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*music23*
01-16-2005, 06:25 PM
Hey all,
Well let's see. I've been bipolar since I was 12. I am now 17 1/2, will be 18 in March. And I just don't know what to do anymore. I feel like I'm dying.
I used to be something of a genius; I was writing the alphabet at age 1, reading fluently at age two, and outscored my parents on the math SAT when I was 10 years old. I was unstoppable. And then I hit my first depression.
The last five and a half years have been so bad I'm wondering what to do. I developed OCD and panic disorder. I am also now on meds for ADD as well as the bipolar, OCD, and panic. That's 4 illnesses. Now they think I am also seasonal affective. Right now I am in a depression so deep I refuse to do any school work. I just sit in my bed doing nothing all day. I feel like nothing is going to add up to anything in the end, and I'm just wasting my time.
The main reason I'm posting is something my mom told me today which has me absolutely petrified. She said that she and my doctor today discussed the possibility of sending me to live in a residential psychiatric facility in another state for a year or two. I can't do that. I think I would die first. I am an avid percussionist and am in FIVE groups this year including a travelling drumline (yes, I still can force myself to get up and go to some practices as they are virtually the only distractions I have). If you want to be in a drum corps or other major group like that, you "age out" at 21, meaning you can't be in it anymore because youre too old. I don't have that kind of time. It would take me a few more years of extremely intense practice to get to that level, but I think it might be possible, that is, if I don't get sent away.
I am so afraid. I'm trapped and I can't get out. I am my own worst enemy. Is there anything any of you can say? Do any of you have any idea what goes on in those facilities? Would it be worth it? I'm so lost and scared.
Kristina (i'm not even going to put the little waving smiley face like i always do)

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kiehn
01-16-2005, 06:42 PM
Sounds like a residential home, something like a halfway house. Where you would live with others that arent fully capable of taking care of themselves, you still have freedom to come and go as long as you abide by the house rules. However you'd have to ask your mother more about it to be certain. Obviously it has pro's and con's.
The most important factor is talking to your parents about how you feel, what you would like to do with your future, how they can help you, and asking them how they
feel might help you make your decission. I hope you will post back as to how your situtation
transpires. Take Care, K

princesspea
01-16-2005, 09:12 PM
Kristina,

I'm very sorry you are going through such a major depression. I know nothing about Residential Treatment Centers. I did an online search and all I got was their sales pitch. I've never been in one Though I have been in a military hospital where people have been there for up to a year. That was a regualr hospital setting though.

You may need a med adjustment. It sounds like you're on an awful lot of meds for an awful lot of things but you're still depressed (an understatement I know).

I wish I could be of more help. Just please know I care. You are worth if you can't believe that right now just believe that I believe it for a while.

Love to you,

Jamie

Instanding
01-16-2005, 10:44 PM
Try not to let the Drum Corps thing cloud your decisions too much. There is always Senior Corps.

I left the Corps due to travel, distance and relocation issues. One can always watch Drum Line on DVD and whack at the practice pad !

*music23*
01-17-2005, 12:14 PM
Thanks for all of your responses.
I know there is senior corps, but when healthy I have such a competitive drive. I have a friend who just joined the Glassmen on snare. She's so good and she's an incredible role model (or should I say ROLL model). Senior corps wouldn't be as intense as what I would want to do. And watching those groups (I don't know the plural of "corps") is amazing, but it also reminds me that I can't do it.
I'm terrified of the possibility that my mom and my doctor would just send me away like that. Cognitively I know that they just want the best help for me, but it seems like they are saying "Here... YOU deal with her." I would miss familiarity so much. I would even miss my annoying sisters. I would miss my 2 parakeets, my friends, my school, my quints (5 marching tenor drums), everything. I don't even know if they could help me there... maybe the only purpose it would serve is that it would make me appreciative of what I have (because it would be taken away while I'm there).
Kristina

kiehn
01-17-2005, 02:25 PM
If that was the purpose it sounds like it's working. You may be bipolar but I dont think it's affected your intelligence as much as you think it has. I've read many of your postings here and there on the boards and to tell you the truth I thought you were much older as you seem to be wise above your years. Dont let the bipolar steal your
future. Take Care, K

*music23*
01-18-2005, 12:32 AM
Kiehn-
I needed that. That was probably one of the best things I could have heard... that I am wise beyond my years. Thank you. It pains me so much to know that I'm going to have to take an extra year in high school and be behind everyone... it's good to get a relatively neutral party's opinion that I seem to still be ahead of the game. My own mom tells me how immature I am.
Today was a little bit better in the morning and early afternoon, then kind of returned to being less than ideal. But I really try to appreciate anything I can get... anything neutral or above. But the question is, as my posting title summarizes, do the benefits outweigh the costs?... Well, the title referred to the residential place, but it applies to life as well.
Kristina :wave:

kiehn
01-18-2005, 03:07 AM
We each have to answer that Life question for ourself.
Here's a question for you, which would you choose?

1) to fight only to lose
2) to do nothing and never have lived

I may lose more battles than I win but Im not only a fighter, Im also
a survivor. Every time I fall I stand back up stronger than I was before
You what it takes, it's your choice?

Hedgehog No 1
01-18-2005, 04:24 AM
Hi KRISTINA,

May I briefly join in?

I have followed this thread but haven't felt like intruding until now. What 'K' says is right, I agree with her.

YOU need to make YOUR choices - as much as is possible.

That which does not kill us - only serves to make us stronger.

I would rather die standing - than live life on my knees.

That's MY early morning contribution.

Hedge - fighter, surviver, romantic - not always in that order.

*music23*
01-19-2005, 12:32 AM
Kiehn and Hedge, you guys are great. It's true. If I go down, it should be fighting.
And actually, to get even more philosophical, nobody ever really defines "lose". What's a loss? Every cloud has a silver lining (SOOOO true), so you never really lose 100%. So when you say that you may fight only to lose.... you still come out on top in some way or another, even if it is not in the expected or clearly defined way.
I am starting to feel better. I've had a relatively good 1 1/2 days. Could be the med changes or could be the fact I have all of you! Or both. ;)
Thanks guys,
Kristina :wave:

MTS
01-19-2005, 03:40 AM
Hi there music23!

Upon reading your posts, what striked me the most was your obvious intelligence.
Seriously, it's so noticeable that you actually are classified in the "Wow!" locker in my brain.

Don't feel alone in your current situation, though. There are a lot of people that suffer from the same condition as yours, and many have sucessfully delt with those particular problems in life which you are now facing. They have proven that life is worth living and more-so, capable of being lived.

A response to your initial question;
Personally, I don't think it's a good idea to check into that place, or any other mental institution or organisation no matter how benevolent their intentions may be brought across.
For one, there's a very high probability that you will be stigmatised by the experience, especially at such a young age and because of the subconcious knowledge that there's parental involvement. You would probably stop asking yourself 'Am I crazy?' in such a place, but only because your surroundings and situation seem to indicate 'yes' irrefuteably. You will feel even less normal, and seeing others around you with the same condition yet in much worse forms will probably scare you into thinking that's what you will become, eventhough it's not true.

Besides all that, which is uncertain to happen, you will lose your current life and it will be hard to get back to it. (but not impossible)

The best way to feel good is quite simply by feeling good. If you do not feel good in your current environment or about the prospect of going into a particular environment, then there's your awnser. Stay away or you'll just feel worse. If you feel good or better where you are right now, then don't change!

Parents have the intention of wanting what's best for you. They may want it so much, that they are easily deluded by someone claiming to have the perfect sollution. Once they get taken in by the dream, they don't let it go easily. So you might have to fight and stick to your guns in order to persuade you mother into letting you make your own decisions.
Because in most cases, it is *you* that actually knows what's best for your mental health, not someone else. Not even your mother.

An anecdote may help you.
When I was 15 I missed a lot of classes in school, and was always tired when I did manage to get there.
The school persuaded me to go see a psychiatrist, just once, for them to get a grip on my condition (The school had a very modern approach to students' wellbeing).
After a 10 minute talk, the psychiatrist suggested to me and my mother that I signed up for a program they had that helped kids like me. What was my problem? I spent all night writing computer programs and thus didn't have much time left for school.
I refused to sign up, and two months later the school got me into a software company. I was quite the genius myself ;)

A second problem came later in life when I developed G.A.D. Again, I was persuaded to enter a psych ward. My mother agreed it was probably best for me (she had being sweet-talked by the doctors, and so had I). However, my mother came along with me when I went to sign in, something they didn't expect. We spent 2 hours in the waitingroom waiting for someone to come and take us up to where my actual room would be. We got pissed and started looking for the staff. We eventually found the actual psych floor where I'd be staying and my mother adressed a nurse there who was talking to a doctor. The nurse turned her face towards us, stared, then turned back again and continued the conversation she was having, in a "what was that sound?" manner.

That's when my mother snapped and said "let's go! We're going home!".
We both realised what happened; They tought we were both mental patients and as such they completely ignored us.

Now, offcourse, suppose you do eventually get sent to that place, then my post will be very depressing. I know that. But it's reality. Just as sure as they *can* help you with your current problems in such a place, they also *will* create problems of their own that may be more troublesome and nest deeper.

In the end, you should ask yourself wether the "mental condition" with which you were born is an actual medical *problem* that must be delt with, or if it is just a personality trait everyone just seems to want to fix, which realy doesn't require any fixing at all. As long as you don't hurt yourself or others due to a personality trait, in my oppinion, people should just accept it as part of you and not perceive it as a devastating medical problem that needs urgent fixing. Some "doctors" still administer lobotomies in the U.S. for psychosis, and Electroshock therapy for major depression in this day and age, without the patient's consent, can you believe that?

Show your mother these lists of famous bipolars and perhaps she might be impressed ;
http://www.mentaljokes.com/famous_manic.html

http://bipolar.about.com/cs/celebs/a/bl_celebrities.htm

Bipolar disorder seems to be a gift as well as a curse. Many people with different yet similliarly persistant personaly traits/disorders even wish for a chance to trade in their conditions so they can be like the famous people they admire ;)

I think we're all interested in how this turns out. Please keep us posted, ok?

- MTS

*music23*
01-19-2005, 06:46 PM
Thanks for your lengthy response as well MTS. Everyone is giving me remarkable insight. Let me ask you something... what is it about my posts that makes me sound smart? A lot of people tell me that they think I'm really smart after talking to me for a relatively short amount of time, even when I think I've demonstrated my weaknesses to them. I can never figure out what it is. But thank you! ;)
As for the question of whether or not I really do have bipolar and not just a personality flaw... I can virtually guarantee you that it is bipolar. It's actually a relatively SEVERE case of bipolar! I do believe it is getting overdiagnosed, almost as if it's a fad. I don't mean to sound like one of those people who's like "My problems are worse than everyone else's", but mine is definitely something way more abnormal than just a bad character trait. Especially with self-injury and suicidality reaching almost obsessional magnitudes. The manias can be severe too... psychotically so. I start believing I have powers that I don't. And God, the hyperactivity and laughing, the energy... it could be little (if anything) else but bipolar.
Your stories sound kind of unbelievable! I'm glad you did not get put in that ward. They sounded like absolute jerks. And the computer programming story is amazing! Such intelligence at such a young age. Congratulations. I hope that has continued to go well for you.
And now, for the moment you've all been waiting for. The (probable and immediate) verdict. It seems for now that I am not going to be going to that awful place, thank God. As always, the mood has rebounded (I have very rapid-cycling) and I've been feeling sufficiently improved for most of the time such that we're going to keep me here for now. I need to start worrying about making up work and the finals that everyone else is taking this week. I've made some slow progress today, but the fact that I am not horribly discouraged by the relatively slow speed of the progress is a very positive thing. I'm going to be ok for now I think.
And I know you all have helped and are helping me through this... so thank you so much. I appreciate all the time you put into helping me! :)
Kristina :wave:





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