Hello I've started practicing the Modified Epley Manoeuvre but as I'm not sure which side my trouble is I wonder if I'm doing it right. Is it ok to do it on both sides or does that sort of counter-act what you've already done on th 1st side?

Hello I've started practicing the Modified Epley Manoeuvre but as I'm not sure which side my trouble is I wonder if I'm doing it right. Is it ok to do it on both sides or does that sort of counter-act what you've already done on th 1st side?

Hi Katkin

Well---to do both sides---that is a lot of moving around---not sure that will help/tell you anything---for sure.

from experience/gut feel---you do not think that one side is more sensitive then the other?

try standing in one place---close your eyes---and count---backward--to zero---from 80---while trying to march "in place"---see if you turn to one side,i.e., to the right or left---when you stop counting---which ever side you turn toward---is normally the side with the problem

When/if you attempt it---do it with some one watching---or in a location---where you can't fall---everyone tends to move a little forward---but---some one without a vestibular problem---will not turn to the right or left---during the "countdown" from eighty....

if that does not give a positive result(turn to the right or left)---and you have know idea which one it is---try this----pick a side---do the MEP for that side---following the instructions that you downloaded with the video----remember---if you do three MEP sets over a 24 hour period with no "spin" on any maneuver of any of the sets----stop. Wait---at least---96 hours...

If you still feel like your going to "spin"----while "positioning" your head---try doing the MEP for the other side---following the instructions---for that side.....

At least that way---you maybe in a better position to sort out the results of the MEP...

P.s. when I say "spin" I do not mean dizzy/unbalanced/floaty, etc...those are associated with compensation---which happens after the MEP gets the rocks out...

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Thank you so much o wise one hehe! My Mum is coming over tomorrow so I can get her to help me try that then! Thank you very much!
My left ear is more painful/odd but I have a feeling there's a little trouble (balance-wise) on both sides.. hmmm! We'll see!

Thank you so much for your fabulous on-going help!!
Really... what would we do without you? :)

try standing in one place---close your eyes---and count---backward--to zero---from 80---while trying to march "in place"---see if you turn to one side,i.e., to the right or left---when you stop counting---which ever side you turn toward---is normally the side with the problem

Hi Subs...just for the h*ll of it I tried the marching and felt a little tipsy at times but didn't end up drifting right or left. Looks like this grey matter might have worked things out. :cool:

Waheeey go Scottieeeee....

Hello I did it and turned a bit to the right the 1st time (but ultimately and more strongly to the left) and to the left the second time. My mum did it too (just out of interest) - we weren't sure if you meant turning WHILE doing it or after opening eyes. Anyway when my Mum did it..... whilst she was doing it she turned really far round to the left and didn't realise she had done so until she opened her eyes. I said that maybe she had a vestibular problem and didn't know it as you had said "some one without a vestibular problem---will not turn to the right or left---during the "countdown" from eighty...." and that might be the cause of some of her problems (she has depression) and she said that she knows she does not have a vestibular problem and she's worried that people can look at these health boards and convince themselves that's why they're feeling weird! HUH!
I don't think that at all. I told her that like she knows she DOESN'T have a problem I know I have.. I mean I don't INVENT feeling so rotten!! Pah!!

Hello I did it and turned a bit to the right the 1st time (but ultimately and more strongly to the left) and to the left the second time. My mum did it too (just out of interest) - we weren't sure if you meant turning WHILE doing it or after opening eyes. Anyway when my Mum did it..... whilst she was doing it she turned really far round to the left and didn't realise she had done so until she opened her eyes. I said that maybe she had a vestibular problem and didn't know it as you had said "some one without a vestibular problem---will not turn to the right or left---during the "countdown" from eighty...." and that might be the cause of some of her problems (she has depression) and she said that she knows she does not have a vestibular problem and she's worried that people can look at these health boards and convince themselves that's why they're feeling weird! HUH!
I don't think that at all. I told her that like she knows she DOESN'T have a problem I know I have.. I mean I don't INVENT feeling so rotten!! Pah!!

Hi

Ok---think I would---suspect---the left side---and MEP---that....

Next time you see your Mom---have her do the same thing---only--this time---counting backward from 100 by 3's ,.i.e., 97, 94, etc...eyes closed---she will prob--go around in a circle... :cool:

Ya---did---good!!


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Thanks very much Subs!! :)

(So do you reckon she has vestib stuff too? Or just a coincidence...?)

Thanks very much Subs!! :)

(So do you reckon she has vestib stuff too? Or just a coincidence...?)

Hi Katkin

Your welcome!


...."So do you reckon she has vestib stuff too? Or just a coincidence...?"....

Don't know for sure---but if you go to my post in August of 2003---it lists a number of easily done tests---to find out...it is from the U.S. Navy Flight testing...site...


http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/Forum72/HTML/000833.html

You(& ur Mom) did the "Unterberg step test"---toward the bottom of those listed on that page.....The U.S. Navy web site:

"United States Naval Flight Surgeon's Manual: Third Edition: Chapter 7: Neurology

Vertigo and Disequilibrium
Naval Aerospace Medical Institute"

Is a U.S. Govt web site---and has--an extensive--amount of info covering this area---as you might imagine---you do not want some one in the seat of an F-14/18 launching off a carrier at night(or any time) who is feeling "dizzy" or is suspected of having balance problems---so the Navy tests them--a lot---for this type of problem...if they do not pass the tests---their taken off "Flight Status"---immediatly......

Have fun but be careful..... :cool:

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Hey Subs
Going to check out that site, looks interesting, don't think I would make flight material at this point in my recovery (or ever).
Was at work today at a training session and feeling very foggy and gross, thinking I should be home, then we got a call to respond for a confined space rescue.
I am on a technical rescue team and we had to retrieve a person caught in machinery. So off I go and perform with no problem. Four hours later, no food or water, I think, hey I didn't think about this stuff once. That's when I question how much is actually in my head and how much is a physical thing. Do you think that being busy just takes our mind off this stuff? I often go to work not feeling my best and no matter what the job throws at me I manage to get through, those feelings of "I feel like I could pass out" never materialize and when I am in the midst of exercise or work those feelings are not there...so is it just a feeling "in my head"?
Makes me think the best way to a faster recovery is to stay busy...and stop thinking so much about it.
Cheers
FC

Wow Subs that sounds really interesting and helpful! I'm going to check it out (and show Mum lol!)
Thank you so much.

Hey firechick! I reckon that adrenaline can keep us going and make us feel good. (Which may explain why you feel a bit better when you're doing the rescue stuff).
I can go to do a gig and feel absolutely terrible, but I always sing my heart out and put energy into the performance and I strangely seem to find that I feel a lot better. Also we feel better with that blood pumping round all our organs nice and strongly. Obviously we have to be careful not to over-do it as we get tired so easily and our health is so 'fragile' right now.
I also notice that sometimes if I'm occupied at work or collegeI feel a little bit better too (doesn't happen as often as I'd like though hehe) I think that there thing here is... we're just not thinking about it.. it doesn't mean it's not there or not real.

I know what you mean about questioning whether it's 'in your head'. Well we know ourselves best and if you think it's not then it's probably not. No wonder we get confused with all the weird sensations this beast gives us and then the anxiety that stems FROM those original weird feelings (anyone with half a sensitive bone in their body would feel anxious). It is a hard line to find.. and I suppose sometimes they intertwine. But obviously it's from the horrible sensations we get that we feel anxious. We just need to make sure that we're not feeling weird because we're so scared of feeling weird! Hard to tell which is which though!!

Anyway - you know yourself best :)
Katkin xx

Hey Subs
Going to check out that site, looks interesting, don't think I would make flight material at this point in my recovery (or ever).
Was at work today at a training session and feeling very foggy and gross, thinking I should be home, then we got a call to respond for a confined space rescue.
I am on a technical rescue team and we had to retrieve a person caught in machinery. So off I go and perform with no problem. Four hours later, no food or water, I think, hey I didn't think about this stuff once. That's when I question how much is actually in my head and how much is a physical thing. Do you think that being busy just takes our mind off this stuff? I often go to work not feeling my best and no matter what the job throws at me I manage to get through, those feelings of "I feel like I could pass out" never materialize and when I am in the midst of exercise or work those feelings are not there...so is it just a feeling "in my head"?
Makes me think the best way to a faster recovery is to stay busy...and stop thinking so much about it.
Cheers
FC

Hi Firechick

Sounds like an exciting day...agree with Katkin---adrenalin--prob picks up some---but I also think---your calling up the reserve capacity of your brain's equilibrium system and your training(memory)---and then putting them into action---making moves---taking positions---that---previous training prepared you for and stored away---and when you get in a situation that puts all of that into action---things go into automatic---as---before this junk screwed it up---somewhat

....then---its over---and---the brain says---hey---neat stuff---all those neurons firing---for that length of time---got to be important stuff----got to lock this stuff in---fine tune all those new equations---that were developed---and you go into a compensation event---feel weired/floaty/etc....

---while ---the brain moves everything---it learned---from that very intense event---into long term memory---that takes some doing---and a lot of processing power---when its done all of that will be stored---and will automatically---be pulled up---in similar situations.....until it is all back---in long term memory---remember the brain only moves those things to long term memory---that by your actions---you designate as "important"----soon----

The movement repertoire is reestablished---full compensation--has occurred---and---the junk has left the building!!

All part of putting out the fire--and making sure it stays out!

To be able to perform as you did in that situation---and not even think about---the junk---prob says it all---better then anyone here can

---your close!

If by in your head---you mean imaging it---and that is the root cause---of it all-----Not a chance!!!

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