Has anyone tried this here? im currently on the waiting list for one in the UK. Does it really work - ive only heard / read good results about this (short term)

regards Jonathan

I've never tried it, but I have read about it. I believe its still only available in the UK, no? I'm from the US and I don't believe there are any practioners here doing this yet. From what I understand, it is a lot like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy where you are in a way learning to "retraining" the brain to interpret situations and everyday stressors normally again. There is a long standing theory that Fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is some kind of stress disorder/abnormality. The Reverse Therapy theory states that it lies within the amygdala of the brain and that through therapy sessions, you can actually cure this disorder. Its very interesting reading actually, but then again, it is still only a theory. Of course, if I had the chance to try it out, I just might. What do I have to lose? Please share with us what happens, I'm really curious about it.

Jonathan,

I am in the UK and would like to try this as-well. I've been diagnosed with CFS/M.E and am having a hard time accepting the diagnosis (my brain is stuck in a sort of loop ever since the first symptoms - dizziness).

I think this would help me too. Can you email me with details please.

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Thankyou....

Mike.

Hi all,

I am currently undergoing Mickel Reverse Therapy. Before I started the therapy I’d have CFS for about 5 years and spent thousands of pounds on all sorts of treatments (including a renowned Harley Street specialist) and made small gains but still had moderate symptoms including brain-fog & fatigue :confused: . I’d hardly done any real exercise, except daily 15 minute walks. Within a short time of starting the therapy I’d started swimming again. Over Christmas I spent 3 full-days walking in the Lake District, and felt good. I’ve recently started playing volleyball and learning salsa dancing. Oh, and I’m now working full-time. Not bad eh? I’m still not ‘home and dry’. I still make mistakes or over-do things and then I get symptoms coming back to tell me so. It’s a gradual process of action, observation and learning. It can be frustrating, but seeing the real progress keeps you going.

There’s no voodoo, or new-age gobbledygook. The treatment is based in understanding how the body works. It’s too much to explain it here, but there is a book out now to do just that.

As I am seeing Dr. Mickel, I can vouch for his effectiveness. I have also met about half a dozen of his former clients who are now completely recovered .

I would advise using your own judgement as to how well you feel that your therapist understands your issues and is helping you in the right direction.

MRT is only available in the UK at present, though I believe there are plans to train therapists in the US, Canada, and Australia.

Good luck & best wishes :)
Stu

Sorry Stuart, but they won't let you post websites here. Can you tell me the name of the book so that I can search for it? What you have written is fascinating to me. It almost sounds too good to be true...someone actually cure themselves with therapy alone. I want to try this so badly but unfortunately there isn't anyway to see a therapist here in the states yet. Is it possible to learn these techniques and do them yourself? Can you explain a little bit about the procedure to me? Any info you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Hey lamotta77,

here's the name of the book

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, ME and Fibromyalgia – The Long Awaited Cure


by Doctor David Mickel

I've read it myself, it doesn't go into huge detail about the process but it's pretty encouraging.My understaning of the process is that they believe that a dysfunction of the hypothalamus is the absolute key to CFS, they also believe that this dysfunction is caused by stress or trauma or whatver you want to call upsetting & pressurised events.Bascially they believe that the hypothalamus starts to misfunction as a way of dealing with these life events & that through skilled counselling the therapist can work out what it is that you're 'mind body' is concerned about, when this is dealt with then there is no reason for the hypothalamus to misfire & eventually it will right itself & your symptoms will stop.

I'm actually going to phone one of the therapists tonight to make my first appointment, I spoke to her previously to try to gauge what it was about & whether they were on the level.

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It's a shame that reverse therapy is not available over there for you to try, but I think I remember reading that they may look into trying to do it via some sort of conference link thing in the future.

I want to bring this post back up to the top because this therapy really interests me and I want to give other readers a chance to see this. Since it isn't available in the U.S. yet, can anyone share with me specifics on what it is that you do during a visit and how it worked for you so far? Thanks.

I talked to them in depth last year & researched them & spoke to 2 people who'd had it. Like them I ended up very unimpressed with the whole setup.

Paul38, are you saying that this is probably just another scam? I am very skeptical about it to begin with as it does sound kind of rediculous. Could you tell me what you learned about it in detail? I'm still very curious to hear what you know about it.

OK, I just thought I'd briefly mention my experiences with it so far.

I don't want to talk to much about it because I don't think they consider it helpful.

Anyway I've had 5 sessions now, at the 4th session nothing had really happened & I got pretty angry, said to the therapist that part of me thought I was being ripped off & that my desperation was driving me to make bad decisions.

Anyway something changed between the 4th & 5th session, I'm not really sure why but some of the tension in my muscles lifted & I found I had more energy, I've been lifting weights pretty much every day, with no ill effects, something I haven't been able to do for a long time, & I'm talking about reasonable quantities of weight over a reasonable amount of time.

I can't run for any great distant yet but from what I've read the ability to do anaerobic exercise comes before being able to do aerobic.

Anyway, despite this breakthrough I still have a degree of scepticism, I don't know why, but I guess I'll have it until I make a further breakthrough.

The important thing to say is that the improvement I am feeling has held for 3 weeks or so now, so it doesn't look like the temporary improvement that I've sometimes had with other alternative therapies that doesn't last as soon as I try to move through the gears.


The other thing I'd say to guys like Paul38, is don't come on these type of boards & put down your scepticism, it doesn't help, I was nearly put off trying this thing from reading comments by people like you.

In the end I thought balls to them, I'm gonna give it a go, all these people who say they've got better from it can't be lying or deceiving themselves.

Hi all,

I am currently undergoing Mickel Reverse Therapy. Before I started the therapy I’d have CFS for about 5 years and spent thousands of pounds on all sorts of treatments (including a renowned Harley Street specialist) and made small gains but still had moderate symptoms including brain-fog & fatigue :confused: . I’d hardly done any real exercise, except daily 15 minute walks. Within a short time of starting the therapy I’d started swimming again. Over Christmas I spent 3 full-days walking in the Lake District, and felt good. I’ve recently started playing volleyball and learning salsa dancing. Oh, and I’m now working full-time. Not bad eh? I’m still not ‘home and dry’. I still make mistakes or over-do things and then I get symptoms coming back to tell me so. It’s a gradual process of action, observation and learning. It can be frustrating, but seeing the real progress keeps you going.

There’s no voodoo, or new-age gobbledygook. The treatment is based in understanding how the body works. It’s too much to explain it here, but there is a book out now to do just that.

As I am seeing Dr. Mickel, I can vouch for his effectiveness. I have also met about half a dozen of his former clients who are now completely recovered .

I would advise using your own judgement as to how well you feel that your therapist understands your issues and is helping you in the right direction.

MRT is only available in the UK at present, though I believe there are plans to train therapists in the US, Canada, and Australia.

Good luck & best wishes :)
Stu

I'm fascinated by Reverse Therapy. My symptoms are primarily cold hands/feet and fatigue which lasts the whole day (feels like I've already done a whole day's work when I wake up!). I also have a slight goitre. I work all the time though and exercise regularly - in fact when I started to get ill, I stubbornly refused to change anything about the way I live my life... except for going to bed at 9pm every night to get a good 9-12 hours' sleep!

I don't get the post-exercise malaise, just an overall general fatigue all the time, which doesn't seem to be affected by anything.

I'm intrigued as to how much this kind of therapy would help in my case. I'll try anything once!!

kiya