TCrockett
09-04-2004, 07:29 PM
I'm wondering if anyone else out there has a child with this diagnoses. I was told last year after my son underwent testing for ADD that along with the ADD he also has ODD (offensive defiance disorder) and Non verbal learning disorder. After a little research into this, I have learned that Non verbal learning disorder is very similar to Aspergers syndrome, in fact I read in many places that some experts don't know where Non verbal learning disorder ends and Asperger's begins. I don't know if I'm being misinformed on this or not, but if it is the case I'm not sure it makes sense with my son. Although Jordon has always differed from my other three children, for example: he was never " a child at christmas time" . He would talk for weeks before christmas about what he wanted, but unlike my other kids would show any real excitement when he got it. It was embarrassing at times because although I knew he was excited, I felt like others thought he was less than gracious there were other cases where he didn't really portray how he felt, but I always kinda thought he was "mr. cool". He also never had the speech differences that some AS kids have, he was never "overly" skilled in vocabulary... always just on schedule. And I have never noticed any problems reading body language or facial expressions from him.... he knows when I'm mad LOL I do however understand the ADD and ODD diagnosis, especially the ODD.
Does anyone know any more about this?
Tanya
Does anyone know any more about this?
Tanya
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2cutekids
09-05-2004, 11:10 AM
There is a book called "Bridging the Gap"... it is about rasing a child with NLVD... I started to read it. It was good, but didn't really relate to my son who has High functioning Autism/Asperger's Syndrome.
I would recomend you get it and read it. It is about a little boy and his parents struggle to help him.
I would recomend you get it and read it. It is about a little boy and his parents struggle to help him.
TCrockett
09-05-2004, 12:55 PM
Thank you, I will definately look that book up. So you found alot of differences between NVLD and Asperger syndrome?
Tanya
Tanya
Midget
09-05-2004, 08:55 PM
Hey guys...interesting thread. I myself have NVLD, and have wondered many times what the differences between it and Aspergers are...so I did some research, and a few of the website I came across, said that NVLD and Aspergers were the same disorders--with different names and diagnosed differently. From what I've read, Aspergers is diagnosed more from the Physcological stanpdoint, and an evaluation revolvinga around Physcological/behavioral stuff. Whereas, with NVLD, it's more from like an educational standpoint. When I get home, later tonight, I'll post some of the links I've found...I'd be interested to hear other people's input on this as well. Feel free to correct me if any of this is wrong and/or misguided!
2cutekids
09-06-2004, 12:04 PM
It is possable that NVLD is the same or close to Asperger's. My son is HFA,, he SHOULD BE Asperger's and probably will be down the road, but we have to work on the comunication part of it. Maybe that is where the breakdown is. my son is VERY verbal, he doesn't stop talking, but he CAN NOT hold a conversation. He can NOT build on a subject. He still relies a lot of repeatitive speech and thing of that nature. SOOOOOOO... with my son, only time will tell. I think the threpey will help greatly!!!, now if I can just get them started....
Redhead23
09-13-2004, 05:22 AM
NVLD is a very specific learning profile with a high verbal and low performance IQ. People with NVLD have problems with co-ordination, orientation, visual memory, balance and gross and fine motor skills.
Social learning difficulties and some specific language and academic learning difficulties are also present, but none of the "classic" autistic features seen (often in a milder form) in AS are present, such as the intense preoccupation with interests, ritualism, repetitive movements, lack of social interest, severe inability to multitask and interact with groups etc.
Just like with Dyslexia, Dyspraxia and other learning difficulties, sensory issues can occur in people with NVLD even though they do not show any characteristic signs of autism.
While most people with Asperger's share the NVLD learning profile, most people with the NVLD learning profile do not share any of the additional features of AS and HFA (such as rigid thinking, obsessional interests, stims, aloofness, processing problems etc.) and usually have far more severe difficulties in the area of academic learning, orientation, visual memory, balance and co-ordination than they have difficulties in social interaction. (In AS, unless severe LDs are also present, this is the other way around and many with AS actually have a great sense of orientation or good visual memories)
Social learning difficulties and some specific language and academic learning difficulties are also present, but none of the "classic" autistic features seen (often in a milder form) in AS are present, such as the intense preoccupation with interests, ritualism, repetitive movements, lack of social interest, severe inability to multitask and interact with groups etc.
Just like with Dyslexia, Dyspraxia and other learning difficulties, sensory issues can occur in people with NVLD even though they do not show any characteristic signs of autism.
While most people with Asperger's share the NVLD learning profile, most people with the NVLD learning profile do not share any of the additional features of AS and HFA (such as rigid thinking, obsessional interests, stims, aloofness, processing problems etc.) and usually have far more severe difficulties in the area of academic learning, orientation, visual memory, balance and co-ordination than they have difficulties in social interaction. (In AS, unless severe LDs are also present, this is the other way around and many with AS actually have a great sense of orientation or good visual memories)
Midget
09-14-2004, 09:29 PM
What's aloofness? And what are stims?
Redhead23
09-15-2004, 06:04 AM
Aloofness = social indifference (indifference towards people) This is more characteristic of autism than AS but a certain percentage of people with AS, although communicative and with average to superior language skills, also share this.
Stims = repetitive movements or vocal utterances, such as hand flapping, finger twisting, rocking to self, humming, making animal noises etc.
Stims = repetitive movements or vocal utterances, such as hand flapping, finger twisting, rocking to self, humming, making animal noises etc.
TCrockett
09-16-2004, 07:45 PM
I don't think my son was diagnosed properly. The woman who diagnosed him didn't mention any of the social issues, all she really spoke about was his problem with math. I work in an independant living based program for physically and mentally disabled adults I know what autism/aspergers is and work with many autistic people daily. I had never heard of this "non verbal learning disorder" and it wasn't until I got home and did my own research on it that I understood a little better what my son was being diagnosed with. My son has on occasion made poor social judgements, he is aloof to a certain degree, although he wants nothing more than to have many very close friends and participate in all activities he possibly can. My son walked at 7 months old.. he has always been VERY coordinated, he had some minor problems in kindergarten with his pencil grip, but I have four kids and that isn't anything unusual in kindergarten. His main problem is with his lack of respect to adults. I am so sick of hearing his teachers say "I know your other 3 children, and they don't have any problems like this so we know it isn't an issue at home" He's always being compared. For an eleven year old boy he has just been given a whole lot of labels... ADD, ODD and NVD. I just want things to be easier for him and for him to feel good about himself, I wish instead of labels the teachers would give me some suggestions on how to help him.
Thanks for all the responses, and sorry for the rant.
Tanya
Thanks for all the responses, and sorry for the rant.
Tanya
Redhead23
09-17-2004, 05:08 AM
Problems with maths, in particular Dyscalculia, are linked with both sequencing problems and problems with visual memory. There is a high incidence of Dyscalculia among people with NVLD (visual processing/memory problems) and a very high incidence with AS (often have both visual processing/memory AND sequencing problems).*
ONLY maths problems would point to Dyscalculia, not NVLD.
But seeing as though he also has Dx's of ADHD and ODD, both are things people with both NVLD and Aspergers often get diagnosed with before the AS or NVLD diagnosis is made. I guess it really depends on how severe his social problems are, and whether he shows signs of autism, to determine whether he may have NVLD or AS?
* According to Christopher Gillberg, the high incidence of Dyslexia in AS is not far above the relatively high incidence of Dyslexia in the general population, whereas Dyscalculia is far less common among the general population than it is among people with AS.
ONLY maths problems would point to Dyscalculia, not NVLD.
But seeing as though he also has Dx's of ADHD and ODD, both are things people with both NVLD and Aspergers often get diagnosed with before the AS or NVLD diagnosis is made. I guess it really depends on how severe his social problems are, and whether he shows signs of autism, to determine whether he may have NVLD or AS?
* According to Christopher Gillberg, the high incidence of Dyslexia in AS is not far above the relatively high incidence of Dyslexia in the general population, whereas Dyscalculia is far less common among the general population than it is among people with AS.