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Moderator BAC
06-01-2005, 01:50 PM
Bad Breath has changed my personality: Part 5 is continued here.

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ShroudedInMist
06-01-2005, 02:38 PM
Another new thread... Perhaps we will figure out something new.

My nose has been blocked for over a month now due to allergies. It is actually not too bad to smell so little, atleast I don't smell my own bb. But I know it is there. Every once in a while I taste something evil lurking in the dephts of my throat.

sartor
06-01-2005, 03:22 PM
A question to all...(please take time to answer - would greatly appreciate it!)

I was wandering whether you have found in your experience that other peoples' mouths generally have their own characteristic odour (not neccessarily strong or offensive) which can be sensed on their breath at very close quarters?

People who have managed to forge relationships will probably be best placed to answer this one, but everyone's views would be greatly appreciated.

Sartor

chloe_123
06-01-2005, 04:24 PM
Sartor,
I have not noticed any odour of any kind, for my husband or my daughter. Their breath doesn't smell like anything.

chloe_123
06-01-2005, 04:30 PM
About three weeks ago I finished my last bottle of probiotics. I had been on them since February. I thought I had taken enough and my flora should be just fine. But, I had the worst bb last week - lots of reactions. I can't think of anything else that changed. I've been on a very healthy diet and all was looking good. What do you think? Could it be Candida? I've started another bottle of probiotics and hopefully I'll improve again.
I'm also going to do a colon cleanse in about two weeks.

ShroudedInMist
06-01-2005, 04:48 PM
Sartor,

I have noticed that. I think everyone has some sort of personal smell on their breath. That's not necessarily bad. I have met people who have had a nice-smelling breath... I don't know if this was helpful though :rolleyes:

Keep your spirits high :wave:

lucky59
06-01-2005, 07:11 PM
Could it be Candida?
I'm also going to do a colon cleanse in about two weeks.

Chloe, have you considered that maybe there's nothing wrong with you? That most of us with bb are just different for one reason or another.

In support of this view it seems that the vast majority of sufferers have not reported complete success with 'internal cleanses', change of diet, etc. And some people will suffer from bb for a life time with no physical ill-effects! (There may be many reasons why a change of diet gives partial success.)

If it was the case that there's nothing wrong with us then our challenge is two-fold I think.

1. To control the bb as best we can.
2. To control or manage our minds around this issue. As someone else pointed out, the title of this thread is very apt. One of the beliefs that has probably got us is that There is something wrong with me.

Such a belief even in our subconscious is likely to be very damaging. Maybe our challenge is to let go of such a belief and start believing that I am OK as I am. Or something like it.

Best wishes, lucky.

chloe_123
06-02-2005, 02:50 PM
Lucky, thank you for reminding me that there is more then this bb. It's so funny how far into a depressive hole I can fall into when I get bad reactions from my bb, I forget about everything else. Your message woke me up again - thanks. I'm really starting to believe my emotions play a part in my bb. For example I was really depressed the week my bb was really bad. I'm having some highs and lows lately emotionally and I think I need to work on that and forget about my bb for awhile.

Garrett123
06-02-2005, 03:13 PM
lucky you are right in some ways and there is more to life than having this handicap.
my belief is there is something wrong with us, or else we'd be like 90% of the rest of the world how has fresh b. or situational b. our chemical and physiological make-up is lacking something, even though for the most part we are healthy. Sorry to be a drag, but comments over the years have made me jaded. I wish my mind/emotions had where I could just get on with it, but i can't believe how I have changed over 10 yrs going on 11. i sometimes think of who i would be without this handicap. blah blah blah... :yawn:

chloe, i relate to the emotional rollercoaster. I just started prozac, and its helping me already. i was in a deep hole. still am, but coping alot better now. chloe, take a vacation with your family. traveling does wonders for well-being. travel is an escape for the normal day, where bb tend to huant us. when you come back you are refreshed ( even though the bb may not be ) sorry for the bad joke, I am so synical.

like lucky said, managing it is all i ask and strive for. i think we as humans are built with an endless hope, and I won't quit searching for something that works 99.9% for me.

Has anyone tried rinsing with the warm salt water as a mouthwash? its supposed to regulate ph in your mouth. I know its not working 100% but i feel it does something in there. Let me know if anyone has given it a shot.

anyone else trying anything new these days?
thana- still on your diet of little protein?
denny, have you taken the ph buffer and what do you think? how have you been?

lucky59
06-02-2005, 04:18 PM
Lucky, thank you for reminding me that there is more than this bb. Your message woke me up again - thanks.

You're welcome Chloe.

Garrett123
06-02-2005, 04:25 PM
Sartor-

I don't notice other smells on people coming from the mouth area ( unless they have the dreaded bb like me ) which there are a few in my office that do.
But most people I smell nothing when they talk. As for my girlfriend- who I get a close smell of her, she never has bb. NEVER. Even after a night of Italian food, a bottle of wine, and not brushing her teeth. I am jealous sometimes, but alas, she is perfect and i love her for loving me with the dark cloud. I never show her how down I am inside. becasue when I am with her I am at my happiest.

hope that helps as well in some way.

lucky59
06-02-2005, 04:31 PM
my belief is there is something wrong with us.... I just started prozac, and its helping me already.

Hi Garrett, partner!

I'm glad that the prozac is working for you. Good for you.

I suggest that the belief There is something wrong with me is both false and destructive.

The word wrong is so loaded with judgement. And 'put down'. I suggest there isn't anything wrong with you even if you are right and there is a real clinical reason for your bb that can eventually be 'cured'.

But I also think that holding the belief There is something wrong with me in your mind will cause you untold harm.

It is a challenge for sure, but I think that it's important to rid ourselves as best we can, of such destructive beliefs and replace them with some that serve us better.

Best wishes, lucky.

blase2
06-02-2005, 06:46 PM
About three weeks ago I finished my last bottle of probiotics. I had been on them since February. I thought I had taken enough and my flora should be just fine. But, I had the worst bb last week - lots of reactions. I can't think of anything else that changed. I've been on a very healthy diet and all was looking good. What do you think? Could it be Candida? I've started another bottle of probiotics and hopefully I'll improve again.
I'm also going to do a colon cleanse in about two weeks.

It's a waste of money and time IMO. In my case anything you try relating to digestion like colon cleansing with oxy powder or probiotics or chinese bitters or HCL or even B-complex makes BB really bad. It returns to normal (not that bad) when you discontinue.

if you have to do something then oxy powder cleanse is preferable.

blase2
06-02-2005, 06:50 PM
Chloe, have you considered that maybe there's nothing wrong with you? That most of us with bb are just different for one reason or another.

In support of this view it seems that the vast majority of sufferers have not reported complete success with 'internal cleanses', change of diet, etc. And some people will suffer from bb for a life time with no physical ill-effects! (There may be many reasons why a change of diet gives partial success.)

If it was the case that there's nothing wrong with us then our challenge is two-fold I think.

1. To control the bb as best we can.
2. To control or manage our minds around this issue. As someone else pointed out, the title of this thread is very apt. One of the beliefs that has probably got us is that There is something wrong with me.

Such a belief even in our subconscious is likely to be very damaging. Maybe our challenge is to let go of such a belief and start believing that I am OK as I am. Or something like it.

Best wishes, lucky.


Very wisely put, Lucky. As my psychic said - the answer is within yourself. I'm OK as I am but these people I'm around make my life hell.

blase2
06-02-2005, 06:58 PM
Sartor-

I don't notice other smells on people coming from the mouth area ( unless they have the dreaded bb like me ) which there are a few in my office that do.
But most people I smell nothing when they talk. As for my girlfriend- who I get a close smell of her, she never has bb. NEVER. Even after a night of Italian food, a bottle of wine, and not brushing her teeth. I am jealous sometimes, but alas, she is perfect and i love her for loving me with the dark cloud. I never show her how down I am inside. becasue when I am with her I am at my happiest.

hope that helps as well in some way.

It's funny Garrett - I can't even find one person who smells bad in my office. Well all I can say is she is lucky and you are the luckiest guy for having a GF that keeps you in high spirits.

blase2
06-02-2005, 07:01 PM
Where is my girl Denny? She keeps me in high spirits ;-) keep posting ..

proteome
06-05-2005, 05:57 AM
New observation: strenuous activity that causes me to sweat very profusely appears to relieve me of bad breath for about 12 hours, independent of what I do afterwards. Of course having done this three times last week, I haven't been able to move my body. I'll stick with the bad breath for now :)

Maybe those posts about removing internal toxins have something to them after all?

garfiola
06-05-2005, 10:49 PM
seeker come on

post again, u are the one that made me do these cleanse stuff

give advices please, help

Garrett123
06-06-2005, 09:45 AM
Hey Lucky, whats up dude?
Good to hear you have been having success with the zinc gel... is there any way to just buy the gel alone without the tung brush? Its such a little tub they give you.

I am having decent results with warm salt water mouth wash.

Proteme- I agree with the sweating. I feel like I get all the toxins out as well. Even if I sit at the beach as opposed to working it out... I am bb free I feel. Replenishing with drinking alot of water helps too.

Maybe going to the sauna on the days off of a vigorous workout would help. I don't think my gym has one. but I will look into it.

how is everyone else doing?

LOtRsfan
06-06-2005, 12:01 PM
Sartor,

I have noticed that. I think everyone has some sort of personal smell on their breath. That's not necessarily bad. I have met people who have had a nice-smelling breath... I don't know if this was helpful though :rolleyes:

Keep your spirits high :wave:

yea, i've too noticed this...i wonder how people keep their breath smelling fresh tho...maybe they keep spraying a breath spray in their mouths when we don't notice...

lucky59
06-06-2005, 06:53 PM
zinc gel... is there any way to just buy the gel alone without the tung brush? Its such a little tub they give you.



Hi G. Yes there is. The little tube you got with your brush was just a sample. You can buy a big tube of the stuff for much the same price as the brush.

I'm interested as to how you get on with it using it frequently through the day. Does the fact that we had a similar response to ClO2 mean we'll have the same with tung gel?

Best wishes, lucky.

ps How are you in yourself?

littlelonestar
06-07-2005, 09:59 PM
Where can you buy the zinc gel? I would like to try it also.

I know that your mood has something to do with the way your breath smells.

Since I have been practicing ways to reduce stress; I have noticed that my breath is not as bad as it use to be.The Bible also talks about that subject as well. If you think negative thoughts you are only bringing negativity into your life. So when we stress over this all the time we are only making things worse.

:angel:

Garrett123
06-08-2005, 10:25 AM
Lucky- I am doing ok, I don't think about it AS much, but its still on my mind. Prozac does help me, I would recommend it to anyone who is struggling with emotion/effects of bb.
Sounds as if you are having good results with the zinc gel. I am going to order some, as my little tube is gone.

I was wondering, do you think there is a type of mouthwash with zinc in it that would have the same effects as the gel? Does anyone take zinc supplements regularly? I took one on an empty stomach and threw up all day. Nice, I know!
Has anyone heard the phrase, "Take Zinc, Don't Stink"

Littlelonestar- I hear ya, when I was at the beach last weekend with friends, I felt relaxed and got no comments... I was also sweating out toxins, and out in the open air where my bb couldn't be detected as easy.
What are some ways you are relieving stress and relaxing?

blase2
06-08-2005, 02:05 PM
Lucky- I am doing ok, I don't think about it AS much, but its still on my mind. Prozac does help me, I would recommend it to anyone who is struggling with emotion/effects of bb.
Sounds as if you are having good results with the zinc gel. I am going to order some, as my little tube is gone.

I was wondering, do you think there is a type of mouthwash with zinc in it that would have the same effects as the gel? Does anyone take zinc supplements regularly? I took one on an empty stomach and threw up all day. Nice, I know!
Has anyone heard the phrase, "Take Zinc, Don't Stink"

Littlelonestar- I hear ya, when I was at the beach last weekend with friends, I felt relaxed and got no comments... I was also sweating out toxins, and out in the open air where my bb couldn't be detected as easy.
What are some ways you are relieving stress and relaxing?



The effect of zinc gel will last for 7-8 days and then you'll be back where you started. Initial results are positive but observe what happens after 7-8 days.

kimberley35
06-09-2005, 12:15 AM
Hi Everyone,

I just wanted to say that I suffered from bad breath for a long time. I didn't know why. I tried everything. I was getting those nasty white things stuck in my tonsils, and even when I took them out, my breath still stunk. I was constantly sucking on Altoids, chewing gum...not getting close to anyone to talk, I was so self conscious. I finally got my tonsils taken out. And ever since then, I don't suffer from those white stones in my throat, and my breath smells natural...as long as I don't eat onions and garlic and all that.

The sad thing was, I would eat onions and garlic just so it would reek of that rather than my own bad breath.

Just thought I would share that with you all.

(((ECHO)))
06-09-2005, 05:41 AM
The effect of zinc gel will last for 7-8 days and then you'll be back where you started. Initial results are positive but observe what happens after 7-8 days.

Hi Blase,

What do you mean? If I use the zinc gel, I will only notice a positive effect for the first 7-8 days only, my breath will start to smell bad after those days, it doesnt matter if I keep using it after those 8 days?

littlelonestar
06-09-2005, 04:40 PM
Littlelonestar- I hear ya, when I was at the beach last weekend with friends, I felt relaxed and got no comments... I was also sweating out toxins, and out in the open air where my bb couldn't be detected as easy.
What are some ways you are relieving stress and relaxing?


Right now I am just exercising and trying to get the proper amount of sleep each day. I read that exercise really helps relieve stress. Laughing also helps to get rid of stress as well. So, I like to watch the comedy network, it always cracks me up and I release tension. I also take B-12; I read that this vitamin helps give people more energy.

When I have the blues I also read my Bible that really lifts my spirits or I like to watch sermons on TBN. TV Programs on TBN always speak to my heart and make me feel better. I also have increased my prayer life and that has also made me feel better.

sartor
06-09-2005, 06:09 PM
A note to Kimberley35:-

Your story sounds very interesting. My bad breath seems to be at its worst when I have noticable formations in my tonsil crypts. Furthermore, the odour is reduced by cleaning the tonsils of these foul smelling substances.

Just a couple of questions about your story:

1. Did people tell you that your breath was bad before you had your tonsils removed?

How was it described as smelling? e.g. Sour, Bitter

2. Have you had it confimed by another person that your breath no longer smells?

3. Finally, when you had your tonsils and your breath was bad, did you have any other symptoms such as white tongue coating or bad taste?

If these symptoms were present alongside bad breath, have they now diminished/disappeared since you've had your tonsils removed?

Many thanks,

Sartor

blase2
06-09-2005, 07:46 PM
Hi Blase,

What do you mean? If I use the zinc gel, I will only notice a positive effect for the first 7-8 days only, my breath will start to smell bad after those days, it doesnt matter if I keep using it after those 8 days?

That's right Echo. After 7-8 days - it is as good as not using it. These days i just tung brush with my clo2 toothpaste.

blase2
06-09-2005, 07:50 PM
Hi Everyone,

I just wanted to say that I suffered from bad breath for a long time. I didn't know why. I tried everything. I was getting those nasty white things stuck in my tonsils, and even when I took them out, my breath still stunk. I was constantly sucking on Altoids, chewing gum...not getting close to anyone to talk, I was so self conscious. I finally got my tonsils taken out. And ever since then, I don't suffer from those white stones in my throat, and my breath smells natural...as long as I don't eat onions and garlic and all that.

The sad thing was, I would eat onions and garlic just so it would reek of that rather than my own bad breath.

Just thought I would share that with you all.

I just love onions. What would be life without onions - fried onions mmm. I can imagine tonsiloliths/heavy pnd mixed with onion and garlic - ugh! You did the right thing by getting tonsils out. I got mine laser zapped a while ago. Thank god for that. Still not BB free but some relief anyway.

blase2
06-09-2005, 07:53 PM
Right now I am just exercising and trying to get the proper amount of sleep each day. I read that exercise really helps relieve stress. Laughing also helps to get rid of stress as well. So, I like to watch the comedy network, it always cracks me up and I release tension. I also take B-12; I read that this vitamin helps give people more energy.

When I have the blues I also read my Bible that really lifts my spirits or I like to watch sermons on TBN. TV Programs on TBN always speak to my heart and make me feel better. I also have increased my prayer life and that has also made me feel better.


i take it you are a very religius person Littlelonestar. B-12 ? That stuff makes my breath baaad and urine yellow. I can't stand it. Do you notice any strange kind of dryness after taking B-12?

lucky59
06-10-2005, 05:52 AM
I was wondering, do you think there is a type of mouthwash with zinc in it that would have the same effects as the gel? Does anyone take zinc supplements regularly?



Garrett, glad to hear you're doing better in yourself.

Re zinc mouthwash, I don't know if there are any mouthwash products out there with zinc but my guess is that part of the success I've been having is down to the brush really getting deep into the tongue's surface.

And yes, I have been taking a wide spectrum of supplements including zinc for many years without any noticeable improvement in bb.

lucky.

lucky59
06-10-2005, 06:01 AM
The effect of zinc gel will last for 7-8 days and then you'll be back where you started. Initial results are positive but observe what happens after 7-8 days.

Hi blase, I couldn't remember who posted some time ago that their experience with the tung brush and gel had been disappointing. Now I realize it was you!

This hasn't been my experience. I have been using it frequently throughout the day, perhaps every four hours for a couple of months now. And in that way I can maintain a fresh feeling pretty much through the day. My girlfriend has not mentioned my breath in all that time.

On the negative side, I think that if I get it too far back in my throat it can act as an irritant and it feels like I have a sore throat for a while.

Best wishes, lucky.

littlelonestar
06-10-2005, 02:16 PM
i take it you are a very religius person Littlelonestar. B-12 ? That stuff makes my breath baaad and urine yellow. I can't stand it. Do you notice any strange kind of dryness after taking B-12?

Yes, I am devoted to teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ and teaching others about the future state of our world according to prophecies in the Bible. I plan to go to seminary in the next couple of years and work in children's ministries. Right now I am not going to let bb stop me from doing anything that I want to do. :angel:

No, I did not have any type of dryness after taking B-12. I know that my energy level increased after taking it. I have so many things to do, that sometimes I get drained, and I need something to pick me up so I take B-12. So Blase where did you buy the zinc tongue gel again? Do you think this product really works?

panaSONIQUE
06-10-2005, 05:18 PM
Hello everyone
I posted my own thread, and then found this one, but I have a question, and I cannot seem to find it through this thread.
What is a good diet for banishing bb? I've had this problem for the past 6 months, and i've tried a few things, except a diet/cleansing etc
I think i've tried a product called therabreath, but i just ended up giving up hope
If anyone can give me diet advice, that would be great
Thank youuu!

blase2
06-10-2005, 06:20 PM
Hi blase, I couldn't remember who posted some time ago that their experience with the tung brush and gel had been disappointing. Now I realize it was you!

This hasn't been my experience. I have been using it frequently throughout the day, perhaps every four hours for a couple of months now. And in that way I can maintain a fresh feeling pretty much through the day. My girlfriend has not mentioned my breath in all that time.

On the negative side, I think that if I get it too far back in my throat it can act as an irritant and it feels like I have a sore throat for a while.

Best wishes, lucky.

Lucks,

I still use the tung brush - it's great. I had good results with tung gel lasting for more than 7-8 hours for the first couple of days. But then its effect wore off as days passed and then i discontinued. These days I just tung brush with leftover clo2 toothpaste. Human mouth is weird! I'll try starting it
again - still have a tubeful left.

Re zinc in mouthwash - Tri oral and Thera+ both have zinc. Both useless IMO.

blase2
06-10-2005, 06:26 PM
So Blase where did you buy the zinc tongue gel again? Do you think this product really works?

Well I live in the UK and you can get it online. Just search using your search engine - there should be plenty of online shops selling in your country. It is called "tung gel".

Well I don't know. Lucky has had good results but I didn't. Try it .. it's not expensive. Alternatively if you buy tung brush - it ships with a sample tung gel anyway.

blase2
06-10-2005, 06:37 PM
Hello everyone
I posted my own thread, and then found this one, but I have a question, and I cannot seem to find it through this thread.
What is a good diet for banishing bb? I've had this problem for the past 6 months, and i've tried a few things, except a diet/cleansing etc
I think i've tried a product called therabreath, but i just ended up giving up hope
If anyone can give me diet advice, that would be great
Thank youuu!

Just six months? You should be able to beat BB without too much effort. It must be caused by some food you are intolerant towards - elimination diet is the only way. There have been quite a few posts on diet but you may not be able to find it as we are on Part 6 now. In summary:

1) Become a veggie
2) No dairy
3) No tea, coffee
4) No sugar
5) No processed foods. Prepare your own.
6) No fruit juice, soda, coke, soft drinks
7) No Alcohol
8) No meat, fish etc.

1) Plenty of fruits esp. Apple, Pear, Watermelon, oranges and fresh pineapple
2) Plenty of vegetables. (include spinach and broccoli every other day)
3) rice is ok
4) Wheat if you can tolerate it.
5) Use dairy free spread
6) Lentils etc. is fine

Once you are on this diet, try introducing offending foods one by one slowly and see which one triggers BB. Avoid eating that food.

if you can't be arsed to do all of the above then try cutting out just dairy and meat completely. it might be your quick answer.

Good Luck.

desperadoz
06-11-2005, 06:21 PM
Hi Blase,

Thanks a lot for ur recommendations, i'm very desperate because i can't even aplly for a job because of halitosis. So, i've decided to try ur diet suggestions. However, as u have said, dairy should be avoided. But what about yoghurt? Some people assert that it is helpful to beat bb. And i've been eating pure yoghurt with probiotics, do u think that i should also avoid that? And what about macaroni? Can i eat spaghetti but without any meat or sauce in it?
Do u also recommend "cleansing"? What's the best way to start a cleansing please?
Thank you very much.

desperadoz
06-11-2005, 06:23 PM
Oops, sorry, i forgot. I eat toasted sandwich with cheese every morning, is it also bad?

ShroudedInMist
06-12-2005, 10:29 AM
desperadoz,

you could search for the posts "Seeker" has written. Natural yoghurt might be helpful... You should try to eat veggies and fruits etc. I'm sure there are jobs you could apply too, cheer up buddy. :wave:

There haven't been too much messages lately. Maybe people think it is better to ignore this whole 'kin bb. You could be right there. When you don't think about it, the mouth feels cleaner, I believe. It might be stress that increases this problem..

:confused:

blase2
06-12-2005, 01:37 PM
Hi Blase,

Thanks a lot for ur recommendations, i'm very desperate because i can't even aplly for a job because of halitosis. So, i've decided to try ur diet suggestions. However, as u have said, dairy should be avoided. But what about yoghurt? Some people assert that it is helpful to beat bb. And i've been eating pure yoghurt with probiotics, do u think that i should also avoid that? And what about macaroni? Can i eat spaghetti but without any meat or sauce in it?
Do u also recommend "cleansing"? What's the best way to start a cleansing please?
Thank you very much.

Anything milk related incl. Yoghurt. I know there was a study conducted on the effect of yoghurt on BB but in my five years of thying to beat BB - I've found yoghurt particularly bad esp. when you have PND. Also all these probiotic/prebiotic hype is rubbish.

macaroni? cheese? - you've got to be joking man. Anything made from milk should be avoided.Cheese/butter is particularly bad for BB.

If you can include an oxy powder colon cleanse then it is sufficient. No point getting into that liver flush crap. In my five years of trying I've met only two people who claim to have been cured of BB with liver flush. With just six months of BB, you'd do well to stick to a good diet.

Think eating raw or boiled veggies. Think salad sandwiches without any mayo or butter or cheese or meat etc. Dairy free spread is fine. Soya (chunks/sausages) is fine if you can tolerate it. No pizzas, colas, soft drinks .. drink pure water and lots. No tea coffee. No cheating! Once again prepare your own food so that you know what you are adding.

once you start experimenting the you'll be able to work out what you can and cannot eat. Exercise at least twice a week.

Diet should be able to bring your BB down and give you confidence to attend interviews. Chin up! It is hard if you're very young but look at the brighter side - you'll spend less on food!!

If you have to drink alcohol, drink the ones that is served with lime like corona beer in moderation of course.

desperadoz
06-12-2005, 02:06 PM
oh Blase, thanx a lot for your help, you are my man:) I've been reading all of ur posts and i have to say that i've learnt a lot. I've decided to give this diet a shot, i know it is a tough process but i've just graduated from the uni and i have to get rid of this problem to be confident in the job interviews. Last week I had one and it was like hell :(
I won't eat cheese but what about macaroni? Is eating sphagetti without meat or sauce bad for bb? And there r some veggie pizzas in the market, can i still have them, or still forbidden :nono:
Finally, sometimes i eat eggs but cooked with olive oil, is it also bad?
I'm terribly sorry for taking ur time but i'm serious about starting to this diet and i rely on ur advices. Thanks a lot.

P.S: I also want to try Oxy-Powder, i've checked the website and i think it is available in the US, but i live in Germany so maybe there is another web page that is selling this powder, i just wanted to ask. Thanks again. :wave:


Anything milk related incl. Yoghurt. I know there was a study conducted on the effect of yoghurt on BB but in my five years of thying to beat BB - I've found yoghurt particularly bad esp. when you have PND. Also all these probiotic/prebiotic hype is rubbish.

macaroni? cheese? - you've got to be joking man. Anything made from milk should be avoided.Cheese/butter is particularly bad for BB.

If you can include an oxy powder colon cleanse then it is sufficient. No point getting into that liver flush crap. In my five years of trying I've met only two people who claim to have been cured of BB with liver flush. With just six months of BB, you'd do well to stick to a good diet.

Think eating raw or boiled veggies. Think salad sandwiches without any mayo or butter or cheese or meat etc. Dairy free spread is fine. Soya (chunks/sausages) is fine if you can tolerate it. No pizzas, colas, soft drinks .. drink pure water and lots. No tea coffee. No cheating! Once again prepare your own food so that you know what you are adding.

once you start experimenting the you'll be able to work out what you can and cannot eat. Exercise at least twice a week.

Diet should be able to bring your BB down and give you confidence to attend interviews. Chin up! It is hard if you're very young but look at the brighter side - you'll spend less on food!!

If you have to drink alcohol, drink the ones that is served with lime like corona beer in moderation of course.

blase2
06-14-2005, 05:23 PM
oh Blase, thanx a lot for your help, you are my man:) I've been reading all of ur posts and i have to say that i've learnt a lot. I've decided to give this diet a shot, i know it is a tough process but i've just graduated from the uni and i have to get rid of this problem to be confident in the job interviews. Last week I had one and it was like hell :(
I won't eat cheese but what about macaroni? Is eating sphagetti without meat or sauce bad for bb? And there r some veggie pizzas in the market, can i still have them, or still forbidden :nono:
Finally, sometimes i eat eggs but cooked with olive oil, is it also bad?
I'm terribly sorry for taking ur time but i'm serious about starting to this diet and i rely on ur advices. Thanks a lot.

P.S: I also want to try Oxy-Powder, i've checked the website and i think it is available in the US, but i live in Germany so maybe there is another web page that is selling this powder, i just wanted to ask. Thanks again. :wave:

You wuld do well to avoid eggs in the beginning.Well macaroni is wheat isn't it? So it should be OK but careful about the sauces.
White flour is bad - pizzas, white bread etc. Brown bread and Brown baps is what you should be aiming for. Forget pizza .. No prepared stuff from the market. Prepare your own food.

You should be able to get Oxy powder there. note that your breath will become pretty bad during the cleanse.

(((ECHO)))
06-14-2005, 08:56 PM
Hi everyone.

Like I said before, I've had the bad breath problem since I was 7 years old and I'm now 21. The problem I have is that my saliva is very very thick, my tounge is hairy and white, I always feel really bad smell/taste in my sinus, but I very rarely have tonsil stones, and if there are any, they are very tiny. I have tried a lot of things, like Hydrogen Peroxide, Therabreath, Tung Gel, Zinc and sinus medication, but nothing has worked. I never knew what caused my problems, but i think I do now.

When I was 7 years old I had an accident and injured my left leg's Achilles tendon and had to have a surgery. After the surgery I was hospitalized for about 2 months and was given tons of medication because my leg developed a very strong infection. My leg is perfect now, but since then I have BB problems.

What should I do now? a colon cleanse with Oxy-Powder and take latero flora probotics? I have no idea. Please help, the best years of my life are gone now, and I don't want to be like this for the rest of my life.

I apolagize for my bad writing. English is my second language.

Thanatos86
06-15-2005, 08:24 PM
Blase, I'm begining to think that the yogurt study was just a scam. The study was conducted by Japanese researchers and funded by a Japanese Yogurt company.

The yogurt maker that helped fund the study hopes to make its product commercially available this fall.

ShroudedInMist
06-16-2005, 11:31 AM
Oh man, those Japanese yoghurt dudes really tricked us. And I ate that crappy-tasting yoghurt for almost two months. :bouncing: Should I ever encounter those little villains, I would surely teach them some manners :nono: I'm still glad you told us, Thanatos.

How is it going everybody? You're all enjoying summer?

desperadoz
06-16-2005, 02:59 PM
Blase thanx again,
I've just ordered Oxy-powder and i hope it works for me..
I'm doing good with my diet, no pizzas, no meat, no dairy and low sugar. Thanks Blase, now i really feel better and i hope all of us will beat this halitosis one day.
Yes, macaroni is made of wheat so no need to avoid, great :bouncing: but having breakfast with this strict diet is too difficult, i can only eat fruit or tomatos because no dairy means no cereals and no toasted sandwiches with cheese. i was planning to eat eggs for the breakfast but as u said i have to avoid it too, is it a must Blase?
good luck everyone..

You wuld do well to avoid eggs in the beginning.Well macaroni is wheat isn't it? So it should be OK but careful about the sauces.
White flour is bad - pizzas, white bread etc. Brown bread and Brown baps is what you should be aiming for. Forget pizza .. No prepared stuff from the market. Prepare your own food.

You should be able to get Oxy powder there. note that your breath will become pretty bad during the cleanse.

panaSONIQUE
06-16-2005, 04:18 PM
Ive started today and it's a little hard so far. I love bagels and I love cheese,but one of my coworkers made a really mean comment. I was making a coffee, and she said "ew, how can you drink that? how do you get rid of coffee breath?" then she said "hey dont you get bb from drinking coffee?" and i went out the door and ignored her, and once more she asked me what i do for bb. It was a nice motivation though to start this diet. I'm drinking lots of water today, and I exerscised. Can you eat fish on the diet??

blase2
06-16-2005, 05:19 PM
Hi everyone.

Like I said before, I've had the bad breath problem since I was 7 years old and I'm now 21. The problem I have is that my saliva is very very thick, my tounge is hairy and white, I always feel really bad smell/taste in my sinus, but I very rarely have tonsil stones, and if there are any, they are very tiny. I have tried a lot of things, like Hydrogen Peroxide, Therabreath, Tung Gel, Zinc and sinus medication, but nothing has worked. I never knew what caused my problems, but i think I do now.

When I was 7 years old I had an accident and injured my left leg's Achilles tendon and had to have a surgery. After the surgery I was hospitalized for about 2 months and was given tons of medication because my leg developed a very strong infection. My leg is perfect now, but since then I have BB problems.

What should I do now? a colon cleanse with Oxy-Powder and take latero flora probotics? I have no idea. Please help, the best years of my life are gone now, and I don't want to be like this for the rest of my life.

I apolagize for my bad writing. English is my second language.


Your best years are about to begin! You're only 21 for crying out loud. Wait till you reach 30 ...
Anti biotics .. maybe they ruined your healthy bacterial flora. You'll have to change your diet I'm afraid. Yeah throw in a Oxy powder cleanse .. it won't cure your BB but will ensure that your intestines are cleared of toxins. You can try probiotics - how many actually end up in the intestines has always been a question mark.

blase2
06-16-2005, 05:20 PM
Blase, I'm begining to think that the yogurt study was just a scam. The study was conducted by Japanese researchers and funded by a Japanese Yogurt company.

The yogurt maker that helped fund the study hopes to make its product commercially available this fall.

Than,

I never believed that study. Yoghurt has always made my bb really bad. I just stay away from it.

blase2
06-16-2005, 05:26 PM
Blase thanx again,
I've just ordered Oxy-powder and i hope it works for me..
I'm doing good with my diet, no pizzas, no meat, no dairy and low sugar. Thanks Blase, now i really feel better and i hope all of us will beat this halitosis one day.
Yes, macaroni is made of wheat so no need to avoid, great :bouncing: but having breakfast with this strict diet is too difficult, i can only eat fruit or tomatos because no dairy means no cereals and no toasted sandwiches with cheese. i was planning to eat eggs for the breakfast but as u said i have to avoid it too, is it a must Blase?
good luck everyone..

Try also making that low sugar to no sugar.Yes Breakfast is a bit of a pain. But if you consider breakfast to be just another meal and eat a light sandwich with a fruit. Thanatos is into oatmeal .. see if you can tolerate it. You can eat a toast but not cheese... toast wth a dairy free spead is fine. I'm afraid you'll have to avoid eggs. Once you're on this diet for a month or so.. then try introducing eggs and see if it makes it worse.

blase2
06-16-2005, 05:33 PM
Ive started today and it's a little hard so far. I love bagels and I love cheese,but one of my coworkers made a really mean comment. I was making a coffee, and she said "ew, how can you drink that? how do you get rid of coffee breath?" then she said "hey dont you get bb from drinking coffee?" and i went out the door and ignored her, and once more she asked me what i do for bb. It was a nice motivation though to start this diet. I'm drinking lots of water today, and I exerscised. Can you eat fish on the diet??

I just hate those kind of people who keep pestering you even when you know you have BB. Fish is a no no and stay a mile away from tea, coffee, meat, fish, cheese, all dairy, yoghurt, fruit juice, Eggs and sugar.

lucky59
06-17-2005, 04:23 AM
Fish is a no no and stay a mile away from ..... meat, fish, cheese, all dairy, yoghurt...... Eggs.....

Hi Blase, such a diet, vegan will not supply vitamin B12. So you'd need to take it in supplement form or in a fortified product.

As I've pointed out before, there are two main schools of thought on this thread (and in life generally).

1. Holistic.
2. Local.

1. The holistic approach to bb suggests that we have bb because the body is somehow out of whack. It's so full of toxins etc that we exude bb as a symptom of the mess inside us. And the solution is to somehow get the body back on track, by detoxifying, internal cleansing, supplying a broad spectrum of vitamins and minerals to fill any 'gaps', etc.

I have some sympathy with this outlook. But only some. I am sceptical that it is the origin of bb in the majority of cases, and in particular, my case. I suspect that in most cases of chronic bb, there is nothing actually wrong with the person. ie nothing to be cured.

2. The local approach suggests we have an overgrowth of 'offending' bacteria on or around our tongues/throat and that the overgrowth is there for reasons that are not clear but are very resistant to permanent reduction. That these bacteria feed on a variety of foods including the foods we eat, the tissues of our mouth, our saliva, mucus from our noses, etc.

I write all this because whichever is the predominant cause in our individual cases leads us towards a very distinct approach to the control of our bb. To ignore either one can leave us 'barking up the wrong tree' as we say here in UK (do you use the same expression in US?).

Ironically, cutting out too many 'offending' foods may leave us deficient in vital vitamins/minerals that adds to the likelihood that our bodies can no longer function efficiently.

Best wishes, lucky.

Godisgood
06-17-2005, 01:41 PM
BLASE2
YOU mentioned that you had your tonsils zapped. I'm really considering having that done...but I live in the states and I can't find a doctor who does it...
I wanted to know where you had it done. How long did it take? How much did it cost in dollars? and Do you think if you went back to for a repeat zap that your breath will be completely gone. How much of the zapping affected your breath?...like in percentage? Was the change immediate?

And how was your breath before?? Do or did you have a bad taste in your mouth and how did you know that the treatment would be good for you.

Diggler
06-17-2005, 05:43 PM
Hi guys,

Glad to see people still posting away, good to hear from people.

I've been very busy recently trying to come to some logical explanations.

However, in order to confirm some of my theories I really need the help of everyone else on here so I can compare various cases.

Please can you tell me if you suffer from, or have suffered from in the past, any of the following conditions / complaints:


· Hay Fever
· Allergic Rhinitis
· Seasonal Rhinitis
· Other allergies (food?)

· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc)
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?)
· Post Nasal Drip
· White Coating on tongue
· Tonsil Stones
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing)

· Dry mouth

· Asthma
· Eczema
· Psoriasis
· Hives
· Joint pains

· Acne - Face or body
· Oily skin
· Dark Circles under Eyes

· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes

· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin

· Recurrent Indigestion
· Heartburn
· Acid Reflux


Please, please, please take the time to do this for me, it's really important that i get a picture of other peoples conditions, so I can add some weight to my theory before I continue.

Thanks guys, I would really appreicate it.

Best wishes.

panaSONIQUE
06-17-2005, 05:46 PM
I get heartburn and have acid reflux. I get tonsil stones on occassion, and sometimes get unexplained rashes, although it could be a heat rash. I also used to have post nasal drip, but it seems to be getting better.
Hope that helps

peachpit
06-18-2005, 01:23 AM
Hi guys,

Glad to see people still posting away, good to hear from people.

I've been very busy recently trying to come to some logical explanations.

However, in order to confirm some of my theories I really need the help of everyone else on here so I can compare various cases.

Please can you tell me if you suffer from, or have suffered from in the past, any of the following conditions / complaints:


· Hay Fever
· Allergic Rhinitis
· Seasonal Rhinitis
· Other allergies (food?)

· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc)
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?)
· Post Nasal Drip
· White Coating on tongue
· Tonsil Stones
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing)

· Dry mouth

· Asthma
· Eczema
· Psoriasis
· Hives
· Joint pains

· Acne - Face or body
· Oily skin
· Dark Circles under Eyes

· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes

· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin

· Recurrent Indigestion
· Heartburn
· Acid Reflux


Please, please, please take the time to do this for me, it's really important that i get a picture of other peoples conditions, so I can add some weight to my theory before I continue.

Thanks guys, I would really appreicate it.

Best wishes.

- Some sort of allergies (not sure why, sometimes I just get uncontrollable watery eyes, runny nose, etc. Doc gave my zyrtec which I only take as needed, maybe 1-2 times a month)
- allergic to Mangoes (get small blisters on lips if I eat them)
- Blocked nose – one nostril – almost constantly
- white coating on tongue always
- no more tonsil stones (had tonsils removed Jan 04 the old fashioned scalpel way, didn’t help any but left me with a yearning for more vicodin :)
- Ears that pop or crackle, this is probably almost as big a problem for me as my bb. Really bad for me, went to a bunch of ents for this a few years back. Basically said my Eustachian tubes are screwed, the term was ‘bilateral patuous patent Eustachian tubes’ or something like that. Actually when I started having these ear problems in '97 is when I started getting bb.
- occasional acne
- oily skin
- occasional irregular heartbeat, maybe once a month it feels like it skips for a few seconds, been to doctor but couldn’t find anything.

I used to post here a lot, you can probably search for my previous posts to see everything I've tried myself, believe me I've been there.

I do notice that the only time it doesn't seem to be a problem for me is in a bar, don't know if it's from me drinking alcohol that kills the bb, or because I'm not so stressed about it and it isn't making it worse. But I rarely get the nose rub or similar reactions at a bar as compared to at work.

mearth
06-18-2005, 08:10 AM
I have dark circles, pnd, acid reflux and a coated tongue. In the past I have had occasional joint pain but exercise has helped in that department.

ShroudedInMist
06-18-2005, 08:26 AM
[B]To Diggler[B]

I copied your questions here, and answered everyone of them.

· Hay Fever -Yes, I think so. When it's summertime I'm constantly sneezing etc

· Allergic Rhinitis - Yes, dust

· Seasonal Rhinitis - Yes, pollen allergy

· Other allergies (food?) Yes, apples, cherries, bananas...

· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc) - Yes, quite often, But it might be because of the other allergies too. In winters my nose is constantly runny

· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?) - Quite often my nostrils are filled with dried mucus

· Post Nasal Drip - Yes, there is that stuff that I'm constantly swalloving

· White Coating on tongue - Yes

· Tonsil Stones - Not very often, they're quite small when I experience them

· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing) - Yes, I actually paid attention to it, when I red this

· Dry mouth - Sometimes

· Asthma - No, but it appears in my family
· Eczema - No
· Psoriasis - No
· Hives - Certain foods may cause it (banana for example)
· Joint pains - No

· Acne - Face or body - No. Of course there are a few pimples, but I think that's not acne
· Oily skin - My nose is quite oily... Another useful piece of trivia
· Dark Circles under Eyes - Yes. But not very conspicuous

· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes - Yes, bloodshot eyes

· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin - No

· Recurrent Indigestion - No

· Heartburn - No

· Acid Reflux - No

but there are some digestion problems in my family

I hope this helped, and this is clear to read. And BTW, I knew a person who was constantly clearing her throat (probably post nasal drip), and had a BB.

blase2
06-18-2005, 09:44 AM
Hi Blase, such a diet, vegan will not supply vitamin B12. So you'd need to take it in supplement form or in a fortified product.

Best wishes, lucky.

Sorry yes Lucky I forgot to mention - I do take B12 supplements. This diet a modelled on a vegan sort of diet wich somehow brings down BB to tolerable levels.

blase2
06-18-2005, 09:49 AM
[QUOTE=Godisgood]BLASE2
YOU mentioned that you had your tonsils zapped. I'm really considering having that done...but I live in the states and I can't find a doctor who does it...
I wanted to know where you had it done. How long did it take? How much did it cost in dollars? and Do you think if you went back to for a repeat zap that your breath will be completely gone. How much of the zapping affected your breath?...like in percentage? Was the change immediate?

And how was your breath before?? Do or did you have a bad taste in your mouth and how did you know that the treatment would be good for you.[/QUOTE

Godisgood,

i had mine done at London laser clinic. It costs about 1000 pounds. I went for a co2 laser reduction. My tonsils were pretty small - so it took just one go under local anaesthetic. It is no miracle cure for your BB. But you'll get some sort of a relief I'm sure esp if you have PND and tonsiloliths.

I still have BB yes. There s no cure at this stage unfortunately.

blase2
06-18-2005, 09:57 AM
· Hay Fever
Nope

· Allergic Rhinitis
Nope

· Seasonal Rhinitis
Nope

· Other allergies (food?)
Milk, eggs make my PND bad. I get itchy bottom many times

· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc)
Nope

· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?)
Nope

· Post Nasal Drip
Not much - used to be heavy but gone down with diet and colon cleanse.

· White Coating on tongue
Not much

· Tonsil Stones
got my tonsils removed - so none.

· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing)
Sometimes

· Dry mouth
Not much

· Asthma
Allergic to dust a bit

· Eczema
I've ha d pretty good number of skin problems in the past. Itchy bottom, jock itch, discharge from belly button. But now I'm left with itchy bottom only

· Psoriasis
Nope

· Hives
Nope

· Joint pains
Nope

· Acne - Face or body
Nope

· Oily skin
Nope - sometimes

· Dark Circles under Eyes
Nope

· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes
nope. Increased heart rate maybe

· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin
Nope

· Recurrent Indigestion
i suffer from flatulence - odorless mostly

· Heartburn
Nope

· Acid Reflux
Nope

Thanatos86
06-18-2005, 10:54 AM
· Hay Fever - no
· Allergic Rhinitis - no
· Seasonal Rhinitis - no
· Other allergies (food?) - no

· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc) - occasionally. Take diphenhydramine nightly to sleep.
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?) - Since starting sleeping pills
· Post Nasal Drip - no
· White Coating on tongue - yes
· Tonsil Stones - tonsils removed at young age
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing) - no

· Dry mouth - yes

· Asthma - yes but no longer have it under normal circustances
· Eczema - no
· Psoriasis - no
· Hives - no
· Joint pains - no besides those du to injuries

· Acne - Face or body - no
· Oily skin - face
· Dark Circles under Eyes - sometimes

· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes - no

· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin - no

· Recurrent Indigestion - no
· Heartburn - no
· Acid Reflux - no

Thanatos86
06-18-2005, 10:57 AM
garrett,

if you and your girlfriend end up breaking up, will you ever pursue a relationship before curing your breath?

olivia33
06-18-2005, 11:37 AM
Diggler:

Hay Fever - yes
· Allergic Rhinitis - yes
· Seasonal Rhinitis - yes
· Other allergies - yes
· Sinus Problems - yes
· Blocked Nose upon waking - yes
· Post Nasal Drip - yes
· White Coating on tongue - yes
· Tonsil Stones - used to, now they are gone
· Mucus in ears - rarely
· Dry mouth - yes
· Asthma - yes
· Eczema - no
· Psoriasis - no
· Hives - no
· Joint pains - no
· Acne -when I was younger
· Oily skin - when I was younger
· Dark Circles under Eyes - no
· Rash after consuming alcohol - sometimes nose gets pink
· Other unexplained rashes on body/dry skin - no
· Recurrent Indigestion - no
· Heartburn - no
· Acid Reflux - no

chloe_123
06-18-2005, 12:11 PM
Diggler,

· Hay Fever - No
· Allergic Rhinitis - No
· Seasonal Rhinitis - No
· Other allergies (food?) - Milk

· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc) - Yes
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?) - Yes
· Post Nasal Drip - Sometimes
· White Coating on tongue - Sometimes
· Tonsil Stones - No
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing) - Sometimes

· Dry mouth - Yes

· Asthma - No
· Eczema - No
· Psoriasis - No
· Hives - No
· Joint pains - No

· Acne - Face or body - No
· Oily skin - No
· Dark Circles under Eyes - Yes

· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes - Yes my face tunrs red

· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin - No

· Recurrent Indigestion - Yes
· Heartburn - Yes
· Acid Reflux - Yes

mya123
06-18-2005, 01:21 PM
Hay Fever - no
· Allergic Rhinitis - yes, dust, mold
· Seasonal Rhinitis - pollen
· Other allergies - food: milk, i think anything with gluten also
· Sinus Problems - yes
· Blocked Nose upon waking - yes
· Post Nasal Drip - yes
· White Coating on tongue - yes
· Tonsil Stones - used alot, now no
· Mucus in ears - sometimes, especially when I have a sinus infection
· Dry mouth - yes
· Asthma - no
· Eczema - no
· Psoriasis - no
· Hives - no
· Joint pains - no
· Acne -occasionally depending on time of month
· Oily skin - no
· Dark Circles under Eyes - yes
· Rash after consuming alcohol - no
· Other unexplained rashes on body/dry skin - no
· Recurrent Indigestion - no
· Heartburn - yes
· Acid Reflux - not sure

I have been seeing some relief of bb and PND lately. I am not sure exactly what is doing it or maybe a combination of things but...I have changed my diet, eating healthier, avoiding all dairy and meat. I sometimes sneak in sweets an that gets me in trouble, but for the most part I avoid it. I have noticed that when I eat certain foods, my bb is decreased or gone temporarily. For example, spinach, fruits like apple, pear, watermelon, sometimes pineapple, and avocado. I also take Mastic Gum supplements. I use Tung gel regularly, and Clo2 mouthwash in evening, and Biotene (dry mouth mouthwash) in morning. I take papaya supplements to aid in digestion. I take Calcium supplements anywhere from 500mg-1000mg/day....sometimes I forget though. I also take Sun Chorella with every meal (no more than 3x/day). WAS taking 200mg B2 (riboflavin) 3 times a day with meals--I am not sure if this helped me but i know it has helped others with fecal and garbage body odors. I am also trying to be more relaxed, less anxious and pray more and focus on God rather than myself and my issues. This has helped A LOT! I hope this helps someone.

Diggler
06-18-2005, 03:52 PM
Thanks so much for all the responses.

I think there a lot of similarities between everyones health conditions that they suffer. Particularly in relation to allergies (immune system / histamine repsonse, etc).

btw, I forget to mention myown problems for anyones who's interested:

· Hay Fever
· Allergic Rhinitis
· Seasonal Rhinitis
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?)
· Post Nasal Drip
· White Coating on tongue
· Tonsil Stones (occasionally)
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing)
· Asthma (when I was younger)
· Acne - Face or body (throughout my teenage years)
· Oily skin
· Dark Circles under Eyes
· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes


The most interetsing thing is that most of these things came on within a few years of each other (around 15-19 yrs). This is when I was eating a horrendous diet, and drinking alcohol on a regaular basis (binge drinking also).

Funnily enough, this is when I started noticing the strange smell after the lick test, and the appearance of white caoting on my tongue.

Anyone else think this can't just be a coincidence?

I'll keep you posted as to how I go at curing my allergy problems.

Thanks again, its really appreciated.

Thanatos86
06-18-2005, 07:27 PM
Is it possible that some of us were given halitosis from our pets when we were kids?

Results from a study labled "Is transmission of bacteria that cause halitosis from pets to humans possible?" showed that among the halitosis group over 80% of patients had reported having pets in childhood and over 70% owned a pet at present. In the control group results are 47 and 40%, respectively.

Godisgood
06-18-2005, 07:35 PM
DIggler :)
Hay Fever - no
· Allergic Rhinitis - no
· Seasonal Rhinitis - no
· Other allergies (food?) - no

· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc) - no.
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?) - yes...the blocked nostril alternates
· Post Nasal Drip - yes..constantly hacking up stuff
· White Coating on tongue - yes
· Tonsil Stones - yes..ooh they smell soo bad!! and i can constantly taste them. ANd my right tonsil tends to bleed really easily.
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing) - yes...with every swallow

· Dry mouth - no

· Asthma - no
· Eczema - no
· Psoriasis - no
· Hives - no
· Joint pains - no

· Acne - Face or body -.. basically clear skin..but i'll get a pimpe or two the week before my periods starts.
· Oily skin - in the usuall places..forehead, nose,and chin..but nothing major
· Dark Circles under Eyes - nope

· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes - no..I don't drink often enough to notice..but I haven't noticed anything unsual when I have taken a drink.

· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin - no

· Recurrent Indigestion - I have a hard time digesting dairy products and eggs... I have noticed that it takes a really long time for my body to digest food... and could eat something at 11am...and at 4pm I'm still full or still burping what I ate last. Its gross...so I usually have one big meal a day.
· Heartburn - no..unless my diet is real bad..
· Acid Reflux - I think...I'm not sure...what is it?

Added info
I have constant Body Odor that is not cleared by showering.

BLASE2
Would you do it again if you had to do it over ?

Garrett123
06-18-2005, 08:54 PM
hey guys-

Thano- We are still together, but if we did break up, I would be devastated. I think there would come a time yes, I would get back out there. It would take a few years though. I know that, since I tend to dwell. Even though I get REALLY down about it... I still get back out there, despite hurtful comments and situations of rejection. Just trying to find Managment these days, cure I think is out at the point...

Diggler-
· Hay Fever-No
· Allergic Rhinitis-No
· Seasonal Rhinitis-No
· Other allergies (food?)-Dairy a bit, but not diagnosed

· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc)- a bit
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?)-No
· Post Nasal Drip- A bit
· White Coating on tongue- A bit
· Tonsil Stones- yes, but no longer since tonsilectomy. BB still here though!
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing)-yes

· Dry mouth- yes

· Asthma- as child
· Eczema-no
· Psoriasis-no
· Hives- no
· Joint pains- no

· Acne - Face or body- yes as a teen. Took acutane, after stopping BB started for me. It is a very strong drug
· Oily skin- Yes
· Dark Circles under Eyes- No

· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes- a bit

· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin- yes

· Recurrent Indigestion- yes
· Heartburn- a bit
· Acid Reflux- yes

Hope this helps...G

lucky59
06-19-2005, 04:34 AM
Hay Fever - No
· Allergic Rhinitis - No
· Seasonal Rhinitis - No
· Other allergies - No
· Sinus Problems - No
· Blocked Nose upon waking - No
· Post Nasal Drip - yes
· White Coating on tongue - yes if not brushed regularly
· Tonsil Stones - no tonsils
· Mucus in ears - No
· Dry mouth - yes
· Asthma - No
· Eczema - no
· Psoriasis - no
· Hives - no
· Joint pains - sometimes in knees/fingers
· Acne -No
· Oily skin - No
· Dark Circles under Eyes - no
· Rash after consuming alcohol - No
· Other unexplained rashes on body/dry skin - no
· Recurrent Indigestion - no
· Heartburn - no
· Acid Reflux - no

lucky.

lucky59
06-19-2005, 04:37 AM
I use Tung gel regularly.....

Hi Mya, how often?

lucky.

Diggler
06-20-2005, 04:48 AM
Hi seeker, nice to see you back.

Are you still Liver Flushing? How many have you done in total? Are you still seeing stones?

How many did you have to do before you saw an improvement in your allergies?

Sorry for all the questions, but I've recently done a liver flush and it was a success, so I'm gonna do one every two weeks now.

I think it was really interesting to see how many people have common ailments, particularly in relation to allergies. Thanks again for all the replies guys.

Cheers.

blase2
06-20-2005, 01:33 PM
Is it possible that some of us were given halitosis from our pets when we were kids?

Results from a study labled "Is transmission of bacteria that cause halitosis from pets to humans possible?" showed that among the halitosis group over 80% of patients had reported having pets in childhood and over 70% owned a pet at present. In the control group results are 47 and 40%, respectively.

Possible. Not true in my case as I had nothing to do with pets all my life.

blase2
06-20-2005, 01:39 PM
BLASE2
Would you do it again if you had to do it over ?

Would I do what again godisgood? If you mean laser reduction then yes i would but the surgeon zapped the whole tonsils in one go. Takes about two min.

Diggler
06-20-2005, 08:22 PM
Thats very true seeker. Lots of people preach about the liver flush being the best way to cleanse your body, regardless of bb.

Nice to hear you're still doing ok, even with a less strict diet - thats ideal i think. Need to enjoy food now and again, hehe.

I guess your disgust to the olive oil mix was your body's way of saying 'enough is enough, now give me a break', lol.

I managed to get it down in one, just felt a bit of burning in the throat - acid in the fruit juice i guess. We'll have to see how it goes in the next few i do.

So you think I could do them more often that every other week? One a week maybe? Cos it really is drag waiting when I just wanna get on with it as much as i can.

So what would you say? Flush every weekend? How often did you do it?

Did you do any parasite management?

Garrett123
06-21-2005, 12:39 PM
For those of you who have used Aerobic Oxygen. I quit for a while and have been using it again. I do feel it helps more than not.

My mouth just feels cleaner and not fuming with the smell. Anyone still using it? I feel its better to use it than not.

thoughts?

mya123
06-21-2005, 01:43 PM
Hi Mya, how often?

lucky.

Hi Lucky, I use tung gel at least 3x a day. But I average about 4-5x day.

lucky59
06-21-2005, 06:45 PM
Hi Lucky, I use tung gel at least 3x a day. But I average about 4-5x day.

Hi mya, much the same as me. I plan to order a new brush soon. I notice that the 'bristles' are getting a bit soft, afterall they take a bit of a hammering!

Blase reported that the gel became ineffective after a week. That wasn't my experience. Nor yours, by the sound of it.

Best wishes, lucky.

Thanatos86
06-21-2005, 08:37 PM
Garrett, I just started using AO again two days ago. I just use it later in the day to help freshen my breath. I think it helps with my breath if I use it as a rinse & swallow, but without my current diet, I don't think it would make a difference at all.

bradgm
06-22-2005, 03:55 PM
Diggler, did you experience any discomfort at all while doing the first liver flush? What about the day after? Im scared Im going to feel horrible. But, if I do get through the first one and it helps, I will be doing them every 2 weeks for sure.

Diggler
06-22-2005, 06:13 PM
None at all.

The OO and juice mix stung my mouth because of the acid but it was for a few seconds.

I woke up at around 3am with indigestion, went straight back to sleep.

Woke up at 6.30 feeling like i had a hangover, went straight back to sleep.

Woke up at 11am, feeling great.

(Some people wake up in the night for the toilet - I didn't luckily)

Started the liquid bowel movements after something to eat. I went about 8 times during the day. More annoying than anything.

Overall, i thought it was great and am doing another one this weekend.

I'll post my plan if you wanna do it the same as me. Let me know. It was basically the Hulda Clark method, but without some stuff in it.

If you can do it properly, I would say go for it.

garfiola
06-22-2005, 07:05 PM
did u get any stones out

i did enema 5 times, i can not say there are drastical changes but i wll try flush this week

it has to work

i am gonna do hulda method but without ornithine

arent you supporse to take salt in morning again ;) and you sleeped

Diggler
06-22-2005, 08:12 PM
Yes, I got around 20 "medium" stones out (about 1cm across).

Around 100 small stones.

And lots of chaff, sand, and crap.

The stones were squishy and looked like peas. They are just collection of old bile that will eventually form gallstones when they calcify.

I didn't feel any different after it, but I didn't expect to. I'm hoping it will come the more flushes I do.

The Epsom salts relax the bile ducts to allow the stones to pass out. And they also cause the diarrhea, which flushes the intestines, getting the stones and toxins out quickly before they get re-absorbed.

I also, had a colonic 2 days after. I don't plan on doing this every flush though.

------------------------------------------------

Heres the method I used:

Took stones dissolves for 5 days before the flush. 200ml Apple Juice with 1 tbsp Apple Cider Vinegar and 500mg Malic Acid caps - four times per day (1/2 an hour before a meal).

(The stone dissolvers were probably why I passed loads of chaff.)

All I ate on the day was fruit. Don't take and medication / vitamins that you can do without.

Note that you can adjust the times, but always keep them consistant. Eg, you can shift them forward 2 hours, but make sure you do this to all times. Do not miss the times - the timing is very strict.

4.00 - Do not eat after this time.

8.30pm - 1/2 tbsp Epsom Salts in 1 cup water (250ml) with juice of 1/2 lemon (to improve taste).

10.30pm - 1 tbsp Epsom Salts in 1 cup water (250ml) with juice of 1/2 lemon.

12.15 - Prepare Extra Virgin Olive Oil and Grapefruit juice mixture. Using 1/2 cup (125ml) Extra Virgin Olive Oil and equal amount of fresh squeezed juice of pink grapefruit. Shake well in a shaker.

12.30 - Drink EVOO and grapefruit mixture. Get this down within 15 minutes. (In a few gulps if possible).

(I followed this by chewing sugar-free peppermint gum to settle the stomach, whilst on my way to bed)

Go straight to bed, lie on back for 30 minutes. Then go to sleep lying on right side.

Next morning upon waking (but not before 8am) - another 1tbsp Epsom Salts in 1 cup (250ml) water, with lemon if needed.

Most sources I've read also say to take another serving of Epsom Salts 2 hours later again, but I didnt take this dose.

After another 2 hours you can begin to eat fruit, then as normal shortly afterwards.

I was back and forth to the toilet all day :yawn:

Its amazing to see what comes out of you.

I suggest you research Liver Flushing on the internet first before attempting it though. Don;t just follow the method I used - try to find other people's experience of them to learn more.

Hope this helps.

bradgm
06-22-2005, 08:20 PM
edit: thanks for the information, Diggler!

Did or do you have post nasal drip or any sinuses? Ive heard the problems will go away for a few days after the first flush, but will come back. Im assuming this would be a good sign .. meaning the liver was the source of the problem for the PND or sinuses.

garfiola
06-22-2005, 09:07 PM
thx

so u did it

i forgot about apple cidar, does it have to be biological, i mean without pesticides ?

i will do it tomorrow, but i am afraid i will not be able to sleep

Diggler
06-23-2005, 05:09 AM
Brad - I suffer from PND and sinus congestion (I think its due to allergies to pollen and dust mites mainly). I've seen no improvemant after 1 flush but didn't expect to anyway. Seeker said he had improvement after 2 flushes. I'm doing my second flush this weekend.

Garfiola - apple cider vinegar should be organic if possible. You need to take it for about 5 days before the flush though. Not just on the day or 1 day before.

Make sure you have really researched the procedures and other people's experiences before you do it yourself - really important. It could cause pain/problems if its not done right.

garfiola
06-24-2005, 04:40 PM
i did my first flush and get arond 40 stones uut
they are very soft i must say and yellow outside, and inside they are green

i feel less pressure in my gall bladder i must say, i do not know about bb

the biggest problem was drinking epsom salt, oil was better

garfiola
06-25-2005, 07:04 PM
i guess it isnt helped a lot

i still have bb, this problem wil stay forever i guess

****

littlelonestar
06-25-2005, 07:13 PM
Seeker 77,

I have two questions for you.

1. What brand of mouth wash and toothpaste do you use now?

2. How often should you use the oxy powder if you are also planning to do the liver cleanse as well?

I just bought the oxy powder, but I also want to clean my liver as well.
I have done two liver treatments about 6 months ago; so I know what that will feel like but how does using these two treatments at the same time affect your body?

I also have bought a "cheaper" version of trioral, called Smart Mouth. I have used trioral before and it did not do that much for me, but I was hoping if my diet and the cleansing treatment helps to get rid of toxins maybe the mouthwash can also help to speed the process along. What do you think? What do you use for oral care? Thanks for your help.

Diggler
06-26-2005, 10:14 AM
Garfiola,

You can't expect just one liver flush to cure your problems. You should expect to do at least 8-10 and then even more if still not seeing effects.

You also need to do a colon cleansing program before doing the liver flushes too.


littlelonestar,

The way I did it was I used oxypwoder for a week before my liver flush. Then had 2 days off it, eating a lot of fibre. Then I did my liver flush, then had a colonic 2 days later.

Hope this helps.

littlelonestar
06-26-2005, 08:20 PM
Diggler,

Thanks for the advice. How many colonics have you had? How much does a colonic cost? Do you think that having a colonic is better than just taking the oxy-powder? I have read some of your posts and it seems like you have the same symptoms/problems as I do. I noticed in one of your posts that you asked everyone to describe what type of symptoms they have. Well here are mine.

I have PND, tonsil stones, white tongue, and a swollen throat on one side. I also had nasal surgery a year ago, to try to clear my sinuses. My nose is a little bit better, but I still have problems with the stuffy nose from time to time. I did a liver flush about 6 months ago and it did clear up my stuffy nose for a couple of days but then my nose went back to normal (always stuffy).
I think the liver flushes help but that olive oil is so gross, I just had to stop it doing the liver flushes for that reason alone. I passed at least 50 stones on my 1st flush and 100 stones on my 2nd flush. So I really think that If I begin to do the liver flushes again I will see some results after a couple more flushes.

Another things that helps me with my PND is to vacuum more often, to get rid of dust. Also do you take Vit. C? I read somewhere that Vit. C helps to rid the body of mucus? I use to take it but I just need to be more stirct about following my diet and supplement plan. I tend to slack off from taking my supplements from time to time. Like you, I have congestion in one of my nostrils. My left nostril is always clogged, but after my surgery it is not as clogged as it use to be. I also have a nasal irrigator as well. Do you still use yours? I found that it did not help me get rid of my bb, but I will begin to use it again (since I paid $100 for it).

So how long have you been on your diet and cleanse? Have you noticed any improvements? I also think my problem is stress related as well, b/c now that I am in a less stressful environment I have had fewer tonsil stones that before. I think I read on a post here where a woman got rid of her bb by going on Prozac and de-stressing. I do not want to go on Prozac but I will try to find ways to cope with this. I am hoping that the colon cleanses and liver flush will help me, and the fact that I am a small person will benefit me as well (maybe it won't take as long to detox).

I am sorry for asking so many questions, but I am trying to nip this problem in the bud. :)

Diggler
06-27-2005, 05:04 AM
Hey,

I've had 2 so far. Will probably do another 2 more or maybe 3.

Heres what I have done so far.

100% strict Candida diet (and taking caprylic acid) - for 3 weeks - felt no die off reaction, so assumed there wasn't a problem and stopped.

Began a high fibre diet, taking ground flaxseeds, and bran to help clean my bowels. Did this for around 4-5 weeks.

Had the first colonic. Didn't feel any different - but need more than 1 or 2 to feel it i think.

A month later, I took Oxypwoder for 4 days, did the liver flush 2 days later, then another colonic 2 days later (this time it was confirmed that some mucoid plaque came out - I believe this to be a result of using the oxypwoder and having empty bowels due to the epsom salts the day before the treatment - empty bowels means less to clear out)

2 weeks later, did the second liver flush. That was this weekend.

I plan on doing 1 flush every weekend for about 4-6 weeks.

I eat a 80-90% clean diet (although I don't get enough good fats - gonna change this soon). I do have 150mls milk in the morning and eat yoghurt during the day. Lots of fruit, fibrous grains (oats, brown rice), plenty of veg, lots of water (2-3 litres per day).

I take probiotics daily. Sometimes take Multi-Vit, and Milk thistle.

I have seen an improvement in the coating on my tongue, and a slight improvement in the lick test.

I believe that the main reason for my problems is allergies - hence the liver flush approach.

I use the hydropulse occasionally. I don't see any effect on the nose, but I do like the throat irrigation. I use salt water for it.

I am gonna sort out the house dust problems soon - getting new bed covers for a start.

But note that I don't think my problems are anywhere near as bad as other people on here, I don't get many reactions, if any, the only reason I believe I have mild bb is due to the lick test, and some bad tastes in my mouth towards the end of the day. Maybe my problem is psychological more than anything. If this allergy approach doesn't work - i'm gonna go see a shrink. I think this may tie in with the stress approach - I'm not stressed but constantly thinking about my 'problem' - maybe it will help to not think about it so much and just get on with it.

Hope this answers your questions.

good luck. :wave:

Thanatos86
06-27-2005, 08:44 AM
I see similar results after going on a "sulphur-free" diet. It's basically a vegan diet minus beans and nuts. Today I had to cheat because I didn't have time to prepare meals so ate a few slices of pizza a friend gave me. My breath didn't seem to become too bad and after a few hours I checked my tongue and it was pink! If the bacteria can't feed off of sulphur, they can't create VSC's.

I have given up on everything but Therabreath toothpaste and mouthwash (but I'm about to do away with the mouthwash). The sprays, drops and mints are not worth the money anymore, so I just buy Orbit gum by the bags from WalMart. It does the trick to keep saliva flowing & contains Xylitol.

lucky59
06-27-2005, 01:20 PM
If the bacteria can't feed off of sulphur, they can't create VSC's.


Hey Than, sounds like you're more sympathetic to the 'starvation approach'. ie minimising the food supply of the 'offending' bacteria.

Which afterall, is pretty much the strategy used by the rest of the world when they brush their teeth. And of course removing the plaque at the same time.

lucky.

Joshie
06-27-2005, 01:44 PM
What, so now we have to starve ourselves?? What kind of proteins are sulfur-free?

Lexi85
06-27-2005, 07:52 PM
Hi everybody! I haven't been here in a long time. I've been super busy. I turned down the job at the department store I was going to work at for fear of being ridiculed for my problem. The store was way too crowded every day and made me feel paranoid. I have another job interview within this coming week.

I took Brad's advice today...FINALLY. I bought a bottle of nasal spray, filled it with half peroxide, half water, and did two squirts up my nose. Wow, burn central, baby. It ran down my throat though after trying to get it to stop and my throat still burns a bit. I tried to hock up as much of it as I could but I'm not too good at it. Still don't know if it's helped my problem at all but I'm hoping it has. My self-esteem is dwindling to non-existant and I'm still getting complaints. I'm praying that this helps my problem.

blase2
06-27-2005, 07:54 PM
I have given up on everything but Therabreath toothpaste and mouthwash (but I'm about to do away with the mouthwash). The sprays, drops and mints are not worth the money anymore, so I just buy Orbit gum by the bags from WalMart. It does the trick to keep saliva flowing & contains Xylitol.

That is exactly what i do now except the fact that I eat nuts with a vegan sort of diet. i don't use mouthwash at all.

Lexi85
06-27-2005, 08:08 PM
Quick question you guys. Is half hydrogen peroxide and half water not the right combination for a nasal spray. I'm reading now that it should be just a teaspoon of peroxide and not half. Just asking because when I put the two drops in each nostril not only did it burn, but I got a sinus headache and became tired.

I don't want to wind up killing myself or anything. Okay, overexaggeration there but still, I don't want to damage anything more than it already is.

Thanatos86
06-27-2005, 10:01 PM
Lucky, I don't know if it's quite the same - or at least one is vastly superior to the other. Brushing the toungue and teeth do not effectively remove bacteria nor does it remove enough of the proteins emeded within crevices of tissue to starve those bacteria. After brushing, there are still proteins in the mouth and there are still billions of bad breath bacteria already repopulating.

JOsh: Animal proteins (meat, eggs, dairy), nut and bean proteins, garlic and onion proteins. Doesn't leave you with much to work with.

Garfiola, I do not flush or cleanse (I did in April). I just stick to the diet and it works much better than constantly putting garbage products into my mouth like sprays.

Bad breath is mainly Volatile Sulphur Compunds. If you eliminate the sulphur proteins at the bacteria feed off of, there will be no sulphur by-products to pollute your mouth. But many of us also haev bacteria that feed off of amines which produce much the rotting smell that some of us have.

Lots of fruits, vegetables, pasta, oatmeal. Once a week I eat meat. I feel great on this diet

As for the breath I get no responses. I'm sure I still have some bad breath, but the differece is significant. I woke up this morning with bad bad breath - I could taste it. Why? Because yesterday I ate pumpkin pie, pizza and sugary drinks. When I stick to my diet, I taste nothing in the morning. Only at the end of the day do I notice some sort of taste but my tongue is usually pink.

This diet is also much cheaper! I'm no longer spending $50 on meats per week.

Lexi85
06-28-2005, 09:27 AM
Thanatos, that's wonderful! I'm up for anything, so I'll give it a try. Plus, I really want to get into better shape, as my eating habits are extremely bad. Are you allowed to eat breads on this diet, such as bagels? If so, are you permitted to use margarine on them? How about softdrinks? Soda, in moderation? Fruit juices? Pasta sounds wonderful, since my family eats a lot of it. What can be put on the pasta? Tomato sauce, alfredo (even though that's dairy), butter and salt? I love Tortellinis, but they're filled with cheese. Would a dairy product every now and then be alright? Eating meat once a week seems like a better alternative to eating it every day. Too much red meat isn't good anyways. How about chicken? Fish as well. I'm very interested in hearing about this.

Do you feel that this diet will also improve breath even if the problem is coming from the nose?

Thanatos86
06-28-2005, 07:59 PM
Lexi, I tried to use bread, but that seems to make my breath bad. It usually contains eggs, milk or too much sugar. I have a bread machine and I'm working on ways to create tasty fluffy bread that doesn't make my breath bad.

I use plain diced tomatos on my pasta and add salt and Italian seasoning (no garlic or onion). I drink no soda. Chicken and fish are no-nos because they contain loads of sulphur proteins. To see results, you're going to have to be disciplined and willing to sacrifice taste for results. For my lunch at work I eat a bowl of plain vegetable stew (no seasoning). It's not fun to eat, but I force it down. I'm not sure if it'll help with those who also have bad breath due to PND. As I understand it, PND in some contain sulphur proteins. I bet by reducing the amount of these proteins you ingest, the less your body will excrete in mucus. But I'm not sure.

Garfiola, Seeker and I are basically on the same diet but he's allowed to eat onions, garlic, beans and nuts. There's no diet out there that tries to eliminate sulphur, because it is a vital part of the diet. That is why you should eat some nuts, beans and occasionally eat meat if you want. I also don't consume too much sugar. Almost no sugar at all besides the fruits I eat.

My breath is really bad. Not only can I fill up a room by just saying a few words, but I can fill up small outdoor areas if my breath is really bad. I have so many stories of people reacting - and violently so. I think that I might have the worst breath here because of the visceral reactions that I have received.

bradgm
06-28-2005, 08:34 PM
Lexi, spraying half peroxide half water is way too strong of a mix. Only use those 2 things if you are doing drops, not spray. No wonder it burned really bad. :eek:
If you want to irrigate, use, purified water, a pinch of salt, a pinch of baking soda and a teaspoon of peroxide in the spray bottle.


Doing the drops/spray will only mask the odor for a little while. You need to get rid of the mucus all together by doing some liver flushes. I am going to start doing them as soon as my summer school is over. I will certainly post my results as the summer goes on.

Make sure you always have some bottled water on you as well. If you feel like you are producing an odor, gulp down a few swallows of water, for this will thin the mucus for the time being.

Godisgood
06-28-2005, 08:35 PM
Thantos
I was on a similar diet...and I noticed that the taste in my mouth and the white on the tongue was completely gone...but the reactions I recieved...which I bet are similar to yours...never went away.

So I gave up...I'll try again later when I can afford it. ARe you having regular bms??

Thanatos86
06-28-2005, 09:26 PM
Godisgood, I am having regular bms. Before this I was not. The only person I think I may be getting a reaction from is my boss. I'm not too sure. Its hard to gague unless my breath is very, very bad.

Thanatos86
06-29-2005, 09:35 AM
I believe that my breath has improved drastically. Still, I am not certain. I'm very afraid to talk to people face-to-face. Today I decided to do just that to one of my co-workers who is a good friend and he didn't make any indication that my breath was bad - and this was later in the day. I was chewing Orbit gum as usual. I'm going to spend some $$$ on some "Bad Breath Detectives" from Therabreath to test the levels of Volatile Sulphur Compounds. I'm going to spend a day eating what I used to eat (garbage) and test the sulphur compound levels at various points of the day. Then when I go back on my current diet, I'll test it again. Katz inflates the process of these swab tests by 500% so they're expensive. The company that makes it cannot sell directly to individuals. But that's neither here nor there.

What you cannot eat: Anything that comes from an animal (meats, eggs, milk, chicken broth, beef broth, etc), nuts, beans, garlic and onions. YOu have to read the labels of everything you buy to make sure they don't contain these products in any form. Just try it for a few days. It's a tough diet, but all you have to do is try it for a few days. After the first day, I bet you'll notice a difference the next morning. Reward yourself one day out of the week with whatever you want. Hopefully you'll see satisfactory results.

Like I said, I'm still very afraid to talk to people. I am crushed every time I get a reaction. The last thing I want is to get a reaction right now. I feel psychologically crushed. Even if an actual cure comes along and I'm cured of bad breath, this psychological impact will probably remain. The effects that it has had on me over the past few years is taking its toll.

I wish I had more guts to test my results out.

Lexi85
06-29-2005, 12:30 PM
I believe that my breath has improved drastically. Still, I am not certain. I'm very afraid to talk to people face-to-face. Today I decided to do just that to one of my co-workers who is a good friend and he didn't make any indication that my breath was bad - and this was later in the day. I was chewing Orbit gum as usual. I'm going to spend some $$$ on some "Bad Breath Detectives" from Therabreath to test the levels of Volatile Sulphur Compounds. I'm going to spend a day eating what I used to eat (garbage) and test the sulphur compound levels at various points of the day. Then when I go back on my current diet, I'll test it again. Katz inflates the process of these swab tests by 500% so they're expensive. The company that makes it cannot sell directly to individuals. But that's neither here nor there.

What you cannot eat: Anything that comes from an animal (meats, eggs, milk, chicken broth, beef broth, etc), nuts, beans, garlic and onions. YOu have to read the labels of everything you buy to make sure they don't contain these products in any form. Just try it for a few days. It's a tough diet, but all you have to do is try it for a few days. After the first day, I bet you'll notice a difference the next morning. Reward yourself one day out of the week with whatever you want. Hopefully you'll see satisfactory results.

Like I said, I'm still very afraid to talk to people. I am crushed every time I get a reaction. The last thing I want is to get a reaction right now. I feel psychologically crushed. Even if an actual cure comes along and I'm cured of bad breath, this psychological impact will probably remain. The effects that it has had on me over the past few years is taking its toll.

I wish I had more guts to test my results out.

I agree. Even if my BB is cured, I know I'll still have a low confidence level because I'll never know if or when it will return. I don't think I'll ever be at ease, even if the problem is solved in my particular case. The psychological damage over the last ten years has just been embedded so strongly into my mind. I noticed that I'm much more stressed out now that I'm in college, as opposed to when I was in high school.

Brad, I didn't spray the peroxide/water mix, I put two drops in each nostril but it burned very badly and made me extremely tired for some reason. I also developed a sinus headache. Not sure if it was because the mix was too strong or what. Maybe I'll decrease the amounts of peroxide a bit. I'm not too keen on the liver flushes though...

Thanatos86
06-30-2005, 07:50 PM
garfiola,

A girl at my work cornered me last night & we talked. I know she likes me and that makes it more difficult because I like to know that there's someone out there who likes me. If I lose that because of my breath, I'll be hurt. My diet was 100% yesterday so whatever my breath was like was probbly the best it will ever be. I did not notice her reacting to my breath. If tomorrow I see her not smiling at me or trying to talk to me, I'll have an idea.

Godisgood
06-30-2005, 11:02 PM
Thantos
I'm looking at what you're not eating...I didn't do my diet that way??
Can you tell me EXACTLY what you are eating...break it down breakfast, lunch..etc It seems like your not eating very much...that I can afford!!!LOL:)
Do you drink a lot of water..if so how much? And how long did it take to rid yourself of the taste on your tongue.


Oh yeah...why no beans???...my last diet consisted of nothing but beans and fish!!

Joshie
07-01-2005, 06:11 AM
What about lentils and peas? The protein values of those two are almost equal to that of beans.

Thanatos86
07-01-2005, 09:34 AM
Goodisgood,

1:30pm - Oatmeal, cinnamon, splenda, Apple Sauce, salt, 1 banana
2:00 - 3:00 - Work Out
3:00 - Oatmeal, cinnamon, splenda, Apple Sauce, salt
6:00 - Pasta, plain diced tomoatos, italian seasoning, salt, Apple
8:00 - Big bowl of tasteless Stew (potatoes, carrots, celery, italian seasoning, salt), Orange
10:30 - Same as 6:00, pineapple
1:30AM - Homemade Salsa (no garlic or onions but still delicious!) with Corn Chips.

Every hour or so I take 5-6 whey protein capsules (muscle milk). The pasta that I eat already contains a lot of semolina protein.

Beans contain a bit of sulphur-proteins, but from what I read, it doesn't even compare with the amount of sulphur-proteins in meats and dairy products.

This diet is easy except the part where I have to force-feed myself tasteless stew. It literally takes me 15 minutes to eat because I eat bland food very slowly and via small mouthfulls.

On Saturday, my day off from work, I eat whatever I want. I eat meat, milk, garlic, cheese all of that stuff.

I noticed a difference on the very first day but by the next morning when there was no taste upon waking up, I knew from that alone this diet was worth it. Usually, I can really taste my breath in the morning. It is so, so bad.

Thanatos86
07-01-2005, 09:39 AM
What about lentils and peas? The protein values of those two are almost equal to that of beans.

Lentils & peas are siad to have some but not a significant amount of sulphur-proteins.

Sulphur-proteins are important, so you should allow yourself to feast on them once per week or in daily amounts that won't lead to halitosis. I prefer to deny my mouth of any sulphur-protiens what-so-ever 6 days out of the week.

This is n easy diet. Just eliminate sulphur-proteins for a few days and see if it works for you. Don't cheat during those few days.

Also, the girl I talked to the other night came up and talked to me again. She's been interested for 7 months now and the past two nights have been the only nights where we have struck up long conversations standing next to eachother. It seems that she didn't smell anything offensive or too offensive. I want to pull my hair out because I'm not sure about my breath. I know there's still some bad breath there.

ShroudedInMist
07-01-2005, 02:19 PM
Good job Thanatos, I'm glad you're sharing that with us. I'll have to try that diet too, but not just yet, 'cos I have some other things going on.

Garfiola, try to hold on buddy! Things will be better. I hope so :rolleyes:

BTW, has anyone noticed some sort of white stuff around lips? I mean when it is a hot day, and I'm doing something physical, I get that white thing around my mouth. It might be the same origin as the covering on my tongue.

Godisgood
07-01-2005, 10:25 PM
Thanatos
Ok...thats doesn't sound bad...at all. Is there any variety? Do you have any other main dishes?? How long have you been on the diet?? Do you drink water?? Are you constantly hungry??

Thanatos86
07-02-2005, 09:09 AM
Right now there is no variety because its hard to make decent meals with so few ingredients at my disposal.

I am always hungry & I keep losing weight during the week (I put on some during the weekend). I think I'll have to add rice to my stew to help keep the hunger at bay and keep my weight loss to a minimum.

I drink about 7 liters of water per day.

Joshie
07-02-2005, 10:32 AM
Don't those whey protein capsules give you bad breath?

Thanatos86
07-02-2005, 11:01 AM
No, because the actual protein doesn't touch my mouth. It is encapsulated in vegetable capsules and is released in the stomach

Joshie
07-02-2005, 07:17 PM
Mad cool! Where can I purchase these?

Thanatos86
07-02-2005, 09:14 PM
You gotta make them yourself.

I use Cap-M-Quik's capsule maker (size 00). It takes me about 7-8 minutes to make 50 capsules and that about does it for the day.

chriss22
07-03-2005, 03:42 AM
Guess my bb hasn't gotten any better. Last night I was out having a drink w/my friend and while I already had a piece of fresh gum in my mouth somebody offered me a mint. I told him no thanks, I already had a piece and he insisted I take the mint. How humiliating. This really sucks. Any self confidence I have from working out, taking care of myself, having money is all completely useless due to this stench that comes out of my mouth that I'm completely unaware of. I think I have a piece of gum in my mouth so I am safe for the night, only to be reminded of what an outcast I am. I wonder if people refer to me as the person w/bb behind my back. I'm sure they do. There has to be a cure soon. Life seems like it's a waste of time without being able to socialize or heaven forbid be intimate with someone. This is really, really, getting to me lately, I'm just so depressed over it.
I'm having a really hard week because of that comment, I'm sure you all understand. Hopefully somehow this monster of a curse will be solved soon. My twentie's are almost over :(

Joshie
07-03-2005, 08:18 AM
You gotta make them yourself.

I use Cap-M-Quik's capsule maker (size 00). It takes me about 7-8 minutes to make 50 capsules and that about does it for the day.

I'd need a lot of capsules for one scoop of protein powder. What powder are you using?

Joshie
07-03-2005, 03:38 PM
I discontinued using Aerobic Oxygen. Perhaps I'll start using it again sometime. Where did you hear vitamin C can be used to reduce bb?

Godisgood
07-03-2005, 07:40 PM
Thanatos
Thank you for being patient....
7 liters...man thats a lot...but I think thats really the key to the whole thing.
When you binge on the weekend...how does your mouth taste like...monday morning??

Chriss22
Lords knows long it will be until we can find something that will help. I know exaclty what you're going through. And like blase I don't have any words that will make you feel better...but I will say this... We have to keep trying...try everything ( safely) that you believe will work. try until you know for sure that it doesn't work for you. You can't get in the habit of not doing anything...then you will never find answer! I mean for example.. now you know that chewing gum doesn't help..keep looking until you do. Have you tried thantos diet...?? Don't give up??

Joshie
07-04-2005, 05:42 PM
i disagree. If such a cure reaches us in this lifetime then I'm pretty sure you'll get the confidence. Its just the feeling in your mouth - talking to people - their reactions etc. If you don't get any of those - well then there is no reason why you wouldn't be self confident.

If only we could get such a product which would work perfect at least for 8 hours!!

That feeling is incredible! After my tonsils were ripped out, my tongue was clean and there was no bad taste in my mouth whatsoever. I felt like kissing everyone around me.. Too bad it didn't last.. :rolleyes:

mearth
07-05-2005, 09:44 AM
This board has become a support group, and that is good, but we need more. Because I'm an entrepreneur, I believe we have to put our heads together here and not hope for a cure, but GET a cure. I've learned in this world that money motivates people( a sad reality but nevertheless true). There has to be some financial backer in this world who could hire a top notch researcher to uncover the cause of bb, and then tackle a cure. I am going to start researching that avenue. If any or all of you can surf the web under topics that may yield a lead, then I encourage you to do so. This site is great but too insular. We have to break out into the medium that is truly going to find the cure- Science.

Thanatos86
07-05-2005, 09:59 AM
Mearth,

I've looked all over, spent hours and hours tryingto find answers. The more I look, the more I realize that the cure if far off & everyone in the field knows it. Most of the top oral bacterologists are only to the point of mapping out the bacteria of the mouth. Some have been at it for years and they're reluctant to discuss their progress, which is painfully slow. They'll have to go from discovering all of the bacteria that causes bad breath and then come up with ways to eliminate them. A vaccine perhaps or better yet genetically engineered bacteria that competes with the same receptors and produce peptides to kill secific bacteria off.

The cure is at least decades away for sure. Nobody will say this. Heck, even the top guys in the field can't even answer simple questions only because the progress is too slow. Meanwhile, as these doctors continue to research they develop so-called remedies to bank in on the billions of dollars we spend annually on breath products.

Godisgood
07-05-2005, 09:14 PM
Hey
Food diary
Oatmeal with honey and a piece of fruit. @least twice a day
Basmitic rice w/ carrots
Peanut butter/jelly sandwich on toasted whole grain bread
With lots of water in between...its like I'm living on the toilet.

I have a headace...and later I may have a turkey breast sandwhich...to alleviate it. I think maybe one sandwich a day will help with absence of real food??? I don't know!!

littlelonestar
07-05-2005, 10:12 PM
Quick question you guys. Is half hydrogen peroxide and half water not the right combination for a nasal spray. I'm reading now that it should be just a teaspoon of peroxide and not half. Just asking because when I put the two drops in each nostril not only did it burn, but I got a sinus headache and became tired.

I don't want to wind up killing myself or anything. Okay, overexaggeration there but still, I don't want to damage anything more than it already is.

Lexi85,

That is way too much peroxide! You need to use maybe a small capful. When I use peroxide in my nasal irrigator, I only use a teaspoon/capful in about 16 oz. of water. Maybe you can use 2 teaspoons of peroxide but I think you are using too much peroxide. Peroxide is toxic to the body so you should not ingest large amounts of it.

littlelonestar
07-07-2005, 12:20 AM
If you swallow peroxide or ingest it by letting it drip into your throat (via your nose), it is harmful to your health. I rinse with pure peroxide as well (but I spit it out), however when you put peroxide in your nose it usually drains back into your throat and that can be harmful. I do not want anyone to hurt himself or herself by ingesting too much peroxide.

Garrett123
07-07-2005, 11:45 AM
I know we have discussed green Tea and bad breath. Search Drinking Black Tea and Bad Breath. Christine Wu, Ph has done some research.
Does anyone drink black tea religiously? I mean 5-7 cups a day?
Let me know what you all think!

Where has everyone been on this board???
Hope you are all well!

DaVinci
07-07-2005, 12:53 PM
bb is a very common problem and can be a sign of many different conditions. The most common causes include dental and gum disease, upper or lower respiratory tract infections(nose, sinuses, throat, lungs), improper diet(too much refined food and red meat), constipation and cigarette smoking. Other fairly common causes of halitosis are food allergy, sugar diabetes and hypochlorhydria(low stomach acid).
Low or absent stomach acid causes poor digestion of foods leading to excessive bacterial fermentation(use a good digestive enzyme like EnZym-Complete/DPP-IV). Fasting causes bad breath cause of the production of ketones.
Green drinks such as liquid chlorophyll, wheatgrass or barley juice are very effective against bad breath. Drink these liberally. Gargling and rinsing the oral cavity with tea tree oil two or three times daily may help eliminate a low-grade chronic infection of parasites, fungi or bacteria. Another effective remedy for gum and pharyngeal infections is hydrogen peroxide. A diluted three percent solution can be used as an oral gargle and rinse.
And my personal favourite subject: Nutritional supplements - most helpful vitamin A(best from CLO), beta-carotene(best from carrot juice), B-complex, vitamin C(and No it's not carcinogenic in high doses, this is a common falsehood, check out the scientific studies of two great pioneers in the field of vitamin C - Linus Pauling and Robert Cathcart), zinc, selenium, silicon and bee propolis.
An overgrowth of harmful bacteria in the large bowel can cause bb. So can hidden candida or parasitic infections. Again get a good probiotic(they like very other supplement are not created equal - excellent one from Thorne Research - Lactobacillus Sporogenes).All the best! :)

Thanatos86
07-07-2005, 08:39 PM
Garrett, I used to drink several large glasses of black tea every day. I didn't find that it helped. It might have given my breath a different bad smell, but it cetrainly didn't make any noticable difference.

These "studies" usally end up being inapplicable to reality. Same goes for the studies conducted on yogurt (company who funded the study is now releasing their bad breath fighting yogurt product to the market) and cinnmon gum (Wrigly funded the study to prove that Big Red fights bad breath).

Garrett123
07-08-2005, 09:44 AM
I came across an article about someone who cured their bb with a homemade remedy. Lengthy, but tell me what your thoughts:

In Summary This person did the following:

In order to kill bacteria: use a common disinfectant for external use, inside the mouth. BEWARE: some disinfectants are potentially lethal if drunk (but probably you would need to drink significant amount in order to kill yourself). Furthermore, some active principles could penetrate into the blood from under the tongue, so shouldn't be used. a few active principles which CAN be used within the mouth (because I've asked to doctors): surely chlorexidine, benzalconium chloride and 2-hydroxy-diphenyl can be used. If you are uncertain, ask to doctors over the Internet, based on the active principles. In Italy the Germozero disinfectant can be used for this purpose and it contains benzalconium chloride and 2-hydroxy-diphenyl. strongly advise AGAINST using hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) inside the mouth, even if diluted: it kills bacteria but burns your tongue. If you dilute it too much it still burns your tongue but doesn't kill bacteria anymore (that is, bacteria are more resistent than your tongue). Some internet sites suggest this but don't. Use a normal disinfectant.

The technique is this: you spray some disinfectant into your mouth or over the toothbrush, and then you gently clean the above of your tongue, the external and internal sides of your teeth (including the space between the teeth and the lips, going inside as much as possible), the palate (optional, not very needed) and the areas below your tongue. Take particular care on the areas below your tongue: while your toothbrush is under your tongue, go far inside (gently), at the left and at the right side of the tongue. Many bacteria settle there (in the canals between the lower teeth and the tongue, below the tongue, way inside) because the saliva doesn't let any air in there, so they can multiplicate freely in a sort of nest, and then they spread when the saliva moves in your mouth. Go there with the toothbrush filled with disinfectant, and kill them all.

After this, spit out the saliva+disinfectant you have in the mouth, but DON'T rinse with water (because the disinfectant which stays in the mouth is going to kill more bacteria in the next minutes). Also DON'T swallow (because swallowing all the residual disinfectant at once is not nice, even if I did it many times by mistake without significant problems): if your mouth is full, spit out again. Spit out at need for the first 3 minutes or so, then you can also swallow (DON'T rinse with water).

Once done the first times of your life, the whole process takes 30 seconds and clears you of bad breath completely, giving you an excellent breath for a time variable from 4 hours to 4 days approximately... The exact time depends on what you eat/drink next, and on your natural predisposition to bad breath. If you want to clear your bad breath again during the same day and you are not at home, you can use a portable disinfectant, like the ones contained in the first-aid boxes. You can bring that one with you and simply spray on your mouth at need (wash your mouth with the tongue from the inside). In that case, when your mouth is full of liquid, your only choice is to swallow. It will not be so bad.

When you are at home, if you want an extra-reliable and long lasting bacteria cleaning, you have also to use the dental floss (argh...). So you also remove the bacteria settled between your teeth. The disinfectant is not usable in this case, just use the dental floss normally.

Side effects: Other than potential problems of drinking disinfectant, be aware of fungi: cleaning bacteria too much, can make fungi take over in your mouth. Most asymptomatic mouths contain some sort of fungi, usually candida, which are held under control by bacteria. If you kill all the bacteria, the fungi will take over. You will start feeling an itch somewhere in the mouth, which won't go away, and your breath probably stays clean (bacteria can't take over anymore now). If you keep feeling the itching for 8 hours or more, it's very probably the fungus. Fungi are harder to remove than bacteria, but don't panic: buy an antifungal oral gel in pharmacy (better to buy it IN ADVANCE and keep it at home) the active principle is usually miconazole. It's a gel which you keep in the mouth for a couple of minutes, and then swallow. (In Italy you can use the "Daktarin Gel Orale 2%") Good tasting :-) In an emergency you could also use an antifungal for external use (I have tried econazole nitrate in liquid form... DON'T use powder forms!): put it in the tip of your finger and use the finger to rub into your mouth in the exact place of the itching. But be aware that I DON'T KNOW if this could be dangerous: I have not checked! So do NOT swallow the econazole nitrate for external use: I have no idea of its safety. Try to buy the miconazole oral gel: that one is very safe (meaning that you can try it even if you are not sure that your symptoms are really from a fungus; but really wait 8 hours of itching before "diagnosing" a fungus because a few hours of itching can happen even if you disinfect too much and don't necessarily mean that a fungus will take over). Defeating the fungus can require one day, maximum two days if you catch it early on symptoms. After defeating it once with the antifungal (and you should continue with the miconazole oral gel for 3-7 days after the disappearance of symptoms, as usually recommended by the instructions of the miconazole oral gel) it is much less likely to reappear a second time. So you could even do a 3-7 days session of miconazole oral gel as a prevention before starting using the disinfectant.

Garrett123
07-08-2005, 11:16 AM
DaVinci-
I don't know what your case is, but I have tried working on my "whole" self in clean diet, gastro, tonsils, nose, throat, exercise. It helps a bit, but not 100%.
My bb is in my mouth, coming from the throat, tongue, and crevices. I need to focus on ridding that bacteria that I have-
that is producing the smell. Otherwise I am the healthiest person on earth. My whole body is fine. However something wrong is lurking in my mouth. This is what I have come to believe.

If you read the article, it may have some truth to it. I just threw it out there for discussion....

BUSTED2
07-10-2005, 02:09 PM
What's the best way to stop PND? Every morning I wake up with all that yellow crap in my throat and it kills me.

Diggler
07-11-2005, 04:17 PM
Has anyone tried Grapefruit Seed Extract as a mouthwash? I heard it clears the white-coating on tongue.

I bought some today. In the liquid form. I hope its not the same as Chlorhexidine though, where the effect wears off after a few days usage.

Anyone?

Thanatos86
07-11-2005, 08:53 PM
Diggler, let us know if it workd. I heard someone on nother site say it literally cured her of BB.

Anyone at all try the no-sulphur diet yet? Just try it for 3 days and see if it helps. I added bluberry bagels to my diet. They contain no sulphur. Finally something with flavor!

Diggler
07-12-2005, 06:53 AM
I'm giving it a try, keep you posted.

Thanatos, How often did this person use it? and did they use it permanently or just for a set period of time, then stopped?

ginger65
07-12-2005, 09:06 AM
Hi everyone,

I've not posted for sometime but have kept up to date with your views on this dreaded affliction. Well just had a consultation with my GI consultant who confirmed the findings of my acid reflux tests. Just as I always suspected and expressed often here I get numerous reflux events all the way into my throat and mouth on a daily basis (both day and night). Also no surprise to find that the culprit is a loose lower esophaegal sphincter hindered by a hiatus hernia. Her recommendation is surgery to correct this as meds will be of no effect. As you know I have always felt that this continual exposure to low level acid and bile has changed my oral microbial balance and that they only way to re-align it was to stop the reflux. I pray that this will make a difference though I am realistic about it's effects and feel that it maybe just another step ( although a significant one) in addressing this. I should be back before year end to let you know if it has made any difference.

On another point there was a period of postings where it looked like you were all focussing in on what connects us all and makes us different from non BB sufferers. I feel viewing it objectively that the thread has lost this focus. Being healthy and eating well is a good philosophy for life but it won't necessarily result in any better breath. Indeed any successes achieved in this respect appear fleeting. What strikes me about the posts is the complete lack of any health professional opinion or input. This covers a wide range of referred to conditions including allergy, nutrition and gastro-intestinal. I have always believed that BB would only ever be one of many symptoms associated with any of these conditions and never be the only one.

In the absence of any other symptoms or ill health known to be connected to these areas any correction of them is pointless since there is nothing to correct. What we need are some concrete medical opinions to support these areas of enquiry and for many of the long standing contributors to identify the likely cause of their bb. If there are no dental or periodental concerns then the bacteria exists because the balance in the mouth and throat have been initially interfered with and continue to be hindered by some likely cause. This is the area that you should concentrate on and certainly the formal involvement of an oral bacteriologist would make sense.

Best wishes everyone,

littlelonestar
07-12-2005, 12:28 PM
Diggler,

I have tried GFSE for mouth wash. It burned my mouth !:eek: It wears off after 2 days. Do not use to much or it will make your skin peel. I did not notice my breath getting any better but that should not stop you from trying it out. I think that the product works for a little while then stops working. I still have a huge bottle of it at home so maybe I will start using it again. I think my problem is that I do not use any product long enough to see if it really works. I will use a product for a month and then move onto something else.


Thanatos,

How is your no sulfur diet going? Do you think that this diet is working? I may try to get on this diet as well.

guyw1thquestion
07-13-2005, 01:02 AM
What's the best way to stop PND? Every morning I wake up with all that yellow crap in my throat and it kills me.

Hey Busted,

I use a Neti pot twice a day with sea salt+water and it helps my post nasal drip alot. It's still there but definetely reduces it dramatically. You can find them at yoga stores or sometimes health food stores.

K

Thanatos86
07-15-2005, 09:11 AM
The diet for me seems to be going well. Today I cheated and had a protein shake as my pre-workout meal since I was short on time. Later at work, I seem to have received a reaction. The guy I was talking to put his hand over his nose when we began talking and even walked away during our conversation. He literally just walked away when I was still talking. This was outside. An hour later I was in the office and a guy and lady came in and were were talking a bit, very close. I didn't get a singl reaction from them. This is frustrating in part because I never really know if I'm getting a reaction or not. If I get one reaction, it feels like I was punched in the gut and all my energy is zapped from me. I sometimes dissociate, go very quiet and just seek to be alone.


The problem is that even a little bit of sulphur goes a looooooong way in the mouth.

chloe_123
07-15-2005, 11:34 AM
Hi everyone, just an update on what I've been doing lately. I finished a two week colon cleanse. While on the colon cleanse I was drinking 10 drops of GFSE in a glass of water - I took it everyday day for two weeks. No noticeable improvement on BB. I did however, try Garrette's tip on using an antiseptic on my TUNG brush and it worked for about 6 hours. I've never had anything work that long for me. I had plans to go out to dinner with several friends but was so nervous about my BB I tried it and no one reacted until hours later after dinner - it was great. I've used again but am very nervous about it. It's an antiseptic you use to wash cuts - it has Benzalkonium chloride. I put some on my TUNG brush and brush my tongue. I then spit it out and keep spitting for a little bit to make sure I don't swallow it but I do not drink or eat anything for at least a half hour. I know this can't be healthy but it worked for me.

Spits32
07-15-2005, 08:48 PM
Hi. I am a first time poster long time reader. I am 90% sure all my bad breath problems are caused from post nasal drip which leaves sulfur gunk on the way back of my tongue which then sits in that warm moist part of the throat when my mouth is closed. I have had this problem since puberty and I just turned 20. I was just wondering if anyone had any good suggestions or routines that help cleanse the throat because everytime I google the problem it comes up with the same retarded web pages that just try to prey on us with their get rich quick schemes (I won't name them because I'm sure you know them all). Thanks for any help you can give; I sympathize with you all!!

p.s. Is anyone else convinced the toothpaste/mouthwash/gum&mints industry is in a conspiracy to hinder at all costs any attempts at curing bad breath? Think about it man.

chuckwho
07-16-2005, 03:31 AM
Hi Spits,

I agree with you about the Post nasal drip. I am scheduled for sinus surgery on Aug. 2nd. I pray it works. My breath has gotten worst over the years. As far as my sinuses go I have very few symptoms. I wonder if I have always had an infection. But never knew it before because I had no symptoms. We all may have an infection and don't even know it.

Remember that we produce about a quart of junk that goes down the back of the throat every day from our sinuses. You can clean your tongue all you want. But, there is constantly stuff going down your throat. So, with a bacteria infection in your sinuses it's just a matter of a few minutes that the bacteria causes sulfur again and we have bad breath all over again.

I will let everyone know what happens after the surgery. Please pray for me. Thanks everyone!

BUSTED2
07-16-2005, 06:57 AM
Hey Busted,

I use a Neti pot twice a day with sea salt+water and it helps my post nasal drip alot. It's still there but definetely reduces it dramatically. You can find them at yoga stores or sometimes health food stores.

K

Thanks

mya123
07-16-2005, 07:58 PM
I am really depressed today. I just started a new job and have been there less than a week and today I overheard some employees complaining about "the smell." They pinpointed it on me and then I heard one of them saying that they needed to tell the manager to fire me. Also I heard them saying something about the customers complaining. They are conspiring to get rid of me. Then I heard them talking to the manager but I could not make out what they were saying. I am so mortified and I really like this new job. Can they fire me for this? Is there any way to fight back.

I was on this diet and using the tung brush etc and I really thought I was doing well. I just cant believe this is happening all over again. Will this nightmare ever enD??? :(((

sosoblu
07-16-2005, 09:47 PM
hello
i'm new to the site and unfortunately i too suffer from this hanicap and it is all CONSUMING AND SOOOO DEPRESSING i have tried to brush with salt and baking soda first time i was amazed but like every thing else it always comes back i too feel i can't rest until i find a way to cope it just about kills me every time i get a reaction from my bb but sometimes i have to laugh just to keep from crying but i'm happy to know i'm not alone in this fight
stay strong fellow bb suffers

Thanatos86
07-17-2005, 04:37 AM
Mya123,

I'm so sorry. If I get one reaction from work, I'm devastated. What you're going through is something I don't even want to imagine. I fear a job that puts me in constant contact with people in enclosed areas.

What is your diet like now?

I really wish this nightmare would be over. We can step foot on the moon 35 years ago but today the scientific community is ultimately clueless on how to treat bad breath? The best we've got is Chlroine Dioxide developed mid-century and a new type of brush?

Just don't give up. If one of us ever gives up, the rest of us will lose more hope.

bradgm
07-17-2005, 05:44 AM
Chuckwho, I am really interested in the outcome of your surgery. Good luck!

Mya, you should try Thanatos sulfur free diet. It sounds like it would help you a great deal. Try your best to stay positive! We are all in this together.

Spits- I also suffer from extreme post nasal drip. Ive done everything under the sun (so it seems) to try and stop this crap. The thing that has benefitted me the most is eliminating dairy from my diet COMPLETELY. For the past week I have substituted water for every other drink I would normally have with meals or with a snack (Im drinking around a gallon of water a day). I still have a small amount of PND, but its gone down so much that its pretty much bearable. I still get a light white coating on the back of my tongue, but its not thick, it comes off very easily with a tongue scraper and it doesnt smell nearly as bad as it used to. Try this out if you havent already done so!

isaiah53
07-18-2005, 11:22 AM
Hi all,
I'm new posting to this board. I'm so glad it's available since I'm getting discouraged and it helps a lot with that. It really doesn't help that I can't tell "what state I'm in" breathwise, so it seems like I'm at the mercy of trying to gauge peoples reactions.
I've tried the diet and it really worked for me but it's very hard (and expensive) to maintain. The most challenging part to the diet is the "no caffeine, wheat,sugar or dairy,"... ARGGH! I forgot chocolate!
I have some ideas about the PND problem you might be interested in. I'm using the Grossman Nasal Irrigator (also an expensive purchase) and found it worked well with the Aerobic Oxygen drops, I mix them with water and the "Breatheasy XL powder" that comes with the Grossman machine. I've also made a nasal wash out of the Ativ Oxygen drops by Therabreath. At this point I'm willing to try anything... (My problem is more of a gut centered one, I'm having my gastro doc take a look inside next week.)
Thank God for this board!

Spits32
07-18-2005, 08:23 PM
I AM SOOOOOOOOO MAD!!!! I decided to get my nasal irrigator out from underneath my sink, dusted it off, and made a little weekly chart to post on my bathroom wall to check off and make sure I was using it twice a day. I used it once and then went to a party on saturday. I'm there for no longer than an hour when these two guys who are marines start arguing with me and threatening me. To make a long story short, my friends and I go outside to get the hell outta there and they follow us out and one of them clocks me right in the jaw. I went to the hospital and the doctor said I would have bled to death if I had not gotten treated. Anywho, I'm sitting here now with my jaw wired shut and I cannot eat, talk, or use my irrigator. However, I am interested to see how my bb will improve on a strictly liquid diet. I will let you guys know what happens to my bb and also let you know if the police find this guy so I can prosecute him. Also, thanks for the advice about the dairy thing, I have been drinking a lot of water since summer started, and rarely drink milk but have not cut dairy out of my diet completely. Take care everybody!

mearth
07-19-2005, 08:36 AM
Can anyone out there offer me the best aid in waking up without morning breath. I seem to manage fine during the day with H2O and gum,but when I wake up -watch out.

Thanatos86
07-19-2005, 10:11 AM
Ouch! How long will you have your jaw wired shut? Expect a full recovery?

Spits32
07-21-2005, 11:29 PM
Yeah they expect a full recovery in about 6 weeks. However, the bottom right part of my lip and chin are permanently numb from nerve damage. They gave me this prescription thing to rinse with since I can't open my mouth to brush my teeth, its called PerioGard. It makes my mouth feel pretty good. Also, anyone heard of Blis K12 throat guard? I heard its supposed to be for people recovering from throat infections but also that it helps with bb. Take care everyone, and I'll update you all on my liquid diet.

Thanatos86
07-23-2005, 10:43 AM
PerioGard contains Chlorhexadin Gluconate, a mouthwash that many of us have tried with some success. It tates very bad.

Many of us have also tried BLIS K12 with literally no success. There's a reason for it: Because "good breath" bacteria cannot colonize our mouths due to a lack of receptors. I'll spare eveyone here another long post with me ripping into BLIS =)

BUSTED2
07-23-2005, 03:16 PM
Does everyone here suffer from PND or does some of you have other causes?

Spits32
07-24-2005, 02:39 AM
I got pulled over for speeding at around 12:30. I had smoked a few cigarettes at a party I was at but did not drink because my jaw is wired shut and if I were to vomit I would suffocate on it and die. Anyway, I knew my breath wasn't the greatest and I played the sympathy card with my situation. It didn't work. The reason why?-- He told me I smelt like marijuana because the combination of the cigarettes and bb was probably atrocious. Slapped me with the full fine. BB strikes again. *Sigh*

bradgm
07-27-2005, 01:37 AM
Once I eliminated dairy from my diet, I started to take some supplements that were recommended by an herbalist in my area for post nasal drip. Currently, I am on 1200mg of NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine), 1600mg of Quercetin with 400mg of Bromelain, and 1500mg of vitamin C a day. This combination has done wonders for me.

NAC is an antioxidant that thins mucus and provides antiviral action.

Quercetin helps decrease mucus production and swelling by blocking the release of histamine from immune cells. Bromelain is an enzyme that has been shown to reduce swelling and inflammation in the sinuses.

Along with the supplements I have been drinking around 100 ounces of water a day.

I have been on this routine for almost 2 weeks and I am VERY pleased with the results. My drip has been reduced to almost nothing, but the only thing that I still have is an occasional stuffy nose. I stopped using the netti-pot about a month ago, but I think Im going to start that routine back up again as well to kick out the stuffy nose.

Godisgood
07-29-2005, 02:44 PM
Isaiah 53....I love your name.:) :angel:
It is very expenisve to keep this up...I haven't been able to keep up. How bad is your breath and do you have any body odor??

Thantos... have you been able to add anything else to your diet??

Bradgm...had it done anything for you breath??

Carragher
07-31-2005, 07:07 PM
What are these stones everyone keeps talking about and how do I tell if i've got them? Thanks all.

Diggler
08-01-2005, 06:11 AM
Found an interesting article from the BBC website.

See here (Preapproved by moderator1):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4719123.stm

An intersting take on the oral bacteria. Doesn't offer any hope for the short term, but maybe in the future.

Thanatos, whats your take on this?

isaiah53
08-01-2005, 08:12 AM
Isaiah 53....I love your name.:) :angel:
It is very expenisve to keep this up...I haven't been able to keep up. How bad is your breath and do you have any body odor??

Thantos... have you been able to add anything else to your diet??

Bradgm...had it done anything for you breath??

Dreamer555
08-01-2005, 08:14 AM
To all who have their tonsils - you may have tonsil stones!! :eek: Often the tonsils have crypts and these stones get lodged in there, hence horrible bad breath!

isaiah53
08-01-2005, 08:25 AM
Hi All,
Well, I had what you would call "a lost weekend".... pizza, pizza and more pizza, so of course the bb isn't so hot. I just couldn't stand to see another green leaf or sprout or bean! I need some sort of animo acid support, I crosstrain and I'm havng problems finding all the essentials aminos w/o using soy,wheat, or dairy (allergic to first two,but dairy causes massive bb).I have the fecal type of breath that doesn't seem to be mouth related,but I do have some PND. I've found that the clean diet works the best and I've all but given up on toothpaste/rinses except for Tung gel, they all lose there effectiveness over time. I've no BO problem (geez, can this get worse!?) so I count that as a great blessing. I had a gastroscopy on Thurs to rule out some stomach issues and she didn't see anything that would cause the bb either. Now, I'm back to just trying to live a reasonably normal life and not be so hypervigilant about my breath and reading peoples reactions. This is a day to day challenge for sure.


(Godisgood... "backatchababe!")

chelseagirl
08-02-2005, 10:47 AM
Re: finding a companion: just want to remind everyone that not everyone has an accute sense of smell -- I, for one, don't, and I knew a woman who had absolutely no sense of smell whatsoever. Also, some people might not react that strongly to slight bad smells, even if they perceive them. Rejection on the basis of BB is devastating -- I know -- but no risk, even when you feel somewhat confident, is a guarantee of loneliness. Sometimes, a woman (and maybe man) might be cool to you because she's working on a flirtation strategy (like, okay, now he thinks I'm desperate, I better act indifferent.) Of course, I know you know this, but the social anxiety we get from BB distorts perspective -- just a reminder to keep trying.

littlelonestar
08-02-2005, 04:37 PM
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Once I eliminated dairy from my diet, I started to take some supplements that were recommended by an herbalist in my area for post nasal drip. Currently, I am on 1200mg of NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine), 1600mg of Quercetin with 400mg of Bromelain, and 1500mg of vitamin C a day. This combination has done wonders for me.

NAC is an antioxidant that thins mucus and provides antiviral action.

Quercetin helps decrease mucus production and swelling by blocking the release of histamine from immune cells. Bromelain is an enzyme that has been shown to reduce swelling and inflammation in the sinuses.

Along with the supplements I have been drinking around 100 ounces of water a day.

I have been on this routine for almost 2 weeks and I am VERY pleased with the results. My drip has been reduced to almost nothing, but the only thing that I still have is an occasional stuffy nose. I stopped using the netti-pot about a month ago, but I think Im going to start that routine back up again as well to kick out the stuffy nose.


Bradgm, :wave:

I have PND as well , and I think that this is what is making my breath smell. Before I got PND I never got reactions or comments about my breath. I read about these products in a health book before, but I had no idea how to find these products, maybe I just did not really try to find them.Can I but these products at GNC?

Thanatos86
08-03-2005, 08:42 AM
Diggler,

It seems to me that this group of researchers are going to begin cashing in on the recent success of probiotics. They'll select the strain of methylotrophic bacteria that can be produced with the least amount of cost and warp studies around it to make it appear to be a miracle probiotic.

There are going to be relatively many of these "good bacteria" products hitting the market over the next ten+ years. While I am cynical, these products will eventually pave the way into better reasearch that will lead to better products...... but probably too late for all of us.

bradgm
08-04-2005, 02:06 AM
Bradgm, :wave:

I have PND as well , and I think that this is what is making my breath smell. Before I got PND I never got reactions or comments about my breath. I read about these products in a health book before, but I had no idea how to find these products, maybe I just did not really try to find them.Can I but these products at GNC?

Look for them online. You can find them for a pretty cheap price! If you do decide to get the supplements, make sure you are consistent with the usage. Dont stop after a couple of days just because you still have a little drip. I had a gradual decrease in the mucous over a 2 week span. Also, dont forget, no dairy and LOTS of water; this is so important. I suggest you try this routine out! Good luck! :cool:

mya123
08-07-2005, 11:04 PM
hello

was wondering if anyone has tried to have a colonic done before? I was thinking of trying it. I noticed online that after 4 colonics, a couple of people no longer had bad breath but am not sure how severe their problem is. I know mine is pretty bad may need more than 4 colonics. :(

Diggler
08-09-2005, 05:21 AM
Once I eliminated dairy from my diet, I started to take some supplements that were recommended by an herbalist in my area for post nasal drip. Currently, I am on 1200mg of NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine), 1600mg of Quercetin with 400mg of Bromelain, and 1500mg of vitamin C a day. This combination has done wonders for me.

NAC is an antioxidant that thins mucus and provides antiviral action.

Quercetin helps decrease mucus production and swelling by blocking the release of histamine from immune cells. Bromelain is an enzyme that has been shown to reduce swelling and inflammation in the sinuses.

Along with the supplements I have been drinking around 100 ounces of water a day.

I have been on this routine for almost 2 weeks and I am VERY pleased with the results. My drip has been reduced to almost nothing, but the only thing that I still have is an occasional stuffy nose. I stopped using the netti-pot about a month ago, but I think Im going to start that routine back up again as well to kick out the stuffy nose.

Brad,

Are you still taking these supplements and getting results PND wise?

How is the congestion also? Are you still clogged up?

Also, after eliminating dairy, what is the rest of your diet like? (much processed food, etc).

I'm fairly interested because I've bought these supps and am going to igve it a go.

Thanks. :wave:


Mya, don't expect colonics to stop BB, but they are great as part of a cleansing routine as a whole - which may well help BB.

bradgm
08-10-2005, 04:00 PM
Brad,

Are you still taking these supplements and getting results PND wise?

How is the congestion also? Are you still clogged up?

Also, after eliminating dairy, what is the rest of your diet like? (much processed food, etc).

I'm fairly interested because I've bought these supps and am going to igve it a go.

Thanks. :wave:


Yes, Im still taking the supplements. Everything is still going good. But, I still have some congestion and a tad bit of a drip right when I wake up. But as soon as I sit up the drip is gone and the congestion fades as the day progresses. My diet hasnt changed at all other than the elimination of dairy. I still eat every day foods. Just remember to stay consistent with the supps. Good luck!

Lexi85
08-10-2005, 04:44 PM
Hi all.

Mya, I feel your pain. I just started a new job two days ago at a veterinary hospital, and I know they've already smelt my breath. I work for 8 hours every other day, so chewing gum constantly hurts. I have very close contact with clients and with other workers. It's horrible. I feel so incredibly embarassed. This job would be so great if I didn't have this problem. Bad Breath puts restraints on every corner of your life.

Diggler
08-10-2005, 07:57 PM
Yes, Im still taking the supplements. Everything is still going good. But, I still have some congestion and a tad bit of a drip right when I wake up. But as soon as I sit up the drip is gone and the congestion fades as the day progresses. My diet hasnt changed at all other than the elimination of dairy. I still eat every day foods. Just remember to stay consistent with the supps. Good luck!

Thanks for the reply Brad.

I just have a few more questions for you if thats ok. :bouncing:

Do you still get a white coating on your tongue?

Does your saliva still smell when you do the 'lick test'?

Has your BB improved since your PND got better?

Many thanks, and its much appreciated.

:cool:

NMR1120
08-10-2005, 11:13 PM
I'm so glad I found this place. I've read up on all of the threads throughout the day, and finally just registered for a screen name so that I can post.

I must say, I feel all of your pain 100%. I've been suffering with bad breath since I was 8 years old, and can remember every single comment I've recieved. Some nights, when I'm just lying in bed, I'll think of them one by one. It's painful to relive, and I don't know why I do it. I'm 24 now, and still suffer. I've never went to a doctor for the problem because I was always too embaressed. But I won't be embarassed anymore. I will not let this problem control my life. I'm not going to let it consume what is left of me. But, I just don't know how much more I can take.

I noticed I can relate the most to Lexi85. I have both a strong dairy odor coming from my mouth, as well as when I breathe out of my nose. I've noticed that perhaps this is one of the rarer conditions? I say this because whenver I read up on various mouth/nose smells, I see fecal/fish/acetone, but mostly never dairy. I also read on a website today that if the same smell is coming from the nose that is coming from the mouth ie, a dairy odor in both, then it is originating from something in the body like the lungs. I'd rather not believe that, since that website was the only place I've heard that from. Most of the sites I've been reading though point to this odor being caused by the sinuses. I find it odd though, since I have absolutely no problems with my sinuses whatsoever.

Is it possible to have mouth/nose odor originating from the sinuses even if one has no sinus problems that they're aware of? Or even if they don't have any serious problems with their sinuses? I do clear my throat from time to time and notice occasionally that there is a bit of mucus in the back of my throat, my tongue is coated in the back and I have Geographic Tongue. I've never had tonsil stones. But really, my sinuses have never bothered me.

I also just ordered Therabreath Nasal Sinus drops today off of the internet, which costed me 19.00. Now, I've heard they only work for 2 hours at most, but as long as they work, I'll try them. If I can even get an hour of relief, I'll be happy.

Any advice you all can give me judging by my condition?

Thank you,
Nicole

bradgm
08-11-2005, 07:57 PM
Thanks for the reply Brad.

I just have a few more questions for you if thats ok. :bouncing:

Do you still get a white coating on your tongue?

Does your saliva still smell when you do the 'lick test'?

Has your BB improved since your PND got better?

Many thanks, and its much appreciated.

:cool:

Hey Diggler, no problem!

I still do get the white coating on my tongue, but ONLY when I wake up in the morning. I dont know what it is, but I cant get rid of the drip while Im asleep. :confused:

I do NOT get the old smell I used to get when I do the lick test. It smells a little bit musty, but Im pretty sure even people who dont have BB have this smell after they do the test. I got my older brother to do it (doesnt have bad breath at all) and he says it smells funny after he does it too.

As far as BB goes, I still have a somewhat bitter taste in my mouth when I wake up. But, if I go straight to the bathroom, brush, scrape, and rinse, im good to go. I still brush my teeth, scrape my tongue and gargle/rinse 3 times a day. I think this has just become a habit for me (a good one at that)!

I can safely say though, that these supplements have done the most for me as far as getting rid of the PND. I am very happy with the progress that I have made. And on a final note, I havent received any complaints or signs since Ive started this regimen. :cool:

bradgm
08-11-2005, 08:03 PM
I'm so glad I found this place. I've read up on all of the threads throughout the day, and finally just registered for a screen name so that I can post.

I must say, I feel all of your pain 100%. I've been suffering with bad breath since I was 8 years old, and can remember every single comment I've recieved. Some nights, when I'm just lying in bed, I'll think of them one by one. It's painful to relive, and I don't know why I do it. I'm 24 now, and still suffer. I've never went to a doctor for the problem because I was always too embaressed. But I won't be embarassed anymore. I will not let this problem control my life. I'm not going to let it consume what is left of me. But, I just don't know how much more I can take.

I noticed I can relate the most to Lexi85. I have both a strong dairy odor coming from my mouth, as well as when I breathe out of my nose. I've noticed that perhaps this is one of the rarer conditions? I say this because whenver I read up on various mouth/nose smells, I see fecal/fish/acetone, but mostly never dairy. I also read on a website today that if the same smell is coming from the nose that is coming from the mouth ie, a dairy odor in both, then it is originating from something in the body like the lungs. I'd rather not believe that, since that website was the only place I've heard that from. Most of the sites I've been reading though point to this odor being caused by the sinuses. I find it odd though, since I have absolutely no problems with my sinuses whatsoever.

Is it possible to have mouth/nose odor originating from the sinuses even if one has no sinus problems that they're aware of? Or even if they don't have any serious problems with their sinuses? I do clear my throat from time to time and notice occasionally that there is a bit of mucus in the back of my throat, my tongue is coated in the back and I have Geographic Tongue. I've never had tonsil stones. But really, my sinuses have never bothered me.

I also just ordered Therabreath Nasal Sinus drops today off of the internet, which costed me 19.00. Now, I've heard they only work for 2 hours at most, but as long as they work, I'll try them. If I can even get an hour of relief, I'll be happy.

Any advice you all can give me judging by my condition?

Thank you,
Nicole


Nicole- Even though your sinuses are fine, doesnt mean you are free of other problems, like post nasal drip. If you find yourself clearing your throat some and having the coating on the back of your tongue, its pretty safe to say that you have post nasal drip. (Same symptoms that I experienced) Look back a couple of pages and take a look at a post I made about some supplements to take, that will help you with your post nasal drip.

Those drops will help you out a lot! But, like you said, they last for about 2 hours and then the odor will return. But hey, they do their job, and if you can afford to buy them on a consistent basis, theyll benefit you a lot!

NMR1120
08-12-2005, 11:41 AM
Brad, thank you for answering my post! I'm really hoping that they will solve the problem. I'm at my wits end and my job is very demanding. I deal often with customers and other co-workers for long periods of time, and I feel that I'm just setting myself up for embarassment. The feeling is awful.

I'm using TriOral Toothpaste and Mouthwash though, not Therabreath. Will it be okay to mix the Therabreath Nasal Drops with the Trioral Toothpaste and Mouthwash? Or is it possible to use regular toothpaste and just gargle with 3% hydrogen peroxide instead? I want to make sure I get the full effect of the nasal drops, and I'm hoping the Trioral or regular toothpaste doesn't counteract their potency. I also use the Therabreath tongue scraper, but can't get to the very back of my tongue due to a very bad gag reflex. I usually just try to get as far back as I can without gagging, which isn't too far.

I'm going to look into getting a netti pot. Along with your supplements, do you still use some kind of drops for your nose? Or do you just irrigate with a salt water mixture? Therabreath seems to be a bit expensive and while I can afford it, I don't want to be wasting most of my paycheck on it. But then again when I think about it, I'll be thankful for the relief I get...so perhaps it'll be worth it. Unless I can find another alternative that works just as well without having to plunk out so much money for the drops. On average, how long would you say a bottle of the Therabreath drops last?

bgaines
08-12-2005, 08:13 PM
Try Dr. Fresh battery operated tongue scraper.
It really cleanse all the coating off the tongue and it's
under $ 3.00.

bradgm
08-12-2005, 09:52 PM
Brad, thank you for answering my post! I'm really hoping that they will solve the problem. I'm at my wits end and my job is very demanding. I deal often with customers and other co-workers for long periods of time, and I feel that I'm just setting myself up for embarassment. The feeling is awful.

I'm using TriOral Toothpaste and Mouthwash though, not Therabreath. Will it be okay to mix the Therabreath Nasal Drops with the Trioral Toothpaste and Mouthwash? Or is it possible to use regular toothpaste and just gargle with 3% hydrogen peroxide instead? I want to make sure I get the full effect of the nasal drops, and I'm hoping the Trioral or regular toothpaste doesn't counteract their potency. I also use the Therabreath tongue scraper, but can't get to the very back of my tongue due to a very bad gag reflex. I usually just try to get as far back as I can without gagging, which isn't too far.

I'm going to look into getting a netti pot. Along with your supplements, do you still use some kind of drops for your nose? Or do you just irrigate with a salt water mixture? Therabreath seems to be a bit expensive and while I can afford it, I don't want to be wasting most of my paycheck on it. But then again when I think about it, I'll be thankful for the relief I get...so perhaps it'll be worth it. Unless I can find another alternative that works just as well without having to plunk out so much money for the drops. On average, how long would you say a bottle of the Therabreath drops last?

Nicole,
Just to let you know, the drops will not 'solve' the problem. The drops will only mask the smell for 2 hours or so. But dont get me wrong, they will eliminate the odors in your sinuses from PND, but just temporarily. I do use these when I know I will be in close contact with people.. like at a party or with a girl. The bottle of drops will last you a good amount of time. When I solely depended on them, I used about one bottle per 2 weeks; give or take a day or so. I never got complaints when I solely used them and I was very happy with it. But, I just got tired of putting drops in my nose every 2 hours.

As far as what I do...(3 times a day excluding the nettipot in which I do 2 times a day)

When I wake up in the morning, the first thing I do is use the netti-pot with their saline solution packets. This thing is great! Using luke warm water, you can clear your sinuses of any gunk that built up overnight. I then drink a full glass of water to thin the mucous in my throat. I use my tongue scraper after drinking the water and make about 5 strokes over my tongue to clear any mucous buildup thats on it, so the following can get deeper into your tongue. After that, I brush my teeth with a half and half mix of salt and baking soda (scrape the tongue as much as you can with the mix, for it cleans it very well). Youll notice your mouth feels very clean after doing this. Spit out the mix after brushing but dont rinse with water. Make a hydrogen peroxide/ water mix and gargle and rinse with that on top of the baking soda/salt for 2 mins. Spit that out and scrape your tongue again 5 times. Then I usually rinse with plain water to get that bitter taste out of my mouth. THEN, I use my TUNG brush and gel (look it up on a search engine) and brush my tongue with it for about 45 seconds. This brush will make your tongue so pink and clean that youll fall in love with it haha. THEN once im done with that.. say if im going out with some people or to class, ill use a couple of therabreath drops just to guarantee myself that im fresh. Im almost positive I dont need to use the drops, but I do anyway.

Along with all this, I take the supplements that I talked about in an earlier post.

I know im paranoid about the situation, but I havent had a complaint or reaction from someone since Ive been doing this routine. My PND is very minute and only occurs now while I sleep. I sometimes purpously get close to someones face and talk directly to them, just to see if I can get a reaction out of them, but I have yet to get one since.

You should try out the salt/baking soda mix and the peroxide/water mix, just to see if it works for you. If not, go back with the trioral stuff. I just save a lot of money making my own mixes rather than buying the expensive bb products. The only stuff I buy now (which work the best in my opinion) are the supplements, therabreath drops (one bottle a month or so), the nettipot saline packets, and one tube of TUNG gel every 2 months or so (a little goes a long way with that stuff). Wow, this is a long post. But, if you have any other questions, ask away, please!

NMR1120
08-12-2005, 10:36 PM
Brad, you're my night in shining armour. Thank you so much. I realize that the drops will only mask the odor for 2 hours, but if I can get at least ONE hour where I don't have to chew a piece of gum, I'll be so delighted. The drops I've ordered haven't come yet, and I have work tomorrow from 9:00 until 6:30. It's going to be hell, considering I can't possibly chew gum for 9 hours straight. Hopefully this will be one of the last days I have to worry about being embarassed. This condition prohibits me from doing my job to its fullest. I really don't want my boss to be sorry she hired me..and I don't want to offend her clients. If I can get through tomorrow and Sunday (I only work on the weekends) without the drops, I'll be a happy girl. By the time next Saturday rolls around, I'll have the drops and I'm praying with all that is inside of me that they'll work. I would have gone to the store to buy the drops, so that I could avoid more humiliation, but that would mean that I'd have to actually face a cashier and I didn't want to offend him/her with my breath. Then that would mean I'd have to chew another piece of gum and the good Lord in Heaven knows that I'm all chewed out. That sounded rather nasty, actually.

I really don't see where else this problem could be coming from except from my sinuses. I'm praying that they do work, and praying that this will be the first time in 16 years I'll be able to talk freely to someone without chewing ten sticks of gum at one time or turning my head. Gum chewing is absolutely awful. You do it so much that you start to resent every stick gum on the planet. Now, if the drops don't work, then I'll go into yet another depressive slump and not be a happy camper. Hopefully that's not the case though.

I just looked up info on the Tung Brush and Gel, and it's available at my local Eckerd, along with the nasal drops, or actually the spray I should say, since that's the only form of the drops that they sell. Same thing, just in spray form. If these drops work, I'll nonchalantly walk into Eckerd to buy all the things I need. I'm planning my new life already, like I've done billions of times before. Except this time, I'm very confident that I'll actually be able to carry out with the plans.

Brad, how did you figure out that your problem was coming from your sinuses? Did you also have a bad smell coming from your nose and mouth?

You've given me a dash of hope when I thought there was none left. And for that, I thank you.

bradgm
08-13-2005, 06:39 PM
I really don't see where else this problem could be coming from except from my sinuses. I'm praying that they do work, and praying that this will be the first time in 16 years I'll be able to talk freely to someone without chewing ten sticks of gum at one time or turning my head. Gum chewing is absolutely awful. You do it so much that you start to resent every stick gum on the planet. Now, if the drops don't work, then I'll go into yet another depressive slump and not be a happy camper. Hopefully that's not the case though.

I just looked up info on the Tung Brush and Gel, and it's available at my local Eckerd, along with the nasal drops, or actually the spray I should say, since that's the only form of the drops that they sell. Same thing, just in spray form. If these drops work, I'll nonchalantly walk into Eckerd to buy all the things I need. I'm planning my new life already, like I've done billions of times before. Except this time, I'm very confident that I'll actually be able to carry out with the plans.

Brad, how did you figure out that your problem was coming from your sinuses? Did you also have a bad smell coming from your nose and mouth?

You've given me a dash of hope when I thought there was none left. And for that, I thank you.

Nicole, I just want to help people with the problem, because I know just how hard it can bring you down, and nobody should live like that.

I figured out that my problem was in my sinuses (PND) when I read to check for the coating on the back third of your tongue and to rub your finger on the coating and smell it after 10 seconds. It looked like mushed oatmeal and it smelled so bad. For the longest time, I just thought it was supposed to be there (dont ask me why I thought that, but I did), so I didnt think anything about it. The first complaint I heard was when I was 19 and it was from one of my friends who asked me if I had passed gas while riding in his car. I was like, um no I dont smell anything. I got this comment around 7 different times, from 4 different people (I remember each one so distinctly ugh) without ever smelling it myself. So it finally clicked in my head that I probably had an odor coming from my nose when I breathed out of it. :o The weird thing was, once I started scraping the gunk off the back of my tongue, I could smell the 'passing gas' odor from my sinuses. (I guess the gunk on the back of my tongue kinda drowned out the smell of the PND). I then realized when I cleared my throat, the odor would go away. So, that obviously meant, the odor was coming from the post nasal drip.

Another thing you could try is irrigating your sinuses with purified water and cinnamon oil (strongest bacteria killing agent percentage wise). I do this sometimes instead of putting the therabreath drops in. I mix one drop of cinnamon oil with a half cup of purified water. I then put the mix into a little spray bottle (the ones that spray a small amount of liquid at a time). I get on all 4's and put my head on the ground so that my chin is touching my upper chest. I then spray the mix into my nostrils until it starts to overflow out of them. Dont sniff the solution! Just let it sit in your sinuses. You may massage your sinus areas too. It burns for about 20 seconds in each nostril but it will go away. Let the mix stay in your sinuses for 3-4 minutes. Keep a towel handy because when you sit back up the solution will run out of your nose. Doing this will kill the bacteria that lingers deep in the sinuses. When I do this I feel so fresh afterwards, its great!

Lexi85
08-14-2005, 02:28 PM
Wow Brad, I'm glad you're here. I also ordered the Therabreath Drops. My symptoms sound almost identical to Nicole's, and I really hope they help!

Is it possible to have a different odor other than fecal coming out of the nose, that is related to the sinuses? I noticed that most people with the problems have fecal odors out of their noses, but never dairy. I was doing some research on the internet though and it said something about the skin in the sinuses having a cheesy smell and if you squeeze that skin, cheesy smelling gunk will come out. And also, it says that the tonsils give off tha kind of smell. I've never had trouble with my tonsils, and I've never coughed up any tonsil stones, but I guess that doesn't mean they're not there.

The Therabreath Drops are supposed to help tonsils, so really it kills 2 birds with 1 stone. I'm also going to look into ordering the Aktiv Oxygen tablets so that I can make my own rinse. It's able to be swallowed and should help the tonsils if they're the problem.

Nicole, I'm really glad you mentioned the drops. I saw them in Eckerd when I went to get the Therabreath Starter Kit two summers ago, but didn't pay any mind to them. I figured the problem was just coming from my mouth. Now I really think the sinuses are playing a bigger role.

NMR1120
08-14-2005, 04:53 PM
Lexi, I've also tried the Therabreath Starter Kit with no success. Personally, I think it's due to the fact that our sinuses give us trouble, but so do our tonsils/tongues.

This may not be new research to anybody else, but I've been looking information up regarding our condition, in order to teach myself. I've read that because of the PND, the mucus runs down our throat and embeds itself into our tonsil crypts, therefore creating the tonsil stones. Like Lexi said, I've never coughed one of them up before, nor do I ever see any, but that's because my tonsils are extremely small and I also suffer from a tremendous gagging reflex. The stones may very well be in there, I'm just unable to locate them. Dr. Katz also said something along the lines of "barely any breath conditions are caused mainly by the tonsils." He finished that sentence off by saying that although there are very few conditions that can pinpoint the tonsils as the main cause of breath odor, they can contribute by at least 2%. That must be where the tonsil stones come in.

And of course we have that awful coating on the backs of our tongues that are also caused by the PND. My coating seems to be yellowish in color. I always thought it was white, but taking a closer look today, I noticed a yellow color to it. Right now as I sit here, and pay attention to myself swallowing, I do notice that I'm swallowing a bit of mucus. It's that feeling where it's at the back of your throat. I don't know if I just got so used to it that most of the time I don't notice it, or if I'm just noticing it because I'm writing this. But either way, I know the PND is there.

The Aktiv Oxygen tablets sound cool, Lexi. I should check those out. They sound very promising because you can actually swallow the solution, and let it run down your throat. That could really get rid of whatever problems your throat/tonsils are causing.

I'm just really worried that after all of this stuff, my breath will still smell, because I will still have that coating on the back. I can't reach back far enough to scrape it off, and I'm deathly afraid of gagging.

bradgm
08-14-2005, 05:07 PM
it is still there bb i mean if i change diet

i want to remove it 100 %

Garfiola,

Reducing the BB by 50% would make a HUGE difference. Like Diggler said, change your diet. You have to be completely dedicated in these kinds of situations. Of course it would be great to get rid of it 100%, but you cant take gigantic steps with this kind of condition; its all about the small steps that lead to the bigger benefit in the end. Everything in life is this way! Dont just give up on the situation; dont let it beat you and drag you down.

I think a great start would be to fast. Just try it out and see if it helps any, like Diggler said. If it helps you, that obviously means the food you are consuming is causing your bad breath, and you need to change your diet drastically. Then you can go on from there.

Spits32
08-15-2005, 09:16 PM
Hey Brad,

I have a nasal irrigator, which im assuming is pretty much the same thing as a neti pot, and I know you mentioned using your own stuff is easier than buying it. I never know how much salt/baking soda/peroxide to use per amount of water or even to use these ingredients. But you mentioned saline packets? I'm just wondering what is a good combination of stuff to cram up my nose? Also I read somewhere to use NON-IODIZED salt which I do have. Congrats on eliminating your bb, I may have to buy those supplements if I'm not satisfied with the irrigation. Are they expensive/how long do they last until you have to re-order them?

- David

NMR1120
08-16-2005, 01:05 PM
I'm extremely mad. Yesterday I received confirmation from Therabreath that my Sinus Drops had shipped at 12:15 that afternoon. Today I go to check the UPS site to see exactly where my package was, and it gave me a delivery date of August 22nd! That's next monday! The thing that bothers me the most is that I ordered these drops last Wednesday. That means it will have taken the package two weeks to get here. Absolutely ridiculous. I can't go through another 9 hour shift at work without these things. I'm tempted to just go to Eckerd and buy them myself, along with a Tung brush and those tablets Lexi spoke of.

I've never heard of a package taking this long to get here. Am I just overreacting because I desperately need this package to be here? Or is Therabreath's shipping just ungodly slow? Usually once a package is shipped it takes two days at most to arrive at the destination. Gr..once again I'll be screwed at another day of work.

ginger65
08-16-2005, 03:57 PM
To PND sufferers

We all realise that PND plays a significant part in BB and in particular tonsil stones but it is important to recognise what is causing the PND. It would be prudent to identify any sinusitus problems and aim to get those resolved. I have posted many times that PND in the absence of diagnosed sinusitus is thought to be caused by LPR or Larnyngo Pharyngeal Reflux (American Sinus Centre). This reflux is what I believe caused my PND and cryptic tonsils having not noticed its presence for some time due to its silent nature. When LPR symptoms do present themselves it is in the form of tongue coating, bitter taste, burning throat and mouth,excess mucous, constant throat clearing, globus or something stuck in throat sensation, difficulty swallowing eg pills, blocked nose, stinging nostrils, tonsil stones, PND and of course BB. I am not saying that any of you with PND have LPR but it is worth considering especially as it can lay unnoticed for a long time until one by one the symptoms present themselves. The view from LPR boards is that one of the earlier indicators is regular coughing fits,enamel decay, cryptic tonsils and coughing up stones.

I have used the Grossan but he clearly states that unless you have a significant sinus problem then you should be careful using it. LPR mirrors sinusitus but is less established. Due to the frequent incidents of reflux into the throat and nasal passage the nasal cavity membranes become irritated by the acid and slow the cillia movement down hence the PND. I have used the Therabreath drops in the past and from measuring my nasal breath on the Breath Alert they are effective but only for a short time and are not a long term solution certainly financially. Also I think the nasal BB improves when any tonsil stone problems are resolved by surgery. They really are a nightmare.

Hope helps

Lexi85
08-16-2005, 06:40 PM
Ginger, that's really interesting. I'll have to look into that. I'm planning a doctor's visit soon, even if my current attempts to help my BB work. There's definitely something not right in there.

Thanatos86
08-16-2005, 09:48 PM
ginger, how accurate and consistent is the "breath alert" device?

isaiah53
08-17-2005, 07:39 AM
I would also like to know about this breath alert device. It would be great if we could monitor ourselves and not rely on the actions of others to our bb.
I've used the Grossman irrigator with much success. It's expensive but I've found that with regualr use (2xday) it helped cut down on the amount of PND and I figured what gets washed away won't be able to putrefy as much. Basically, it cut down on the odor coming from my sinuses. I don't think I have reflux as was mentioned just allergies of various types. I've made my own nasal drops with saline solution and either Activ Oxygen liquid(Therabreath) or Aerobic Oxygen, seemed cheaper to me and seems to work as well as the drops.

Bruce76
08-17-2005, 05:11 PM
Hi guys,

I'm new to these boards but I've recently been following all your posts.

I've been a chronic bb sufferer since the age of 13 and I'm 28 now. I've spent virtually everyday of those years consumed by this problem, avoiding talking direct to peoples faces, miming to people, waiting til they walk past to speak, chew through thousands of packs of gum etc - you get the picture.
Reactions kill me. My life seems to be a rollercoaster of just trying to make sure people don't realise I've got this thing. As we all know, it takes it out of you psychologically spending the whole day trying to avoid getting a reaction.

Like you guys I've spent so much on products with virtually no success.
I've tried everything. I reckon I could open a museum and put on show all the things I've tried!! The lead players are hardly worth it. Therabreath isn't up to much, Blis I thought would be my saviour - Zero success!

To give some of you all some hope, I held down a relationship with a beautiful girl from the age of 20 until we broke up a couple of months ago. I know bb played a part in us breaking up but we never used to really talk about it. Being in a relationship with BB is'nt easy. She knew I had it but I tried everything to ensure she wasn't too exposed to it. Always popping gum before we kissed, tongue scraping & mouthwashes before bed & even gum in bed at times!! She was so tolerant and used to ask me why we didn't kiss that much and I'd make up some excuse. She really loved me though so I guess that's why she stayed with me so long, up until she met someone else.

Since the break up I've thrown myself into bb research. I realise at this present time, the best we can do is minimize bb until Medical Institutions realise how serious this affects people's lifes and invest seriously in research.

Thanotos - I've switched to your diet and it's seriously helped to improve my bb. I have been monitoring with Breath Alert and I've noticed some great improvement in readings. I'm not sure it's the most accurate piece of machinery but when I got it, my bb nearly melted it !! Since switching to the diet, the readings have come down, especially in the mornings when I wake? Warning - it can make you depressed at times when it hits high level but I think it helps to give you an idea of what works for you.

Guys, sorry for the length of this post. Needed to get things off my chest and reading your posts have been a great help. There are times when we all want to give up but for our sanity, we must keep battling on.

littlelonestar
08-17-2005, 06:20 PM
I have had the bb alert for about 3 years now. The box has a disclaimer on it that says that the device DOES NOT detect all odors. I believe this because sometimes the device would say that I had fresh breath, but then I would get reactions from people. So I would say that the device is helpful but it is not a life saver. So, I have not been using the device in the last year or so. I do however think that using the device is an interesting way to test the smell that comes from your nose. The device is not to expensive it is only about 25$ bucks so it is a small investment if you want to buy it, but don’t expect any miracles! :jester:

Hey is anyone taking the NAC, Quercetin with Bromelain, and Vitamin C, for PND? I just bought some today and I will let you guys know how it works!

mearth
08-18-2005, 07:56 PM
I recently had a urinary tract infection and went on 1000mg of an antibiotic for 7 days. About 4 days after that my tongue turned white all over the top and the taste was very distinct from that of regular bb. I went to MD today and he has me swishing, gargling, and swallowing 4 ml of Nystatin 4 x day. Has this happened to anyone else? Have you tolerated the Nystatin? Did it rid your mouth of the candida(thrush)

ginger65
08-19-2005, 09:29 AM
Hi Thanatos,

I used the Breath Alert for 4 months but I lost it (doh!) and have been without it for the past 8 months. I found it quite addictive and was constantly looking at the readings every few minutes. When I had a high reading of 3 or 4 the only thing that would bring it down to 1 (no odor) was Therabreath gum. I still use this today though less often. How accurate it is I am not sure but my partner (non BB sufferer) was nearly always a 1 reading only showing more upon waking with morning breath and after alcohol which seems to knock it out. I was also actually mostly a 1 reading throughout my time using it but strangely this did not improve my confidence but conversely a high reading sent me into a panic. My worse readings were just prior to the train journey to work, meetings, social occasions and after consuming any meal. I feel this is down to the stress of close public contact and the reflux I was suffering after eating, drinking or bending over. I am going to invest in another one to see if my tonsillectomy has any effect on the readings and more importantly to monitor the effects of reflux incidents throughout the day. I am praying that correcting the reflux (surgery in next few months) will offer me a solution though I am realistic that it may offer no more than a fighting chance but that will do for now. Still the only time that I have been BB free I have been reflux and PND free. They might not be connected but I hope they are.

Note to Mearth

I was convinced that the thick oatmeal like coating was Candida but I took the Nystatin rinse for a couple of weeks and no change. You only get a small amount of suspension and I am not sure it is enough. Having read a few other posts on the reflux boards I now think my tongue coating primarily caused by acid reflux in my throat and mouth and that the raised white spots on the dorsum are inflammed circumvillate tastebuds with plaque attached. I still think that I have some form of Candida as my spit test is invariably cloudy and stringy (accuracy ?) and I am currently suffering from the worst ever groin fungal infection ever along with other candida symptoms of mood swings, extreme fatigue. I am going to have a private blood test done to see once and for all if it is actually present or not.

Diggler
08-20-2005, 04:44 PM
Guys,

I'm still in favor of using cleansing to cure this problem.

People over on the Acne board are having excellent results from doing colon cleansing.

I don't suffer acne, but am going to do their program in order to cleanse my colon - get rid of all the toxic garbage that is poisoning me from the inside.

The program consists of taking the following.

Activated Charcoal 260mg
Psyllium Husk (Capsules) 1000mg

Take this combination with Lunch and Dinner. (i.e. 2x a day, with meals)

Also, use probiotic supplements. They are suggesting Yakult (for the Lactobacillus Casei), but I reckon any good probiotic supp would work.

They say results may appear soon, but overall benefit will come from 3-6 months on the program.

I'm gonna try it for an initial 2 months, then get a colonic.

The Activated Charcoal adsorbs (attracts and sticks to) toxins in the colon, pulling them from the colon wall. The Psyllium Husk provides fibre which sweeps through, cleaning out all the Charcoal with the toxins stuck to it. You then crap it all out.

These products have many good things said about them on cleansing sites and forums.

Give it a try - the products are cheap as chips.

Heres the link:

http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=306789&page=1&pp=5

:bouncing:

BUSTED2
08-23-2005, 08:31 AM
Woah Brad that sounds like a lot of stuff you do. So you do that 3 times a day. What if you go to places for a day and you only have time to do this 2 times (in the morning + at night)?

bradgm
08-24-2005, 12:50 AM
Woah Brad that sounds like a lot of stuff you do. So you do that 3 times a day. What if you go to places for a day and you only have time to do this 2 times (in the morning + at night)?

Taking the supplements allows me to skip the 2nd cleaning when I have to. But, if I am able to do it, I take advantage of the time. These supplements help a lot!

Diggler
08-24-2005, 05:55 AM
hi Brad,

glad to hear the supps are still working. I have some ready to take but am just waiting to get some stuff out of the way before i start.

Have you ever missed a dose, or not taken them for a day? What happens if you do this? I suppose it would be nice to wein (sp?) you way off them in the future.

Cheers.

bradgm
08-24-2005, 01:40 PM
hi Brad,

glad to hear the supps are still working. I have some ready to take but am just waiting to get some stuff out of the way before i start.

Have you ever missed a dose, or not taken them for a day? What happens if you do this? I suppose it would be nice to wein (sp?) you way off them in the future.

Cheers.

Hey Diggler,

Yeah I have tried to go a day without taking them. The drip started to return that same day. :rolleyes: I just dont understand whats causing this post nasal drip. Ive taken supplements for 2 months thinking I had a 'leaky gut' but that obviously wasnt the case. Ive been on allergy shots for a while now.. no improvement with the drip or stuffy nose.

Im wondering if I have an infection still lingering in my sinuses somewhere. I still sometimes cough up yellow'ish mucous; which usually means its infected. I think I might try another ENT and see if they can give me a different opinion.

Obviously, this post nasal drip that we have is not ordinary and something is wrong with us. So far, these supplements are the only thing thats pretty much stopped the drip. But, I dont want to take them forever! :o

Diggler
08-24-2005, 05:54 PM
Thanks for replying Brad,

Its a shame that the PND came back after stopping for a short time.

Why did you suspect you had 'leaky gut'? and what supplements did you take for it?

Leaky gut is usually a byproduct of having a Candida infection in the intestines. Have you any Candida symptoms or taken any measures against candida.

One of my first cleansing measures was to ensure that I didn't have candida. I thought that i may have it as i have taken anti-biotics whilst suffering acne as a tennager. So i did an anti-candida diet (100% perfectly) for 1 month whilst taking Caprylic acid (anti-fungal) to see if i suffered a die-off reaction. I had no reaction so concluded I didnt have candida. My coloinc nurse also said I was fine on that front as no fermentation came out during my colonics.

Have you tried any other cleansing?

I'm going to try the NAC, Quercetin, etc soon but I have other things I wanna try first.

On a different note:
------------------

I've been reading on the acne forum lately (even though I don;t suffer from it) because I believe we have the same causes. One thing I found that supports what I've been tinking all along is this:

There are three ways to treat the problem (be it acne or BB):

1) Treat the symptoms (for acne use face wash, cream, etc, for BB use mouthwash). This is useless and doesn't achieve anything except short-term temporary relief- no point.

2) Supress the cause. (e.g. for acne take anti-biotics to kill the germs causing spots, or taking anti-oxidants to suppress histamine repsonse i.e PND). A step up- but still not ideal.

3) Treat the cause - cleanse your organs, especially the bowels and liver (the main digestion and detoxification organs). This is the only permanaent cure I have read about - in terms of both BB and acne.

The problem is that this is often the long way round which takes months, and people are just too lazy to do it and want to overcome their problem the easy(lazy) way by just masking symptoms (i.e. most people just wanna take mouthwash and have BB cured - not ever gonna happen unfortunately).

Let me know how you go, because your at least taking things to the next level and getting results which not many people on here have managed.

The only people I recall having succeed in helping their BB on here are:

Drmackay (cleansing) - permanentely cured
Tuctu (cleansing) - permanentely cured
Seeker (cleansing) - permanentely cured
Bradgm (suppressing histamine and digesting mucus)- yourself to a point where its manageable but comes back upon stopping.
Thanatos - by diet to an extent but I think he said it comes back upon stopping the diet (please update Thanatos, I hope your doing great).

SEEKER was the person who encouraged me into trying cleasing, and success or not, I owe him big time for this. I believe seeker got banned from this site a while back for a misunderstood comment, which is a shame because he was one person who was truely inspirational in overcoming this problem. Seeker if you are reading please understand how grateful i am for your help. Please do all you can to come back to the boards.

Therefore my conclusion is that the only way to cure BB (or acne- same boat) is by cleansing. They can be suppressed but this is still temporary. Mouthwashes and creams(for acne) are never going to stop the underlying problem (people seriously need to realise this and stop pretending they can beat it without hard work).

Sorry for the long post but this is my genuine take on this. Put it this way - the real life evidence speaks for itself. drmackay, tuctu and seeker cured themsleves of BB by cleansing (who else has permanently by other methods - please enlighten me), people on the acne forum have cured themsleves permanently by cleansing (who else has permenetly - no one i guess).

I'm on a long road and am hoping that soon i can be clean and say I've done all I can to defeat my problem, only then if it hasnt gone away will I give in.

Sorry again, but this is my honest view and I beg to be corrected by someone who has PERMANENTLY cured their problem by other means.

Diggler.

denny33
08-24-2005, 09:12 PM
:wave: HI GUYS!!!! Missed me? lol

Ive not been around lately as i moved house only just bck online (THANK GAWD!!) i notice a few new names and ive had a good read of the posts till now..but hey guess what?......

Im not sufferin from BB anymore. I still get a small degree of morning breath but after brushing im good to go and its lasting all day.

YES YOU READ IT RIGHT...I NO LONGER HAVE A PROBLEM...well a major BB one anyway.

Im not kidding, i suffered with it for most of my life,if not all of it!! i know what it means to have BB and right now i dont have it.

..some of you will remember i got on to the whole PH level thing and i was waiting for a product called Vaxa buffer PH to arrive?
It alkalizes the acid in the body/mouth. Have a read on it.
As soon as i started taking them i started to notice a difference, my mouth felt neutrual, i drank loads water with it and ate foods that are alkaline rather than any acid forming foods (u can get some good lists on the net).

im tellin you it is MUCH better i drank a cup of coffee during the day the other day and usually i couldnt do that without bein able to brush my teeth afterwards coz of the horrible taste and smell it left behind. but now..there was no bad taste, no bad smell i made a point of talking closely to a lady in the supermarket and she didnt flinch!
My mouth has more saliva, no dry mouth , i can feel the air i breath into my nose hit the back of my throat which i NEVER felt before i was always mucussy.
I understand the cleansing and it has its benefits but it didnt work for me, maybe i didnt do it long enuff..in fact i know i didnt do it long enuff lol love my food! :nono: but i went out for dinner,went to a club afterwards,had drinks chatted,laughed and no reactions just people being normal towards me..a true first for me..seriously.

Its an on going process coz habitually im still aware of my open mouth but im pleasently suprised when i dont get those looks and reactions ive got all this time. im tryin not to believe TOO much just in case im let down but its not happened so far and its been a month since i started taking them.

Anyway nice to be able to post once again, look up the VAXA buffer PH guys and see if you wanna give it a go.
No promises (garfiola) but its working for me.

Looks like i got here just in time diggler lol purely coincidental
ciao4now
:)

olivia33
08-24-2005, 09:48 PM
Bradgm -

I am convinced that post nasal drip is caused by food allergy/intolerance. I have horrible pnd (and a bad taste in the back of my throat and BB) whenever I consume alot of dairy. When I steer clear of it, I have NONE. Allergies, sinus, PND and asthma all stem from a wacked out immune system/faulty digestion. Not sure which causes which. What wacks the immune system? Food allergy or intolerance, but few people realize it. Try keeping a diary of what foods you are eating and note when you have increased PND. Eggs, dairy, wheat are the ususal suspects.

This theory explains why clean diets, cleanses and colonics help - they clear the allergen/offending foods and the mucus they cause from our systems. I think most of us have a food intolerance or sensitivity and the symptoms are minor so we don't realize it. Symptoms like PND, bad breath, sinus congestion, bloating, gas. But if you got a severe stomach ache and constant diarhea whenever you ate a certain food, you'd get the connection immediately! This also explains why some people can eat absolutley anything, forget to brush their teeth and still have fresh breath - they don't have any food allergies! We do.

Your supplements work because they work on digestion. Bromelain is a digestive enzyme. NAC heals the digestive track. Querticin shuts off allergic response (including food allergens). Ayurveda (Indian Medicine) prescribes digestive aids for sinus, PND and allergy problems. They see a very strong connection between weak digestion and these problems we are having.

Diggler
08-25-2005, 04:11 AM
Hi Olivia,

You're right about food intolerance causing PND and sinus blockage. Have you tried doing a intestinal cleanse?

There is a thread over on the acne forum about it called something like 'Digestive System Cleanse to Cure Acne'. They are saying they get good results from cleansing their system using Psyllium husk and Activated Charcoal.

The charcoal absorbs toxins, whilst the psyllium provide bulk to sweep it away and out of you.

Give it a try. They take 1000mg cap of Psyllium Husk and 260mg cap of Activated Charcoal, twice a day, after meals.

Denny,

Its great to hear that you're free of the problem. Do you take the ph thing constantly, or have you stopped taking it now?

Take care.

denny33
08-25-2005, 07:40 AM
Diggler

I started taking them just over a month ago, 6 a day till just recently, as my ph is now at correct levels most of the day (except 1st thing is the morn, which is a normal) im taking 4 a day now and then i'll look at it again.

As i mentioned im eating more alkaline based foods, which has also helped the process im sure.

Im not saying "ive found the cure" but since addressing this PH issue and using the vaxa im finding i can eat things that contain dairy and not get the same symptoms as i used to get. My mouth feels cleaner,lighter and my tongue is pink most of time etc,and more importantly theres no offending gas coming from my mouth and nose!.. its all good.

Im going to be ordering something called ORAMD, which is a tooth oil that helps regenerate receding gums and kills bacteria that is buried deep in the tooth/gums that you cant usually get to. And also chinese chlorella which is an inner body deodorizer...just to cover all the bases :)

But the vaxa is working a treat, better than i thought it would to be honest.

Anyway better get some work done!

bye4now
:wave:

Lexi85
08-25-2005, 05:20 PM
Hi everybody.

I went to Rite Aid today and bought a Tung Brush along with a big tube of Tung Gel, after hearing all of the good comments from everybody who uses them. I still can't get to the back of my tongue without gagging (my reflex is TERRIBLE), but I'll keep trying..because I want to at least help the problem by Monday (my first day back at school). Question to those who use the Tung Brush/Gel: This brush supposedly makes the tongue very pink. Did you see results right away? I also have Geographic Tongue, which makes my tongue look very white and coated in spots. Does anybody know if this Tung Brush will help the problem?

I was reading an article yesterday which claimed that a coated tongue could actually cause mouth AND nose air to foul up. Could this possibly be the whole reason why my breath smells? I mean yes, this is all due to post nasal drip. But, the tongue is the source of most bad breath right? Is it possible that the extremely funky, yellow/whitish coating on the back of my toung is the main culprit of my bad breath coming out of my nose and mouth?

Makes me wonder...

Denny, do you know if this Vaxa Ph is available at GNC or other stores? How big are the pills? I'm awful with swallowing pills. But, if you say it's helped you, I'm willing to give it a go!

Although, is it possible to get the same results by just changing eating habits and going on an Alkaline/Acid diet? Because I've been reading up on that and it doesn't seem like too much of a sacrifice for me. I'd be willing to give that a shot over the pills.

olivia33
08-25-2005, 06:50 PM
Diggler -
I have been taking psyllium for years for regularity, maybe I'll add charcoal. I tried oxy and did not like it, dropped off it after 5 days. The psyllium seems to be a more effective cleanser. What's working for me is green powder drinks(alkalinizing), clean diet, lemon water, supplements for allergies/digestion and tung brush & gel.

Lexi85
08-25-2005, 10:12 PM
Ok, wow. I'm totally seeing results with this Tung Brush already. Of course, not in the front too much because my Geographic Tongue is pretty white. There's certain spots where there's patches of extremely white circles, but towards the back where the main coating was, it's pink. I couldn't get all of it, because like I said, my gag reflex is still pretty bad, but I got some and I can really see a difference! However I went to do a lick test and I didn't even have to wait before the saliva dried to tell it smelled funky. The only thing I can compare it to is my dog's saliva..which is EXTREMELY bad. Mine isn't as bad as his, but it's up there. I think this was because somebody threw out my TriOral rinse and I'm all out of peroxide. At least I can say the Tung Brush is a smashing success! I can't wait until I can reach all the way back to scrape away the nasties! Down with tongue gunk!

Is it possible that the same smell that comes from my mouth and nose are actually caused by my tongue? Normally the nasal odor and mouth odor differ from eachother, but mine are both the same. Perhaps when the air passes through the back of my tongue/throat, it picks up the smell from the tongue coating and goes out through my nose?

denny33
08-26-2005, 07:51 AM
lexi

No i dont think you should just do the alkaline diet instead of trying the VAXA, you obviously can as thats your choice, but you'll be carrying the BB around with you for much longer...cleansing is ok but it takes a long time to notice any changes..personally i need to see results quick or i lose interest.

I ordered off the net, i live in uk so not sure if you can get it in shops over there.

good luck
denny

ginger65
08-26-2005, 08:19 AM
Hi Denny,

Really pleased that u appear to have cracked your BB. I know you along with me were a firm believer in the need for the mouth to maintain a neutral to alkaline PH. Your findings support this and I will certainly invest in the PH buffer asap. Do u think that it has neutralised the acid you were getting into the throat and mouth and that this is how it worked ? I was wondering if you feel the buffer and diet change has resulted in you producing less stomach acid to reflux ?

My view is that there is no one single solution to the problem in the same way as there is not one single cause. Cleansing our bodies is not a bad thing but it may not cure BB for everyone. We seem to be going back to the same culprits again and again namely PND and tongue coating. In your example your PND and tongue coating was as the result of acid in your throat, mouth and nasal cavity changing your PH and interfering with your cillia movement. You have neutralised the effects of this negative process. Source of problem identified, steps taken to address problem, solution achieved. As I have said before in the absence of sinus infections and known allergens exposure to low level acid is in my view the cause of PND and the associated tongue coating and BB. The only periods I have been completely BB free such as you are experiencing now are when I have had no reflux symptoms including blocked nose and PND. I require anti reflux surgery to correct Hiatus Hernia and loose LES so I am a bit more encouraged that you have achieved success by reducing the effects of your acid problem.

Any info on alkaline diet greatly appreciated

Best of luck to you.

denny33
08-26-2005, 01:58 PM
Hi Denny,

Really pleased that u appear to have cracked your BB. I know you along with me were a firm believer in the need for the mouth to maintain a neutral to alkaline PH. Your findings support this and I will certainly invest in the PH buffer asap. Do u think that it has neutralised the acid you were getting into the throat and mouth and that this is how it worked ? I was wondering if you feel the buffer and diet change has resulted in you producing less stomach acid to reflux ?

My view is that there is no one single solution to the problem in the same way as there is not one single cause. Cleansing our bodies is not a bad thing but it may not cure BB for everyone. We seem to be going back to the same culprits again and again namely PND and tongue coating. In your example your PND and tongue coating was as the result of acid in your throat, mouth and nasal cavity changing your PH and interfering with your cillia movement. You have neutralised the effects of this negative process. Source of problem identified, steps taken to address problem, solution achieved. As I have said before in the absence of sinus infections and known allergens exposure to low level acid is in my view the cause of PND and the associated tongue coating and BB. The only periods I have been completely BB free such as you are experiencing now are when I have had no reflux symptoms including blocked nose and PND. I require anti reflux surgery to correct Hiatus Hernia and loose LES so I am a bit more encouraged that you have achieved success by reducing the effects of your acid problem.

Any info on alkaline diet greatly appreciated

Best of luck to you.

Hi Ginger

Yes as i remember you were on the same lines as me with ph.
I def think the vaxa has neutralised the acid in the throat and mouth, i used to have a horrible sharp acid taste in my mouth,my spit was acidic..i did a test with PH STIX at the beginning (dont buy the ph paper,wasnt very good reading, stix are much better), and the acid in my spit was through the roof! but it didnt suprise me coz i could literally taste it!

I dont know about my body producing LESS acid,maybe it is now because of the food im eating,but the buffer seems to keep the acid away/neutralise the places in the body it shouldnt be ,ie mouth and throat etc ... it really has made a difference.
I know i'll have to keep it in check, but its a small price to pay to get some relief!

I agree ,there is no single solution to this , cleansing has its place,its worked for some, but i needed to know,not just how best to clean the coated tongue with different products, but WHY the tongue was coated,WHY we were getting PND and other (non BB sufferers) were not.

All processed foods are acid producing,as well as alcohol,meat,pocorn,pasta,bread..the list goes on. I suspect the reason seeker solved his problem was because unknown to him he was eating more alkaline producing foods than acid producing ones. To him he was cleansing, to me, he was adjusting his PH.

I bet everybody on here has a high acidic ph level. The only difference between us and non BB is probably that their alkaline level in the mouth is there!.The vaxa adjusts your acidic where you should be alkaline and visa versa

I dont think BB sufferers have allergies and that was why we all have BB,that might be the case for some... PH balance is very important its not given the credit it deserves and is the one thing most people dont keep in check.

I'll post a list of alkaline producing foods a little later on.

ciao4now everyone
denny
:wave:

olivia33
08-27-2005, 10:46 AM
And allergies are caused by an overly acidic system. It all ties together. ;) For those interested in alkalinizing, read "The Ph Miracle" written by a PhD. It has info on which foods are alkalinizing, which are acid forming, how to cleanse, which supplements to take, covers candida, digestion, enzymes, allergies, and how it's all related. Even has a ton of recipes. Well worth the $14.95.

lucky59
08-27-2005, 02:12 PM
VAXA buffer PH guys and see if you wanna give it a go

Hi Denny, I have had a look and notice the product is homeopathic. It also contains Sodium Bicarbonate, Potassium Bicarbonate, Calcium Carbonate, Aloe Vera, Berberine Alkaloid (whatever that is) and Cucumber apparently.

Now I don't know about you but once I hear the word homeopathy I stop listening. Rather than being unscientific I would describe it as anti-scientific.

I wish you well and hope your success continues, however you've arrived at it.

lucky.

denny33
08-27-2005, 02:42 PM
lucky my friend, if we were to depend on science we would all still be using listerine mouthwash and hoping for the best.

I am a big fan of homeopathic medicine, my take is that we were given everything we need to survive on this earth,its all there for a reason..its why you can eat a lemon and not get scurvy! lol or use pure peppermint oil to brush your teeth,its all around us.

Scientific methods couldnt help me with BB thats for sure.

Alkaline based foods,Vaxa ph,closys II and tung brush +gel thats it,and im not even using the tung brush/gel at mo coz i dont need to. I dont think i could eat a curry,not brush my teeth and wake up with fresh breath but im going through the day without any nasty taste/smells coming from this hole in my face so im happy :)

Its working for me,thats all i can say, try it,dont try it.........

ciao 4 now guys
denny.

carligni
08-28-2005, 04:33 PM
Hi denny.

Do you suffer from acid reflux?

Bruce76
08-29-2005, 06:28 AM
Hi Denny,

Great news that you're achieving results using the Vaxa :)

I also live in the UK and was wondering where you bought the Vaxa from??
I've done a search and it seems to be only available in the US.
Did you get it shipped over?

isaiah53
08-29-2005, 08:41 AM
Hi All,
Here's a list of PH friendly foods that I remember jotting down from Seekers' e-mails and my reading of the book "The PH Miracle". In my research I've found that the lists of good/bad PH foods differ from author to author but the following are pretty much agreed upon.

No dairy,meat, coffee, tea, soda pop, chocolate, sugar & sweeteners, processed foods, fruit juice, alcohol, wheat products, white flour, potatoes,just to name a few. That leaves you with rice, beans, vegetables and a few fruits, ( apples, watermelon, oranges, pears, pineapples are the best) fruites are to be used very sparingly.

I have to tell you that this is hard to maintain but worth it, I think we need to use multiple approaches in dealing with our bb. Giving up caffeine is the worst! :eek:

Garrett8899
08-29-2005, 10:29 AM
Denny-
Good to hear from you! And I am glad Vaxa has worked for you, I remember in early summer we were all testing Ph. I have ordered it and will let you know. How long did you take it before you saw results?

Lucky, how have you been? Still using the tung gel?

lucky59
08-30-2005, 09:35 AM
Lucky, how have you been? Still using the tung gel?

All the time. I think it's the best product out there (for me).
And I'm well. You?

lucky.

chuckwho
08-31-2005, 04:21 AM
Hi everyone,

Well I had my sinus surgery on Aug 2nd. It was not fun. But, I'm glad I had it done. For those who do not know me, I have suffered from bb for about 30 years. I have tried everything under the sun. Some things worked better then others, but, they would only work for a very short time.

Over the years my breath has gotten worst. I have been to ENT specialists, dentists and stomach doctors. But, know one could help me. One would say it came from my stomach and another would say it was coming from my mouth or sinuses. It has been very frustrating over the years. But in the last five years my breath has gotten a lot worst. I finally thought I would give a different ENT doctor a try. Had the X-rays and CT scan. I have post nasal drip. They found an infection. So I have surgery.

The doctor came to my bed after and said that my sinuses were extremely infected and when they operated on my sinuses the smell filled the operating room. He said it was really bad. The first week my breath was still bad. I was told to irrigate my nose 6 times a day. and I took antibiotics too. By the second week the smell was gone! The white coating is gone! I can eat anything and no smell! Praise God! I still have some PND but no smell! The PND did not cause the smell it was the infection that caused the smell.

Another thing that I have noticed is that my farts use to really smell bad and my poop would be soft and really smell. But, since my surgery that has also changed. I hardly smell when I fart and my poop is hard and has very little smell also.

All that infection would go down the back of my throat and coat my esophagus and fill my stomach with infection. I think that I have all ways had an infection most of my life and didn't know it. Over the years the infection worsened.

Everyone you need to find an ENT doctor that will help you. If one won't help find another. I can't explain what it feels like to talk to people and not have them walk away or grab there noses every time I talk. I'm still worried and am all ways looking for a reaction. I guess it will take time to get over that. I have spent a fortune over the years trying to find a cure. All I need was a good ENT doctor that was will to help me. I hope you will all find one too!

peachpit
08-31-2005, 04:55 AM
congragulations chuckwho!
I remember you from the first set of threads also, we've pretty much had the same symptoms. I'm pushing 40 myself and mine is getting worse than ever, been about 15 years for me. I thought my tonsilectomy would fix it last year, but nothing.
What kind of sinus surgery did you have, did it have a special name?
How did you convince your ENT to push the issue? I've been to a few throughout the years and told them about my breath and they told me everyone has bad breath at times. I would stress mine is constant and even my wife told him, and he was even holding his breath a few times when he examined me and looked from the sides. I've been to a few that were similar.
But I've been noticing my breath really getting worse. I also notice the toilet and farts exactly as you described. Sometimes my wife will ask me if I passed gas, usually I just say yes even though I know it was my breath, and when I do pass gas watch out.
Lately I can walk out of my office and when I come back I can smell my smell, sort of a cross between body odor and feces, even with brushing/gum/and the endless amount of things I've tried and listed here.
I would love to get mine solved once and for all...

Diggler
08-31-2005, 09:59 AM
Thats great to hear Chuckwho.

Did you used to have a smell coming from your nose as well as the mouth?

Thanks.

chuckwho
08-31-2005, 04:44 PM
Hi Preachpit,

Yes, I remember you too. Preachpit I'm so ecstatic you wouldn't believe it. I went to the mall today and talked to several people with no reaction what so ever. I stood there talking with my head held high, with confidence. It has been years since I did that. Usually I have my head turned away. With a quiet voice so the air (smell) won't travel as far. People at work are talking to me with no reaction. You can see that some are hesitant, then they realize I don't smell anymore and they come closer and spend time talking to me.

As to your question:
What kind of sinus surgery did you have, did it have a special name?

It was called sinus surgery for chronic sinusitis - the ENT told me that I had a really bad "deviated septum". The deviated portions of the septum had to be removed. The operation took about an hour and a half.

How did you convince your ENT to push the issue?

I really didn't have to convince this one. He really seemed to care a lot. And, I think the problem finally got so bad that they noticed the problem. Have you had a CT Scan if not I would demand it. You have to get strong with them. Like I said before I have been told by ENT's that I do not have a problem. But, they were wrong! Why is it after the surgery I have no bad breath any more. If it wasn't my sinuses then I would still have bad breath.

I believe I have all ways had an infection but it was mild. Just bad enough to give me bad breath but not bad enough for the ENT's to care about it. For some reason when we have an infection like this we smell. While others don't. You must get rid of the infection! The infection and mucus coat the back of the throat and down the esophagus where you can't reach it. The bacteria continues to grow and you can not get rid of it.

Good luck Preachpit keep searching for that ENT it will work!

Diggler - thank you I'm so happy!

Did I have smell coming from my nose. - Not for many years but, in the last few years I would have to say yes. There were times when I would be sitting in the car and my wife would ask if I farted. I knew I didn't and I couldn't smell anything and like preachpit I would say yes. So, as the infection became worst I started to get a smell from my nose. But, not all the time.

ginger65
08-31-2005, 08:10 PM
HiChuckwho,

Really pleased that you along with Denny have found some relief. I can certainly concur with the gas and poop thing and it's beginning to make sense now. I feel I have infected PND which as you describe is coating the esophaegus and finding it's way eventually into the gastro-intestinal tract. It also makes sense that this mucous is also the primary source of tongue coating and food for the anaerobic bacteria.

Pleased that the thread is back concentrating on the issue of chronic sinusitus and PND. Dr Katz does not refer to it at length for no reason. The key seems to be to determine what is the cause of the sinusitus ranging from a structural defect such as deviated septum in Chuck's case to acidic PH levels in Denny's case. It may of course be an allergen that is the cause but I feel where possible it is worth through a sympathetic ENT looking at any sinus damage. In my own case I feel that frequent daily incidents of LPR cause me to have in effect a chronic sinus problem with the associated inflammation and thick PND even though on a reflux free day I would not have a visible sinus problem.

We should welcome anyone's success at overcoming this affliction and take heart from it. I also feel the thread and it's members should consider these successes and how they may help us.

Lexi85
08-31-2005, 08:46 PM
So glad that some have found relief. While I think my problem is related to the sinuses, I don't think I have an infection. One reason is because I don't have a fecal smell coming out of my nose. The smell that comes out of my nose is the same that comes out of my mouth...which is a spoiled milk odor. I believe this problem is now coming from the back of my tongue. It sort of makes sense to me. The condition has gotten worse over the past ten years, and I suppose that's because the coating keeps getting thicker. It makes sense that the same smell would be coming out of both places and would be related to the tongue. The air I breathe has to pass over the back of my tongue to come out of my nose, correct? Also, I get a lot of plaque in between my teeth if I don't floss (but most of the time I always make sure to). The plaque in between my teeth also smells of rotten dairy products.

Coincidence? Or just further proving my point that tongue plaque is causing the problem?

oioi
09-01-2005, 12:26 AM
i'm so happy for you chuckwho!! I now think my problem is my sinuses. I used to think it was my tonsils but I bought a Power fflos (a hand pump) to clean the holes of my tonsils but I still have bb.

I've been to see an ENT a few months back. he just had a quick look down my throat and said I was fine. I've always had PND and it was really thick untill I gave up dairy. But it's still there! I can feel it right now as I type.

I irrigated my nose the other day and I had a lot of pain at the back of my throat. when I spat out the water It had some blood in it. but wow, my nose felt really clean and my head felt lighter. I irrigated when I knew I was going to be alone for a few hours because the last time I irrigated my nose my friend asked me all the time if I had farted. And that's what people ask me If they've had a whiff of my bb.

I want to go to the doctor again but they all say that I'm fine. One said I was paranoid and that I needed to be brave and talk to people to their faces. the very same day my mum and dad said that I had bb. But having said this it's not going to stop me from trying again. trying a different doctor. We've got to keep pushing this issue!

It just makes sense. If my dentist says that my teeth and oral health are great it must be something to do with my sinuses.

Do you think I should irrigate my nose everyday in a hope that it will clear up and run the risk of having fart smell coming from it?


I'm not going to give up. chuckwho didn't!!!

chuckwho
09-01-2005, 03:11 AM
Ginger65 - one of the biggest problems with sinus problems is that they are very hard to treat. Once the infection sets in it is very hard to get rid of it. Even if you use antibiotics The only sure thing is surgery. As I said before I still have some PND but I am still healing from the surgery. But, I do not have the bad breath. So, it is not the PND pursa it is the infection that is causing the bad breath. The PND is a carrier for the infection. The smell on my breath did change over the years. By the end my breath smelled like cow manure or horse manure. You know the smell when you drive by a farm that has just fertilized his field. GROSS!!!!

Garfiola - The surgery wasn't to bad. For three days I had they nose stuffed with gauze. I had to breath through my mouth. It was difficult to open my mouth to brush my teeth. But, there was not much pain. After three day I went back to the doctor and he pulled out the gauze from my nose. That was a little difficult but it was quick and the pain was gone. For the next three weeks I had to irrigate my nose at least 6 times a day. I irrigated every 2 hours. If anyone gets this operation try to take at least 2 weeks off work so you can be sure to irrigate as much as possible. I did have blood come out for the first two weeks. But not much pain. I have gone back to the doctor every week since. My last checkup was on Tuesday. He was very happy with my nose. I don't have to go back now for a month.

Don't be afraid garfiola, your sinuses will only get worse. You know the saying no pain no gain. But the pain is very little considering what they have to do in there. Please Please don't live your life like I have over the years. The pain of being an outcast. Afraid of talking to people even family. It is not worth it. You must seek help. Everyone in this forum has tried everything and nothing has work for any length of time. We keep going around and around in circles. You must find an ENT that is willing to help.

Lexi85 - I didn't think I had an infection either for years I didn't have any symptoms at all. All the way to the end. Except I had PND. I had coating also but now it is gone. I started getting the coating about 4 years ago. I never had it before. It continued to get worse. By the end I couldn't eat anything or drink anything with out getting a thick coating on my tongue. This to was caused by the infection. The bacteria would feed off the food. You stated:
The air I breathe has to pass over the back of my tongue to come out of my nose, correct? I don't think so. Like I said before I didn't always have a smell coming through my nose. But, man I had a really bad smell coming from my mouth.

oioi - I too thought the cause of my bad breath was coming from my tonsils. I had them removed about 14 years ago and it didn't help my bad breath at all. I know how you feel about the ENT I too had one that just took a quick look and said there was no problem. I continued to suffer because he was the doctor and he would know. Right? Wrong!!!! Go to your ENT tell him that you have so much PND that you are having a hard time swallowing Maybe that will get him to look a little harder. You must try for a CT scan. Im glad your not giving up. There is a life out there for you.

lucky59
09-01-2005, 04:40 AM
Really happy for you chuck

lucky.

bradgm
09-01-2005, 04:46 AM
Chuckwho, that is so awesome!

Im going to make an appointment tomorrow, to have another visit with the ENT. Im about 80% sure I have an infection!

Congratulations!

peachpit
09-01-2005, 08:31 AM
me too, I'm preparing my list to show the ENT so he will let me get a ct scan.
Gonna get a referral from my doc tomorrow to see the ent as soon as possible.
I actually have a little hope again, thanks chuckwho.

olivia33
09-01-2005, 09:04 AM
Chuckwho -
My ENT did a CAT scan on me about 6 months ago and said there was no infection or fungus ball, just some imflammation from years of allergies. Yet I still have PND, white coating, BB. He said I probably have candida as all sinus trouble is caused by mold/fungus/candida, and suggested an anticandida diet. Is it possible to have a sinus infection that even a CAT Scan cannot detect??

Garrett8899
09-01-2005, 09:41 AM
Chuck, dude, so happy for you man!

I know you are bombarded with questions... But we are all so excited for you here.
I too have been to 2 ENTs, who stuck a tube up my nose and said "You're Fine"

The CT scan is necessary I see you recommend. What exactly did your ENT detect on your scan that made him decide to give you surgery.
Chuck your story makes me feel I may have the same problem, I really feel there is an infection that is ongoing. Could only mean ongoing bb.
Also, what part of the area are you in? I would almost travel to see him to avoid having to beg another doctor to address this situation. Just a thought, to waste less time in my searches....
Thanks for your info and I wish you a wonderful life of talking, laughing, eating , drinking, etc... Enjoy!!

Denny- are you out there? Hope you can sign in and discuss. Well I received my Vaxa yesterday, it came so quickly! Anyway, I have been taking 2 pills morning, dinner and night... I honestly feel like it may be making mucus drain from nose. again, how long before you noticed a difference in your breath?

Heads up- G

BUSTED2
09-01-2005, 12:41 PM
I went to a ENT doctor a couple of years ago. All he did was an allergy test. He told me I had hayfever. I asked him something about the smell too. All he said was that everyone has BB, because the smell is coming from the stomach. He was pretty convinced too. I was more like... :yawn:

chuckwho
09-01-2005, 02:28 PM
Bradgm and peachpit - I wish you all the luck I can give. hopefully you guys will be the next ones to come on here and tell your story on how you were cured.

olivia33 - I'm really not sure if you can have a sinus infection that a CT Scan cannot detect. What I can tell you is that my ENT was very surprised at how bad the infection was. So, obviously the CT scan couldn't really tell the extent of the infection. I don't know if mine just became so bad that it finally showed infection. Like I stated before my bb wasn't that bad in the beginning. People didn't grab there noses as soon as I opened my mouth. But, it changed over the years and in the last 4-5 years it was so bad I can't even explain the how bad. You do have inflammation that is your body fighting a bacteria or virus right. Something is happening in your sinuses. How bad is your breath? Can you fill a room with stench or just a few feet away?

Garrett8899 - I live in Canada Vancouver BC. I too have had ENTs stick a light up there and tell me that nothing was wrong with my nose. The last time I went to a ENT doctor was about 8 years ago. I didn't go to another one because they told me there was nothing wrong. The CT scan did show infection. And, with the coating and bb and the PND he thought it would be a good idea to have the operation. Tell your doctor that the PND is so bad that sometime you can't even swallow. Maybe that will help you get a CT scan.

It has to be the sinuses people! All that stuff from our sinuses goes down the back of or throats and coats everything. For what ever reason some people do not smell even when they have an infection but we do. One other thing I would like to mention. For awhile I thought the smell was coming from my stomach. Because the ENT's and the dentists told me I was fine in those areas. For awhile I was taking Pepcid AC and Gaviscon in hopes that it would help. I did notice that my breath became really really bad after a couple of days. After I stopped taking them my breath would not be as bad. I think the pepcid and the gaviscon help to stop the acid in the stomach and then I had that infection coming from my sinuses and bang no acid to help kill the infection that was coming from my sinuses. So, all that infection made my breath worse. Has anyone else noticed that?

Busted2 - I have noticed that doctor don't want to take us seriously for some reason. Maybe it's because it just isn't that common to have bad breath continually all day long no matter what we do. I found it very hard to talk to people and doctors about my problem.

PootleBumps
09-01-2005, 03:31 PM
After flicking through this health site and stumbling across you rather nice folks, I was wondering if my two pennith may be of help.


For those suffering with tonsil stones, try gargling with a dispersible aspirin (that has been added to water). You will need to do this 3 times a day for about a month. This is one of my beloved Nana's tricks. It appears to shrink the tonsil over a period of time, squeezing out any lingering stones and making it hard for new stones to form.(It also helps if any of you have localised pain).

For everybody suffering post nasal drip, it's important to get rid of diary produce from the diet. As you all know it is a well known producer of excess mucus. Dandelion tea is excellent for expelling toxins from the body and drying up mucus. I think it's kind of yummy too. (Try 3 cups a day)


Those who feel bad breath maybe caused by digestive problems should take two natural supplements - both effective and essentially fabulous digestive dynamos.

1) Mastic Gum - obtained from the mastic tree, these capsules are more effective at destroying Helibactor pylori than any antibiotic known to science. (H.Pylori causes ulcers, bad breath and many other digestive problems). A big bonus of Mastic Gum is no side effects - WHATSOEVER!!

2) Milk Thistle - Again a totally natural resource that improves liver function and gall bladder function. (Another problem associated with chronic bad breath)

Both of these items are available from all good health shops.

Can I just finally say one lickle wickle thing - please use the power of the human mind.
Spend a little time each day, in a relaxed, calm atmosphere - close your eyes and TELL that bad breath/body odour to go away. Imagine the bad breath as black smoke
Inhale deeply imaging the incoming oxygen as a cool, blue vapour, cleaning and freshening your entire body. Then as you exhale imagine it is the black smoke, in an firm assured manner exhale that bad breath out of your body and away from you.

It may seem hippy-dippy to some of you but there is more on earth than physical remedies and after all it can't hurt can it?.

Warmest wishes and kind regards to all,


Pootle Bumps x x x x :)

If you never give up, Never give in, The battles of life, You will always win.

olivia33
09-01-2005, 06:25 PM
Chuckwho - My breath goes from clean to bad, depending on what I eat. When it's good, people come up real close, kiss, hug. When it's bad I get the nose grabs. Mine seems to be instantly and severely impacted by dairy and coffee so I suspect hidden food allergy (runs in the family) or acidosis. On the other hand, when I do my nasal flushes twice daily, every day, my breath is definitley cleaner which makes me think it could also be sinus/PND related.

My coworker has the most horrific breath ever, the kind that leaves a room stinking for 20 minutes after he leaves. He told me he has severe sinus trouble, always battling sinus infections. He always sounds congested. This guy also consumes alot of dairy, coffee, meat. Judging from his and from my experience it seems chronic BB is either diet/ph/digestive related, or sinus related. It's one or the other, or in some cases, both! I think none of us have teeth/gum disease or hygiene issues, so sprays, toothpastes, rinses aren't going to cure us. Tung brush/gel does help as it's superb at removing the stinky coating caused by our digestion issues or sinus infection/PND issues.

denny33
09-02-2005, 04:48 AM
chuckwho that is fantastic news! i remember you saying you were going to have the op so im glad it has worked. :cool:

Ive heard that you can have nebulized antibiotics for sinusitis,spraying directly into the nose,for those that cannot get the op maybe this is another option.

Garrett nice to hear from you, sorry ive not had a chance to answer sooner, work is taking over my life at the moment.
Im glad you got the vaxa, i started noticing a difference almost straight away, my spit felt thinner,my tongue didnt feel as thick with crap. I would prob say about 2 weeks before i knew for definate that i was not giving off any major bad smells,i was a little reluctant to believe it at first..Did you order the PH stix as well, to test your PH as you go along?
All i can say is i hope it lasts or else i'll be at the ENT begging to have the op.

For now its holding up, im waking up now with little or no morning breath (no more than the normal for most people, a revalation for me tho lol used to smell like id eating a can of dog food the night before) im eating a balanced alkaline based diet, altho i have had the odd treat and my mouth seemed to handle it well, the taste didnt linger for ages and it just seemed to neutralise on its own.
Ive gone from 6 to 4 tabs per day now, my ph level is normal. Obviously i dont want to take them for life so i guess the next test is to see what happens when i stop taking them. Will it be that i have sorted out my ph so the neutral mouth will continue or will the BB return? we'll have to see :eek: but so far its fine and im very pleased with the results. :D

I cant remember who said they also lived in the uk and wondered where to get them but i had to order them off the net from the U.S. wish i could tell you where from coz she had them at best price but dont think its allowed on here. Have a good look round, look for a lady that sells vitamin. (clu)

ciao4now everyone, the (BB) winds are changing.

denny
:wave:

chuckwho
09-02-2005, 01:22 PM
Hi everyone,

I was think about those that are going to the doctor to try to get another referral to an ENT. Ask your doctor for a name of a young ENT. I think you may get more help from someone young rather then an old ENT. The first two that I saw were old. My last ENT was a young doctor and he cared more and was more thorough then the others. It may help because they aren't burnt out or lazy, and may be more interested in a challenge. Just a thought! Good Luck!

oioi
09-02-2005, 09:05 PM
I went to see a doctor today. she didn't even look at my throat or anything. she was an hour behind so she just wanted to get me out of there. she gave me a prescripsion for a nose spray to use for 6 weeks to stop my sinuses being inflammed. If it doesn't work after the 6 weeks, she said I should come back for more help.

It wasn't what I was looking for but at least it's a move in the right direction. it's the first time a doctor has said my bb is linked to my sinuses/PND.

anyway, I've ordered the vaxa ph.

denny, how long did it take for it to arrive in the UK? - thanks

chuckwho
09-03-2005, 03:57 PM
oioi - don't be discouraged. It is a process that you will need to go through. I went to the doctor and he gave me nasal spray also. It didn't help. I went back to the doctor and he sent me for an X-ray. Went back to the doctor and they found inflammation The doctor put me on antibiotics. They didn't do anything. He then sent me to the ENT. He gave me nasal sprays and sent me for a CT Scan. Went back to the ENT they found infection. The ENT made an appointment for operation. Had to go back for another CT Scan. Had operation and am now fine. I even had pizza yesterday and no smell!!!!!

The whole process took just over a year. I know that it is not comforting to know that it may take that long. But, remember you will have the rest of your life. I hope the vaxa helps. But, please remember you need to get to the root on the problem. You don't want to have to use a product for the rest of your life. Only to find out that it wears off after awhile. We have all gone through that. Try the Vaxa hopefully it will give you relief. In the mean time you can continue to try to get the operation. Don't quit. If the products you are using stop working you will have to go through the process of tying to get the operation and it will only take longer.

Good Luck

ginger65
09-03-2005, 07:08 PM
Hi everyone

Chuckwho,

Your continued input is most appreciated. Like you I too had a tonsillectomy and whilst getting rid of those horrible stones improved my breath it did not
clear it. The reason is that tonsil crypts and stones are often the by product of a more entrenched problem. I wonder if you would give me your opinion of my own nasal symptoms and if you recognise them as being sinus/pnd related. They are :

feeling of blocked nostrils (although after a year now it seems normal). But I know it is not right because after tonsil surgery for a short time I could feel the air tingle the back of my throat and sense all of the other smells around me (a great feeling). In hindsight I think that the operation may have interfered with the inflammation process and stopped the PND. Now, no matter how hard I try I hit a brick wall and never get that sensation.

I practically never sneeze. My nasal cavity is bone dry and I hardly ever need to clean it out. My nose never emits any moisture.

I get a lot of mucous at the back of my throat which I have to clear or swallow with water. I notice that this often has a yellow core (especially upon waking) and is very sticky. When talking for sometime without water my tongue coating and mucous thickens. Is this down to the PND pooling and stagnating when the water isn't washing most of it away? Does the yellowing indicate a bacterial infection taking place ? Like you anti-biotics don't seem to work for me now.

I often feel a sensation in my central upper gum - not quite a pain but a kind of stinging (could be the acid I suppose).

A general tiredness even after a night's sleep. A sense of not feeling on top.
A general headachey feeling front and centre but not severe. (Could be ongoing milder version of a sinus headache I suppose).

Stinging nostrils. (could be the reflux inflamming the linings)

And worst of all a very real feeling that there is something decaying at the back of my throat and tongue and that some bacterial reaction is taking place. This only momentarily disappears when I clear my throat or take some water.

What is the medical name of the sinus surgery so I can check out the costs of private work here in the UK. I will also try out the Vaxa which is something I have been aware of for sometime but never got round to using. Certainly previously my PH Stix never got above 6.0 to 6.25 and my mouth was never neutral or slightly alkaline.

It's very early days but we might be hitting on something that could at least help many of us.

Contributors appear to have a clean bill of health in respect of any dental or periodental issues being the cause of their BB so just out of general interest how many regular contributors HAVE either PND/mucous, suspected sinus problems or possible reflux. Worth finding out I think.

Sorry so long. Cheers

Ginger

peachpit
09-03-2005, 07:35 PM
ginger,
funny you mention it, but I remember after I had my tonsillectomy a year or two ago that for about a week I could breathe through my nose perfectally and had no tongue coating. I thought I was cured but sure enough it all came back. Later I thought maybe it was my diet of beef and chicken broth and water, even tried eating just that again for a few days but didn't help. I wonder why it was all so clear, maybe the strong antibiotics for post surgery? Or maybe the diet?

denny33
09-03-2005, 08:21 PM
oioi it took about 10days/2weeks to arrive in the end, altho there was a delay on posting so yours will prob take less time.

ive decided im going to TRY and get a sinus scan, have a look in there see if theres anything i need to address. Im still seeing good results on the vaxa,the mucus is thinner,breath still good... but as i mentioned before it might not be a long term solution..its working now but for how long? whats going to happen when i stop taking them? time will tell.

keep :D guys
denny :wave:

chuckwho
09-03-2005, 11:18 PM
Hi ginger,

You asked:

feeling of blocked nostrils

Yes, ginger my right side of my nostril seemed to be blocked all the time. It was caused by the "deviated septum" I did not always have this problem it wasn't till about the last 4-5 years that I would say I had this problem. My breath became worse around that time.

I practically never sneeze. My nasal cavity is bone dry and I hardly ever need to clean it out. My nose never emits any moisture.

Yes, I was the same. Never seemed to sneeze or ever have to blow my nose.

I get a lot of mucous at the back of my throat which I have to clear or swallow with water. I notice that this often has a yellow core (especially upon waking) and is very sticky.

Yes, in the last few years I also have a lot of mucus in the back of my throat. Especially when I gargle and spit out the liquid I would get these large lumps of mucus. My mucus was very clear almost shiny. My understanding is if the mucus in yellowish or greenish you have a bacterial infection. Mide you mine was clear and I was really badly infected. Antibiotics did nothing for me either.

I often feel a sensation in my central upper gum - not quite a pain but a kind of stinging (could be the acid I suppose).

No, I did not have that problem.

A general tiredness even after a night's sleep. A sense of not feeling on top.
A general headachy feeling front and centre but not severe. (Could be ongoing milder version of a sinus headache I suppose).

Yes, I did have a feeling of tiredness. No, I did not have those sinus headaches that you are talking about. Once again I do think that is a sign of sinus problems though. But, I did not get headaches.

Stinging nostrils. (could be the reflux inflamming the linings)

No, did not have that problem no stinging sensation in my sinuses. I would think if it was reflux it would enter your mouth before your sinuses. I think but I'm not a doctor.

And worst of all a very real feeling that there is something decaying at the back of my throat and tongue and that some bacterial reaction is taking place. This only momentarily disappears when I clear my throat or take some water.

Yes I did get this terrible taste or feeling that was really gross. Once again that is when my breath became really bad. Did not have that feeling before 4-5 years ago.

What is the medical name of the sinus surgery so I can check out the costs of private work here in the UK.

I'm really not sure. I think it was acute or chronic sinusitis. But, not sure of the actual name of the surgery.

I really hoped I help you Ginger. If you have any other questions or need clarification please ask.

Good Luck!!

ginger65
09-04-2005, 11:57 AM
Thanks, Chuckwho that really is invaluable.

My problem is that I do not know if the reflux is the problem and the sinuses just like the tonsil crypts are a by product or if the sinuses are a stand alone issue. LPR or Laryngopharyngeal Reflux or 'silent reflux' mirrors the symptoms of chronic sinusitus and from your reply it certainly seems that I have at the very least a significant sinus problem that requires investigation ie going straight for the CT scan and cutting the wasted weeks of anti-biotics and sprays. The irritant in my case is I believe the acid fumes passing up the nasal passage from the pharynx into the cavity and the sinuses causing the inflammation. This in itself is not sinusitus as such but as it occurs many times throughtout the day and night it does in effect become so. I feel the effects of the reflux in my mouth and throat also and perhaps a lot of the symptoms I described to you that you did not recognise are down to the fact that you are not a reflux sufferer although your oral PH for many years was probably too acidic to counter the effects of the sinus infection and pnd. Bacterial infections will thrive in acidic environments but will die in oxygen enriched alkaline environments.

The issue of the gastro-intestinal system being the cause of the BB is complex. From my own experience and understanding any refluxing of bile or acid is just that reflux or a failure of the lower sphincter muscle to close properly. I do not believe the idea of partly digested food smells rushing up the esophaegas is accurate apart from people with chronic burping caused by gastritis etc. The smell comes from a variety of anaerobic bacterial compounds and is formed and emitted from the mouth (tongue and throat) or mouth and nose (most probable when there is a sinus problem). My view on why most people do not develop BB from their infections is that their oral PH balance is well estabished and they produce sufficient enough oxygen enriched saliva to negate its effects and which enables a fuller and quicker recovery from it. It is only when this fine balance is overly compromised that a problem occurs but by then it could be too late to reset.

I must admit that my mucous is mostly always clear (only thick yellow upon waking) which would appear to mirror your problem of a firmly established but low level sinus infection and not an intermiitent one based on colds, flus or seasonal allergens which produces more infected mucous but only for a short period until it is cleared. Your infection never cleared. It is also so gluey that I need to turn the fawcett on full to get it away so I do not think a few sips of water have much effect really. Throat clearing only clears the pool that is there but is replaced by a new supply. I can literally feel it stagnating but can do nothing about it. I certainly feel that my nose is a factor as the only times I have been BB free I have been congestion and PND free. However, these were also the times when I had no reflux either so I have to accept that there is some connection between the two. I am hoping that re-opening the sinuses through surgery will at least afford some improvement and might mean I do not need to undergo the gastro surgery which would be a huge relief.

Final point (for now). Did the CT scan pick up the infection as well as the septum and if not how did your ENT confirm your sinuses were so infection ridden in the absence of any coloured discharge ? I want to confirm the presence of the infection asap and take a pro-active lead as I believe it is the only way to get to the bottom of anything as primary health provision is pretty useless at these problems. Or at least they are in England.

Cheers for now. Gonna give the Grossan another go for a few days to seem if it helps. I never gave it a proper chance first time round and have not used in so long.

Ginger

chriss22
09-04-2005, 03:25 PM
Hi Chuckwho or anyone else who can answer.
Do you think it's possible for me to have a sinus infection if my only symptoms are a coated tongue and bb. I occasionaly have to clear my throat, but nothing crazy. I want to go to my doctor with this also, but I'm afraid she won't take me seriously if I don't have any other symptoms.

BUSTED2
09-04-2005, 03:39 PM
Chris222 - I think you should give it a try. I went to the same ENT doctor too. He didn't take me seriously either. He gave me another nasal spray.

I'm pretty sure I have a sinus infection too. The only problem is that I have to find a good ENT doctor. I probably won't find one here :(

chuckwho
09-04-2005, 03:56 PM
Hi ginger65,

I'm glad I could help a little.

My problem is that I do not know if the reflux is the problem and the sinuses just like the tonsil crypts are a by product or if the sinuses are a stand alone issue.

I think you hit the nail on the head. That's the biggest problem we all have. Not knowing where it's coming from. We all have spent so much money on everything under the sun. I don't know about you but a fortune has been spent by me. Everything form multiple colon cleansing to a wide variety of different toothpaste's and mouthwashes. To untold amount of vitamins from Zinc to Magnesium to charcoal to chlorophyll just to name a few. It had to be the most frustrating thing in the world.

If one only knew where it was coming from you could concentrate on that area. But, we have to try all these different things because we don't know.

I have at the very least a significant sinus problem that requires investigation ie going straight for the CT scan and cutting the wasted weeks of antibiotics and sprays.

Yes, I think that is your best bet. Here in Canada we don't have private healthcare. So, you have to go through all these hoops with the sprays and antibiotics to see if they will work. That is why it take so long to get the surgery.

I believe the acid fumes passing up the nasal passage from the pharynx into the cavity and the sinuses causing the inflammation.

I think that is possible. But, wouldn't you know if you fasted for a couple of days. That would help the reflux and should help the bad breath. If the bb doesn't go away in a could of days then you would know it's not reflux Correct?

How long have you had bad breath? I've had it since I was 14-15 maybe even younger not sure. I'm now 44. The chances of having reflux at that age is very low. But, one could have a sinus infection for many many years and not even know it.

I certainly feel that my nose is a factor as the only times I have been BB free I have been congestion and PND free.

PND is a big cause. But, I'm not sure if it is the PND or if it is the PND carrying the infection to the mouth and down the throat. The bacteria uses the PND to cling to the walls of the throat and mouth causing the smell. I still have some PND not as much as before. I'm still heeling. Even with the PND I have no smell. A few years ago I started to irrigate my sinuses and shortly aftetr that something happened. My PND became so bad that right after I ate something I could open my mouth and stick out my tongue and the mucus would literally run off my tougue. With this clear sticky mucus. It was so gross.

Did the CT scan pick up the infection as well as the septum and if not how did your ENT confirm your sinuses were so infection ridden in the absence of any coloured discharge ? I want to confirm the presence of the infection asap and take a pro-active lead as I believe it is the only way to get to the bottom of anything as primary health provision is pretty useless at these problems. Or at least they are in England.

When I went to the ENT he noticed redness and inflammation. After I had the CT scan he said the CT scan picked up the infection and deviated septum. After the operation when I talked to him, he was very surprised at how bad the infection was and how bad the deviated septum was. So, I wonder how much the CT scan picked up. That is why I wonder if I always had in infection but it was very low and wasn't detected before when I went to an ENT. However, I never had a CT scan before. The ENT's just looked in my nose and thought they were fine. But they weren't.

Hoped this help you a little more Ginger65 - I wish they had a chat section on this site it would really help to talk and explain things better. Maybe I will make a site dealing with this problem. I have a personal site called cookingbread. I have this thing about bread lol. Mmmm so good.

Talk to you all soon.





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