Angel a falling
06-13-2004, 05:28 AM
Hi.
I was just wondering. I'm trying to lower my body fat and build muscle in the gym so I am drinking a specific energy drink made by Sobe in addition to Twinlab's Ripped fuel fat burner. It has Taurine, Argenine, Ginseng and most importantly-creatine, 25mg's of it. The problem is that it has 72 grams of carbs and 60 grams of sugar in one can. But these products say it helps "stimulate" your metabolism. Is this just a waste of time if I'm trying to get rid of those unloveable handles and deflate the spare tire? Also, if this is ok, how can I stop that sugar from turning to fat in my body? Will the loads of caffeine from Twinlab and this drink in my diet help? I've reduced alot of sugar already which is tough to do and I can't use the sugar free drinks because I'm allergic to artificial sweeteners with this **** IBS. Will drinking lots and lots of water to flush my system help at all. :confused: Any help would be great.
Regards, :)
:angel:
I was just wondering. I'm trying to lower my body fat and build muscle in the gym so I am drinking a specific energy drink made by Sobe in addition to Twinlab's Ripped fuel fat burner. It has Taurine, Argenine, Ginseng and most importantly-creatine, 25mg's of it. The problem is that it has 72 grams of carbs and 60 grams of sugar in one can. But these products say it helps "stimulate" your metabolism. Is this just a waste of time if I'm trying to get rid of those unloveable handles and deflate the spare tire? Also, if this is ok, how can I stop that sugar from turning to fat in my body? Will the loads of caffeine from Twinlab and this drink in my diet help? I've reduced alot of sugar already which is tough to do and I can't use the sugar free drinks because I'm allergic to artificial sweeteners with this **** IBS. Will drinking lots and lots of water to flush my system help at all. :confused: Any help would be great.
Regards, :)
:angel:
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justme_
06-13-2004, 07:36 AM
I'm not sure if you're wasting your weightloss with these drinks. Just remember to count the calories in your diet. You should keep the sugar from turning into fat by burning it off. And after you're done with burning the energy drink off you could start burning the bodyfat off. :confused: Lots of water is always good.
zip2play
06-13-2004, 10:01 AM
Angel,
I think most isolated amino acids are a VERY expensive way to get proteins but that topic is still open to argument.
What REALLY is awful for anyone who is trying to lose fat while gaining muscle is to take a dose of 60 grams of sugar. That seems like the perfect way to subvert all your efforts. :nono: The mere thought of 15 teaspoons of sugar at one time sends shivers up my spine (and pancreas- it sounds like a good way to develop Type 2 Diabetes!)
This stuff must taste like pancake syrup??
I think most isolated amino acids are a VERY expensive way to get proteins but that topic is still open to argument.
What REALLY is awful for anyone who is trying to lose fat while gaining muscle is to take a dose of 60 grams of sugar. That seems like the perfect way to subvert all your efforts. :nono: The mere thought of 15 teaspoons of sugar at one time sends shivers up my spine (and pancreas- it sounds like a good way to develop Type 2 Diabetes!)
This stuff must taste like pancake syrup??
Shane S
06-13-2004, 12:09 PM
Most of the ingredients in this product are in negligible amounts. 25mg of creatine won't do anything, and besides which, creatine in liquid breaks down into creatinine long before you'll be able to drink it. The guarana is pretty low dose as well, as is the carnitine. The amount of taurine isn't too bad, though. I'm a big fan of sugar post-workout, but this is high fructose corn syrup, so I'm going to have to reject it for then, too.
If the Ripped Fuel is ephedra free, I'd pass it up for better options.
Nothing wrong with 60g doses of sugar. I take them all the time. They should just be timed properly and limited throughout the rest of the day, and the rest of the diet should be good enough so that the calories fit in there.
If the Ripped Fuel is ephedra free, I'd pass it up for better options.
Nothing wrong with 60g doses of sugar. I take them all the time. They should just be timed properly and limited throughout the rest of the day, and the rest of the diet should be good enough so that the calories fit in there.
justme_
06-13-2004, 12:13 PM
I'm a big fan of sugar post-workout....
Nothing wrong with 60g doses of sugar. I take them all the time. They should just be timed properly and limited throughout the rest of the day, and the rest of the diet should be good enough so that the calories fit in there.
Really? Why would sugar after your work out be good? When and how should you take it in then? Explain...
Nothing wrong with 60g doses of sugar. I take them all the time. They should just be timed properly and limited throughout the rest of the day, and the rest of the diet should be good enough so that the calories fit in there.
Really? Why would sugar after your work out be good? When and how should you take it in then? Explain...
Shane S
06-13-2004, 05:44 PM
You want to restore your glycogen stores. Granted, the amount and type of carbs are debateable, but some type of carbs should be consumed post-workout, within half an hour.
justme_
06-13-2004, 05:52 PM
Really? Wouldn't whole-grain carbs be better? Wouldn't sugar cause your body to start storing fat? It's like when you do cardio, first you burn off the glycogen or something, and after that you start burning the fat. Then afterwards you have to restore your glycogen. But isn't that done naturally? I mean, afterwards you always feel a rush of energy right? Doesn't that mean your body is converting the fat into energy, and using the energy as glycogen? Or something? Do you also have to eat carbs after weightlifting, cause I usually just eat meat after that. With salad. Would a mix be best? Some protein, some carbs? And how about the cardio thing? Would protein be good? I don't understand...
angel333
06-14-2004, 07:01 PM
If you take something to increase your metabolism (caffeine/guarana), once you stop taking it, the body is messed up and many people gain all the weight back and more. You may not be able to legally get Ripped Fuel with ephedra anymore, as it is banned in many states, possibly nationwide by now. Creatine can cause water-retention in the muscles, the best kind would be the serum from muscle marketing that you just take on the days you work out. Fat metabolism boosters are better, such as carnitine or CLA. Ripped Fuel has caffeine and carnitine, but maybe the carnitine by itself would work better for you. If you get to a point where the Ripped Fuel "stopped working", it may be because it is burning out your adrenal glands. You would have to stop for awhile to get it to work again.
Shane S
06-14-2004, 07:42 PM
Dextrose makes the nutrients get to the muscles quicker. Some prefer something lower GI like oatmeal, though. You shouldn't store fat if you're using it to repair the muscles. The only way to restore glycogen is to eat some carbs.
Carbs after weight lifting are even more important than they are after cardio. My post-cardio shake is 1:1 carbs:protein, whereas my post-weights shake is 2:1 carbs:protein.
Yes, a mix is best (whey protein shake) after both cardio and weights. No fats, though, as you don't want to slow the absorption. Fats aren't so bad in a post-workout meal, but that should be occurring at least an hour after working out.
Although ephedra is banned, ephedrine HCL is still available legally.
Carbs after weight lifting are even more important than they are after cardio. My post-cardio shake is 1:1 carbs:protein, whereas my post-weights shake is 2:1 carbs:protein.
Yes, a mix is best (whey protein shake) after both cardio and weights. No fats, though, as you don't want to slow the absorption. Fats aren't so bad in a post-workout meal, but that should be occurring at least an hour after working out.
Although ephedra is banned, ephedrine HCL is still available legally.
justme_
06-15-2004, 10:27 AM
But slowing the absorbtion I heard was better? Like proteins take longer to absorb, so it will keep you full longer?
modert
06-15-2004, 11:54 AM
But slowing the absorbtion I heard was better? Like proteins take longer to absorb, so it will keep you full longer?
Its a bit different for athletes and bodybuilders. They deplete their system through their workout and need to replenish. Glucose will not store as fat if it is burned. Same with protein. If you are not working out or bodybuilding, slower absorption of glucose is more desireable because the rate at which you burn it is much slower.
Its a bit different for athletes and bodybuilders. They deplete their system through their workout and need to replenish. Glucose will not store as fat if it is burned. Same with protein. If you are not working out or bodybuilding, slower absorption of glucose is more desireable because the rate at which you burn it is much slower.
justme_
06-15-2004, 01:06 PM
But...After the work-out you're not burning anymore, right?
modert
06-15-2004, 01:19 PM
Well, the body is always burning something, even if not working out. A certain amount of fuel is required just to maintain body function (this is referred to as the Basal Metabolic Rate or BMR - how many calories the body needs just to function) If a workout has depleted every last bit of the body's resources you need to replenesh so you can walk, breathe, think, etc...
zip2play
06-16-2004, 10:20 AM
Rather than dumping a pile of glucose into my system after a workout, I like to let my body get to work on some of the stored body-fats...why prevent it by taking a useless pile of sugar?
That doesn't pertain, of course to those lucky enough to have no body-fat...but they are getting harder to find.
Of course somebody training for a marathon or the Tour-de-France may need to keep their muscles full of the maximum amount of glycogen for their intense aerobic needs. But these are not people who are trying to lose a gut while building some attractive beach muscle. The latter group very rarely needs an extra 16 tsp. of sugar to stay healthy and trim!
Remember that A 50 GRAM dose of dextrose (glucose) is considered a "hyperglycemic insult" medically and is used as a test to determine how the body can recover. It is diagnostic for diabetes and hypoglycemia. That's a LOT of sugar!
That doesn't pertain, of course to those lucky enough to have no body-fat...but they are getting harder to find.
Of course somebody training for a marathon or the Tour-de-France may need to keep their muscles full of the maximum amount of glycogen for their intense aerobic needs. But these are not people who are trying to lose a gut while building some attractive beach muscle. The latter group very rarely needs an extra 16 tsp. of sugar to stay healthy and trim!
Remember that A 50 GRAM dose of dextrose (glucose) is considered a "hyperglycemic insult" medically and is used as a test to determine how the body can recover. It is diagnostic for diabetes and hypoglycemia. That's a LOT of sugar!
Shane S
06-16-2004, 07:10 PM
Carbs post-workout won't prevent fat burn. Granted, they may inhibit it somewhat. The question is: do you want to burn muscle with that fat? I realize a lot of people would answer yes to that question. That's why there's such an obsession with scales rather than mirrors.
Your points are well taken, which is why I mentioned low glycemic alternatives. I don't believe there's really any need for them, but there's always that option.
Your points are well taken, which is why I mentioned low glycemic alternatives. I don't believe there's really any need for them, but there's always that option.
zip2play
06-17-2004, 09:56 AM
Shane,
I think of it this way...the time for the benefits of muscles and a liver full of glycogen is DURING a heavy workout when calories are consumed. Muscle tissue is destroyed and glucose is consumed at a furious rate duing an hour or two of this.
I think the demand to burn protein for glucose (presuming glycogen stores are reduced to zero is VERY slight unless you've just hit mile 23 of the marathon...(we'll leave Atkins' theory out of the equation.:D)
After a huge workout, when plunked in front of the TV with a very light protein-low glycemic carb snack, I think you will enjoy a continued fat loss (hearts love to burn fat) with minimum lean tissue scavenging...
During sleep that night, a reasonable amount of protein being digested in the gut should help rebuild the muscle that was mangled during the workout.
I guess we should be careful to differentiate betweeen types of workouts. There's a HUGE difference in needs between Marathon training and power lifting and in the case of the former I'd tend to hate this 60 gram sugar "energy drink" somewhat less than in the case of an avid bodybuilder (my main concern.)
Remember that fat isn't devoid of a carbohydrate contribution. Not that it's a huge amount but 10% of a triglyceride molecule is Glycerol which isn't much different than a glucose complex (like glycogen) and can be used accordingly!
All said, the thought of 60 grams of instant sugar hit makes me queazy! With ANY tendency to hypoglymemia, a person could pass out from the insulin hit (which of course will also block fat burning :(:(...eccch!)
I think of it this way...the time for the benefits of muscles and a liver full of glycogen is DURING a heavy workout when calories are consumed. Muscle tissue is destroyed and glucose is consumed at a furious rate duing an hour or two of this.
I think the demand to burn protein for glucose (presuming glycogen stores are reduced to zero is VERY slight unless you've just hit mile 23 of the marathon...(we'll leave Atkins' theory out of the equation.:D)
After a huge workout, when plunked in front of the TV with a very light protein-low glycemic carb snack, I think you will enjoy a continued fat loss (hearts love to burn fat) with minimum lean tissue scavenging...
During sleep that night, a reasonable amount of protein being digested in the gut should help rebuild the muscle that was mangled during the workout.
I guess we should be careful to differentiate betweeen types of workouts. There's a HUGE difference in needs between Marathon training and power lifting and in the case of the former I'd tend to hate this 60 gram sugar "energy drink" somewhat less than in the case of an avid bodybuilder (my main concern.)
Remember that fat isn't devoid of a carbohydrate contribution. Not that it's a huge amount but 10% of a triglyceride molecule is Glycerol which isn't much different than a glucose complex (like glycogen) and can be used accordingly!
All said, the thought of 60 grams of instant sugar hit makes me queazy! With ANY tendency to hypoglymemia, a person could pass out from the insulin hit (which of course will also block fat burning :(:(...eccch!)
Shane S
06-17-2004, 06:56 PM
Muscles build after a workout rather than during, although I do agree you need good glycogen stores before and during as well.
The protein during sleep should be from a completely different meal than that which is post-workout.
A workout's a workout, unless someone's lounging about like they're at the Holiday Inn. Carbs and protein should be present after for both cardio and lifting, albeit arguably in differing amounts.
If someone gets fat, it's not from consuming sugar at one point during the day. The balance of their diet needs to be taken into account.
The protein during sleep should be from a completely different meal than that which is post-workout.
A workout's a workout, unless someone's lounging about like they're at the Holiday Inn. Carbs and protein should be present after for both cardio and lifting, albeit arguably in differing amounts.
If someone gets fat, it's not from consuming sugar at one point during the day. The balance of their diet needs to be taken into account.