I used to visit this board every day until somehow my internet connection at work wouldn't allow it.

Those who were around then know that I'm the guy who completely inactivated the virus using oxygen therapy. Well, I'm very happy to say that I'm still outbreak free...going on 3 years now. At first, I was having OBs every week and they could last up to 8 weeks. My doctor put me on Famvir but it didn't work. I was never without dozens of sores until I started researching and using some very controversial alternative therapies. The first was hydrogen peroxide, I diluted 35% food grade H2O2 (very dangerous to handle, so do proper research if you are interested) in a glass of distilled water 3 times a day, in progressively increasing doses.

I then heard about a substance called DMSO, which is a super solvent that, when applied topically, will transport anything it touches into your body. It can even pull the dye from clothes into you - so it can be quite dangerous also. But, I didn't care about anything except ridding myself of herpes, so I sprayed H2O2 on my OB sites and the corresponding areas of my spine where the nerve ganglion are located, and covered that with DMSO to sink it directly into the nerve cells.

After some healing reactions, everything cleared up and that was almost 3 years ago. I never needed another dose of either therapy, the oral H2O2 was a 6 week program, the DMSO/H2O2 I used for about 3 months or so (if I remember correctly). I don't even think about herpes anymore, it's gone completley, and I owe a debt of gratitude to the people that push alternative treatments. Doctors have gone to jail for using oxygen treatments because the medical establishment knows it would put them all out of business.

But I found it, and the rest of the world can believe all the lies and live with herpes forever....but I don't have to anymore, and you wouldn't believe how that makes me feel when I think back to the emotional turmoil that HSV caused me.

I just wanted to update anyone here that wondered where the hell I went. I would also like to encourage careful experimentation with oxygen therapies, because I remember how awful it is to have horrible OBs and I know that it's completely unneccessary.

That's all for now,

Nonexist

Congratulations, however, all you can say is that you have been outbreak free for three years. You cannot say that you "completely inactivated the virus". The Herpes virus remains dormant along nerve pathways until something triggers its outbreak. What doctors rely upon are scientific studies done with controls and are reviewed independently. Scientific studies are the ONLY way to state effectiveness of a drug or therapy. Anything else is antecdodal. All drugs and therapies are never 100% certain to work in 100% of the population. That's the nature of the human body. To say that doctors do or don't do something because it would put them out of business is blatently false.

I hope you continue to be herpes free, but your method is not proven. The key to your therapy is as you stated - experimental.

Hey nonexist! Really good to hear from you, and to hear that you are doing so well. Peace.

Lol. You know, that's how herpes works - you may have outbreaks to start with (your first is generally the worst), and they decline in severity and frequency from there. That happens regardless of treatment (or should I say, "treatment"). And I think it's important to know that lots of people - most - are asymptomatic to start with anyway. I have both HSV1 and 2 and have NEVER had an outbreak. This therapy is nonsense. However, what concerns me is the fact that regardless of what you believe, you still have the virus in your body, and you're still contagious. Please be careful with your partners.

No, I don't believe at all that that is the usual course of this disease. I had a primary and then about 1-3 ob's a year for many years (9? 10?), and then started having one per month. Now I usually get one a month; if I'm very very good, well-rested, etc, I might skip one month. I have no immune system failure and have been generally much healthier and under less stress than 12-14 years ago, when my marriage was failing and my children were all very young. I have read many people here who say that the virus has followed this same pattern in their lives.

Anyway, nonexist didn't say that his ob's had lessened. He said they had disappeared for 3 whole years. I remember when it was less than a year. I think it's weird that some of you won't credit the fact that he went from unending ob's, much worse than most people have, to none in two months time.

I'm not starting the therapy myself, though someday I might decide to. But I won't act as though I know everything about this virus, or that drs do, either; and I won't downplay or denigrate nonexist's experience. Whether he believes he's cured or not, I know him for a responsible, thinking, caring person, who will not risk another person --any more than the rest of us would risk a partner.

I dont mean to offend anyone here and I have a lil idea that most of you know each other for a long time thru these postings. My conerns is that how do we know if someone is not trying to advertize a product by claiming that he got rid of outbreaks by using "that" product?
So many of us, including myself, tried DMSO cream and their oxy liquids but I guess it didnt work for anyone except one person. May be he is right, may be is not. who knows.

Anyway, do u guys have any latest news about herpevac experiments? I thought it was a promising research done by Dept of health incorp with other health organizations.

The frequency and duration of his outbreaks was *highly* unusual in the first place, so it makes sense that his experience overall would be highly unusual. In fact, I think I would have seen infectious disease specialists to be sure these sores and occurances really were herpes outbreaks. But either way, if this guy really did benefit from this, then I'm happy for him. I do think that the therapy had less to do with it than his belief that the therapy would work, and his desire for the therapy to work. Our minds affect our health, and vice-versa.

Has he been tested to see if he really doesn't have herpes anymore? If not, then he needs to be telling his partners he has herpes.

Hey Nonexist, I am so happy for you! And jeleous, hehe.

Anyways, have you been to the doc since to get a blood test done? I'd be floored to hear it comes up negative. . .I imagine you may not even want the test done for fear of the results, so I understand if you haven't. And you have/had HSV-2? Just curious.

Any advice on where to get the H202 and the DMSO?

Thanks!

The frequency and duration of his outbreaks was *highly* unusual in the first place, so it makes sense that his experience overall would be highly unusual.



not really, its somewhat common for people to experience very freqruent outbreaks for the first 1 or 2 years.

Having a research background myself, I understand the role of controlled studies in medicine. I also understand that they are prohibitively expensive without backing from a pharmaceutical company. The fact that nonexist's treatment choice (or any other "alternative" treatment) has never been scientifically studied does NOT mean that it isn't a valid and effective treatment.

Nearly all medications were created after the observation of anectdotal evidence. And many doctors still use medications to treat conditions based on anecdotal evidence. For example, topomax, a medication that controls epilepsy, was very recently approved for the FDA for use in patients to control migraines. It's been used this way for years based on anectodal evidence...the fact that there was no empiracal evidence didn't negate the effectiveness.

I am certainly not going to try this therapy (I've never had an OB), but I certainly wouldn't criticize anyone for trying it based on the lack of scientific studies. The fact is it's never going to be an FDA-approved studied treatment option because nobody has the money to fund a study like that. Pharmaceutical companies don't fund research on "alternative" treatments because there's no money to be had in it. Like someone (maybe it was you, backpacker) said one time, "They can't patent nature." Maybe doctors don't make treatment decisions based on the possibility of being put out of business, but I garantee you that pharmaceutical companies (and their shareholders) make their decisions based on financial risks, and in the end, that's who decides what treatments get studied and which ones don't.

Gee, hsvmom, I didn't say that, but I wish I did.

Since the blood test only indicates whether antibodies are in the blood, and antibodies last a long time (therefore vaccines are effective), a blood test would not tell whether the virus still lived in him.

Hey, nice to see you're still here Backpacker! :)

Well, I have a LOT of trouble posting here so I can't post often. But, I should clarify that I don't believe I am cured, but I don't believe that it's impossible either. I believe that your mind can make a big difference and if you believe you can't be cured, then you never will be. So, if you want to be the first documented person ever to be comletely cured of herpes, then you have to start with the belief that it can happen. I've done a lot research on this, and when I got into the politics of the situation, that's what inspired me to try this for myself because the information out there is wrong, and excuse me if I can't trust the pharmaceutical corporations. The Thalidomide scandal proved what they were capable of in the name of money, and herpes drugs are among the most profitable of all.

Here's what I know - as soon as I put my trust in the underground, my OBs stopped and never came back. I felt it working, I knew that something good was happening the first week, it was amazing. You could say the OBs could have stopped anyway, it happens often I'm sure. But c'mon, who are you kidding? There are doctors so passionate about oxygen therapies that they are going to jail for practicing it on patients, and then I have this personal experience reinforcing everything they are saying. Coincidence? Maybe, but I'll put my chips on the oxygen therapies, thank you very much! :)

nope...it wasn't backpacker that said it (you're right!)...it was StillHope1. But it was still a really good point!

A lot of these youngsters don't remember thalidomide--it's like ancient history now.

then again...some of us youngsters know thalidomide anyway! recent research is focusing on thalidomides role in treating HIV and other diseases. And if I remember correctly, it acquired FDA approval again in the 90's for leprosy. did some sad and scary stuff to babies though :(

Nonexist -

Nice to see you are still hanging around! Glad to hear you are OB free - what a blessing! I too have been OB free for 2 years now, for totally different reasons than yours. But I wanted to reply, mainly to say hello and to voice my STRONG agreement about the mindset issue. A lot of this rests in our minds (IMHO). I found when I overcame the stigma attached to it, decided it wasn't going to rule my life, etc. My OBs lessened. Then I found the "right" treatment for ME, and they've been gone awhile for me. I wish the same for everyone here - DON'T give up, you'll find what works for you.

Nonexist,

I'm brand new to this site and have ready many of your postings and am truly inspired. Thank you also for sticking around to still help out those of us who are still suffering. I realize everybody responds to each treatment differently and what works for one may not work for someone else.

With that being said, I tried your treatment routine about 6 months ago for 2 months with no success. But when when I was going through the treatment I was also taking Accutane for my acne. I think that may be the reason for no success.

I've studied alot also and read something about PH and being acidic and alkaline and medicine makes one very acidic. Viruses thrive in an acidic environment.

My question for you, if you are still out there, is can you please provide more details on your diet and the exact vitamans and supplements you took while going through this protocal. Where you on any meds, did you avoid all soda, chocolate, preserved food, alcahol etc?

I'm also one of those rare and lucky few who experience constant outbreaks, I suffer almost daily from this virus and ready for battle.

Thank so much for keeping in touch!

I appreciate any and all help you can provide.
:wave:

Congratulations, however, all you can say is that you have been outbreak free for three years. You cannot say that you "completely inactivated the virus". The Herpes virus remains dormant along nerve pathways until something triggers its outbreak. What doctors rely upon are scientific studies done with controls and are reviewed independently. Scientific studies are the ONLY way to state effectiveness of a drug or therapy. Anything else is antecdodal. All drugs and therapies are never 100% certain to work in 100% of the population. That's the nature of the human body. To say that doctors do or don't do something because it would put them out of business is blatently false.

I hope you continue to be herpes free, but your method is not proven. The key to your therapy is as you stated - experimental.

A LOT of treatments are experimental, that's why we have clinical trials. Quick story, I have friend that was diagnosed with lung cancer, he went thru "experimental" treatment. He was completely cured and has been cancer free for almost 4 years now. If you know anything about lung cancer it's one of the very few that people live long lives with. Dont knock it unless you try it man....

I am happy you have found a way to curb or maybe even get rid of your herpes. I have a question....was this an expensive route? Just wondering...

I'm not sure if this is the same oxygen theory that he is talking about but in the book "No More Outbreaks", the author discusses the use of H2O2 and DSMO a lot. I can't remember the author's name but I got the book online through his web site a few years ago. And the treatment is NOT expensive at all. H202 costs so little - and I bought a jar of DSMO almost 3 years ago and still have plenty left after using it on a monthly basis.

Outbreak free for 2 1/2 years and counting after starting a similar protocal.

For those of you who have tried this treatment and say it works...where do I get it????????? I am serious, anything is worth a try, I am taking Valtrex, and I still have an today! None of the Lysine, Garlic and natural cures work for me at all.

I am ready to take the DMSO/Oxygen therapy and now I think of it, I think if makes sense. Has the person who posted this ever thought of starting up their own company? Hey, who knows you could be the next Mdme Curie?

Hmmm ohcanada,
You've got me attention....a-hem, exactly what are you using, how long have you have this.????????????...And perhaps, I need some background.....I rely on acocylvera (sp?), peroxide, aloe vera gel and DMSo - creme, only at "that time of the month"........
Thank-you, -shinyOrn

Hi Shinyornament.

I do use peroxide ( and got that idea from you on a posting over a year ago ) thank you~!!! It definately seems to help me. I take Valtrex during my period because I need to take it. I have a breakout this week which was a pretty bad one, so I had to resort the Valtrex, but I am happy to say that I have decreased my Valtrex a lot and no longer have to take it daily, but rather just when I feel I need to.

I have had herpes going on 3 years. My first year was the worst year ! Unbearable. I decided to go on supressive Valtrex during my 6th month of having herpes, as none of the herbal remedies worked for me and it was interferring with my life in a great way. I am a flight attendant, and have to walk and stand for long hours wearing either pants or pantyhose with my skirt. My outbreaks were so bad, I was constantly booking off of work because I was so irritated, then I would get called in for meetings about attendance, my stress levels would go up and I would have another outbreak.

Therefore, I opted to try the Valtrex supressive therapy and I must say, it helped me a great deal...but not 100%, I still got breakouts, and find I am on breakout about 2 weeks a month.

I did try peroxide....and dab it from a q-tip directly onto the blister....it really zapped the blisters and I am an advocate of it now! I am willing to try anything as I know there is a cure for this! There has to be a cure....I am intersted so feel free to give your suggestions. Thank you so much.

Hi Oh Canada,

I'm right there with you..on a quest for relief and a cure. I realize this condition can't be "cured" but from from reading other experiences on this site it can be permantly suppressed, which is my goal. If I can find a way to alleviate all outbreaks that is as good as a cure to me.

The guy who started this string seems no longer be on here because he has nothing to talk about, no more outbreaks or anything.

There are 2 types of oxygen you can take- SLO, stabilized liquid oxygen and H202, food grade hydrogen peroxide. SLO is much more expensive but safer and H202 is dirt cheap, awful taste, and risky but more effective, from what I've read.
You can do research on the web if you like about both and read nonexists strings on here and he explains exactly how he did his treatment with H202 and DMSO-its pretty interesting stuff.

Hope this helps.
B :bouncing:

Hey what's up? Well, I still haven't had an outbreak that I know of. I forget how long it's been, going on 4 years I think. I was diagnosed by a doctor during a bad primary OB and he gave me Famvir for 7 days, it got worse during that time and continued to get worse after that. I'd get OBs every week, and they'd last 5, 6, even 8 weeks. I was desperate and came upon 'Never an Outbreak', which talked about DMSO and also the importance of certain supplements. Then I hit upon a oral Hydrogen Peroxide therapy and combined everything and launched a major assault on the herpes virus, lol!

I went through some crazy healing reactions, I broke out in acne all over my body, lymph nodes swelled up, my herpes got worse still. But I expected it, and I stuck it out. I had to gradually ween myself off the H2O2, and my symptoms swere getting better, but they weren't gone completely. But even after I stopped they got better and better, and everythign cleared right up.

There, that was the short version of my story - I have a computer now, so I'll be around when i get the time.

Nonexist

Hi Nonexist,

Welcome Back! I have similar symtoms as you mentioned wiht contstant OB's. As soon as one ends another starts. I've been on the assault program for 5 weeks. I'm up to 20 drops of H2O2 and the the spray and DMSO on Ob areas around 2-3 times a day. I've experienced what you mentioned with acne. I've gotten big red, round spots around my body. Never seen anything like it but it doesn't hurt and I'm glad it's there because I know it's a healing reaction. I'm at 5 weeks now and haven't started weening off the H202 yet because I still have some symptoms lingering.

After reading your last post I noticed you still did too even after you stopped everything. So they eventually subsided after you went off the program? Can you please tell me how long it took for them to completely go away? I'm afraid to go off the program until all OB's subside because I don't want to have start all the way back over on another round- as you know drinking this stuff is not easy with the taste and all.

Thanks for all your help.

B

I feel leary of this H202 treatment, it sounds dangerous? Anyone know of anyone getting sick from it. I know herpes sucks but is it so bad we risk poisoning ourselves? At least herpes can't cause liver and kidney problems...can this treatment?

As with many viruses, not just herpes, it's not curable. I think that most of us, that have a normal immune system(or aren't run down), we will find that it's bad at first but then you just have minor OBs and I've even read many times that this virus can burn itself out. I'm keeping my fingers crossed on that one!!!!!

Just be careful!

Yeah, it can be dangerous, if you get it in your eyes it would probably blind you, and it burns skin. But, I was measuring it with a dropper, it has to be extremely diluted. But it's one of those things that definately isn't proven, but I know it made me feel good in a lot of different ways. I was very alert in the morning right from the start, I even noticed my sense of smell came back a little bit because it's always been weak, my mind was sharper at work. I was amazed and I know deep down there is something big to it. I was plagued with herpes right up until i went through the treatments, then never again. It made me a believer, but it's not something I trust enough to do on a regular basis. More research needs to be done, and there's always the liquid oxygen products, but I don't think they are as effective and they are pricey. But they are safe.

Hi Nonexist,

Welcome Back! I have similar symtoms as you mentioned wiht contstant OB's. As soon as one ends another starts. I've been on the assault program for 5 weeks. I'm up to 20 drops of H2O2 and the the spray and DMSO on Ob areas around 2-3 times a day. I've experienced what you mentioned with acne. I've gotten big red, round spots around my body. Never seen anything like it but it doesn't hurt and I'm glad it's there because I know it's a healing reaction. I'm at 5 weeks now and haven't started weening off the H202 yet because I still have some symptoms lingering.

After reading your last post I noticed you still did too even after you stopped everything. So they eventually subsided after you went off the program? Can you please tell me how long it took for them to completely go away? I'm afraid to go off the program until all OB's subside because I don't want to have start all the way back over on another round- as you know drinking this stuff is not easy with the taste and all.

Thanks for all your help.

B

Hi Beth, it was 6 weeks from start to finish, but I didn't make it up to the full 25 drops, it was just too much. I also used double the water or more to dilute it even more so it didn't taste so bad. The symptoms took awhile to go away, I forget exactly how long, 2 or 3 weeks maybe. I thought I might have ruined it by going off of it before all the symptoms went away, but I figured I could always do it again. And if I ever get recurring OBs again I will do it again, but I would modify it a bit.

I really hope this works as well for you, I remember when it got tough to keep going I would tell myself over and over that I had to be 'relentless', that was the word that became kind of like a mantra. My whole life revolved around it, it became an obsession because every waking moment was spent planning around it. I remember how hard it was just to fit it into my schedule, because you have to fast for 4 hours for each dose (3 hours before, 1 after - 12 hours of fasting a day, 8 hours of sleep, only 6 hours to get your nutrition). Near the end I actually removed one dose and increased the drops in the other 2 to even it out. It was a crazy time of my life, but worth it a million times over.

Good luck!

I wasn't referring to getting it in your eyes, I'm asking if drinking this can cause poisoning and/or permanant damage to internal organs?

Well I cant' say that it can't cause any damage, but I was fine. I read a lot of scary stuff about it, and weighed it against the good stuff, and made a decision for myself. When you have 2 sides saying the other side is wrong, you just have to read everything you can, pro and con, and make a decision. I have always followed the underground, and I believe that gov't and pharaceuticals know that this is an effective treatment that jeopardizes the insane profits they make from herpes drugs. Just like we go to war and kill thousands of innocent people for oil, we also let millions of people suffer and die needlessly for the sake of profit. In order to really get to a place where you're comfortable with radical alternative treatments, you have to decide how much you trust the information you receive. I don't trust the media, or the gov't, I even believe that medical students are taught wrong information deliberately so that they will more inclined to write prescriptions. The prescription drug use in North America is a million times bigger problem than illegal drug use ever was.

I read that oral H2O2 could cause permanent damage, but this information always came from the sources that I don't trust, those who have something to gain from spreading this information. In the end though, it was a leap of faith, and I'm very glad I made the decision to try it. All i can say is research research research, it's hard to find the real information, it's never on the first page of a web browser search, that's for sure.

Nonexist...when you brought the prescription drugs into it, I started to then think about all the possible side effects from taking what we are lead to believe is safe(prescription drugs). I guess I wasn't thinking about that because I'm so anti prescription drugs and unless my life was in danger, I'm not taking anything! Even with herpes, I'm going to just try and let nature take it's course but I'm not having such a bad time of it either to be desperate...I admit that after the first OB being so horrible, I was feeling pretty desperate but since that finally ran it's course, I feel good now...not 100% better though but not bad enough to take a risk.

Back to prescription drugs...jeez, listen to the possible side effects of these drugs, it's enough to curl your hair!!!!!! Many drugs that people are taking and thinking nothing of can cause liver damage...last time I checked, the liver was a pretty handy organ to have around :rolleyes: Personally I believe that there's such a monopoly(if that's the right term?) out there with the drug companies that I'm not so sure any disease will ever be cured again. If they cure the disease, how are the drug companies, and the doctors for that matter, going to get rich? There is much more profit in treating than curing...right! I don't know who all here are living in the USA, but our medical situation here is so out of control with the costs of treatments and lack of medical insurance. :eek: It's a sad sad situation here! :confused:

Yes, I totally agree!! 30 years ago here in Canada we had a very good health care system, but it's gotten ot the point of crisis since then. We've been electing the most right-wing, capitalist governments for years now, even though there are great alternatives like the New Democratic Party (where our great medicare system came from in the 60s), The Marijuana Party (lol, yup), and the Green Party (evironmentalists). At least basic health care is still free for all, but we have to pay for the prescriptions that they're getting people hooked on and not providing any way of helping them pay for it.

But back to herpes, I eventually came to terms with it also. I'm prepared for an OB at any time...I think,lol. I've read that the H2O2 was a complete cure, you would actually test negative with a blood test. I'm not so sure I believe that, but I'm open to it, even if it is just for psychological purposes, lol.

Hi Nonexist,

Thank you for the encouragement. I know exactly what you mean about the disruptive schedule. You have to stay on a strict eating schedule on this regimine because you're constantly preparing for that next dose. No snacking in between meals and that is hard for me.

It sounds like you found some great information along the way- did you do all of your research on the Web? I never read about it curing, although I belive in the possibility, just successfully treating. That would be cool if your blood test turned negative. If you decide to get it done please share the news.

Btw, Did you take cat's claw or any supplements during your treatment and did you exercise? I read never an outbreak and it said no exercise so I haven't been active while going through this. Not sure if that is good or not.

Beth