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vamp36
03-14-2005, 01:25 PM
Has anyone had one? If so, How do they do it? Does it hurt? I am having one in 3 weeks. Any info would be great. Thnaks, TIna

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Gibsgirl32
03-14-2005, 03:08 PM
Hi. I've had them before. I had a nerve root block in lower back at L5/S1 and also had injection between left hip bone. It was a bad experience for me, as the anastesiologist hit the nerve (extreme pain!!!). It also only gave me relief for 1 day. All that said, everyone's experience is different. If you are seeking pain relief, I would go for it. I may be the best thing for you. Yes, it is scary, but learn all you can before you go (I didn't). That way you can be more prepared.
Gibsgirl

feelbad
03-15-2005, 08:46 AM
Are you having an actual "block" or ESI?Also, what area are you having done?

adam2180
03-15-2005, 10:49 AM
I had 7 intercostal nerve blocks done. They laid me on my stomach on the operating table, they do give you a little versed in your IV to relax you, but if you have any pain meds I would suggest taking them before going to help relax more. I would assume it will be an anesthesiologist that will do it as that's who did mine. They numb you up, then put a needle into that nerve which just about brought me off the table, and then they shoot some kind of anesthetic in there. I wasn't able to obtain much relief from mine as far as long term they helped for a few days, and after the numbing wore off the pain was worse I thought. This is just my experience with them, I know some people have done really well with them. But I get more relief taking my low dose of Neurontin and Topamax everyday. Good luck and I do hope they work well for you. They hurt, but it's just maybe for a 4 seconds tops until the numbing kicks in and then it's sweet relief that feels awesome.

Shoreline
03-15-2005, 01:49 PM
I've had good ones and bad ones too, There is nothing like having a needle pierce a major nerve, It can definitely light you up like a christmas tree. The actual procedure may varry from doc to doc or where you have it done. I've had them done in the hospital by anesthesiologists with a little versed and I've had them while sedated with remifentanil and propofol, The remi fent is a powerful and very short acting pain killer, 3-10 minutes and proponol or profonol can also be used for very short procedures that require the patient to be imobile, no twitching or jerking when you hit the nerve. Using a sedative that causes amnesia also makes returning for another a much easier decision.

The idea of nerve blocks isn't partricularly to provide lasting relief, once the numbing agent wears off your back to square one , hopefully withoutt too much trauma to the nerve. The more trauma to the nerve the more post procedural pain when the anesthestic wears off. The more frequntly it's done the more likely you will have scarring issues with that nerve.

If a nerve block is succesful, they will likely discuss some type of nerve destruction procedure, radio frequency or chemical ablation. These types of nerve ablation or destruction are also temporary but last months rather than days, nerves regenerate in 3-6 months but 6 months of relief from nerve pain is a huge relief. Unfortunately these procedures have to be repeated several times a year if it's the only way to maintain relief.

It is invasive, the more time they stick a needle into a nerve the more scar tissue that builds up which can either amplify the pain signal when the nerve regenerates or can minimize the pain signal from the scarring caused by needle insertion.

Confidence in your doc, the use of flouroscopy to guide the injection are a must. As far as sedation, It depends on the faclility that it's done at. Surprisingly, I got the best sedation at my PM clinic. They do all their procedures on site, have the rescue equipment if something happens and the doc is more comfortable workng in his own procedure room, set up the way they want.

If it's done at a hospital, it's likely done in a radiology room where they don't have the means to provide anesthesia and a crash cart or in a vascular radiology room which are rarely equiped the way a surgery suite is with rescue abilty. It's always been an anesthesiologist performing these blocks, but if the anesthesiologist is your PM doc, things should go better than your PM doc sending you off to the hopital to meet a strange anesthesiologist for the first time that knows nothing about your history.

Maybe it's just a comfort thing knowing my PM doc isn't going to let me suffer if I'm in pain rather than being run through the radiology dept and using the hospital staff anesthesiology group. You may have 3 done in one year and end up with a different anesthesiogist each time at a hopital. Someone that knows nothing more about you other than which nerve your PM doc wants blocked.

Surprisingly I feel safer at the clinic with a crash cart next to me and narcan and rescue meds on the procedure table. I know there not going to use a surgical suite that's equiped the way the clinics procedure room is. Obviously the clinic I go to has gone to great expense to build and set up their own procedure room and recovery room and handle things themself rather than farming out procedures to a doc you never met and you will never meet again.

The use of anesthesia or sedation is really up to the doc and the facility you have it done at. The ones at the hospital were always done in a basic Xray or vascular study suites where sedation at best was a couple mgs of Versed. It's a pretty basic procedure, But your care is determined by the doc and the facility it's done at.

The only real difference is the comfort level during the actual procedure, Like others have said, after a few seconds they do numb the nerve they have pierced, but those few seconds are not pleaseant if you are awake. I would certainly talk to your doc and ask him about sedation, where it's done and about nerve ablation if the block is succesful. What method he uses for ablation when blocks are succesful and provide a lot of relief.

Just like surgical methods and anesthesia options, there are alot of variables in nerve blocks, who, where, sedation or not and what kind and follow up care, etc.
Good luck, Dave
PS. Before you self medicate prior to a procedure, find out what they are goning to use or provide. If you have a load of opiates on board out of fear and allow them to give you anesthesia without their knowledge, your putting yourself at great risk.

girl75
03-15-2005, 02:58 PM
hey tina, i too have had nerve block procedure in my neck and mid back at different times. it is a bit nerve wrecking when you first go and have no idea what will happen. when i went my pm doc met me at a hospital where they had all the stuff set up. i did have an ivy and anesthesia. they gave me a good dose of whatever it was because i only remember the pain a little. it was a weird stinging sensation and the doc told me everything he was doing so i knew when to expect the pain. afterwards i was groggy and stayed in recovery till i was able to stay awake and walk. both times i had them i was just a little sore in the area. ice and pain meds really helped alot. they both helped a couple of months and then the pain came back with a vengence. pretty much back to square one. also i have like 50 (just kidding) other sites of pain so i was still in pain from those areas.
anyway even though the procedure was not that bad i really don't think that i will have them done anymore. personally i think it will help if you have pain in a specific area. well good luck and i hope everything goes well and you get some relief. keep us posted so you can let us know how it went.
robin (girl75)

serendip
03-16-2005, 01:51 PM
i've had them in my pm doc's office, and in an outpatient surgery center under fluroscope and iv anesthesia (fentanyl and i versed, i think).

honestly, i've been in pain so long, having occipital (base of skull, back of neck) nerve blocks done in pm office with NO anesthesia felt a bit painful, but wasn't unbearable. believe it or not, i have some experience in other avenues of my life with moving pain around (in my head, like moving my foot when extreme neck pain hurts too much to move it), and i actually very successfully only slightly moved my foot during the 3rd of 4 occiptial shots i had. these were with no numbing agent and no anesthesia at ALL.

that said, the epidural injections (cervical spine) i've had under full sedation and with fluroscope were much more pleasant...except for getting the iv put in. i had no bad reaction to the fentanyl or versed, and i'm a big girl but healthy (but it's always a risk if you're large to be sedated, i believe because it's harder to get dosage right and airway isn't as clear).

in fact, the ONLY time i've experienced a pain-free hour in the past five YEARS was while the fentanyl was still on board. for the first hour after my first epidural, i was very hopeful that a good solution was at hand. unfortunately, iv fentanyl isn't a daily option (or at least...not yet ;-> ).

i've had trigger point injections both with and without numbing, and countless acupuncture procedures, so i may be very very used to having needles under my very sore musculature and directly into the nerves...please take my comments knowing that!

do absolutely take your normal dosages of pain meds prior to procedure unless doc tells you not to, your body can have a very weird response to almost anything (stress, shots, other sedation, walking down the hall) if you've become accustomed to them and do NOT have them in your system day of procedure. i made a shocking error one time, going in for EMG testing with no Rx on board...oh the agony! do talk it over with your doc first, and ask every question you think of, even if it makes you feel silly. you'll feel better for knowing beforehand, trust me.

---pam, but don't OVER-do your pre-procedure meds!!!

vamp36
03-18-2005, 01:26 PM
Thanks for all the replies. I have a chronic liver illness and the pain is in my liver area. I do have nerve damage along my lower rib from the trocar during my galbladder surgery. They believe this is the major cause of my ongoing pain. I'm hoping this will work. Thanks again, Tina
Also, this will be done at the PM clinic.

trainerjr
03-19-2005, 09:14 PM
Vamp, I have had several. I have a fused wrist and developed RSD after the second of 5 surgeries. The purpose of my blocks were to get into PT and stop the Sympathetic Nerve process that was out of wack. It was a long road. The blocks themselves are painless and they helped in getting the RSD under control. Hope this helps!
JT

vamp36
03-20-2005, 02:51 PM
Thanks again. The block is scheduled for April 1st. I will let you all know how it goes.





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