aslo
03-11-2005, 02:18 PM
I have been ill for a year with both intestinal symptoms and paresthesia, tingling, burning etc.
Sorry about the following:
One soft stool a day, light in color, foul smelling. Mucousy. Discomfort under left front rib cage. Belching nausea usually after bowel movement. All of this has caused panic and depression.
Gastroscope, colonoscopy, stool specimens, blood work all negative.
Thanks
Sorry about the following:
One soft stool a day, light in color, foul smelling. Mucousy. Discomfort under left front rib cage. Belching nausea usually after bowel movement. All of this has caused panic and depression.
Gastroscope, colonoscopy, stool specimens, blood work all negative.
Thanks
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littlegal
03-11-2005, 03:09 PM
Sorry to hear you're not feeling well. I have had this pain under my right rib for about 7 months. My gallbladder has been tested but that's not where the real pain is. I've had this tingling, stinging, major burning, kinda like a small ripping pain on the right side of my navel to around my back. What kind of tingling pain do you have? You say you hurt on the left. Mine is all on the right. I was muscle tested and been told I have parasites and toxins in my colon and small intestines. This could be the cause of my gallbladder not functioning. I've been taking herbal medicine to help "clean" it out! I've been feeling better. Not saying that's your problem, but it's amazing how much toxins a person can have in their body. Speaking of the stool situation - I hate to talk about it but mine is very very loose. Kinda stringy and it has mucous in it too. That can be a cause of parasites. I feel really great when I actually have the so called "heathy one"!!! I thought I had IBS - everytime I eat - I run to the bathroom. Good luck!!
aslo
03-11-2005, 03:42 PM
Thanks for the reply. Yours certainly sounds like gall bladder. Im sure youve had colonoscopy etc.
I had the stool checked for parasites, but nothing shows up. Im not sure about the alternative stuff, though I have tried some things. Candida is a very controversial subject, I dont know what I believe. I have taken probiotics, that had no effect. What things are you taking for parasites?
My tingling is everywhere. shoulders, muscle twitches, burning feet, side of thigh, you name it. It has all caused me to be a mental case especially since its been a whole year. No matter what i eat, i get one soft disgusting stool a day, followed by sickness, nausea, belching etc.
I had the stool checked for parasites, but nothing shows up. Im not sure about the alternative stuff, though I have tried some things. Candida is a very controversial subject, I dont know what I believe. I have taken probiotics, that had no effect. What things are you taking for parasites?
My tingling is everywhere. shoulders, muscle twitches, burning feet, side of thigh, you name it. It has all caused me to be a mental case especially since its been a whole year. No matter what i eat, i get one soft disgusting stool a day, followed by sickness, nausea, belching etc.
mhg1022
03-12-2005, 01:59 PM
Although it is the easiest thing to dimiss, your emotional and mental state is more responsible than you realize. I know a ton about panic and anxiety because I am a long time sufferer from so many emotional RELATED symptoms.
Now, I am not MINIMALIZING your symptoms at all....and I am NOT saying that they are ALL due to emotional stress, anxiety, and panic....but listen to this logic.
I went into my Gastro doc's office one day in late January.
Now as I was leaving the house for my appointment, I was feeling a lot of anxiety..fear..fear of dying...all that stuff.
My stomach was bloated and distended and I feared so many things.
When I got through with my appointment he gave me a vote of confidence and looked me straight in the eyes and said "In my heart of hearts, I really do not believe you have anything more than UC". Take Care...you'll be fine".
I CHOSE TO BELIVE HIM !!!
Well being that I have been too chicken so far to have the colonoscopy...he doesn't know 100% but he said he was really quite confident from other blood tests and a sigmoid done years ago and...whatever.
So...I took that powerful positive suggestion with me...and went to a local music store where I played keyboards for about an hour. When I got home my WHOLE personality had changed from a freaked out scardy cat to a more confident re-assured person feeling more like I will be able to cope and feeling more empowered.
Here's the deal with panic, stress, and anxiety.
If we BELIEVE something (whether or not it is indeed true)..We either make ourselves sicker or make ourselves better.
Let me ask you........
Hypothetically...How would you feel if a team of the greatest doctors in the world studied you and finally said..."Aslo, we have found out the problem that has been causing your suffering and we are certain that it is nothing serious and it can be cured with time and certain easy to take medications"?
You'd KNOW finally...right?
Isn't our greatest ( or worst) fears based on the UNKNOWN?
That is simply our programming from nature.
We are wired that way.
I went through years and years of running to doctors every week to FIND something tangible that was making me ill (This was when I was younger) and when they found nothing ...I was relived yet also frustrated..so I know that whole scene.
What I REFUSED to believe was that my physical problems were caused by my emotional problems..or at LEAST enhanced by it greatly.
The power of the mind ..postive or negative is truly amazing.
I will post more later.
I hope this helps.
You WILL get past this...I feel it and KNOW it !!!
:wave:
Now, I am not MINIMALIZING your symptoms at all....and I am NOT saying that they are ALL due to emotional stress, anxiety, and panic....but listen to this logic.
I went into my Gastro doc's office one day in late January.
Now as I was leaving the house for my appointment, I was feeling a lot of anxiety..fear..fear of dying...all that stuff.
My stomach was bloated and distended and I feared so many things.
When I got through with my appointment he gave me a vote of confidence and looked me straight in the eyes and said "In my heart of hearts, I really do not believe you have anything more than UC". Take Care...you'll be fine".
I CHOSE TO BELIVE HIM !!!
Well being that I have been too chicken so far to have the colonoscopy...he doesn't know 100% but he said he was really quite confident from other blood tests and a sigmoid done years ago and...whatever.
So...I took that powerful positive suggestion with me...and went to a local music store where I played keyboards for about an hour. When I got home my WHOLE personality had changed from a freaked out scardy cat to a more confident re-assured person feeling more like I will be able to cope and feeling more empowered.
Here's the deal with panic, stress, and anxiety.
If we BELIEVE something (whether or not it is indeed true)..We either make ourselves sicker or make ourselves better.
Let me ask you........
Hypothetically...How would you feel if a team of the greatest doctors in the world studied you and finally said..."Aslo, we have found out the problem that has been causing your suffering and we are certain that it is nothing serious and it can be cured with time and certain easy to take medications"?
You'd KNOW finally...right?
Isn't our greatest ( or worst) fears based on the UNKNOWN?
That is simply our programming from nature.
We are wired that way.
I went through years and years of running to doctors every week to FIND something tangible that was making me ill (This was when I was younger) and when they found nothing ...I was relived yet also frustrated..so I know that whole scene.
What I REFUSED to believe was that my physical problems were caused by my emotional problems..or at LEAST enhanced by it greatly.
The power of the mind ..postive or negative is truly amazing.
I will post more later.
I hope this helps.
You WILL get past this...I feel it and KNOW it !!!
:wave:
aslo
03-12-2005, 02:43 PM
Thank you for this positive outlook. I do agree with everything you are saying,
but I have not been able to put it into use. Also, I must say that maybe all of this aggravated the intestines, but now there is a real physical condition happening. I also believe my back, spine is involved with the whole picture.
You are probably right, if that panel of experts told me what you said, Im sure it would have a beneficial effect. Im not sure if it would cure me or not, maybe in time as you stated. As it is now, foods aggravate the condition, so I dont know what to eat, sitting is uncomfortable, lying is uncomfortable, even a shower. Plus I have upset my family, my business is in jeopardy, everything.
So the catch 22 is, I believe I have Chrons in the small intestine, a terrible disease, with very little medications that arent deadly. If I ignore it, which is difficult I could be risking much worse complications. If I go through all the doctors and testing which stresses me to hysteria, I cant relax. If i cant relax, I cant improve and so on.
I see a shrink, but i cant take the antidepressants, make me worse. I do take ativan and things like that, helps a bit, for a little while.
I practice deep breathing, try listening to music(over the negative voices in my head) but I cant relax.
So your words meant a lot. I am afraid of dying, losing my family, business, life everything.
Please write more, I need it. Thanks again.
but I have not been able to put it into use. Also, I must say that maybe all of this aggravated the intestines, but now there is a real physical condition happening. I also believe my back, spine is involved with the whole picture.
You are probably right, if that panel of experts told me what you said, Im sure it would have a beneficial effect. Im not sure if it would cure me or not, maybe in time as you stated. As it is now, foods aggravate the condition, so I dont know what to eat, sitting is uncomfortable, lying is uncomfortable, even a shower. Plus I have upset my family, my business is in jeopardy, everything.
So the catch 22 is, I believe I have Chrons in the small intestine, a terrible disease, with very little medications that arent deadly. If I ignore it, which is difficult I could be risking much worse complications. If I go through all the doctors and testing which stresses me to hysteria, I cant relax. If i cant relax, I cant improve and so on.
I see a shrink, but i cant take the antidepressants, make me worse. I do take ativan and things like that, helps a bit, for a little while.
I practice deep breathing, try listening to music(over the negative voices in my head) but I cant relax.
So your words meant a lot. I am afraid of dying, losing my family, business, life everything.
Please write more, I need it. Thanks again.
aslo
03-12-2005, 03:04 PM
P.S.
I wish I had a doctor like yours. I went through 3 g.i. people, non of them were a bit compassionate. None of them would have done what yours did. They were nasty about the panic/depression and everything else. I wish one had the insight to look at the results and make somewhat of a diagnosis, tell me to fast, do this diet, etc.
I wish I had a doctor like yours. I went through 3 g.i. people, non of them were a bit compassionate. None of them would have done what yours did. They were nasty about the panic/depression and everything else. I wish one had the insight to look at the results and make somewhat of a diagnosis, tell me to fast, do this diet, etc.
anon2239
03-12-2005, 07:37 PM
I would recommend you see if you can find a Spinal Doctor. I go to one in Oklahoma but I know they are all over the country. When I am out of alinement I have all kinds of the same stuff you are having.
I had thrush after gallbladder surgery and have spoken to several other people who have had the same thing. No doctor told them. I took acidolophis and 3000 mg of vit c. Took about 8 days to feel better. Thought I was cured and then stopped taking the meds. Went to a nurse practictioner (sp) and she told me I still had it. She gave me one of the 5 day antibotics, told me to get back on the acidolophis and Vit C and to eat yogurt daily. That was in January and I am now feeling so much better.
Keep your chin up and do not give up. Life is short enough as it is.
Sandra
I had thrush after gallbladder surgery and have spoken to several other people who have had the same thing. No doctor told them. I took acidolophis and 3000 mg of vit c. Took about 8 days to feel better. Thought I was cured and then stopped taking the meds. Went to a nurse practictioner (sp) and she told me I still had it. She gave me one of the 5 day antibotics, told me to get back on the acidolophis and Vit C and to eat yogurt daily. That was in January and I am now feeling so much better.
Keep your chin up and do not give up. Life is short enough as it is.
Sandra
aslo
03-12-2005, 08:04 PM
What do you mean by a spinal doctor? I usually use Chiropractors, but lately that just aggravates everything.I also went to something called active release technique and accupuncture. The accupuncture made me much worse. Plus i didnt like laying there in pain like a pincushion.
Why would they give you antibiotics for thrush? Thats a fungal thing, you should take nystatin or diflucan or nizoral for that.
Why would they give you antibiotics for thrush? Thats a fungal thing, you should take nystatin or diflucan or nizoral for that.
anon2239
03-12-2005, 09:07 PM
There is a BIG difference. I have been going to Brooks Spinal Clinic in Tulsa for about 14 years. They keep the spine in aline, no jerking and popping! When I go in the the first thing he has me do is lay flat on a table. I am 65 and at times if I have not been for 7 or 8 months it is very hard and I can not lay my legs down flat. Then he checks the length and usually one leg is shorter. I then get down and get on a thing where he checks my hip bones.
Then you lay down on a padded board and your ear is measured to make sure it is in correct place. Dr Brooks then works on the neck, very gently, this is not twisting and turning and popping. You can hear little clicking noises.
So then he offers his hand and I can jump up, walk over to the table and lay flat on my back.
You then go into another room, sit in a recliner for about 20 minutes.
I know this sounds, well, silly, but honestly I then stand straight, walk straight, sleep well, it is really unbelievable!
Then you lay down on a padded board and your ear is measured to make sure it is in correct place. Dr Brooks then works on the neck, very gently, this is not twisting and turning and popping. You can hear little clicking noises.
So then he offers his hand and I can jump up, walk over to the table and lay flat on my back.
You then go into another room, sit in a recliner for about 20 minutes.
I know this sounds, well, silly, but honestly I then stand straight, walk straight, sleep well, it is really unbelievable!
shasta19
03-12-2005, 09:37 PM
Hi Aslo,
I have been going through something similar in way's to what you are having to deal with. Let me start off by saying that I am sorry and I know that it is far from easy to think positive when you go through test after test with no results. I have been in pretty severe pain for 5 month's. It started when I woke up with a severe pain in my right flank. I went through a barium enema, ultrasound, ct scan, and colonoscopy with a local gastroenterologist. The results were small kidney stones in left kidney, enlarged spleen (18cm) and they found pre cancerous polyps in my colon. None of this explained the pain. I then went to another specialist and they started at the other end with an endoscopy. I had many branches in my esophogas and they took many biopsy's. The results were I had Barretts disease and they are treating me with Protonix (80 mg/day) and I also had esophagitis. The biopsy's once again came back as being in a pre cancerous state. After all this, there is still no reason for the pain that I am experiencing It is now uncomfortable for me to sit, wear any type of restricting clothing, or even to the touch sometimes. I am going for a liver biopsy and mri next week and the reason for that is that I have had some strange side affects as well that none of the specialists have seem to put together. One being a VERY itchy back and that is a symptom of problems with the liver. Now I don't mean to self diagnose (I have done way too much of that through this ordeal) but this is the first explination for my extremely itchy back. My pain has now moved around my stomach and I now get a lot of pain in my waistline as well. I just felt it was important to write to you about this because I know how much of a toll this has taken on me mentally and I am lucky to have a great bunch of supporting friends and family. I will let you know what happens with the liver tests. I would advise you to look at little things, like my itch, in postings such as this. Good luck and hang in there.
Shasta 19
I have been going through something similar in way's to what you are having to deal with. Let me start off by saying that I am sorry and I know that it is far from easy to think positive when you go through test after test with no results. I have been in pretty severe pain for 5 month's. It started when I woke up with a severe pain in my right flank. I went through a barium enema, ultrasound, ct scan, and colonoscopy with a local gastroenterologist. The results were small kidney stones in left kidney, enlarged spleen (18cm) and they found pre cancerous polyps in my colon. None of this explained the pain. I then went to another specialist and they started at the other end with an endoscopy. I had many branches in my esophogas and they took many biopsy's. The results were I had Barretts disease and they are treating me with Protonix (80 mg/day) and I also had esophagitis. The biopsy's once again came back as being in a pre cancerous state. After all this, there is still no reason for the pain that I am experiencing It is now uncomfortable for me to sit, wear any type of restricting clothing, or even to the touch sometimes. I am going for a liver biopsy and mri next week and the reason for that is that I have had some strange side affects as well that none of the specialists have seem to put together. One being a VERY itchy back and that is a symptom of problems with the liver. Now I don't mean to self diagnose (I have done way too much of that through this ordeal) but this is the first explination for my extremely itchy back. My pain has now moved around my stomach and I now get a lot of pain in my waistline as well. I just felt it was important to write to you about this because I know how much of a toll this has taken on me mentally and I am lucky to have a great bunch of supporting friends and family. I will let you know what happens with the liver tests. I would advise you to look at little things, like my itch, in postings such as this. Good luck and hang in there.
Shasta 19
aslo
03-13-2005, 01:28 AM
Anon,
I dont think we have anything like that around me, I wish they did. What type of doctors are they? M.D.'s? Orthopedists, ?
Id look them up in my area, but I dont know what they are.
Thanks
Shasta,
Boy youve been through the mill. Makes me ashamed. You did more in 5 months than i care to do in a lifetime. The pain moving around to the waistline doesnt really sound like your liver though. Are you experiencing panic and depression? I shouldnt be surprized.
Do you think any of it could be muscular? Depends on the type of pain.
Are your bm's normal? One wonders what the heck can start something like this. Youve certainly covered many of your internal organs thats for sure.
Maybe some of the pains are referred pains from just having so many digestive problems. The hard thing about having something like this for so long, is that it becomes difficult to recover. Almost impossible to feel good again. Maybe its just a matter of getting very healthy now with your diet,
exercise and so forth. Thanks for your comments and I pray for your recovery. Keep us posted.
I dont think we have anything like that around me, I wish they did. What type of doctors are they? M.D.'s? Orthopedists, ?
Id look them up in my area, but I dont know what they are.
Thanks
Shasta,
Boy youve been through the mill. Makes me ashamed. You did more in 5 months than i care to do in a lifetime. The pain moving around to the waistline doesnt really sound like your liver though. Are you experiencing panic and depression? I shouldnt be surprized.
Do you think any of it could be muscular? Depends on the type of pain.
Are your bm's normal? One wonders what the heck can start something like this. Youve certainly covered many of your internal organs thats for sure.
Maybe some of the pains are referred pains from just having so many digestive problems. The hard thing about having something like this for so long, is that it becomes difficult to recover. Almost impossible to feel good again. Maybe its just a matter of getting very healthy now with your diet,
exercise and so forth. Thanks for your comments and I pray for your recovery. Keep us posted.
shasta19
03-13-2005, 07:59 AM
Thank you for the reply and concern aslo. You asked me about panic and depression. I have always been a very upbeat and happy person, but this has definitely taking it's toll on me. I have started to become very depressed though with everything going on. I have never been one to want to "talk to someone" or take medications but I am seriously considering some type of action. Have you gone in that direction at all? Good luck with you and hopefully today will be a good day for everyone!!
Harry
03-13-2005, 11:31 AM
aslo,
It sounds to me that your intestinal good friendly bacteria ( over 400 different kinds) are out of balance or overgrown and needs to be re-balanced.
Food that is properly digested does not have a foul smell but is caused by your digestive system not functioning properly with the corect enzymes and intestinal bacterii--
This can easily happen with antibiotics, not a good diet or one with too much sugar or salt in it, spicy food or just eating some that does not agree with you.
I will bet with the tests you have had --no Doctor has questioned you about your diet??? They normally don't... Because they are trained to treat you with medicine. Also,there is not any method to test you to see if your digestive bacteria that is normally present is out of balance.
To help correct your digestive problems --- I suggest that you start taking a digestive enzyme with every meal. I use one put out by Source Natruals but there are many on the market that will work.
Also, to re-balance your friendly bacteria in your Gastro tract -- eat yogurt that contains additional active cultures at least 4 times daily or drink Kefir a cultured milk product that has been in use for 2000 years -- it contains many different beneficial cultures. And, take a probiotic supplement several times daily. There are some on the market that are coated so the cultures are not destroyed by the stomach acids or the heat of room temps.
I like and use Pearls, by Enzymatic Therapy, or BioBeads by Natrol, PB-8 by Nutrition Now, Primadophilus-Reuteri. They can be bought at a health food store or online.
God Bless---Harry
It sounds to me that your intestinal good friendly bacteria ( over 400 different kinds) are out of balance or overgrown and needs to be re-balanced.
Food that is properly digested does not have a foul smell but is caused by your digestive system not functioning properly with the corect enzymes and intestinal bacterii--
This can easily happen with antibiotics, not a good diet or one with too much sugar or salt in it, spicy food or just eating some that does not agree with you.
I will bet with the tests you have had --no Doctor has questioned you about your diet??? They normally don't... Because they are trained to treat you with medicine. Also,there is not any method to test you to see if your digestive bacteria that is normally present is out of balance.
To help correct your digestive problems --- I suggest that you start taking a digestive enzyme with every meal. I use one put out by Source Natruals but there are many on the market that will work.
Also, to re-balance your friendly bacteria in your Gastro tract -- eat yogurt that contains additional active cultures at least 4 times daily or drink Kefir a cultured milk product that has been in use for 2000 years -- it contains many different beneficial cultures. And, take a probiotic supplement several times daily. There are some on the market that are coated so the cultures are not destroyed by the stomach acids or the heat of room temps.
I like and use Pearls, by Enzymatic Therapy, or BioBeads by Natrol, PB-8 by Nutrition Now, Primadophilus-Reuteri. They can be bought at a health food store or online.
God Bless---Harry
aslo
03-13-2005, 05:51 PM
Thanks Harry, I use a vegetable type enzyme, and a good primodopholus, neither seem to do much. I take them anyway.Also tried Primal Defense, that was too rough for me.
mhg1022
03-13-2005, 10:12 PM
Aslo,
I feel for you and your despair.
You aren't really afraid of dying...you're afraid of living like this.
Think of it this way....
There is help out there somewhere but the right person,persons, or situations haven't been discovered by you as of YET. It IS around the corner.
Sometimes when all seems so gloomy...I go deep way inside myself and somehow find a way to believe that things will get better.
When that moment comes...you will see a teeny little flicker of light (metaphorically speaking ).
I will keep posting here until you get better.
I will post again soon when I can think of something that will actually HELP you to help yourself feel less despair and somewhat hopeful.
YOU WILL GET BETTER I FEEL IT!!!
I feel for you and your despair.
You aren't really afraid of dying...you're afraid of living like this.
Think of it this way....
There is help out there somewhere but the right person,persons, or situations haven't been discovered by you as of YET. It IS around the corner.
Sometimes when all seems so gloomy...I go deep way inside myself and somehow find a way to believe that things will get better.
When that moment comes...you will see a teeny little flicker of light (metaphorically speaking ).
I will keep posting here until you get better.
I will post again soon when I can think of something that will actually HELP you to help yourself feel less despair and somewhat hopeful.
YOU WILL GET BETTER I FEEL IT!!!
aslo
03-14-2005, 10:32 AM
I am afraid of both to tell you the truth. And in between, being tortured by
the gasp, medical proffession.Afraid of going insane, being seperated from my family etc. etc.
I do wish I could come up with some new age cure, and not have to deal with these people. Get my life back, my daughter, music and photography, vacations.
I await your words of wisdom.
the gasp, medical proffession.Afraid of going insane, being seperated from my family etc. etc.
I do wish I could come up with some new age cure, and not have to deal with these people. Get my life back, my daughter, music and photography, vacations.
I await your words of wisdom.