prescription ) anti-bacterial, canidida treatment, enzymes, diet, cleanses, and I had my tonsils out and I still have the worst BB. I, like many of you, had my tonsils out and it got rid of my coughing up the terrible smelling stones, but not the BB. Its Still there alright!
I am a smart, decent looking guy, but when people get a whiff of my breath, they back up and look at me in disgust- and of course I am emabarrassed, daily, and want to die. How can any one person take the daily ridicule and still have an optimistic outlook??????
I read in another post that people have taken lower-end jobs because of the problem. Me as well. I was let go from a job because it involved constant interaction in close quarters- but the reason I was given was downsizing. But I was the only one let go. I seriously considered suicide at this point. Luckily I have a girlfriend ( a pretty new relationship ) she is wonderful and I want to marry her. She has made comments and passed the mints/gum to me, but seems to still love me. ( I TRY TO MASK IT WITH MINTS AND GUM ALL DAY LONG ) But as we all know, we can't do it every hour of the day. I am deathly afraid she will leave me once she realizes that she can't deal with the smell, and I don't blame her. I have not openly admitted that I KNOW I have the problem, I laugh it off inside and out when I am with her. I have come across people with my same problem, and turn away myself.
Sometimes I feel like drinking a bottle of Clorox, not only to kill the horrid smell inside me, but to put me out of misery. This is no way to live. Here I feel I can be open because you all have the very same problem. I feel your pain and would be glad to be a "friend" online to help with living hell we have. Do any of you wish that you would give up So and So if you could only have fresh breath? I pray as well.
I just wish we could beat it, there has got to be a way!!! I have tried to do so much research to figure where it may be stemming from. And how to treat it. Its a deficiency or over load of something internally!!!!
Can I ask all of you a few questions, if you don't mind answering.
1- Do you think your problems are digestive or mouth and throat oriented ( I go back and forth )
2- what do you all use in daily life to help "control" or mask the odor level. Mints? drink anything?
3- do you all have significant others, how do help them deal?
( Like it isn't enough to personally go thru it, we have to worry about the ones who are important! Its starting to take over my every thought- just trying to not offend everyone!!!!)
4- Has any doctor you have seen taken an interest to REALLY help you?
5- Just advice- get a pet! They make life worth living because they don't care, and just want to love you unconditionally!!!!
Thanks all! Keep communication open on this forum and hopefully one day wel will beat this ugly battle!!!
sourgrapes
08-07-2004, 11:31 PM
I have a few very close friends, all very understanding and caring. they always treat me and encourage me to do things like a normal person though we never really had the discussion of my bad breath openly. it kills me so much when i see them in torture from tolerating my smell, when its already worse enough that im going through this punishment. im too ashamed of talking about it but they know that iam trying products and alternatives to find a cure based on the things they see i take.
A little of the topic now......I remember some people in this thread had tried Colloidal Silver for bad breath/sinusitis but I dont recall who it was. anyhow, i want to try it out for my nasal congestion. I believe it is the cause of creating tonsilitis when my mucous and food debris mixes together which worsens my breath so much. i just dont know which kind i should get though. i have done many research but not sure which one is the real deal since some are just trying to scam you. im thinking of trying Mesosilver, if anyone has tried this product could you tell me if its good. or if anyone knows of a good Colloidal Silver product please let me know.
Thanks.
A little of the topic now......I remember some people in this thread had tried Colloidal Silver for bad breath/sinusitis but I dont recall who it was. anyhow, i want to try it out for my nasal congestion. I believe it is the cause of creating tonsilitis when my mucous and food debris mixes together which worsens my breath so much. i just dont know which kind i should get though. i have done many research but not sure which one is the real deal since some are just trying to scam you. im thinking of trying Mesosilver, if anyone has tried this product could you tell me if its good. or if anyone knows of a good Colloidal Silver product please let me know.
Thanks.
brandon48
08-08-2004, 04:03 AM
I go back and forth thinking it's mouth related or digestive also. I've been taking the max amount of Primal Defense for months now, so I don't think mine is digestive.
My daily 'mask' is dentyne ice and also Ricola green tea/echinacea lozenges (for some reason these clear up my coated tongue for a bit). I also drink green tea instead of coffee nowadays, but I'm not sure how much all of this helps.
A few days after my tonsillectomy I had in Jan, my tonge was completely clear and my sinuses were also. I thought that was it, but a few days later it all went downhill again. I don't know why it cleared up, I tried going on my 'post tonsillectomy' diet for the last few days to see if that was it (beef or chicken broth and jello), but I didn't make it too long and it didn't seem to help. I think it was because I was taking the antibiotics for the first five days after the surgery. So is that the cure, heavy antibiotics constantly? I really don't know anymore myself.
It's odd about the spouse. I remember first dating my wife in 1995 and telling my best friend that everything was great about her but she always had foul breath. This was before I had any symptoms, I remember asking him what mine smelled like and to let me know if it was ever foul. But I seemed to start to not notice my wife's breath, and a few years later it became my problem and not hers. Maybe it was something that she passed to me? She seems to be immune to mine anymore, I'll even breathe right to her and ask and she'll let me know, and 9 times out of 10 she can't smell it when I know it's bad. Maybe they can't smell it after a while just like we can't really smell it ourselves?
My daily 'mask' is dentyne ice and also Ricola green tea/echinacea lozenges (for some reason these clear up my coated tongue for a bit). I also drink green tea instead of coffee nowadays, but I'm not sure how much all of this helps.
A few days after my tonsillectomy I had in Jan, my tonge was completely clear and my sinuses were also. I thought that was it, but a few days later it all went downhill again. I don't know why it cleared up, I tried going on my 'post tonsillectomy' diet for the last few days to see if that was it (beef or chicken broth and jello), but I didn't make it too long and it didn't seem to help. I think it was because I was taking the antibiotics for the first five days after the surgery. So is that the cure, heavy antibiotics constantly? I really don't know anymore myself.
It's odd about the spouse. I remember first dating my wife in 1995 and telling my best friend that everything was great about her but she always had foul breath. This was before I had any symptoms, I remember asking him what mine smelled like and to let me know if it was ever foul. But I seemed to start to not notice my wife's breath, and a few years later it became my problem and not hers. Maybe it was something that she passed to me? She seems to be immune to mine anymore, I'll even breathe right to her and ask and she'll let me know, and 9 times out of 10 she can't smell it when I know it's bad. Maybe they can't smell it after a while just like we can't really smell it ourselves?
TheRanger
08-08-2004, 07:59 AM
Hey everyone,
It's been a while since I've last posted within this thread. I've read many of the comments written here, and I just have to say thanks to a lot of you. Knowing that I am not the only person with this troubling and life altering condition really helps me deal with this. Granted, none of us have a surefire way to beat this problem, but it seems as if every day, and every hour, we constantly fight to find a way to lead better lives. This is something I surely want to be a part of.
On the breath front, mine is showing no improvement from many months back. I still wake up, fall asleep, and run my day knowing a foul, sickening and poignant odor eminates from any breath that leaves my body, whether through my mouth or through my nose. My anti-social mood/lifestyle is still as prevailent as ever, and I have but one thing to look forward to in my near future; my tonsilectomy.
I have my tonsilectomy scheduled for September 2nd. I am not at all fearful of it, and await the day like a child waiting for christmas. I know that many of you have undergone the operation in the past, with little to no success. I am fully aware of this, and have accepted that this will most likely not cure my problem. I am aware however, that no longer will I have to take 20, 30, even 40 minutes of my day to clean my tonsils, a process which I often treated as ritualistic in a sense.
To centralize the discussion around my tonsils for a moment, AsTallAsLions, I would like to ask you a few things. You feel that a tonsilectomy will cure your bad breath problem. What makes you feel this way? I have pretty much mastered (after years of tonsil squeezing) sticking my entire index finger, or even middle finger far down my throat, without gagging. Many times, I have stuck my finger far down to the back of my tongue, and moved it around rigorously, trying to get whatever substances within that region onto my finger. I then wipe the finger on my arm. After that, I then take my other hand, and repeat the process, only this time moving my finger around my tonsil region, rather than lower extremes of my toungue. I brush the surface of the tonsils, and at times press my finger against it. After this, i wipe my finger on my other arm, and let it dry. I then smell both locations on my arms where i wiped off the saliva, and always notice a far greater stench on the arm where i rubbed off the saliva around my tonsil region.
This is ofcourse, amateurish at best in terms of conducting some sort of "study", but it is enough proof for me that getting rid of my tonsils, while not solving the problem, will indeed help my bad breath substantially. AsTallAsLions, do you "tonsil squeeze", by any chance? The process I am referring to, ofcourse, is placing your index finger below your tonsil, then placing a great deal of pressure, and move your finger up to the top of the tonsil. Every time I do this, whether during school, or when I wake up, A great deal of nasty smelling gunk is left on my finger. Saying goodbye to tonsil cleaning will be incredibly satisfying process.
I have asked this in the past, but just to reiterate, how many people have a severe degree of bad breath? To self-define severe, for the moment, let's say the type of bad breath where it's so bad, that an entire bedroom, classroom, vehicle, or even a semi enclosed outdoor area is filled with a smell of a rotting carcas, just from breathing through either your nose or mouth? This unfortunately, is my situation. I'd be much, much happier knowing that I could not offend anyone with this odor, by keeping my mouth shut, and just doing my own thing. Needless to say, this problem is making my university experience a complete hell. I also don't look forward to a job in the workforce, where not showing up and doing my work at home is simply not a viable option. Every part time job I have ever had has crash and burned because of bad breath.
Garrett123, in regards to your post, I fully understand everything you are dealing with. Your comments hit me hard, as I have also considered suicide in the past. I can't help but realize how devastating this situation is, when we approach someone with this problem and can't help but turn away, when we infact know what kind of pain this causes. To answer your questions:
1) mouth and throat.
2) I have a pretty much dead set regimen to try and combat this issue. My first and foremost solution is hydrogen peroxide. I posted in a thread earlier ("bad breath has cha.... part 1") where I detail a process involving h202 that I use every morning to help with the problem. I also use an ear dropper to place a h202/water/bakingsoda/salt mixture into each of my nostrils, and let it burn and run it's course for a minute or so, before blowing my nose. I take a toothbrush and toothpaste to university with me, and brush my teeth before every class. I use Listerine on a fairly often basis. I find Scope makes my breath much worse, and doesn't cleanse like Listerine. I also gargle with Therabreath mouthwashes in my free time. It doesn't cure the problem, but helps get the saliva flowing. I figure I might as well use up my Therabreath cache anyhow, to make me feel like that 500 dollars I spent on the "kit" wasn't a complete and utter waste, lol. I also tonsil squeeze, and floss numerous times a day, after every meal.
3) I don't currently have a significant other, but when I do, the relationships always end within 2-3 weeks. I have almost given up trying, and moreoften than not, avoid any situation in which I am forced to talk to a female.
4) Absolutely not. Any doctor, dentist, or health professional either disregard me as dirty and henceforth "lazy" (ie, not worth the waste of time), or try to make a few bucks off of me.
5) I would love a pet! Unfortunately, I do have allergies. I do fully understand your comment, however. Having a pet can easily relieve a lot of stress. I may consider a puppy sooner or later, despite getting the stuffed up nose.
Anyhow, that's all I have for now. Keep posting any findings you all come across that can possibly help, or even cure this problem!
Ranger
It's been a while since I've last posted within this thread. I've read many of the comments written here, and I just have to say thanks to a lot of you. Knowing that I am not the only person with this troubling and life altering condition really helps me deal with this. Granted, none of us have a surefire way to beat this problem, but it seems as if every day, and every hour, we constantly fight to find a way to lead better lives. This is something I surely want to be a part of.
On the breath front, mine is showing no improvement from many months back. I still wake up, fall asleep, and run my day knowing a foul, sickening and poignant odor eminates from any breath that leaves my body, whether through my mouth or through my nose. My anti-social mood/lifestyle is still as prevailent as ever, and I have but one thing to look forward to in my near future; my tonsilectomy.
I have my tonsilectomy scheduled for September 2nd. I am not at all fearful of it, and await the day like a child waiting for christmas. I know that many of you have undergone the operation in the past, with little to no success. I am fully aware of this, and have accepted that this will most likely not cure my problem. I am aware however, that no longer will I have to take 20, 30, even 40 minutes of my day to clean my tonsils, a process which I often treated as ritualistic in a sense.
To centralize the discussion around my tonsils for a moment, AsTallAsLions, I would like to ask you a few things. You feel that a tonsilectomy will cure your bad breath problem. What makes you feel this way? I have pretty much mastered (after years of tonsil squeezing) sticking my entire index finger, or even middle finger far down my throat, without gagging. Many times, I have stuck my finger far down to the back of my tongue, and moved it around rigorously, trying to get whatever substances within that region onto my finger. I then wipe the finger on my arm. After that, I then take my other hand, and repeat the process, only this time moving my finger around my tonsil region, rather than lower extremes of my toungue. I brush the surface of the tonsils, and at times press my finger against it. After this, i wipe my finger on my other arm, and let it dry. I then smell both locations on my arms where i wiped off the saliva, and always notice a far greater stench on the arm where i rubbed off the saliva around my tonsil region.
This is ofcourse, amateurish at best in terms of conducting some sort of "study", but it is enough proof for me that getting rid of my tonsils, while not solving the problem, will indeed help my bad breath substantially. AsTallAsLions, do you "tonsil squeeze", by any chance? The process I am referring to, ofcourse, is placing your index finger below your tonsil, then placing a great deal of pressure, and move your finger up to the top of the tonsil. Every time I do this, whether during school, or when I wake up, A great deal of nasty smelling gunk is left on my finger. Saying goodbye to tonsil cleaning will be incredibly satisfying process.
I have asked this in the past, but just to reiterate, how many people have a severe degree of bad breath? To self-define severe, for the moment, let's say the type of bad breath where it's so bad, that an entire bedroom, classroom, vehicle, or even a semi enclosed outdoor area is filled with a smell of a rotting carcas, just from breathing through either your nose or mouth? This unfortunately, is my situation. I'd be much, much happier knowing that I could not offend anyone with this odor, by keeping my mouth shut, and just doing my own thing. Needless to say, this problem is making my university experience a complete hell. I also don't look forward to a job in the workforce, where not showing up and doing my work at home is simply not a viable option. Every part time job I have ever had has crash and burned because of bad breath.
Garrett123, in regards to your post, I fully understand everything you are dealing with. Your comments hit me hard, as I have also considered suicide in the past. I can't help but realize how devastating this situation is, when we approach someone with this problem and can't help but turn away, when we infact know what kind of pain this causes. To answer your questions:
1) mouth and throat.
2) I have a pretty much dead set regimen to try and combat this issue. My first and foremost solution is hydrogen peroxide. I posted in a thread earlier ("bad breath has cha.... part 1") where I detail a process involving h202 that I use every morning to help with the problem. I also use an ear dropper to place a h202/water/bakingsoda/salt mixture into each of my nostrils, and let it burn and run it's course for a minute or so, before blowing my nose. I take a toothbrush and toothpaste to university with me, and brush my teeth before every class. I use Listerine on a fairly often basis. I find Scope makes my breath much worse, and doesn't cleanse like Listerine. I also gargle with Therabreath mouthwashes in my free time. It doesn't cure the problem, but helps get the saliva flowing. I figure I might as well use up my Therabreath cache anyhow, to make me feel like that 500 dollars I spent on the "kit" wasn't a complete and utter waste, lol. I also tonsil squeeze, and floss numerous times a day, after every meal.
3) I don't currently have a significant other, but when I do, the relationships always end within 2-3 weeks. I have almost given up trying, and moreoften than not, avoid any situation in which I am forced to talk to a female.
4) Absolutely not. Any doctor, dentist, or health professional either disregard me as dirty and henceforth "lazy" (ie, not worth the waste of time), or try to make a few bucks off of me.
5) I would love a pet! Unfortunately, I do have allergies. I do fully understand your comment, however. Having a pet can easily relieve a lot of stress. I may consider a puppy sooner or later, despite getting the stuffed up nose.
Anyhow, that's all I have for now. Keep posting any findings you all come across that can possibly help, or even cure this problem!
Ranger
Louise2
08-08-2004, 08:25 AM
Hi all,
Im still hear also. I dont often post many things,but I always read. I feel the strongest conection with so many of you. We are all going through the same humiliation.
I can not help to wonder, how a few of you lovley kind people manage to get married and hold down relationships, you are extremly lucky and I truly wish I was able to be in love. Like the Ranger,I can not get past a few weeks being with someone,before they leave me. My breath is just unbearable for them. I dream about being able to kiss some and totally relax. Instead, when it does hapen,which is not often, I kiss for 5 seconds before pulling away. I even try to breath in, when I kiss a male,hoping that he can not smell my fetus breath.
Someone mentioned on hear about long papilla on the tongue. I am almost certain that this is my problem, combined with a dry mouth. When I look close at my tongue,it is very rough to look at and touch. Like shag pile carpet is the closest thing that would describe it. Has any one heard how to actually trim the papilla?
By the way...suiside has not crossed my mind so much that I would go ahead with it,but I always think...if I was to die of some other cause...it wouldnt worry me. Put an end to all of this pain.
My problem has turned me into a hermit. I prefer to be alone. I do go out, but onlyto places that I know I will feel safe in. But most of the time its alone..I just put my head down,dont get close to people and go about my buisness. A few times, I have even done a self test whilst shopping ect. Ive spoken closley ( this is hard) to a shop assistant and just watched this persons reaction. Always bad,they back off. I have also noticed that when I do speak with people,they stare at my mouth. Has anyone else noticed that?I also see others rub there noses,Im not sure if Im being over paranoid,but does this happen when you all speak to others?
Take care my friends
Im still hear also. I dont often post many things,but I always read. I feel the strongest conection with so many of you. We are all going through the same humiliation.
I can not help to wonder, how a few of you lovley kind people manage to get married and hold down relationships, you are extremly lucky and I truly wish I was able to be in love. Like the Ranger,I can not get past a few weeks being with someone,before they leave me. My breath is just unbearable for them. I dream about being able to kiss some and totally relax. Instead, when it does hapen,which is not often, I kiss for 5 seconds before pulling away. I even try to breath in, when I kiss a male,hoping that he can not smell my fetus breath.
Someone mentioned on hear about long papilla on the tongue. I am almost certain that this is my problem, combined with a dry mouth. When I look close at my tongue,it is very rough to look at and touch. Like shag pile carpet is the closest thing that would describe it. Has any one heard how to actually trim the papilla?
By the way...suiside has not crossed my mind so much that I would go ahead with it,but I always think...if I was to die of some other cause...it wouldnt worry me. Put an end to all of this pain.
My problem has turned me into a hermit. I prefer to be alone. I do go out, but onlyto places that I know I will feel safe in. But most of the time its alone..I just put my head down,dont get close to people and go about my buisness. A few times, I have even done a self test whilst shopping ect. Ive spoken closley ( this is hard) to a shop assistant and just watched this persons reaction. Always bad,they back off. I have also noticed that when I do speak with people,they stare at my mouth. Has anyone else noticed that?I also see others rub there noses,Im not sure if Im being over paranoid,but does this happen when you all speak to others?
Take care my friends
Dear Maggie
08-08-2004, 10:59 AM
I don't know whether this is appliable in your cases; however, metallic taste is one of the signs of too much of some type of chemical overexposure ...
I've shared the list someplace on this forum already.
Also, isn't there a new testing device for health problems that all you have to do is blow your breath into a machine and it can tell you what is wrong health-wise? If anyone has this info, could you share?
Some input doctors could ask of people harmed by a common cleaning and degreaser chemical (ethylene glycol monobutyl ether) is as follows:
Doctor, Some helps in diagnosis of unexplainable fatigue (red blood damage?)
· What is happening with the red blood cells?
· What size are they?
· What shape?
· What is the ‘Retic’ ratio?
· Iron storage and utilization?
· Complete Blood Counts with differentials
· Absolute Cell count (part of routine blood test)
Let your patient explain his/her own symptoms to you.
Ask about headaches
Ask about the ‘loosing temper quickly’
Ask about the fatigue - how he used to be able to work, vs now
Remember a time when urine turned dark or even black _____; Then flu-like symptoms ___
Ask about vision (can become ‘legally blind’) Holes in eye tissue?
(DO NOT MIST) The worst exposure to this chemical –
Remember a time when your eyes burned like hot pokers were in them
Ask about Rapid heart rate, and the size of heart chambers - any enlarged glands
Ask about rapid weight loss (check liver?)
Ask about blood in urine in recent years – 'Have you had times when you feel like you need to urinate, but nothing happens?' (check kidney/adrenals?)
Ask about skin damage ___ Ask about the ‘kerosene type chemical’ that was at the Dayville dump when he was red bagging … & how it spilled & melted his gloves and boots.
Any sinus or lung problems?
Difficulty sleeping at night?
Depression, difficulty concentrating, short-term memory loss?
Any suicidal tendencies?
...Had temperature that is high or low for no reason?
Seizures ____ , Collapsing _____
Joint pain
Ask if there have been any irregularities with any of the endocrine glands:
Thyroid___, Pituitary ___, Hypothalamus ___, Growth Irregularities ____, Pancreas: Insulin ___, Blood sugar ___, Digestive Juices _____,
Blood Pressure: High ___, Low ___ . Adrenal Glands: ____, Hormones off ____
Immune system out of whack, ‘Catch everything that is going around & you stay ill longer? ____ Gall Bladder Affected _____, Any reproductive harm? ____ damage to testes – burning semen ____
Bouts with paralysis
Grande Mal Seizures
Any swollen, ulcerated organs:
Gall bladder ___
Spleen ___
Pancreas ___
Testes ___
Heart ___
These ___ Other ____
Do your bones hurt?
Any of these symptoms of hemolytic anemia *
Chills
Fatigue
Pale color
Shortness of breath
Rapid heart rate
Yellow skin color (jaundice)
Dark urine (indicative of blood in urine - never dismiss this! Stop exposure immediately!)
Enlarged spleen
If too many immature red blood cells, other tests may be off
This chemical also causes: Narcosis
Damage to the kidney
Damage to the liver
Present an abnormal blood picture showing: Erythropenia
Present an abnormal blood picture showing: Reticulocytosis
Present an abnormal blood picture showing: Granulocytosis
Present an abnormal blood picture showing: Leukocytosis
Likely to Cause Fragility of Erythrocytes
Likely to Cause Hematuria
from Hemat = blood and
uria = of urine
· Hematuria simply means blood in the urine
Causes Central Nervous System (CNS) DEPRESSION *
Loss of taste
Headaches and Stupor.
Causes skin irritation.
Causes severe eye irritation - damage to tissue possible
Irritating to mucous membranes and upper respiratory tract
2-butoxyethanol
CHRONIC EFFECTS - TARGET ORGANS:
SENSE ORGANS AND SPECIAL SENSES (OTHER OLFACTION EFFECTS)
SENSE ORGANS AND SPECIAL SENSES (OTHER EYE EFFECTS)
BEHAVIORAL (GENERAL ANESTHETIC)
BEHAVIORAL (ALTERED SLEEP TIME)
BEHAVIORAL (SOMNOLENCE)
BEHAVIORAL (EXCITEMENT)
BEHAVIORAL (ATAXIA)
BEHAVIORAL (COMA)
BEHAVIORAL (ANALGESIA) LUNGS, THORAX OR RESPIRATION (DYSPNAE)
LUNGS, THORAX OR RESPIRATION (OTHER CHANGES)
GASTROINTESTINAL (NAUSEA OR VOMITING)
GASTROINTESTINAL (OTHER CHANGES)
LIVER (TUMORS)
KIDNEY, URETER, BLADDER (HEMATURIA)
KIDNEY, URETER, BLADDER (OTHER CHANGES)
ENDOCRINE (TUMORS)
SKIN AND APPENDAGES (HAIR)
MATERNAL EFFECTS (UTERUS, CERVIX, VAGINA)
MATERNAL EFFECTS (OTHER EFFECTS ON FEMALE)
EFFECTS ON FERTILITY (PRE-IMPLANTATION MORTALITY)
EFFECTS ON FERTILITY (POST-IMPLANTATION MORTALITY)
EFFECTS ON FERTILITY (LITTER SIZE)
SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTAL ABNORMALITIES (MUSCULOSKELETAL SYSTEM)
SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTAL ABNORMALITIES (CARDIOVASCULAR SYSTEM)
NUTRITIONAL AND GROSS METABOLIC (WEIGHT LOSS OR DECREASED WEIGHT GAIN)
NUTRITIONAL AND GROSS METABOLIC (CHANGES IN: METABOLIC ACIDOSIS)
TUMORIGENIC (CARCINOGENIC BY RTECS CRITERIA)
TUMORIGENIC (EQUIVOCAL TUMORIGENIC AGENT BY RTECS CRITERIA)
I am so hopeful that doctors who understand these things will help you and the many others even in the general population who are harmed by this chemical. It is in many, many products and the public is not suspecting the serious harm it can cause.
2-butoxyethanol is the chemical of harm for the Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup workers; also a chemical that Gulf War Troops were exposed to.
12% by weight in Inipol EAP 22 - the 'bioremediation' compound of Exxon's Experiment
Also in Corexit at 38% NOT SAFE
(Know any Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup workers -Bioremediation workers, Coast Guard monitors; US Navy that helped then have known exposures to 2-butoxyethanol. They are valuable to medical science as a comparison group. Compare these to CFS, CFIDS & ‘Gulf War Syndrome’ Vets! They will notice an all-the-time-fatigue; you will notice a very grouchy personality change.)
I've shared the list someplace on this forum already.
Also, isn't there a new testing device for health problems that all you have to do is blow your breath into a machine and it can tell you what is wrong health-wise? If anyone has this info, could you share?
Some input doctors could ask of people harmed by a common cleaning and degreaser chemical (ethylene glycol monobutyl ether) is as follows:
Doctor, Some helps in diagnosis of unexplainable fatigue (red blood damage?)
· What is happening with the red blood cells?
· What size are they?
· What shape?
· What is the ‘Retic’ ratio?
· Iron storage and utilization?
· Complete Blood Counts with differentials
· Absolute Cell count (part of routine blood test)
Let your patient explain his/her own symptoms to you.
Ask about headaches
Ask about the ‘loosing temper quickly’
Ask about the fatigue - how he used to be able to work, vs now
Remember a time when urine turned dark or even black _____; Then flu-like symptoms ___
Ask about vision (can become ‘legally blind’) Holes in eye tissue?
(DO NOT MIST) The worst exposure to this chemical –
Remember a time when your eyes burned like hot pokers were in them
Ask about Rapid heart rate, and the size of heart chambers - any enlarged glands
Ask about rapid weight loss (check liver?)
Ask about blood in urine in recent years – 'Have you had times when you feel like you need to urinate, but nothing happens?' (check kidney/adrenals?)
Ask about skin damage ___ Ask about the ‘kerosene type chemical’ that was at the Dayville dump when he was red bagging … & how it spilled & melted his gloves and boots.
Any sinus or lung problems?
Difficulty sleeping at night?
Depression, difficulty concentrating, short-term memory loss?
Any suicidal tendencies?
...Had temperature that is high or low for no reason?
Seizures ____ , Collapsing _____
Joint pain
Ask if there have been any irregularities with any of the endocrine glands:
Thyroid___, Pituitary ___, Hypothalamus ___, Growth Irregularities ____, Pancreas: Insulin ___, Blood sugar ___, Digestive Juices _____,
Blood Pressure: High ___, Low ___ . Adrenal Glands: ____, Hormones off ____
Immune system out of whack, ‘Catch everything that is going around & you stay ill longer? ____ Gall Bladder Affected _____, Any reproductive harm? ____ damage to testes – burning semen ____
Bouts with paralysis
Grande Mal Seizures
Any swollen, ulcerated organs:
Gall bladder ___
Spleen ___
Pancreas ___
Testes ___
Heart ___
These ___ Other ____
Do your bones hurt?
Any of these symptoms of hemolytic anemia *
Chills
Fatigue
Pale color
Shortness of breath
Rapid heart rate
Yellow skin color (jaundice)
Dark urine (indicative of blood in urine - never dismiss this! Stop exposure immediately!)
Enlarged spleen
If too many immature red blood cells, other tests may be off
This chemical also causes: Narcosis
Damage to the kidney
Damage to the liver
Present an abnormal blood picture showing: Erythropenia
Present an abnormal blood picture showing: Reticulocytosis
Present an abnormal blood picture showing: Granulocytosis
Present an abnormal blood picture showing: Leukocytosis
Likely to Cause Fragility of Erythrocytes
Likely to Cause Hematuria
from Hemat = blood and
uria = of urine
· Hematuria simply means blood in the urine
Causes Central Nervous System (CNS) DEPRESSION *
Loss of taste
Headaches and Stupor.
Causes skin irritation.
Causes severe eye irritation - damage to tissue possible
Irritating to mucous membranes and upper respiratory tract
2-butoxyethanol
CHRONIC EFFECTS - TARGET ORGANS:
SENSE ORGANS AND SPECIAL SENSES (OTHER OLFACTION EFFECTS)
SENSE ORGANS AND SPECIAL SENSES (OTHER EYE EFFECTS)
BEHAVIORAL (GENERAL ANESTHETIC)
BEHAVIORAL (ALTERED SLEEP TIME)
BEHAVIORAL (SOMNOLENCE)
BEHAVIORAL (EXCITEMENT)
BEHAVIORAL (ATAXIA)
BEHAVIORAL (COMA)
BEHAVIORAL (ANALGESIA) LUNGS, THORAX OR RESPIRATION (DYSPNAE)
LUNGS, THORAX OR RESPIRATION (OTHER CHANGES)
GASTROINTESTINAL (NAUSEA OR VOMITING)
GASTROINTESTINAL (OTHER CHANGES)
LIVER (TUMORS)
KIDNEY, URETER, BLADDER (HEMATURIA)
KIDNEY, URETER, BLADDER (OTHER CHANGES)
ENDOCRINE (TUMORS)
SKIN AND APPENDAGES (HAIR)
MATERNAL EFFECTS (UTERUS, CERVIX, VAGINA)
MATERNAL EFFECTS (OTHER EFFECTS ON FEMALE)
EFFECTS ON FERTILITY (PRE-IMPLANTATION MORTALITY)
EFFECTS ON FERTILITY (POST-IMPLANTATION MORTALITY)
EFFECTS ON FERTILITY (LITTER SIZE)
SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTAL ABNORMALITIES (MUSCULOSKELETAL SYSTEM)
SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTAL ABNORMALITIES (CARDIOVASCULAR SYSTEM)
NUTRITIONAL AND GROSS METABOLIC (WEIGHT LOSS OR DECREASED WEIGHT GAIN)
NUTRITIONAL AND GROSS METABOLIC (CHANGES IN: METABOLIC ACIDOSIS)
TUMORIGENIC (CARCINOGENIC BY RTECS CRITERIA)
TUMORIGENIC (EQUIVOCAL TUMORIGENIC AGENT BY RTECS CRITERIA)
I am so hopeful that doctors who understand these things will help you and the many others even in the general population who are harmed by this chemical. It is in many, many products and the public is not suspecting the serious harm it can cause.
2-butoxyethanol is the chemical of harm for the Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup workers; also a chemical that Gulf War Troops were exposed to.
12% by weight in Inipol EAP 22 - the 'bioremediation' compound of Exxon's Experiment
Also in Corexit at 38% NOT SAFE
(Know any Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup workers -Bioremediation workers, Coast Guard monitors; US Navy that helped then have known exposures to 2-butoxyethanol. They are valuable to medical science as a comparison group. Compare these to CFS, CFIDS & ‘Gulf War Syndrome’ Vets! They will notice an all-the-time-fatigue; you will notice a very grouchy personality change.)
BUSTED2
08-08-2004, 11:24 AM
A few times, I have even done a self test whilst shopping ect. Ive spoken closley ( this is hard) to a shop assistant and just watched this persons reaction. Always bad,they back off. I have also noticed that when I do speak with people,they stare at my mouth. Has anyone else noticed that?I also see others rub there noses,Im not sure if Im being over paranoid,but does this happen when you all speak to others?
Take care my friends
Yea, that's also the reason why I don't talk much. People at school hate me. They say that I'm very arrogant because I always look at the ground when I talk and not in their eyes.
Take care my friends
Yea, that's also the reason why I don't talk much. People at school hate me. They say that I'm very arrogant because I always look at the ground when I talk and not in their eyes.
Garrett123
08-08-2004, 03:01 PM
HI all again-
just wanted to drop a line and say its comforting to read the similarities in our problems... although I wish each and every one of us didn't have this horrid problem. I do get really down about it, it consumes my thoughts, although I would never "end" my life. There were times I thought I couldn't bare this ridicule anymore. But life as much more to offer, and I see we are all strong on this string, so lets fight till we win this battle.
Louise, Ranger, I like you have had relationships end very quickly after they see that it wasn't just a one time thing-
and that my garlicy Italian dinner just gave me bad breath for an evening. Its all the time. Right now I have been with my girlfriend for 4 months. I know she knows, but i do have mints in my pocket at all times, I seem to kiss her "mouth closed" during the day, and when we are intimate ( sorry for being so open ) I come to bed with the cleanest mouth I can get after a 15 min routine in the bathroom at night. In the morning I am in there bright and early before she can even kiss me or get near me. And even this doesn't clear it up. But in the morning, WATCH out! Its the normal morning breath times TEN! What I would give to have a normal morning breath that everyone else has, and a brush of the teeth for a minute would get rid of! But alas, I have the stench from hell.
Ranger, when I am in a car, its noticeable, I am a windows-down driver/rider, I feel most comfortable this way. At Work, I am in an open area by myself, so I don't scare anyone off this way. But when I do interact, its hard and if I don't have somekind of mint or gum in my mouth I stress out!!! I think people are trying to be nicer about it, and ASK me if I have any mints when its bad, rather than giving me one. ( it really hurts, but I move on... )
keep the heads up! I will continue researching whatever I can! Lets keep trying until we fine what eliminates it! I bet 98% of us have the same deficiency or overload of something within us.
just wanted to drop a line and say its comforting to read the similarities in our problems... although I wish each and every one of us didn't have this horrid problem. I do get really down about it, it consumes my thoughts, although I would never "end" my life. There were times I thought I couldn't bare this ridicule anymore. But life as much more to offer, and I see we are all strong on this string, so lets fight till we win this battle.
Louise, Ranger, I like you have had relationships end very quickly after they see that it wasn't just a one time thing-
and that my garlicy Italian dinner just gave me bad breath for an evening. Its all the time. Right now I have been with my girlfriend for 4 months. I know she knows, but i do have mints in my pocket at all times, I seem to kiss her "mouth closed" during the day, and when we are intimate ( sorry for being so open ) I come to bed with the cleanest mouth I can get after a 15 min routine in the bathroom at night. In the morning I am in there bright and early before she can even kiss me or get near me. And even this doesn't clear it up. But in the morning, WATCH out! Its the normal morning breath times TEN! What I would give to have a normal morning breath that everyone else has, and a brush of the teeth for a minute would get rid of! But alas, I have the stench from hell.
Ranger, when I am in a car, its noticeable, I am a windows-down driver/rider, I feel most comfortable this way. At Work, I am in an open area by myself, so I don't scare anyone off this way. But when I do interact, its hard and if I don't have somekind of mint or gum in my mouth I stress out!!! I think people are trying to be nicer about it, and ASK me if I have any mints when its bad, rather than giving me one. ( it really hurts, but I move on... )
keep the heads up! I will continue researching whatever I can! Lets keep trying until we fine what eliminates it! I bet 98% of us have the same deficiency or overload of something within us.
TheRanger
08-08-2004, 08:53 PM
Louise, good to hear from you again. I'm sorry to hear your situation is the same. We will beat this one day, you can count on it.
I have been thinking of taking the silver product mentioned a few times within this thread. I hear it does wonders for the sinus, which I do believe is a major factor with my halitosis. I am just debating the healthiness of it, as I have read a few horror stories pertaining to certain side effects of the supplementation.
I am ashamed to state as well, that I have recently starting smoking cigarettes. I am often (read: nearly every waking minute) consumed with a deep feeling of embarassment associated with my bad breath, and have come to really find the immediate effects of smoking very calming. I am hesitant to say this, but I have noticed that it helps my breath somewhat as well. Smoking really gets my saliva flowing, and after a cigarette I notice if I "hork a loogie", I get rid of a lot of phlegm by collecting it and spitting out. This wasn't possible before had I not smoked just previously. It also clears up my nose, and enables me to breath out of both nostrils, something I can not often do. To add to the matter, occasionally I find that talking to others is somewhat easier, as they pass you off as having "smoke breath" (something many people have), rather than the misunderstood disgusting sulphur odor that very few of the population afflicted with halitosis, does indeed have. I don't plan on being a regular smoker, but for the time being I will continue for a short period.
BUSTED2, alas, I have often dealt with that as well. Because I rarely look at someone I am speaking with, I am often pegged as rude, or arrogant. I don't plan on changing how I interact with others, as I feel that being pegged arrogant is better than being pegged as a dirty, "lazy", human being. If only they knew.
I am thinking that I may have sinusitus, or a chronic sinus infection as well. Brandon, you mentioned that following your tonsillectomy, for a brief period of time you were bad breath free. During that time, you were taking antibiotics. I noticed that after I got my wisdom teeth removed and was on a strict antibiotic regimen, I was fairly bad breath free. I will most likely see my doctor a week or so after my tonsilectomy when my antibiotics run out, and ask for a resupply, stating numerous problems I am having associated with an infection. (ie, blowing green gunk from the nose, sinus headaches, etc) If i do infact find that my breath gets better after the use of antibiotics, I will pursue a sinus drainage, or another operation.
Just out of curiousity, how many of you find that when breathing out of your nose, your nose is blocked? For me it seems as if either one nostril is blocked, or the other. It changes quite often, but always one is much harder to exhale from, compared to the other.
I have had asthma when I was young, and I have heard that asthma can be associated with bad breath. I know however that I have grown out of it. In my immediate family, I was the only one diagnosed with it, and it follows that I am the only one with halitosis. Just out of curiousity, does anyone else have asthma?
Anyhow, that's all for now. Let's keep this discussion going. It doesn't take a genius to realize that the medical community is doing absolutely nothing to help or research this problem, so I believe it's up to us. As long as we keep a firm line of communication towards each other, we are certainly on the right track. I have often wanted to communicate on a personal level with a lot of you, but I do know that any posting of emails (or anytihng of that sort) is strictly out of the rules. (I had to learn the hard way :nono: ). Anyhow, I am curious if the mods would make any exceptions. If not, then I suppose this message board will be the appropriate forum for discussion.
Good luck!
I have been thinking of taking the silver product mentioned a few times within this thread. I hear it does wonders for the sinus, which I do believe is a major factor with my halitosis. I am just debating the healthiness of it, as I have read a few horror stories pertaining to certain side effects of the supplementation.
I am ashamed to state as well, that I have recently starting smoking cigarettes. I am often (read: nearly every waking minute) consumed with a deep feeling of embarassment associated with my bad breath, and have come to really find the immediate effects of smoking very calming. I am hesitant to say this, but I have noticed that it helps my breath somewhat as well. Smoking really gets my saliva flowing, and after a cigarette I notice if I "hork a loogie", I get rid of a lot of phlegm by collecting it and spitting out. This wasn't possible before had I not smoked just previously. It also clears up my nose, and enables me to breath out of both nostrils, something I can not often do. To add to the matter, occasionally I find that talking to others is somewhat easier, as they pass you off as having "smoke breath" (something many people have), rather than the misunderstood disgusting sulphur odor that very few of the population afflicted with halitosis, does indeed have. I don't plan on being a regular smoker, but for the time being I will continue for a short period.
BUSTED2, alas, I have often dealt with that as well. Because I rarely look at someone I am speaking with, I am often pegged as rude, or arrogant. I don't plan on changing how I interact with others, as I feel that being pegged arrogant is better than being pegged as a dirty, "lazy", human being. If only they knew.
I am thinking that I may have sinusitus, or a chronic sinus infection as well. Brandon, you mentioned that following your tonsillectomy, for a brief period of time you were bad breath free. During that time, you were taking antibiotics. I noticed that after I got my wisdom teeth removed and was on a strict antibiotic regimen, I was fairly bad breath free. I will most likely see my doctor a week or so after my tonsilectomy when my antibiotics run out, and ask for a resupply, stating numerous problems I am having associated with an infection. (ie, blowing green gunk from the nose, sinus headaches, etc) If i do infact find that my breath gets better after the use of antibiotics, I will pursue a sinus drainage, or another operation.
Just out of curiousity, how many of you find that when breathing out of your nose, your nose is blocked? For me it seems as if either one nostril is blocked, or the other. It changes quite often, but always one is much harder to exhale from, compared to the other.
I have had asthma when I was young, and I have heard that asthma can be associated with bad breath. I know however that I have grown out of it. In my immediate family, I was the only one diagnosed with it, and it follows that I am the only one with halitosis. Just out of curiousity, does anyone else have asthma?
Anyhow, that's all for now. Let's keep this discussion going. It doesn't take a genius to realize that the medical community is doing absolutely nothing to help or research this problem, so I believe it's up to us. As long as we keep a firm line of communication towards each other, we are certainly on the right track. I have often wanted to communicate on a personal level with a lot of you, but I do know that any posting of emails (or anytihng of that sort) is strictly out of the rules. (I had to learn the hard way :nono: ). Anyhow, I am curious if the mods would make any exceptions. If not, then I suppose this message board will be the appropriate forum for discussion.
Good luck!
brandon48
08-09-2004, 04:23 AM
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AsTallAsLions
08-09-2004, 08:20 AM
To centralize the discussion around my tonsils for a moment, AsTallAsLions, I would like to ask you a few things. You feel that a tonsilectomy will cure your bad breath problem. What makes you feel this way? I have pretty much mastered (after years of tonsil squeezing) sticking my entire index finger, or even middle finger far down my throat, without gagging. Many times, I have stuck my finger far down to the back of my tongue, and moved it around rigorously, trying to get whatever substances within that region onto my finger. I then wipe the finger on my arm. After that, I then take my other hand, and repeat the process, only this time moving my finger around my tonsil region, rather than lower extremes of my toungue. I brush the surface of the tonsils, and at times press my finger against it. After this, i wipe my finger on my other arm, and let it dry. I then smell both locations on my arms where i wiped off the saliva, and always notice a far greater stench on the arm where i rubbed off the saliva around my tonsil region.