siren3
08-06-2004, 05:56 AM
I'm just curious. And, how many of you use a tanning bed? I've never used one and was just wondering what kind of advice you'd have about it. Please, no lectures about how bad the sun or tanning beds are, I already know. Thanks a lot. :)
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rubydoo63
08-06-2004, 09:08 AM
Hi Siren3:
I tan on a regular basis, usually starting in April, and continue through September. I tan for me ---it makes me feel better!! You won't get any lectures from me.
The most important thing to remember is to start slow. I have light-medium skin that burns easily and is hard to tan.
For my first 3 sessions, I only do 8 minutes, then up it to 10 for 3 more. After that, I am ready for the maximum of 15 minutes. I go to a place that had 3 levels of beds. I use a "2 star" bed, the medium level.
For me, the indoor tanning lotions do not help, so I don't use any thing.
This will definitely dry your skin, so make sure you moisturize when you are done.
Rubydoo.
I tan on a regular basis, usually starting in April, and continue through September. I tan for me ---it makes me feel better!! You won't get any lectures from me.
The most important thing to remember is to start slow. I have light-medium skin that burns easily and is hard to tan.
For my first 3 sessions, I only do 8 minutes, then up it to 10 for 3 more. After that, I am ready for the maximum of 15 minutes. I go to a place that had 3 levels of beds. I use a "2 star" bed, the medium level.
For me, the indoor tanning lotions do not help, so I don't use any thing.
This will definitely dry your skin, so make sure you moisturize when you are done.
Rubydoo.
susieq0726
08-06-2004, 09:34 AM
I have been a "tanaholic" for over 15 yrs. I would start in May and go through September. I can't stand white legs in the summer. I have darker skin to begin with, so I can start at 15 minutes right off the bat.
The only thing I would warn you about is tanning your face. Don't let it get too dark, and the older you get the lines will show. I haven't tanned as much this year as a result of a line between my eyebrows. But then again, I just turned 42! (YUCK!)
The only thing I would warn you about is tanning your face. Don't let it get too dark, and the older you get the lines will show. I haven't tanned as much this year as a result of a line between my eyebrows. But then again, I just turned 42! (YUCK!)
jill30
08-06-2004, 09:41 AM
I am 31 and have been going to tanning salons since I was 15. I tan from June to the end of August. I love to look tan. It gives me such confidence when I wear shorts and sundresses. I use the stand up 8 minute booth. My husband doesn't understand why I just do not lay out in the yard. It is totally different when you tan at the salon. You get an all even tan and no tanning lines(I go naked in the booth). Good luck and have fun with your new tan body.
maak823
08-06-2004, 10:08 AM
I am really fair and I start tanning in March and go through Sept / Oct- just take it slow- start for 5-8 minutes and work your way up. There is a really good tanning lotion called Halo- it actually has an SPF4 in it to block UVB rays and I get a really good color from it. I just a foundation with an SPF 30 in it- so that my face doesn't look like leather when I am 50 LOL. I've been doing it for years and haven't had any problems- just dont Fry yourself!
cha-cha-chica
08-06-2004, 01:23 PM
Thanks for the tips you guys! haha I too have been wondering about tanning beds, so this is great for me. I've got such fair skin that has never been able to tan since I was a kid, so maybe the tanning salon will do the trick!
jojo64
08-06-2004, 03:55 PM
I tan too - with a sunless tanner!
BostonGirl44
08-06-2004, 04:51 PM
I am pretty pale myself so I need to go tanning because I can't stand pasty legs lol. I go for about 15 minutes for 1 or 2 months in May/June then I continue once or twice a week for the rest of the year to keep a glow. I always put suntan lotion on my face to prevent burning.
SweetPuff
08-07-2004, 11:41 AM
I tan too - with a sunless tanner!
Dido on that!!!!!!!!
Ok, I know you don't want lectures...but, even if you aren't burning you are still damaging your skin and being young you probably don't care now, but trust me you will! My mom is 60 and stays out of the sun. When she went to her class reunion in her 50's she looked 35 and the other women looked 75! I have olive skin and used to love love love the sun, but I stopped tanning in my early 20's. I can even tell just from my younger years that I have more freckles than I would've and the skin on my legs is not as smooth/elastic as it could've been.
NOW.......I know a very very pale girl who is also a model and does lots of swimsuit work. She uses the Mystic Tan Booths and gets a great tan! If you haven't tried it, try that first...or atleast try it after tanning a few times to save some time in the bed. You may be surprised!
Dido on that!!!!!!!!
Ok, I know you don't want lectures...but, even if you aren't burning you are still damaging your skin and being young you probably don't care now, but trust me you will! My mom is 60 and stays out of the sun. When she went to her class reunion in her 50's she looked 35 and the other women looked 75! I have olive skin and used to love love love the sun, but I stopped tanning in my early 20's. I can even tell just from my younger years that I have more freckles than I would've and the skin on my legs is not as smooth/elastic as it could've been.
NOW.......I know a very very pale girl who is also a model and does lots of swimsuit work. She uses the Mystic Tan Booths and gets a great tan! If you haven't tried it, try that first...or atleast try it after tanning a few times to save some time in the bed. You may be surprised!
DGO1223
08-07-2004, 12:28 PM
O.K......I will get a lot of flak when I say this, to all of you who think being tan is so nice and that you look so healthy, etc., etc. with a tan.......I say this:
Too bad I can't send you a photo of my left leg, what it looks like since I had a small Basal Cell Carcinoma removed on Wed. and how painful this was. Or....better yet, one of my good friends' leg, where she had a melanoma removed, and now has a large, permanent crater-like dent in, than cannot be improved anymore. But then again, she's lucky to be alive, and is not totally out of the woods yet.
I am a somewhat olive skin type, w/ dark hair and eyes, but that didn't protect me. My friend is fair, blue eyes, blond hair. Doesn't see to matter when skin cancer comes along.
Yep, I sunned, and used tanning beds along over the years. And if you think it can't happen to you, think again. Bad things like that always seem to hit other people, but sometimes you are that "other" person. Yep, I like the way I looked tan, but I'd rather look paler and alive , than dead and disfigured in a casket. :nono:
My Derm said she was somewhat suprised when my biopsy results came back as BCC. I'm just glad I was suspicious of it.
This subject does not even cover what your skin actually looks like after years of tanning. That is a cosmectic concern.
So...last word here, if you like to tan, go ahead, but remember, you are helping keep dermatologists and surgeons doing brisk business, (my Derm's comment).
So, now I'm a big fan of self tanners, and you should be, too. PLEASE, guys be careful, and think twice. Look your body over carefully often, to make sure there is nothing odd looking there.
Donna
Too bad I can't send you a photo of my left leg, what it looks like since I had a small Basal Cell Carcinoma removed on Wed. and how painful this was. Or....better yet, one of my good friends' leg, where she had a melanoma removed, and now has a large, permanent crater-like dent in, than cannot be improved anymore. But then again, she's lucky to be alive, and is not totally out of the woods yet.
I am a somewhat olive skin type, w/ dark hair and eyes, but that didn't protect me. My friend is fair, blue eyes, blond hair. Doesn't see to matter when skin cancer comes along.
Yep, I sunned, and used tanning beds along over the years. And if you think it can't happen to you, think again. Bad things like that always seem to hit other people, but sometimes you are that "other" person. Yep, I like the way I looked tan, but I'd rather look paler and alive , than dead and disfigured in a casket. :nono:
My Derm said she was somewhat suprised when my biopsy results came back as BCC. I'm just glad I was suspicious of it.
This subject does not even cover what your skin actually looks like after years of tanning. That is a cosmectic concern.
So...last word here, if you like to tan, go ahead, but remember, you are helping keep dermatologists and surgeons doing brisk business, (my Derm's comment).
So, now I'm a big fan of self tanners, and you should be, too. PLEASE, guys be careful, and think twice. Look your body over carefully often, to make sure there is nothing odd looking there.
Donna
Blue-eyedBelle
08-07-2004, 04:19 PM
Another self-tanner here who looks 10 years younger than her actual age. :cool:
A week ago I had a suspicious spot removed from under my chin. It will be another week before I get the results. I now have a dime-sized hole & will surely have a not-so-lovely scar.
A week ago I had a suspicious spot removed from under my chin. It will be another week before I get the results. I now have a dime-sized hole & will surely have a not-so-lovely scar.
seawater
08-07-2004, 05:54 PM
So does anyone have a clue on how to delete on this message board?
Danielle895
08-08-2004, 07:32 AM
mixing up the tanning bed and the beach gives me the best results...well durrrr! :)
siren3
08-08-2004, 12:58 PM
Ahh thanks for all the tips! I don't purposely tan at all right now, haven't since I was a teenager... and even though I am VERY fair with blue eyes, I do tan very good when I do purposely tan (maybe it's the Cherokee in me, not sure). Well I know it's a possible danger, but I just don't really care to be honest (sorry if that sounds insensitive, I'm truly sorry to hear about other's misfortune due to this danger). I don't really want to tan my face purposely too much for cosmetic reasons. Though, my mother has tanned all her life practically, off and on and she still looks very young in her late 40's, young men hit on her all the time. Also, my dad has been in the sun all his life and at 51 he looks 40 or younger, they are both part Cherokee so maybe that has something to do with it, I'm not sure.....
I don't want to use fake tanners because they fade so easily and become so expensive, plus I've hardly ever seen results that I liked. Also, I hate the smell, have even smelled it on people days after they've applied it. I hate the whole process...
I don't know, I love pale white skin on many women, it's beautiful, but it's just that I have flaws on my legs I'd like to cover with a tan also. And I'm just tired of being pale, even if it does make me unique. I love the Cherokee side of me, I want to be darker, but I really don't know if I can deal with the fake tans.
I've also read research that says people who are in the sun for long periods of time, on a daily basis, are more protected from skin cancer than those who get bursts of sun only every now and then. This makes sense, those who grow up in environments with lots of sunshine and who usually have darker skin, (island people mostly, or natives of South America, etc.) don't usually get skin cancer. But then again, I haven't been in the sun too much, I have no idea if I could build up a "tolerance" similar to that kind of a person. Have also read about the protection of nutrition against this kind of cancer, supposedly an extremely heatlhy diet, one with a great amount of antioxidants in the form of fruits and vegetables mostly seems to be a great protection against skin cancer. Many would say that's a bunch of bologny, but perhaps there's proof out there in the natives/indegenous people who eat very healthy compared to Americans, and they stay in the sun all day, yet they do not get skin cancer. More research is surely needed however...
I'm just tired of being scared of the sun and so many other things that we are all taught to be scared of. I know that our ozone layer is not the way it used to be due to man's screw ups or whatever you want to call it. Man seems to screw everything up, now we supposedly have to spend money on sunscreen the rest of our lives to protect ourselves or stay indoors. This is just ridiculous, guess I'd rather live life and not worry about all this, I'd like to soak up the sun and not worry about vanity. Sunshine was made by God, and if I die due to man's screw ups then I die, God's will be done.... but I have much more faith than this....
Thanks again for all the replies. Keep replying with any helpful info, if you'd like. =)
I don't want to use fake tanners because they fade so easily and become so expensive, plus I've hardly ever seen results that I liked. Also, I hate the smell, have even smelled it on people days after they've applied it. I hate the whole process...
I don't know, I love pale white skin on many women, it's beautiful, but it's just that I have flaws on my legs I'd like to cover with a tan also. And I'm just tired of being pale, even if it does make me unique. I love the Cherokee side of me, I want to be darker, but I really don't know if I can deal with the fake tans.
I've also read research that says people who are in the sun for long periods of time, on a daily basis, are more protected from skin cancer than those who get bursts of sun only every now and then. This makes sense, those who grow up in environments with lots of sunshine and who usually have darker skin, (island people mostly, or natives of South America, etc.) don't usually get skin cancer. But then again, I haven't been in the sun too much, I have no idea if I could build up a "tolerance" similar to that kind of a person. Have also read about the protection of nutrition against this kind of cancer, supposedly an extremely heatlhy diet, one with a great amount of antioxidants in the form of fruits and vegetables mostly seems to be a great protection against skin cancer. Many would say that's a bunch of bologny, but perhaps there's proof out there in the natives/indegenous people who eat very healthy compared to Americans, and they stay in the sun all day, yet they do not get skin cancer. More research is surely needed however...
I'm just tired of being scared of the sun and so many other things that we are all taught to be scared of. I know that our ozone layer is not the way it used to be due to man's screw ups or whatever you want to call it. Man seems to screw everything up, now we supposedly have to spend money on sunscreen the rest of our lives to protect ourselves or stay indoors. This is just ridiculous, guess I'd rather live life and not worry about all this, I'd like to soak up the sun and not worry about vanity. Sunshine was made by God, and if I die due to man's screw ups then I die, God's will be done.... but I have much more faith than this....
Thanks again for all the replies. Keep replying with any helpful info, if you'd like. =)
DGO1223
08-08-2004, 03:01 PM
As far as being part Cherokee, so am I, both parents also, and all of us, brothers, are dark haired and eyes. It still happens. My father and his family came from Cherokee, NC. My dad lost half of one ear due to skin cancer about 15 years before he died.
I guess it just depends on how much of a chance you care to take with your health. I think the younger you are, the more you think you are invincible, and as you grow older, reality sets in. I know it did for me.
Cosmetically, I know some people who have tanned quite a few years and still look pretty good as well, then again, LOTS of them don't. I don't pretend to know the factors present which makes it one way or another. Maybe luck of the draw or just good genetics.
As far as self tanners, I have found several with no smell, and one in particular smells pretty good. These are no more expensive than a bottle of good quality body lotion. You just have to experiment, just like you would with makeup, or any other cosmetic.
Yes, sunshine was made by God, so is lightning, hurricanes, tornados, so are many, many deadly plants that you would not want to eat, posionous reptiles, etc., etc., and on and on. That does not mean anyone should take foolish chances with any of them. Common sense just needs to be used with anything, good or bad.
It all boils down to a difference of opinion, and we are all different. I think a couple of us here who posted, just wanted to show another side of the subject, and weren't trying to coerce anyone to follow our example, but just make everyone aware of it.
Donna
I guess it just depends on how much of a chance you care to take with your health. I think the younger you are, the more you think you are invincible, and as you grow older, reality sets in. I know it did for me.
Cosmetically, I know some people who have tanned quite a few years and still look pretty good as well, then again, LOTS of them don't. I don't pretend to know the factors present which makes it one way or another. Maybe luck of the draw or just good genetics.
As far as self tanners, I have found several with no smell, and one in particular smells pretty good. These are no more expensive than a bottle of good quality body lotion. You just have to experiment, just like you would with makeup, or any other cosmetic.
Yes, sunshine was made by God, so is lightning, hurricanes, tornados, so are many, many deadly plants that you would not want to eat, posionous reptiles, etc., etc., and on and on. That does not mean anyone should take foolish chances with any of them. Common sense just needs to be used with anything, good or bad.
It all boils down to a difference of opinion, and we are all different. I think a couple of us here who posted, just wanted to show another side of the subject, and weren't trying to coerce anyone to follow our example, but just make everyone aware of it.
Donna
jenny02
08-08-2004, 06:22 PM
I tan about once ot twice a week to keep my tan. I am normally pretty white so it makes me feel i look better and healthier also. I do use tanning lotion but I dont start out with the lotion until after i have gotten some color. I use the tannning lotion to darken my tan. The lotions in the stores dont seem to work but the ones i bought straight from the tanning place work great. I am relaly dark now and with the lotion i dont have to go as often because it makes me tan darker the few times I do go.
AS i read somoene else say ..you should start off slow so not to burn. But once you get started you can go in for longer. The lotions i have used are Pyro californa tan, and helix califona tan . The first one i said pyro it feels kinda hot on your skin when you use it after you have tanned,you might not like that. when my son hugs me and his face touches where i had the lotion put on his face shows red and irriated looking :eek:
AS i read somoene else say ..you should start off slow so not to burn. But once you get started you can go in for longer. The lotions i have used are Pyro californa tan, and helix califona tan . The first one i said pyro it feels kinda hot on your skin when you use it after you have tanned,you might not like that. when my son hugs me and his face touches where i had the lotion put on his face shows red and irriated looking :eek:
Keb5890
08-08-2004, 07:10 PM
I always tan, probably more than I should. If it is really that bad for you, why do so many people go? You are going to age one way or another.
jojo64
08-10-2004, 03:02 PM
For the same reason that many people still smoke - cause they either don't believe the studies or just don't care. Of course you are still going to age, but you are going to age much more quickly if you're skin is damaged from the sun or tanning beds. Then again, maybe you won't age because skin cancer might get you before you have a chance.
DGO1223
08-10-2004, 03:11 PM
For the same reason that many people still smoke - cause they either don't believe the studies or just don't care. Of course you are still going to age, but you are going to age much more quickly if you're skin is damaged from the sun or tanning beds. Then again, maybe you won't age because skin cancer might get you before you have a chance.
WELL SAID! :bouncing:
WELL SAID! :bouncing:
DGO1223
08-10-2004, 03:14 PM
Another self-tanner here who looks 10 years younger than her actual age. :cool:
A week ago I had a suspicious spot removed from under my chin. It will be another week before I get the results. I now have a dime-sized hole & will surely have a not-so-lovely scar.
Let us know when you get your results back.
Good luck,
Donna
A week ago I had a suspicious spot removed from under my chin. It will be another week before I get the results. I now have a dime-sized hole & will surely have a not-so-lovely scar.
Let us know when you get your results back.
Good luck,
Donna
Kyarahh
08-14-2004, 06:04 AM
I've tanned off and on for a little over ten years! I give my skin a break for a couple months out of the year as well. In the past, I'd tan about five to six days a week during my 'on' months, and this year, I seem to have lost the interest as much.
Currently, I tan about once or twice a week, and it seems to be maintaining my tan pretty well. Plus, my skin feels a lot better than when I was tanning so often. I enjoy it! It's a great way to wind down and relax a little too!
Currently, I tan about once or twice a week, and it seems to be maintaining my tan pretty well. Plus, my skin feels a lot better than when I was tanning so often. I enjoy it! It's a great way to wind down and relax a little too!
siren3
08-17-2004, 10:15 PM
As far as being part Cherokee, so am I, both parents also, and all of us, brothers, are dark haired and eyes. It still happens. My father and his family came from Cherokee, NC. My dad lost half of one ear due to skin cancer about 15 years before he died.
I guess it just depends on how much of a chance you care to take with your health. I think the younger you are, the more you think you are invincible, and as you grow older, reality sets in. I know it did for me.
Cosmetically, I know some people who have tanned quite a few years and still look pretty good as well, then again, LOTS of them don't. I don't pretend to know the factors present which makes it one way or another. Maybe luck of the draw or just good genetics.
As far as self tanners, I have found several with no smell, and one in particular smells pretty good. These are no more expensive than a bottle of good quality body lotion. You just have to experiment, just like you would with makeup, or any other cosmetic.
Yes, sunshine was made by God, so is lightning, hurricanes, tornados, so are many, many deadly plants that you would not want to eat, posionous reptiles, etc., etc., and on and on. That does not mean anyone should take foolish chances with any of them. Common sense just needs to be used with anything, good or bad.
It all boils down to a difference of opinion, and we are all different. I think a couple of us here who posted, just wanted to show another side of the subject, and weren't trying to coerce anyone to follow our example, but just make everyone aware of it.
Donna
Thanks for trying to help. I do understand everything you and everyone else says about this subject. I just wanted to say that the sun is not the same as lightning, hurricanes, tornadoes and poisonous plants. The sun did not harm people for thousands of years, people worked in the sun all day long everyday with no harm (and in some countries they still do). But it was man's destruction of the evironment that gradually has caused the ozone layer to disenigrate, therefore making the sun more dangerous to some people.
I do care about my health, but when it comes to some things, I go on faith. I'd rather go by faith and enjoy the sun. I take care of my body. I just have faith that when I go outside to enjoy the day the sun is not going to harm me. I don't want to put chemicals on my body. The sun is not the same as smoking cigarettes or doing certain other harmful things. It's just something I'll take the chance with and not worry about. I'm not going to waste my time applying sunscreens to my body daily. My mother and father never did, they're just fine. I know that may sound ignorant, but I truly believe that there's more to it than "sunscreen is your only protection for the rest of your life or just stay out of the sun", ha, there's just too many countries full of tanned people that eat very healthily that are very protected from skin cancer, their immune systems are too strong for it.
America is one of the most unhealthiest countries in the world, this country eats horribly and this contributes to us being more easily prone to cancer, this includes skin cancer, any cancer whatsoever, most people's immune systems here are horribly weak. Man has made mistakes that many people have to unfairly pay for, yeah it's very unfair that people "have" to wear sunscreen these days, anyway about it, I choose not to. I have faith that the sun will not harm me, I have faith in a lot of things, but I take care of myself as well, so it's not just blind faith.
People need to know that there's another side to this sun scare, that it's not just all about sunscreen. People need to look at and study other countries, countries with people who never use sunscreen and who never have skin cancer, countries that receive more sun than our area of the world, and I wonder why they never have skin cancer? It's not because all of their skin is darker, most of the time it's because their immune systems are much stronger. And why are they stronger? Because they live much healthier lifestyles than most people here. That is something that needs to be looked at too, besides all these studies that only focus on slathering the body with chemicals... oh but then again, if there was a way around sunscreen, that would be another high dollar industry put out of business.
I didn't mean to make this so long, but this is my viewpoint, and I think people should be allowd to see it from this side as well. Thanks.
I guess it just depends on how much of a chance you care to take with your health. I think the younger you are, the more you think you are invincible, and as you grow older, reality sets in. I know it did for me.
Cosmetically, I know some people who have tanned quite a few years and still look pretty good as well, then again, LOTS of them don't. I don't pretend to know the factors present which makes it one way or another. Maybe luck of the draw or just good genetics.
As far as self tanners, I have found several with no smell, and one in particular smells pretty good. These are no more expensive than a bottle of good quality body lotion. You just have to experiment, just like you would with makeup, or any other cosmetic.
Yes, sunshine was made by God, so is lightning, hurricanes, tornados, so are many, many deadly plants that you would not want to eat, posionous reptiles, etc., etc., and on and on. That does not mean anyone should take foolish chances with any of them. Common sense just needs to be used with anything, good or bad.
It all boils down to a difference of opinion, and we are all different. I think a couple of us here who posted, just wanted to show another side of the subject, and weren't trying to coerce anyone to follow our example, but just make everyone aware of it.
Donna
Thanks for trying to help. I do understand everything you and everyone else says about this subject. I just wanted to say that the sun is not the same as lightning, hurricanes, tornadoes and poisonous plants. The sun did not harm people for thousands of years, people worked in the sun all day long everyday with no harm (and in some countries they still do). But it was man's destruction of the evironment that gradually has caused the ozone layer to disenigrate, therefore making the sun more dangerous to some people.
I do care about my health, but when it comes to some things, I go on faith. I'd rather go by faith and enjoy the sun. I take care of my body. I just have faith that when I go outside to enjoy the day the sun is not going to harm me. I don't want to put chemicals on my body. The sun is not the same as smoking cigarettes or doing certain other harmful things. It's just something I'll take the chance with and not worry about. I'm not going to waste my time applying sunscreens to my body daily. My mother and father never did, they're just fine. I know that may sound ignorant, but I truly believe that there's more to it than "sunscreen is your only protection for the rest of your life or just stay out of the sun", ha, there's just too many countries full of tanned people that eat very healthily that are very protected from skin cancer, their immune systems are too strong for it.
America is one of the most unhealthiest countries in the world, this country eats horribly and this contributes to us being more easily prone to cancer, this includes skin cancer, any cancer whatsoever, most people's immune systems here are horribly weak. Man has made mistakes that many people have to unfairly pay for, yeah it's very unfair that people "have" to wear sunscreen these days, anyway about it, I choose not to. I have faith that the sun will not harm me, I have faith in a lot of things, but I take care of myself as well, so it's not just blind faith.
People need to know that there's another side to this sun scare, that it's not just all about sunscreen. People need to look at and study other countries, countries with people who never use sunscreen and who never have skin cancer, countries that receive more sun than our area of the world, and I wonder why they never have skin cancer? It's not because all of their skin is darker, most of the time it's because their immune systems are much stronger. And why are they stronger? Because they live much healthier lifestyles than most people here. That is something that needs to be looked at too, besides all these studies that only focus on slathering the body with chemicals... oh but then again, if there was a way around sunscreen, that would be another high dollar industry put out of business.
I didn't mean to make this so long, but this is my viewpoint, and I think people should be allowd to see it from this side as well. Thanks.
DGO1223
08-18-2004, 12:28 AM
Siren3,
Regardless of WHAT makes too much sun bad, the ozone layer, what man has done to his environment, etc. etc. etc.. does NOT lessen the fact that too much of it is STILL bad. You can "go on faith" all you like about doing what you want to your body, in order to justify that you like to be tan.
You just don't think you will have anything bad happen to your skin just because but your parents haven't? (SO FAR.) Your parents may look great now; check back with us in a few years, things just may have changed for the worse.
Then explain, why do so many people who've never had "bad" health problems in their family, have "bad"problems themselves? No one is immune to that, nor ever will be; just go check out the graveyards.
Sure, America eats horribly as a nation. Do you think that because you eat healthy and take care of yourself, you are invincible to the ravages of thousands of health problems?? You need to wake up here. It may lessen your chances, but you're certainly not immune to anything, even a little skin cancer. There are millions of health food nuts, excersize fanatics, holistic followers who will die of modern day diseases just like anyone else.
Just because people have done things thousands of years without harm, (seemingly) does not mean it will go on that way.
Yeah, it's a SHAME we have to slather ourselves with sunscreen or stay out of the sun in order not to get sun cancer, that does not change the fact. Doesn't matter the whys and wherefores. It doesn't matter at this point why, it just matters we take care of it, and do the best we can to protect ourselves.
Sure the sunscreen industry is making big bucks on their products, but what about the billion dollar cosmetics industries?? Are you telling me you don't use ANY kind of cosmetics to support them? It's been shown brushing and flossing your teeth keep teeth healthy, would you blame the tooth care industry for spreading propaganda, just to make money?
You say: "Man has made mistakes that many people have to unfairly pay for, yeah it's very unfair that people "have" to wear sunscreen these days, anyway about it, I choose not to." There...you just admitted that people need to use sunscreen, you just choose not to!
You say: "I don't want to put chemicals on my body." Hmmm, again, does that mean you don't use ANY kind of cosmetics on your body? What about soap? Are you never able to bathe, then? Do you never shampoo your hair?? Do you never brush your teeth? Wear deodorant? Use perfume? How do you wash your clothes? Face it; you are immersed in chemicals everyday of your life. I don't think a little sunscreen is going to kill anyone if they choose to wear it.
You mention "strong immune systems" a time or two here.....ironically, I can point you to several studies showing that excess sun actually damages the human immune system, and, no, they weren't funded by the "sunscreen" industry.
Scientists believe sunburns can alter the distribution and function of disease-fighting white blood cells in humans for up to 24 hours after exposure to the sun. Repeated overexposure to UV radiation can cause more damage to the body's immune system. Mild sunburns can directly suppress the immune functions of human skin where the sunburn occurred, even in people with dark skin. Just type in into any search engine, and see what you come up with, it might just suprise you.
In your very first post you said "I already know how bad sunning and suntan beds are"... yet then you go on and on about why you don't think its bad for yourself. Sounds like you are contradicting yourself there.
Everyday, it's apparent you know that you put chemicals on your body. You're justifying not using sunscreen because you plain don't want to wear it; that's fine, noooo problem.
Bottom line.....some sunshine is vital to health and well being. Choosing to sit or lie in it in order to bake and tan your body is not. It took me about 45 years to figure that out. That's called "vanity" :rolleyes:
Donna
Regardless of WHAT makes too much sun bad, the ozone layer, what man has done to his environment, etc. etc. etc.. does NOT lessen the fact that too much of it is STILL bad. You can "go on faith" all you like about doing what you want to your body, in order to justify that you like to be tan.
You just don't think you will have anything bad happen to your skin just because but your parents haven't? (SO FAR.) Your parents may look great now; check back with us in a few years, things just may have changed for the worse.
Then explain, why do so many people who've never had "bad" health problems in their family, have "bad"problems themselves? No one is immune to that, nor ever will be; just go check out the graveyards.
Sure, America eats horribly as a nation. Do you think that because you eat healthy and take care of yourself, you are invincible to the ravages of thousands of health problems?? You need to wake up here. It may lessen your chances, but you're certainly not immune to anything, even a little skin cancer. There are millions of health food nuts, excersize fanatics, holistic followers who will die of modern day diseases just like anyone else.
Just because people have done things thousands of years without harm, (seemingly) does not mean it will go on that way.
Yeah, it's a SHAME we have to slather ourselves with sunscreen or stay out of the sun in order not to get sun cancer, that does not change the fact. Doesn't matter the whys and wherefores. It doesn't matter at this point why, it just matters we take care of it, and do the best we can to protect ourselves.
Sure the sunscreen industry is making big bucks on their products, but what about the billion dollar cosmetics industries?? Are you telling me you don't use ANY kind of cosmetics to support them? It's been shown brushing and flossing your teeth keep teeth healthy, would you blame the tooth care industry for spreading propaganda, just to make money?
You say: "Man has made mistakes that many people have to unfairly pay for, yeah it's very unfair that people "have" to wear sunscreen these days, anyway about it, I choose not to." There...you just admitted that people need to use sunscreen, you just choose not to!
You say: "I don't want to put chemicals on my body." Hmmm, again, does that mean you don't use ANY kind of cosmetics on your body? What about soap? Are you never able to bathe, then? Do you never shampoo your hair?? Do you never brush your teeth? Wear deodorant? Use perfume? How do you wash your clothes? Face it; you are immersed in chemicals everyday of your life. I don't think a little sunscreen is going to kill anyone if they choose to wear it.
You mention "strong immune systems" a time or two here.....ironically, I can point you to several studies showing that excess sun actually damages the human immune system, and, no, they weren't funded by the "sunscreen" industry.
Scientists believe sunburns can alter the distribution and function of disease-fighting white blood cells in humans for up to 24 hours after exposure to the sun. Repeated overexposure to UV radiation can cause more damage to the body's immune system. Mild sunburns can directly suppress the immune functions of human skin where the sunburn occurred, even in people with dark skin. Just type in into any search engine, and see what you come up with, it might just suprise you.
In your very first post you said "I already know how bad sunning and suntan beds are"... yet then you go on and on about why you don't think its bad for yourself. Sounds like you are contradicting yourself there.
Everyday, it's apparent you know that you put chemicals on your body. You're justifying not using sunscreen because you plain don't want to wear it; that's fine, noooo problem.
Bottom line.....some sunshine is vital to health and well being. Choosing to sit or lie in it in order to bake and tan your body is not. It took me about 45 years to figure that out. That's called "vanity" :rolleyes:
Donna
siren3
08-19-2004, 08:24 PM
DGO1223,
I should have said from the start that it's bad for most people in AMERICA and other like countries with such bad health. So many countries do just fine without sunscreen, they don't get skin cancer. It IS their health for the most part. And, yes, I do get some chemicals on my body. But I don't want to put EXTRA chemicals on my body, though I would if I had to and thought it was necessary. I never said I was "invincible to the ravages of thousands of health problems". I do know the dangers of the sun to some. And yes it does have a lot to do with the immune system. And I don't think those with extremely healthy immune systems are in danger of getting skin cancer. There are too many people in this world who live in the sun daily who prove that. Ironically, there are even countries with those who live in the sun every day of their lives who do have weakened immune systems and they don't get skin cancer like other countries, then again it does have a lot to do with their skin color for some countries.
Perhaps nobody here in America can ever attain that kind of "special protection", since so many indegenous people grew up in the sun from the time they were born (and NO the sun is not weakening their immune systems), but it still doesn't cross out the possibility that there IS something more to the answer of "sunscreen is your only protection". Sometimes it IS okay to have faith, it goes beyond the ordinary. I probably won't purposely lay in a tanning bed for a tan, but I won't give up my life to avoid the sun or slather myself with chemicals. It doesn't matter how many studies there are showing that "sunscreen is your only protection and the sun is the devil", sometimes theres so much more to it than you know. Life is sometimes much more than research and studies. There are just too many people in other countries that you can't ignore, with no history of skin cancer whatsoever, who soak the sun in daily, every day of their lives with no protection but their clothes (if they even wear those).
I will live my life and I will take care of myself and I WILL have faith that the sun is not going to kill me, if it's God's will, I won't get skin cancer. It's not blindness, I'm not asleep. It's not because I look at my parents and think they are okay. And there are actually people who would LOVE for me to come back and say "oh my parents have skin cancer now", you may not want that to happen, but my gosh, I know so many people would get a chuckle out of that for the sake of their argument, and that's not what this is all about, that's not what life is all about. Studies and research aren't the final say over everything. Studies and research say that flouride is good for our teeth and bones and therefore should be put in our water, yet flouride kills people and poisons them. Studies and research are good to an extent and they do save lives in many instances, but looking at the world and trying to learn from other people in other countries is sometimes far better. There is just so much more to it than some people care to understand. So you can choose to wear sunscreen because it's the only "proof" you have of something actually working. And I will choose not to wear sunscreen, regardless of having proof. And, no, my faith is not blind, my faith is just faith, it isn't funny or countless or ignorant, it's something that you just choose to ignore as I choose to ingore your warnings.
Now, like I said, I didn't want to hear from people preaching about the dangers of the sun. Perhaps you can start your own thread allllllll about it. I really don't want to tan in a tanning bed, I prefer the sun. Of course I know there is a danger there, I simply said what I said, there's more to it than "sunscreen or your life".... And, hey, I might even get a fake tan someday, bring on the chemicals I suppose. Let that be another contradiction for ya. But, either way, I'm just fine and I know I'll continue to be. Everyone else can worry their life away about it, I won't. And God forbid anyone who wishes me to get a "wake up call", I hope you or no one wishes that upon me or anyone else. Please start your own thread to warn people if you feel so passionate about it, it wouldn't be a problem for anyone here, but I just don't care for this subject, I'd rather be outside soaking up the sun (without sunscreen). :D
I should have said from the start that it's bad for most people in AMERICA and other like countries with such bad health. So many countries do just fine without sunscreen, they don't get skin cancer. It IS their health for the most part. And, yes, I do get some chemicals on my body. But I don't want to put EXTRA chemicals on my body, though I would if I had to and thought it was necessary. I never said I was "invincible to the ravages of thousands of health problems". I do know the dangers of the sun to some. And yes it does have a lot to do with the immune system. And I don't think those with extremely healthy immune systems are in danger of getting skin cancer. There are too many people in this world who live in the sun daily who prove that. Ironically, there are even countries with those who live in the sun every day of their lives who do have weakened immune systems and they don't get skin cancer like other countries, then again it does have a lot to do with their skin color for some countries.
Perhaps nobody here in America can ever attain that kind of "special protection", since so many indegenous people grew up in the sun from the time they were born (and NO the sun is not weakening their immune systems), but it still doesn't cross out the possibility that there IS something more to the answer of "sunscreen is your only protection". Sometimes it IS okay to have faith, it goes beyond the ordinary. I probably won't purposely lay in a tanning bed for a tan, but I won't give up my life to avoid the sun or slather myself with chemicals. It doesn't matter how many studies there are showing that "sunscreen is your only protection and the sun is the devil", sometimes theres so much more to it than you know. Life is sometimes much more than research and studies. There are just too many people in other countries that you can't ignore, with no history of skin cancer whatsoever, who soak the sun in daily, every day of their lives with no protection but their clothes (if they even wear those).
I will live my life and I will take care of myself and I WILL have faith that the sun is not going to kill me, if it's God's will, I won't get skin cancer. It's not blindness, I'm not asleep. It's not because I look at my parents and think they are okay. And there are actually people who would LOVE for me to come back and say "oh my parents have skin cancer now", you may not want that to happen, but my gosh, I know so many people would get a chuckle out of that for the sake of their argument, and that's not what this is all about, that's not what life is all about. Studies and research aren't the final say over everything. Studies and research say that flouride is good for our teeth and bones and therefore should be put in our water, yet flouride kills people and poisons them. Studies and research are good to an extent and they do save lives in many instances, but looking at the world and trying to learn from other people in other countries is sometimes far better. There is just so much more to it than some people care to understand. So you can choose to wear sunscreen because it's the only "proof" you have of something actually working. And I will choose not to wear sunscreen, regardless of having proof. And, no, my faith is not blind, my faith is just faith, it isn't funny or countless or ignorant, it's something that you just choose to ignore as I choose to ingore your warnings.
Now, like I said, I didn't want to hear from people preaching about the dangers of the sun. Perhaps you can start your own thread allllllll about it. I really don't want to tan in a tanning bed, I prefer the sun. Of course I know there is a danger there, I simply said what I said, there's more to it than "sunscreen or your life".... And, hey, I might even get a fake tan someday, bring on the chemicals I suppose. Let that be another contradiction for ya. But, either way, I'm just fine and I know I'll continue to be. Everyone else can worry their life away about it, I won't. And God forbid anyone who wishes me to get a "wake up call", I hope you or no one wishes that upon me or anyone else. Please start your own thread to warn people if you feel so passionate about it, it wouldn't be a problem for anyone here, but I just don't care for this subject, I'd rather be outside soaking up the sun (without sunscreen). :D
SweetPuff
08-20-2004, 10:37 PM
Certainly not everyone gets skin cancer from too much sun, but when you are 50 you may look 70 instead of 35. The sun does damage your skin...look at all those dark sun worshipers that have skin like leather. You may beat the cancer, but are you not worried about loosing elasticity in your skin?
rachel18
08-20-2004, 11:10 PM
Obviously when tanning risks are involved, just like if you choose smoking or eating an unhealthy diet or going out in the sun for long periods of time without wearing sunscreen. If you choose to do these things then you most likely are aware of the risk factors involved. So i say just whoever wishes to tan in a tanning bed more than twice a week then do so, because they more than likely realise the risks of tanning.
gfd
08-21-2004, 04:18 PM
I just go out in the sun to get a tan like go for a walk or bike ride I dont really want to pay the money even those does not cost that much When I was senior in high school I went to tanning bed like 5 times but I rather just go out in the sun to get tan. I been 5 times in my life but if you want result you cant just go once thinking your going to look all tan.