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06-01-2005, 01:50 PM
Bad Breath has changed my personality: Part 5 is continued here.
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ShroudedInMist
06-01-2005, 02:38 PM
Another new thread... Perhaps we will figure out something new.
My nose has been blocked for over a month now due to allergies. It is actually not too bad to smell so little, atleast I don't smell my own bb. But I know it is there. Every once in a while I taste something evil lurking in the dephts of my throat.
My nose has been blocked for over a month now due to allergies. It is actually not too bad to smell so little, atleast I don't smell my own bb. But I know it is there. Every once in a while I taste something evil lurking in the dephts of my throat.
sartor
06-01-2005, 03:22 PM
A question to all...(please take time to answer - would greatly appreciate it!)
I was wandering whether you have found in your experience that other peoples' mouths generally have their own characteristic odour (not neccessarily strong or offensive) which can be sensed on their breath at very close quarters?
People who have managed to forge relationships will probably be best placed to answer this one, but everyone's views would be greatly appreciated.
Sartor
I was wandering whether you have found in your experience that other peoples' mouths generally have their own characteristic odour (not neccessarily strong or offensive) which can be sensed on their breath at very close quarters?
People who have managed to forge relationships will probably be best placed to answer this one, but everyone's views would be greatly appreciated.
Sartor
chloe_123
06-01-2005, 04:24 PM
Sartor,
I have not noticed any odour of any kind, for my husband or my daughter. Their breath doesn't smell like anything.
I have not noticed any odour of any kind, for my husband or my daughter. Their breath doesn't smell like anything.
chloe_123
06-01-2005, 04:30 PM
About three weeks ago I finished my last bottle of probiotics. I had been on them since February. I thought I had taken enough and my flora should be just fine. But, I had the worst bb last week - lots of reactions. I can't think of anything else that changed. I've been on a very healthy diet and all was looking good. What do you think? Could it be Candida? I've started another bottle of probiotics and hopefully I'll improve again.
I'm also going to do a colon cleanse in about two weeks.
I'm also going to do a colon cleanse in about two weeks.
ShroudedInMist
06-01-2005, 04:48 PM
Sartor,
I have noticed that. I think everyone has some sort of personal smell on their breath. That's not necessarily bad. I have met people who have had a nice-smelling breath... I don't know if this was helpful though :rolleyes:
Keep your spirits high :wave:
I have noticed that. I think everyone has some sort of personal smell on their breath. That's not necessarily bad. I have met people who have had a nice-smelling breath... I don't know if this was helpful though :rolleyes:
Keep your spirits high :wave:
lucky59
06-01-2005, 07:11 PM
Could it be Candida?
I'm also going to do a colon cleanse in about two weeks.
Chloe, have you considered that maybe there's nothing wrong with you? That most of us with bb are just different for one reason or another.
In support of this view it seems that the vast majority of sufferers have not reported complete success with 'internal cleanses', change of diet, etc. And some people will suffer from bb for a life time with no physical ill-effects! (There may be many reasons why a change of diet gives partial success.)
If it was the case that there's nothing wrong with us then our challenge is two-fold I think.
1. To control the bb as best we can.
2. To control or manage our minds around this issue. As someone else pointed out, the title of this thread is very apt. One of the beliefs that has probably got us is that There is something wrong with me.
Such a belief even in our subconscious is likely to be very damaging. Maybe our challenge is to let go of such a belief and start believing that I am OK as I am. Or something like it.
Best wishes, lucky.
I'm also going to do a colon cleanse in about two weeks.
Chloe, have you considered that maybe there's nothing wrong with you? That most of us with bb are just different for one reason or another.
In support of this view it seems that the vast majority of sufferers have not reported complete success with 'internal cleanses', change of diet, etc. And some people will suffer from bb for a life time with no physical ill-effects! (There may be many reasons why a change of diet gives partial success.)
If it was the case that there's nothing wrong with us then our challenge is two-fold I think.
1. To control the bb as best we can.
2. To control or manage our minds around this issue. As someone else pointed out, the title of this thread is very apt. One of the beliefs that has probably got us is that There is something wrong with me.
Such a belief even in our subconscious is likely to be very damaging. Maybe our challenge is to let go of such a belief and start believing that I am OK as I am. Or something like it.
Best wishes, lucky.
chloe_123
06-02-2005, 02:50 PM
Lucky, thank you for reminding me that there is more then this bb. It's so funny how far into a depressive hole I can fall into when I get bad reactions from my bb, I forget about everything else. Your message woke me up again - thanks. I'm really starting to believe my emotions play a part in my bb. For example I was really depressed the week my bb was really bad. I'm having some highs and lows lately emotionally and I think I need to work on that and forget about my bb for awhile.
Garrett123
06-02-2005, 03:13 PM
lucky you are right in some ways and there is more to life than having this handicap.
my belief is there is something wrong with us, or else we'd be like 90% of the rest of the world how has fresh b. or situational b. our chemical and physiological make-up is lacking something, even though for the most part we are healthy. Sorry to be a drag, but comments over the years have made me jaded. I wish my mind/emotions had where I could just get on with it, but i can't believe how I have changed over 10 yrs going on 11. i sometimes think of who i would be without this handicap. blah blah blah... :yawn:
chloe, i relate to the emotional rollercoaster. I just started prozac, and its helping me already. i was in a deep hole. still am, but coping alot better now. chloe, take a vacation with your family. traveling does wonders for well-being. travel is an escape for the normal day, where bb tend to huant us. when you come back you are refreshed ( even though the bb may not be ) sorry for the bad joke, I am so synical.
like lucky said, managing it is all i ask and strive for. i think we as humans are built with an endless hope, and I won't quit searching for something that works 99.9% for me.
Has anyone tried rinsing with the warm salt water as a mouthwash? its supposed to regulate ph in your mouth. I know its not working 100% but i feel it does something in there. Let me know if anyone has given it a shot.
anyone else trying anything new these days?
thana- still on your diet of little protein?
denny, have you taken the ph buffer and what do you think? how have you been?
my belief is there is something wrong with us, or else we'd be like 90% of the rest of the world how has fresh b. or situational b. our chemical and physiological make-up is lacking something, even though for the most part we are healthy. Sorry to be a drag, but comments over the years have made me jaded. I wish my mind/emotions had where I could just get on with it, but i can't believe how I have changed over 10 yrs going on 11. i sometimes think of who i would be without this handicap. blah blah blah... :yawn:
chloe, i relate to the emotional rollercoaster. I just started prozac, and its helping me already. i was in a deep hole. still am, but coping alot better now. chloe, take a vacation with your family. traveling does wonders for well-being. travel is an escape for the normal day, where bb tend to huant us. when you come back you are refreshed ( even though the bb may not be ) sorry for the bad joke, I am so synical.
like lucky said, managing it is all i ask and strive for. i think we as humans are built with an endless hope, and I won't quit searching for something that works 99.9% for me.
Has anyone tried rinsing with the warm salt water as a mouthwash? its supposed to regulate ph in your mouth. I know its not working 100% but i feel it does something in there. Let me know if anyone has given it a shot.
anyone else trying anything new these days?
thana- still on your diet of little protein?
denny, have you taken the ph buffer and what do you think? how have you been?
lucky59
06-02-2005, 04:18 PM
Lucky, thank you for reminding me that there is more than this bb. Your message woke me up again - thanks.
You're welcome Chloe.
You're welcome Chloe.
Garrett123
06-02-2005, 04:25 PM
Sartor-
I don't notice other smells on people coming from the mouth area ( unless they have the dreaded bb like me ) which there are a few in my office that do.
But most people I smell nothing when they talk. As for my girlfriend- who I get a close smell of her, she never has bb. NEVER. Even after a night of Italian food, a bottle of wine, and not brushing her teeth. I am jealous sometimes, but alas, she is perfect and i love her for loving me with the dark cloud. I never show her how down I am inside. becasue when I am with her I am at my happiest.
hope that helps as well in some way.
I don't notice other smells on people coming from the mouth area ( unless they have the dreaded bb like me ) which there are a few in my office that do.
But most people I smell nothing when they talk. As for my girlfriend- who I get a close smell of her, she never has bb. NEVER. Even after a night of Italian food, a bottle of wine, and not brushing her teeth. I am jealous sometimes, but alas, she is perfect and i love her for loving me with the dark cloud. I never show her how down I am inside. becasue when I am with her I am at my happiest.
hope that helps as well in some way.
lucky59
06-02-2005, 04:31 PM
my belief is there is something wrong with us.... I just started prozac, and its helping me already.
Hi Garrett, partner!
I'm glad that the prozac is working for you. Good for you.
I suggest that the belief There is something wrong with me is both false and destructive.
The word wrong is so loaded with judgement. And 'put down'. I suggest there isn't anything wrong with you even if you are right and there is a real clinical reason for your bb that can eventually be 'cured'.
But I also think that holding the belief There is something wrong with me in your mind will cause you untold harm.
It is a challenge for sure, but I think that it's important to rid ourselves as best we can, of such destructive beliefs and replace them with some that serve us better.
Best wishes, lucky.
Hi Garrett, partner!
I'm glad that the prozac is working for you. Good for you.
I suggest that the belief There is something wrong with me is both false and destructive.
The word wrong is so loaded with judgement. And 'put down'. I suggest there isn't anything wrong with you even if you are right and there is a real clinical reason for your bb that can eventually be 'cured'.
But I also think that holding the belief There is something wrong with me in your mind will cause you untold harm.
It is a challenge for sure, but I think that it's important to rid ourselves as best we can, of such destructive beliefs and replace them with some that serve us better.
Best wishes, lucky.
blase2
06-02-2005, 06:46 PM
About three weeks ago I finished my last bottle of probiotics. I had been on them since February. I thought I had taken enough and my flora should be just fine. But, I had the worst bb last week - lots of reactions. I can't think of anything else that changed. I've been on a very healthy diet and all was looking good. What do you think? Could it be Candida? I've started another bottle of probiotics and hopefully I'll improve again.
I'm also going to do a colon cleanse in about two weeks.
It's a waste of money and time IMO. In my case anything you try relating to digestion like colon cleansing with oxy powder or probiotics or chinese bitters or HCL or even B-complex makes BB really bad. It returns to normal (not that bad) when you discontinue.
if you have to do something then oxy powder cleanse is preferable.
I'm also going to do a colon cleanse in about two weeks.
It's a waste of money and time IMO. In my case anything you try relating to digestion like colon cleansing with oxy powder or probiotics or chinese bitters or HCL or even B-complex makes BB really bad. It returns to normal (not that bad) when you discontinue.
if you have to do something then oxy powder cleanse is preferable.
blase2
06-02-2005, 06:50 PM
Chloe, have you considered that maybe there's nothing wrong with you? That most of us with bb are just different for one reason or another.
In support of this view it seems that the vast majority of sufferers have not reported complete success with 'internal cleanses', change of diet, etc. And some people will suffer from bb for a life time with no physical ill-effects! (There may be many reasons why a change of diet gives partial success.)
If it was the case that there's nothing wrong with us then our challenge is two-fold I think.
1. To control the bb as best we can.
2. To control or manage our minds around this issue. As someone else pointed out, the title of this thread is very apt. One of the beliefs that has probably got us is that There is something wrong with me.
Such a belief even in our subconscious is likely to be very damaging. Maybe our challenge is to let go of such a belief and start believing that I am OK as I am. Or something like it.
Best wishes, lucky.
Very wisely put, Lucky. As my psychic said - the answer is within yourself. I'm OK as I am but these people I'm around make my life hell.
In support of this view it seems that the vast majority of sufferers have not reported complete success with 'internal cleanses', change of diet, etc. And some people will suffer from bb for a life time with no physical ill-effects! (There may be many reasons why a change of diet gives partial success.)
If it was the case that there's nothing wrong with us then our challenge is two-fold I think.
1. To control the bb as best we can.
2. To control or manage our minds around this issue. As someone else pointed out, the title of this thread is very apt. One of the beliefs that has probably got us is that There is something wrong with me.
Such a belief even in our subconscious is likely to be very damaging. Maybe our challenge is to let go of such a belief and start believing that I am OK as I am. Or something like it.
Best wishes, lucky.
Very wisely put, Lucky. As my psychic said - the answer is within yourself. I'm OK as I am but these people I'm around make my life hell.
blase2
06-02-2005, 06:58 PM
Sartor-
I don't notice other smells on people coming from the mouth area ( unless they have the dreaded bb like me ) which there are a few in my office that do.
But most people I smell nothing when they talk. As for my girlfriend- who I get a close smell of her, she never has bb. NEVER. Even after a night of Italian food, a bottle of wine, and not brushing her teeth. I am jealous sometimes, but alas, she is perfect and i love her for loving me with the dark cloud. I never show her how down I am inside. becasue when I am with her I am at my happiest.
hope that helps as well in some way.
It's funny Garrett - I can't even find one person who smells bad in my office. Well all I can say is she is lucky and you are the luckiest guy for having a GF that keeps you in high spirits.
I don't notice other smells on people coming from the mouth area ( unless they have the dreaded bb like me ) which there are a few in my office that do.
But most people I smell nothing when they talk. As for my girlfriend- who I get a close smell of her, she never has bb. NEVER. Even after a night of Italian food, a bottle of wine, and not brushing her teeth. I am jealous sometimes, but alas, she is perfect and i love her for loving me with the dark cloud. I never show her how down I am inside. becasue when I am with her I am at my happiest.
hope that helps as well in some way.
It's funny Garrett - I can't even find one person who smells bad in my office. Well all I can say is she is lucky and you are the luckiest guy for having a GF that keeps you in high spirits.
blase2
06-02-2005, 07:01 PM
Where is my girl Denny? She keeps me in high spirits ;-) keep posting ..
proteome
06-05-2005, 05:57 AM
New observation: strenuous activity that causes me to sweat very profusely appears to relieve me of bad breath for about 12 hours, independent of what I do afterwards. Of course having done this three times last week, I haven't been able to move my body. I'll stick with the bad breath for now :)
Maybe those posts about removing internal toxins have something to them after all?
Maybe those posts about removing internal toxins have something to them after all?
garfiola
06-05-2005, 10:49 PM
seeker come on
post again, u are the one that made me do these cleanse stuff
give advices please, help
post again, u are the one that made me do these cleanse stuff
give advices please, help
Garrett123
06-06-2005, 09:45 AM
Hey Lucky, whats up dude?
Good to hear you have been having success with the zinc gel... is there any way to just buy the gel alone without the tung brush? Its such a little tub they give you.
I am having decent results with warm salt water mouth wash.
Proteme- I agree with the sweating. I feel like I get all the toxins out as well. Even if I sit at the beach as opposed to working it out... I am bb free I feel. Replenishing with drinking alot of water helps too.
Maybe going to the sauna on the days off of a vigorous workout would help. I don't think my gym has one. but I will look into it.
how is everyone else doing?
Good to hear you have been having success with the zinc gel... is there any way to just buy the gel alone without the tung brush? Its such a little tub they give you.
I am having decent results with warm salt water mouth wash.
Proteme- I agree with the sweating. I feel like I get all the toxins out as well. Even if I sit at the beach as opposed to working it out... I am bb free I feel. Replenishing with drinking alot of water helps too.
Maybe going to the sauna on the days off of a vigorous workout would help. I don't think my gym has one. but I will look into it.
how is everyone else doing?
LOtRsfan
06-06-2005, 12:01 PM
Sartor,
I have noticed that. I think everyone has some sort of personal smell on their breath. That's not necessarily bad. I have met people who have had a nice-smelling breath... I don't know if this was helpful though :rolleyes:
Keep your spirits high :wave:
yea, i've too noticed this...i wonder how people keep their breath smelling fresh tho...maybe they keep spraying a breath spray in their mouths when we don't notice...
I have noticed that. I think everyone has some sort of personal smell on their breath. That's not necessarily bad. I have met people who have had a nice-smelling breath... I don't know if this was helpful though :rolleyes:
Keep your spirits high :wave:
yea, i've too noticed this...i wonder how people keep their breath smelling fresh tho...maybe they keep spraying a breath spray in their mouths when we don't notice...
lucky59
06-06-2005, 06:53 PM
zinc gel... is there any way to just buy the gel alone without the tung brush? Its such a little tub they give you.
Hi G. Yes there is. The little tube you got with your brush was just a sample. You can buy a big tube of the stuff for much the same price as the brush.
I'm interested as to how you get on with it using it frequently through the day. Does the fact that we had a similar response to ClO2 mean we'll have the same with tung gel?
Best wishes, lucky.
ps How are you in yourself?
Hi G. Yes there is. The little tube you got with your brush was just a sample. You can buy a big tube of the stuff for much the same price as the brush.
I'm interested as to how you get on with it using it frequently through the day. Does the fact that we had a similar response to ClO2 mean we'll have the same with tung gel?
Best wishes, lucky.
ps How are you in yourself?
littlelonestar
06-07-2005, 09:59 PM
Where can you buy the zinc gel? I would like to try it also.
I know that your mood has something to do with the way your breath smells.
Since I have been practicing ways to reduce stress; I have noticed that my breath is not as bad as it use to be.The Bible also talks about that subject as well. If you think negative thoughts you are only bringing negativity into your life. So when we stress over this all the time we are only making things worse.
:angel:
I know that your mood has something to do with the way your breath smells.
Since I have been practicing ways to reduce stress; I have noticed that my breath is not as bad as it use to be.The Bible also talks about that subject as well. If you think negative thoughts you are only bringing negativity into your life. So when we stress over this all the time we are only making things worse.
:angel:
Garrett123
06-08-2005, 10:25 AM
Lucky- I am doing ok, I don't think about it AS much, but its still on my mind. Prozac does help me, I would recommend it to anyone who is struggling with emotion/effects of bb.
Sounds as if you are having good results with the zinc gel. I am going to order some, as my little tube is gone.
I was wondering, do you think there is a type of mouthwash with zinc in it that would have the same effects as the gel? Does anyone take zinc supplements regularly? I took one on an empty stomach and threw up all day. Nice, I know!
Has anyone heard the phrase, "Take Zinc, Don't Stink"
Littlelonestar- I hear ya, when I was at the beach last weekend with friends, I felt relaxed and got no comments... I was also sweating out toxins, and out in the open air where my bb couldn't be detected as easy.
What are some ways you are relieving stress and relaxing?
Sounds as if you are having good results with the zinc gel. I am going to order some, as my little tube is gone.
I was wondering, do you think there is a type of mouthwash with zinc in it that would have the same effects as the gel? Does anyone take zinc supplements regularly? I took one on an empty stomach and threw up all day. Nice, I know!
Has anyone heard the phrase, "Take Zinc, Don't Stink"
Littlelonestar- I hear ya, when I was at the beach last weekend with friends, I felt relaxed and got no comments... I was also sweating out toxins, and out in the open air where my bb couldn't be detected as easy.
What are some ways you are relieving stress and relaxing?
blase2
06-08-2005, 02:05 PM
Lucky- I am doing ok, I don't think about it AS much, but its still on my mind. Prozac does help me, I would recommend it to anyone who is struggling with emotion/effects of bb.
Sounds as if you are having good results with the zinc gel. I am going to order some, as my little tube is gone.
I was wondering, do you think there is a type of mouthwash with zinc in it that would have the same effects as the gel? Does anyone take zinc supplements regularly? I took one on an empty stomach and threw up all day. Nice, I know!
Has anyone heard the phrase, "Take Zinc, Don't Stink"
Littlelonestar- I hear ya, when I was at the beach last weekend with friends, I felt relaxed and got no comments... I was also sweating out toxins, and out in the open air where my bb couldn't be detected as easy.
What are some ways you are relieving stress and relaxing?
The effect of zinc gel will last for 7-8 days and then you'll be back where you started. Initial results are positive but observe what happens after 7-8 days.
Sounds as if you are having good results with the zinc gel. I am going to order some, as my little tube is gone.
I was wondering, do you think there is a type of mouthwash with zinc in it that would have the same effects as the gel? Does anyone take zinc supplements regularly? I took one on an empty stomach and threw up all day. Nice, I know!
Has anyone heard the phrase, "Take Zinc, Don't Stink"
Littlelonestar- I hear ya, when I was at the beach last weekend with friends, I felt relaxed and got no comments... I was also sweating out toxins, and out in the open air where my bb couldn't be detected as easy.
What are some ways you are relieving stress and relaxing?
The effect of zinc gel will last for 7-8 days and then you'll be back where you started. Initial results are positive but observe what happens after 7-8 days.
kimberley35
06-09-2005, 12:15 AM
Hi Everyone,
I just wanted to say that I suffered from bad breath for a long time. I didn't know why. I tried everything. I was getting those nasty white things stuck in my tonsils, and even when I took them out, my breath still stunk. I was constantly sucking on Altoids, chewing gum...not getting close to anyone to talk, I was so self conscious. I finally got my tonsils taken out. And ever since then, I don't suffer from those white stones in my throat, and my breath smells natural...as long as I don't eat onions and garlic and all that.
The sad thing was, I would eat onions and garlic just so it would reek of that rather than my own bad breath.
Just thought I would share that with you all.
I just wanted to say that I suffered from bad breath for a long time. I didn't know why. I tried everything. I was getting those nasty white things stuck in my tonsils, and even when I took them out, my breath still stunk. I was constantly sucking on Altoids, chewing gum...not getting close to anyone to talk, I was so self conscious. I finally got my tonsils taken out. And ever since then, I don't suffer from those white stones in my throat, and my breath smells natural...as long as I don't eat onions and garlic and all that.
The sad thing was, I would eat onions and garlic just so it would reek of that rather than my own bad breath.
Just thought I would share that with you all.
(((ECHO)))
06-09-2005, 05:41 AM
The effect of zinc gel will last for 7-8 days and then you'll be back where you started. Initial results are positive but observe what happens after 7-8 days.
Hi Blase,
What do you mean? If I use the zinc gel, I will only notice a positive effect for the first 7-8 days only, my breath will start to smell bad after those days, it doesnt matter if I keep using it after those 8 days?
Hi Blase,
What do you mean? If I use the zinc gel, I will only notice a positive effect for the first 7-8 days only, my breath will start to smell bad after those days, it doesnt matter if I keep using it after those 8 days?
littlelonestar
06-09-2005, 04:40 PM
Littlelonestar- I hear ya, when I was at the beach last weekend with friends, I felt relaxed and got no comments... I was also sweating out toxins, and out in the open air where my bb couldn't be detected as easy.
What are some ways you are relieving stress and relaxing?
Right now I am just exercising and trying to get the proper amount of sleep each day. I read that exercise really helps relieve stress. Laughing also helps to get rid of stress as well. So, I like to watch the comedy network, it always cracks me up and I release tension. I also take B-12; I read that this vitamin helps give people more energy.
When I have the blues I also read my Bible that really lifts my spirits or I like to watch sermons on TBN. TV Programs on TBN always speak to my heart and make me feel better. I also have increased my prayer life and that has also made me feel better.
What are some ways you are relieving stress and relaxing?
Right now I am just exercising and trying to get the proper amount of sleep each day. I read that exercise really helps relieve stress. Laughing also helps to get rid of stress as well. So, I like to watch the comedy network, it always cracks me up and I release tension. I also take B-12; I read that this vitamin helps give people more energy.
When I have the blues I also read my Bible that really lifts my spirits or I like to watch sermons on TBN. TV Programs on TBN always speak to my heart and make me feel better. I also have increased my prayer life and that has also made me feel better.
sartor
06-09-2005, 06:09 PM
A note to Kimberley35:-
Your story sounds very interesting. My bad breath seems to be at its worst when I have noticable formations in my tonsil crypts. Furthermore, the odour is reduced by cleaning the tonsils of these foul smelling substances.
Just a couple of questions about your story:
1. Did people tell you that your breath was bad before you had your tonsils removed?
How was it described as smelling? e.g. Sour, Bitter
2. Have you had it confimed by another person that your breath no longer smells?
3. Finally, when you had your tonsils and your breath was bad, did you have any other symptoms such as white tongue coating or bad taste?
If these symptoms were present alongside bad breath, have they now diminished/disappeared since you've had your tonsils removed?
Many thanks,
Sartor
Your story sounds very interesting. My bad breath seems to be at its worst when I have noticable formations in my tonsil crypts. Furthermore, the odour is reduced by cleaning the tonsils of these foul smelling substances.
Just a couple of questions about your story:
1. Did people tell you that your breath was bad before you had your tonsils removed?
How was it described as smelling? e.g. Sour, Bitter
2. Have you had it confimed by another person that your breath no longer smells?
3. Finally, when you had your tonsils and your breath was bad, did you have any other symptoms such as white tongue coating or bad taste?
If these symptoms were present alongside bad breath, have they now diminished/disappeared since you've had your tonsils removed?
Many thanks,
Sartor
blase2
06-09-2005, 07:46 PM
Hi Blase,
What do you mean? If I use the zinc gel, I will only notice a positive effect for the first 7-8 days only, my breath will start to smell bad after those days, it doesnt matter if I keep using it after those 8 days?
That's right Echo. After 7-8 days - it is as good as not using it. These days i just tung brush with my clo2 toothpaste.
What do you mean? If I use the zinc gel, I will only notice a positive effect for the first 7-8 days only, my breath will start to smell bad after those days, it doesnt matter if I keep using it after those 8 days?
That's right Echo. After 7-8 days - it is as good as not using it. These days i just tung brush with my clo2 toothpaste.
blase2
06-09-2005, 07:50 PM
Hi Everyone,
I just wanted to say that I suffered from bad breath for a long time. I didn't know why. I tried everything. I was getting those nasty white things stuck in my tonsils, and even when I took them out, my breath still stunk. I was constantly sucking on Altoids, chewing gum...not getting close to anyone to talk, I was so self conscious. I finally got my tonsils taken out. And ever since then, I don't suffer from those white stones in my throat, and my breath smells natural...as long as I don't eat onions and garlic and all that.
The sad thing was, I would eat onions and garlic just so it would reek of that rather than my own bad breath.
Just thought I would share that with you all.
I just love onions. What would be life without onions - fried onions mmm. I can imagine tonsiloliths/heavy pnd mixed with onion and garlic - ugh! You did the right thing by getting tonsils out. I got mine laser zapped a while ago. Thank god for that. Still not BB free but some relief anyway.
I just wanted to say that I suffered from bad breath for a long time. I didn't know why. I tried everything. I was getting those nasty white things stuck in my tonsils, and even when I took them out, my breath still stunk. I was constantly sucking on Altoids, chewing gum...not getting close to anyone to talk, I was so self conscious. I finally got my tonsils taken out. And ever since then, I don't suffer from those white stones in my throat, and my breath smells natural...as long as I don't eat onions and garlic and all that.
The sad thing was, I would eat onions and garlic just so it would reek of that rather than my own bad breath.
Just thought I would share that with you all.
I just love onions. What would be life without onions - fried onions mmm. I can imagine tonsiloliths/heavy pnd mixed with onion and garlic - ugh! You did the right thing by getting tonsils out. I got mine laser zapped a while ago. Thank god for that. Still not BB free but some relief anyway.
blase2
06-09-2005, 07:53 PM
Right now I am just exercising and trying to get the proper amount of sleep each day. I read that exercise really helps relieve stress. Laughing also helps to get rid of stress as well. So, I like to watch the comedy network, it always cracks me up and I release tension. I also take B-12; I read that this vitamin helps give people more energy.
When I have the blues I also read my Bible that really lifts my spirits or I like to watch sermons on TBN. TV Programs on TBN always speak to my heart and make me feel better. I also have increased my prayer life and that has also made me feel better.
i take it you are a very religius person Littlelonestar. B-12 ? That stuff makes my breath baaad and urine yellow. I can't stand it. Do you notice any strange kind of dryness after taking B-12?
When I have the blues I also read my Bible that really lifts my spirits or I like to watch sermons on TBN. TV Programs on TBN always speak to my heart and make me feel better. I also have increased my prayer life and that has also made me feel better.
i take it you are a very religius person Littlelonestar. B-12 ? That stuff makes my breath baaad and urine yellow. I can't stand it. Do you notice any strange kind of dryness after taking B-12?
lucky59
06-10-2005, 05:52 AM
I was wondering, do you think there is a type of mouthwash with zinc in it that would have the same effects as the gel? Does anyone take zinc supplements regularly?
Garrett, glad to hear you're doing better in yourself.
Re zinc mouthwash, I don't know if there are any mouthwash products out there with zinc but my guess is that part of the success I've been having is down to the brush really getting deep into the tongue's surface.
And yes, I have been taking a wide spectrum of supplements including zinc for many years without any noticeable improvement in bb.
lucky.
Garrett, glad to hear you're doing better in yourself.
Re zinc mouthwash, I don't know if there are any mouthwash products out there with zinc but my guess is that part of the success I've been having is down to the brush really getting deep into the tongue's surface.
And yes, I have been taking a wide spectrum of supplements including zinc for many years without any noticeable improvement in bb.
lucky.
lucky59
06-10-2005, 06:01 AM
The effect of zinc gel will last for 7-8 days and then you'll be back where you started. Initial results are positive but observe what happens after 7-8 days.
Hi blase, I couldn't remember who posted some time ago that their experience with the tung brush and gel had been disappointing. Now I realize it was you!
This hasn't been my experience. I have been using it frequently throughout the day, perhaps every four hours for a couple of months now. And in that way I can maintain a fresh feeling pretty much through the day. My girlfriend has not mentioned my breath in all that time.
On the negative side, I think that if I get it too far back in my throat it can act as an irritant and it feels like I have a sore throat for a while.
Best wishes, lucky.
Hi blase, I couldn't remember who posted some time ago that their experience with the tung brush and gel had been disappointing. Now I realize it was you!
This hasn't been my experience. I have been using it frequently throughout the day, perhaps every four hours for a couple of months now. And in that way I can maintain a fresh feeling pretty much through the day. My girlfriend has not mentioned my breath in all that time.
On the negative side, I think that if I get it too far back in my throat it can act as an irritant and it feels like I have a sore throat for a while.
Best wishes, lucky.
littlelonestar
06-10-2005, 02:16 PM
i take it you are a very religius person Littlelonestar. B-12 ? That stuff makes my breath baaad and urine yellow. I can't stand it. Do you notice any strange kind of dryness after taking B-12?
Yes, I am devoted to teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ and teaching others about the future state of our world according to prophecies in the Bible. I plan to go to seminary in the next couple of years and work in children's ministries. Right now I am not going to let bb stop me from doing anything that I want to do. :angel:
No, I did not have any type of dryness after taking B-12. I know that my energy level increased after taking it. I have so many things to do, that sometimes I get drained, and I need something to pick me up so I take B-12. So Blase where did you buy the zinc tongue gel again? Do you think this product really works?
Yes, I am devoted to teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ and teaching others about the future state of our world according to prophecies in the Bible. I plan to go to seminary in the next couple of years and work in children's ministries. Right now I am not going to let bb stop me from doing anything that I want to do. :angel:
No, I did not have any type of dryness after taking B-12. I know that my energy level increased after taking it. I have so many things to do, that sometimes I get drained, and I need something to pick me up so I take B-12. So Blase where did you buy the zinc tongue gel again? Do you think this product really works?
panaSONIQUE
06-10-2005, 05:18 PM
Hello everyone
I posted my own thread, and then found this one, but I have a question, and I cannot seem to find it through this thread.
What is a good diet for banishing bb? I've had this problem for the past 6 months, and i've tried a few things, except a diet/cleansing etc
I think i've tried a product called therabreath, but i just ended up giving up hope
If anyone can give me diet advice, that would be great
Thank youuu!
I posted my own thread, and then found this one, but I have a question, and I cannot seem to find it through this thread.
What is a good diet for banishing bb? I've had this problem for the past 6 months, and i've tried a few things, except a diet/cleansing etc
I think i've tried a product called therabreath, but i just ended up giving up hope
If anyone can give me diet advice, that would be great
Thank youuu!
blase2
06-10-2005, 06:20 PM
Hi blase, I couldn't remember who posted some time ago that their experience with the tung brush and gel had been disappointing. Now I realize it was you!
This hasn't been my experience. I have been using it frequently throughout the day, perhaps every four hours for a couple of months now. And in that way I can maintain a fresh feeling pretty much through the day. My girlfriend has not mentioned my breath in all that time.
On the negative side, I think that if I get it too far back in my throat it can act as an irritant and it feels like I have a sore throat for a while.
Best wishes, lucky.
Lucks,
I still use the tung brush - it's great. I had good results with tung gel lasting for more than 7-8 hours for the first couple of days. But then its effect wore off as days passed and then i discontinued. These days I just tung brush with leftover clo2 toothpaste. Human mouth is weird! I'll try starting it
again - still have a tubeful left.
Re zinc in mouthwash - Tri oral and Thera+ both have zinc. Both useless IMO.
This hasn't been my experience. I have been using it frequently throughout the day, perhaps every four hours for a couple of months now. And in that way I can maintain a fresh feeling pretty much through the day. My girlfriend has not mentioned my breath in all that time.
On the negative side, I think that if I get it too far back in my throat it can act as an irritant and it feels like I have a sore throat for a while.
Best wishes, lucky.
Lucks,
I still use the tung brush - it's great. I had good results with tung gel lasting for more than 7-8 hours for the first couple of days. But then its effect wore off as days passed and then i discontinued. These days I just tung brush with leftover clo2 toothpaste. Human mouth is weird! I'll try starting it
again - still have a tubeful left.
Re zinc in mouthwash - Tri oral and Thera+ both have zinc. Both useless IMO.
blase2
06-10-2005, 06:26 PM
So Blase where did you buy the zinc tongue gel again? Do you think this product really works?
Well I live in the UK and you can get it online. Just search using your search engine - there should be plenty of online shops selling in your country. It is called "tung gel".
Well I don't know. Lucky has had good results but I didn't. Try it .. it's not expensive. Alternatively if you buy tung brush - it ships with a sample tung gel anyway.
Well I live in the UK and you can get it online. Just search using your search engine - there should be plenty of online shops selling in your country. It is called "tung gel".
Well I don't know. Lucky has had good results but I didn't. Try it .. it's not expensive. Alternatively if you buy tung brush - it ships with a sample tung gel anyway.
blase2
06-10-2005, 06:37 PM
Hello everyone
I posted my own thread, and then found this one, but I have a question, and I cannot seem to find it through this thread.
What is a good diet for banishing bb? I've had this problem for the past 6 months, and i've tried a few things, except a diet/cleansing etc
I think i've tried a product called therabreath, but i just ended up giving up hope
If anyone can give me diet advice, that would be great
Thank youuu!
Just six months? You should be able to beat BB without too much effort. It must be caused by some food you are intolerant towards - elimination diet is the only way. There have been quite a few posts on diet but you may not be able to find it as we are on Part 6 now. In summary:
1) Become a veggie
2) No dairy
3) No tea, coffee
4) No sugar
5) No processed foods. Prepare your own.
6) No fruit juice, soda, coke, soft drinks
7) No Alcohol
8) No meat, fish etc.
1) Plenty of fruits esp. Apple, Pear, Watermelon, oranges and fresh pineapple
2) Plenty of vegetables. (include spinach and broccoli every other day)
3) rice is ok
4) Wheat if you can tolerate it.
5) Use dairy free spread
6) Lentils etc. is fine
Once you are on this diet, try introducing offending foods one by one slowly and see which one triggers BB. Avoid eating that food.
if you can't be arsed to do all of the above then try cutting out just dairy and meat completely. it might be your quick answer.
Good Luck.
I posted my own thread, and then found this one, but I have a question, and I cannot seem to find it through this thread.
What is a good diet for banishing bb? I've had this problem for the past 6 months, and i've tried a few things, except a diet/cleansing etc
I think i've tried a product called therabreath, but i just ended up giving up hope
If anyone can give me diet advice, that would be great
Thank youuu!
Just six months? You should be able to beat BB without too much effort. It must be caused by some food you are intolerant towards - elimination diet is the only way. There have been quite a few posts on diet but you may not be able to find it as we are on Part 6 now. In summary:
1) Become a veggie
2) No dairy
3) No tea, coffee
4) No sugar
5) No processed foods. Prepare your own.
6) No fruit juice, soda, coke, soft drinks
7) No Alcohol
8) No meat, fish etc.
1) Plenty of fruits esp. Apple, Pear, Watermelon, oranges and fresh pineapple
2) Plenty of vegetables. (include spinach and broccoli every other day)
3) rice is ok
4) Wheat if you can tolerate it.
5) Use dairy free spread
6) Lentils etc. is fine
Once you are on this diet, try introducing offending foods one by one slowly and see which one triggers BB. Avoid eating that food.
if you can't be arsed to do all of the above then try cutting out just dairy and meat completely. it might be your quick answer.
Good Luck.
desperadoz
06-11-2005, 06:21 PM
Hi Blase,
Thanks a lot for ur recommendations, i'm very desperate because i can't even aplly for a job because of halitosis. So, i've decided to try ur diet suggestions. However, as u have said, dairy should be avoided. But what about yoghurt? Some people assert that it is helpful to beat bb. And i've been eating pure yoghurt with probiotics, do u think that i should also avoid that? And what about macaroni? Can i eat spaghetti but without any meat or sauce in it?
Do u also recommend "cleansing"? What's the best way to start a cleansing please?
Thank you very much.
Thanks a lot for ur recommendations, i'm very desperate because i can't even aplly for a job because of halitosis. So, i've decided to try ur diet suggestions. However, as u have said, dairy should be avoided. But what about yoghurt? Some people assert that it is helpful to beat bb. And i've been eating pure yoghurt with probiotics, do u think that i should also avoid that? And what about macaroni? Can i eat spaghetti but without any meat or sauce in it?
Do u also recommend "cleansing"? What's the best way to start a cleansing please?
Thank you very much.
desperadoz
06-11-2005, 06:23 PM
Oops, sorry, i forgot. I eat toasted sandwich with cheese every morning, is it also bad?
ShroudedInMist
06-12-2005, 10:29 AM
desperadoz,
you could search for the posts "Seeker" has written. Natural yoghurt might be helpful... You should try to eat veggies and fruits etc. I'm sure there are jobs you could apply too, cheer up buddy. :wave:
There haven't been too much messages lately. Maybe people think it is better to ignore this whole 'kin bb. You could be right there. When you don't think about it, the mouth feels cleaner, I believe. It might be stress that increases this problem..
:confused:
you could search for the posts "Seeker" has written. Natural yoghurt might be helpful... You should try to eat veggies and fruits etc. I'm sure there are jobs you could apply too, cheer up buddy. :wave:
There haven't been too much messages lately. Maybe people think it is better to ignore this whole 'kin bb. You could be right there. When you don't think about it, the mouth feels cleaner, I believe. It might be stress that increases this problem..
:confused:
blase2
06-12-2005, 01:37 PM
Hi Blase,
Thanks a lot for ur recommendations, i'm very desperate because i can't even aplly for a job because of halitosis. So, i've decided to try ur diet suggestions. However, as u have said, dairy should be avoided. But what about yoghurt? Some people assert that it is helpful to beat bb. And i've been eating pure yoghurt with probiotics, do u think that i should also avoid that? And what about macaroni? Can i eat spaghetti but without any meat or sauce in it?
Do u also recommend "cleansing"? What's the best way to start a cleansing please?
Thank you very much.
Anything milk related incl. Yoghurt. I know there was a study conducted on the effect of yoghurt on BB but in my five years of thying to beat BB - I've found yoghurt particularly bad esp. when you have PND. Also all these probiotic/prebiotic hype is rubbish.
macaroni? cheese? - you've got to be joking man. Anything made from milk should be avoided.Cheese/butter is particularly bad for BB.
If you can include an oxy powder colon cleanse then it is sufficient. No point getting into that liver flush crap. In my five years of trying I've met only two people who claim to have been cured of BB with liver flush. With just six months of BB, you'd do well to stick to a good diet.
Think eating raw or boiled veggies. Think salad sandwiches without any mayo or butter or cheese or meat etc. Dairy free spread is fine. Soya (chunks/sausages) is fine if you can tolerate it. No pizzas, colas, soft drinks .. drink pure water and lots. No tea coffee. No cheating! Once again prepare your own food so that you know what you are adding.
once you start experimenting the you'll be able to work out what you can and cannot eat. Exercise at least twice a week.
Diet should be able to bring your BB down and give you confidence to attend interviews. Chin up! It is hard if you're very young but look at the brighter side - you'll spend less on food!!
If you have to drink alcohol, drink the ones that is served with lime like corona beer in moderation of course.
Thanks a lot for ur recommendations, i'm very desperate because i can't even aplly for a job because of halitosis. So, i've decided to try ur diet suggestions. However, as u have said, dairy should be avoided. But what about yoghurt? Some people assert that it is helpful to beat bb. And i've been eating pure yoghurt with probiotics, do u think that i should also avoid that? And what about macaroni? Can i eat spaghetti but without any meat or sauce in it?
Do u also recommend "cleansing"? What's the best way to start a cleansing please?
Thank you very much.
Anything milk related incl. Yoghurt. I know there was a study conducted on the effect of yoghurt on BB but in my five years of thying to beat BB - I've found yoghurt particularly bad esp. when you have PND. Also all these probiotic/prebiotic hype is rubbish.
macaroni? cheese? - you've got to be joking man. Anything made from milk should be avoided.Cheese/butter is particularly bad for BB.
If you can include an oxy powder colon cleanse then it is sufficient. No point getting into that liver flush crap. In my five years of trying I've met only two people who claim to have been cured of BB with liver flush. With just six months of BB, you'd do well to stick to a good diet.
Think eating raw or boiled veggies. Think salad sandwiches without any mayo or butter or cheese or meat etc. Dairy free spread is fine. Soya (chunks/sausages) is fine if you can tolerate it. No pizzas, colas, soft drinks .. drink pure water and lots. No tea coffee. No cheating! Once again prepare your own food so that you know what you are adding.
once you start experimenting the you'll be able to work out what you can and cannot eat. Exercise at least twice a week.
Diet should be able to bring your BB down and give you confidence to attend interviews. Chin up! It is hard if you're very young but look at the brighter side - you'll spend less on food!!
If you have to drink alcohol, drink the ones that is served with lime like corona beer in moderation of course.
desperadoz
06-12-2005, 02:06 PM
oh Blase, thanx a lot for your help, you are my man:) I've been reading all of ur posts and i have to say that i've learnt a lot. I've decided to give this diet a shot, i know it is a tough process but i've just graduated from the uni and i have to get rid of this problem to be confident in the job interviews. Last week I had one and it was like hell :(
I won't eat cheese but what about macaroni? Is eating sphagetti without meat or sauce bad for bb? And there r some veggie pizzas in the market, can i still have them, or still forbidden :nono:
Finally, sometimes i eat eggs but cooked with olive oil, is it also bad?
I'm terribly sorry for taking ur time but i'm serious about starting to this diet and i rely on ur advices. Thanks a lot.
P.S: I also want to try Oxy-Powder, i've checked the website and i think it is available in the US, but i live in Germany so maybe there is another web page that is selling this powder, i just wanted to ask. Thanks again. :wave:
Anything milk related incl. Yoghurt. I know there was a study conducted on the effect of yoghurt on BB but in my five years of thying to beat BB - I've found yoghurt particularly bad esp. when you have PND. Also all these probiotic/prebiotic hype is rubbish.
macaroni? cheese? - you've got to be joking man. Anything made from milk should be avoided.Cheese/butter is particularly bad for BB.
If you can include an oxy powder colon cleanse then it is sufficient. No point getting into that liver flush crap. In my five years of trying I've met only two people who claim to have been cured of BB with liver flush. With just six months of BB, you'd do well to stick to a good diet.
Think eating raw or boiled veggies. Think salad sandwiches without any mayo or butter or cheese or meat etc. Dairy free spread is fine. Soya (chunks/sausages) is fine if you can tolerate it. No pizzas, colas, soft drinks .. drink pure water and lots. No tea coffee. No cheating! Once again prepare your own food so that you know what you are adding.
once you start experimenting the you'll be able to work out what you can and cannot eat. Exercise at least twice a week.
Diet should be able to bring your BB down and give you confidence to attend interviews. Chin up! It is hard if you're very young but look at the brighter side - you'll spend less on food!!
If you have to drink alcohol, drink the ones that is served with lime like corona beer in moderation of course.
I won't eat cheese but what about macaroni? Is eating sphagetti without meat or sauce bad for bb? And there r some veggie pizzas in the market, can i still have them, or still forbidden :nono:
Finally, sometimes i eat eggs but cooked with olive oil, is it also bad?
I'm terribly sorry for taking ur time but i'm serious about starting to this diet and i rely on ur advices. Thanks a lot.
P.S: I also want to try Oxy-Powder, i've checked the website and i think it is available in the US, but i live in Germany so maybe there is another web page that is selling this powder, i just wanted to ask. Thanks again. :wave:
Anything milk related incl. Yoghurt. I know there was a study conducted on the effect of yoghurt on BB but in my five years of thying to beat BB - I've found yoghurt particularly bad esp. when you have PND. Also all these probiotic/prebiotic hype is rubbish.
macaroni? cheese? - you've got to be joking man. Anything made from milk should be avoided.Cheese/butter is particularly bad for BB.
If you can include an oxy powder colon cleanse then it is sufficient. No point getting into that liver flush crap. In my five years of trying I've met only two people who claim to have been cured of BB with liver flush. With just six months of BB, you'd do well to stick to a good diet.
Think eating raw or boiled veggies. Think salad sandwiches without any mayo or butter or cheese or meat etc. Dairy free spread is fine. Soya (chunks/sausages) is fine if you can tolerate it. No pizzas, colas, soft drinks .. drink pure water and lots. No tea coffee. No cheating! Once again prepare your own food so that you know what you are adding.
once you start experimenting the you'll be able to work out what you can and cannot eat. Exercise at least twice a week.
Diet should be able to bring your BB down and give you confidence to attend interviews. Chin up! It is hard if you're very young but look at the brighter side - you'll spend less on food!!
If you have to drink alcohol, drink the ones that is served with lime like corona beer in moderation of course.
blase2
06-14-2005, 05:23 PM
oh Blase, thanx a lot for your help, you are my man:) I've been reading all of ur posts and i have to say that i've learnt a lot. I've decided to give this diet a shot, i know it is a tough process but i've just graduated from the uni and i have to get rid of this problem to be confident in the job interviews. Last week I had one and it was like hell :(
I won't eat cheese but what about macaroni? Is eating sphagetti without meat or sauce bad for bb? And there r some veggie pizzas in the market, can i still have them, or still forbidden :nono:
Finally, sometimes i eat eggs but cooked with olive oil, is it also bad?
I'm terribly sorry for taking ur time but i'm serious about starting to this diet and i rely on ur advices. Thanks a lot.
P.S: I also want to try Oxy-Powder, i've checked the website and i think it is available in the US, but i live in Germany so maybe there is another web page that is selling this powder, i just wanted to ask. Thanks again. :wave:
You wuld do well to avoid eggs in the beginning.Well macaroni is wheat isn't it? So it should be OK but careful about the sauces.
White flour is bad - pizzas, white bread etc. Brown bread and Brown baps is what you should be aiming for. Forget pizza .. No prepared stuff from the market. Prepare your own food.
You should be able to get Oxy powder there. note that your breath will become pretty bad during the cleanse.
I won't eat cheese but what about macaroni? Is eating sphagetti without meat or sauce bad for bb? And there r some veggie pizzas in the market, can i still have them, or still forbidden :nono:
Finally, sometimes i eat eggs but cooked with olive oil, is it also bad?
I'm terribly sorry for taking ur time but i'm serious about starting to this diet and i rely on ur advices. Thanks a lot.
P.S: I also want to try Oxy-Powder, i've checked the website and i think it is available in the US, but i live in Germany so maybe there is another web page that is selling this powder, i just wanted to ask. Thanks again. :wave:
You wuld do well to avoid eggs in the beginning.Well macaroni is wheat isn't it? So it should be OK but careful about the sauces.
White flour is bad - pizzas, white bread etc. Brown bread and Brown baps is what you should be aiming for. Forget pizza .. No prepared stuff from the market. Prepare your own food.
You should be able to get Oxy powder there. note that your breath will become pretty bad during the cleanse.
(((ECHO)))
06-14-2005, 08:56 PM
Hi everyone.
Like I said before, I've had the bad breath problem since I was 7 years old and I'm now 21. The problem I have is that my saliva is very very thick, my tounge is hairy and white, I always feel really bad smell/taste in my sinus, but I very rarely have tonsil stones, and if there are any, they are very tiny. I have tried a lot of things, like Hydrogen Peroxide, Therabreath, Tung Gel, Zinc and sinus medication, but nothing has worked. I never knew what caused my problems, but i think I do now.
When I was 7 years old I had an accident and injured my left leg's Achilles tendon and had to have a surgery. After the surgery I was hospitalized for about 2 months and was given tons of medication because my leg developed a very strong infection. My leg is perfect now, but since then I have BB problems.
What should I do now? a colon cleanse with Oxy-Powder and take latero flora probotics? I have no idea. Please help, the best years of my life are gone now, and I don't want to be like this for the rest of my life.
I apolagize for my bad writing. English is my second language.
Like I said before, I've had the bad breath problem since I was 7 years old and I'm now 21. The problem I have is that my saliva is very very thick, my tounge is hairy and white, I always feel really bad smell/taste in my sinus, but I very rarely have tonsil stones, and if there are any, they are very tiny. I have tried a lot of things, like Hydrogen Peroxide, Therabreath, Tung Gel, Zinc and sinus medication, but nothing has worked. I never knew what caused my problems, but i think I do now.
When I was 7 years old I had an accident and injured my left leg's Achilles tendon and had to have a surgery. After the surgery I was hospitalized for about 2 months and was given tons of medication because my leg developed a very strong infection. My leg is perfect now, but since then I have BB problems.
What should I do now? a colon cleanse with Oxy-Powder and take latero flora probotics? I have no idea. Please help, the best years of my life are gone now, and I don't want to be like this for the rest of my life.
I apolagize for my bad writing. English is my second language.
Thanatos86
06-15-2005, 08:24 PM
Blase, I'm begining to think that the yogurt study was just a scam. The study was conducted by Japanese researchers and funded by a Japanese Yogurt company.
The yogurt maker that helped fund the study hopes to make its product commercially available this fall.
The yogurt maker that helped fund the study hopes to make its product commercially available this fall.
ShroudedInMist
06-16-2005, 11:31 AM
Oh man, those Japanese yoghurt dudes really tricked us. And I ate that crappy-tasting yoghurt for almost two months. :bouncing: Should I ever encounter those little villains, I would surely teach them some manners :nono: I'm still glad you told us, Thanatos.
How is it going everybody? You're all enjoying summer?
How is it going everybody? You're all enjoying summer?
desperadoz
06-16-2005, 02:59 PM
Blase thanx again,
I've just ordered Oxy-powder and i hope it works for me..
I'm doing good with my diet, no pizzas, no meat, no dairy and low sugar. Thanks Blase, now i really feel better and i hope all of us will beat this halitosis one day.
Yes, macaroni is made of wheat so no need to avoid, great :bouncing: but having breakfast with this strict diet is too difficult, i can only eat fruit or tomatos because no dairy means no cereals and no toasted sandwiches with cheese. i was planning to eat eggs for the breakfast but as u said i have to avoid it too, is it a must Blase?
good luck everyone..
You wuld do well to avoid eggs in the beginning.Well macaroni is wheat isn't it? So it should be OK but careful about the sauces.
White flour is bad - pizzas, white bread etc. Brown bread and Brown baps is what you should be aiming for. Forget pizza .. No prepared stuff from the market. Prepare your own food.
You should be able to get Oxy powder there. note that your breath will become pretty bad during the cleanse.
I've just ordered Oxy-powder and i hope it works for me..
I'm doing good with my diet, no pizzas, no meat, no dairy and low sugar. Thanks Blase, now i really feel better and i hope all of us will beat this halitosis one day.
Yes, macaroni is made of wheat so no need to avoid, great :bouncing: but having breakfast with this strict diet is too difficult, i can only eat fruit or tomatos because no dairy means no cereals and no toasted sandwiches with cheese. i was planning to eat eggs for the breakfast but as u said i have to avoid it too, is it a must Blase?
good luck everyone..
You wuld do well to avoid eggs in the beginning.Well macaroni is wheat isn't it? So it should be OK but careful about the sauces.
White flour is bad - pizzas, white bread etc. Brown bread and Brown baps is what you should be aiming for. Forget pizza .. No prepared stuff from the market. Prepare your own food.
You should be able to get Oxy powder there. note that your breath will become pretty bad during the cleanse.
panaSONIQUE
06-16-2005, 04:18 PM
Ive started today and it's a little hard so far. I love bagels and I love cheese,but one of my coworkers made a really mean comment. I was making a coffee, and she said "ew, how can you drink that? how do you get rid of coffee breath?" then she said "hey dont you get bb from drinking coffee?" and i went out the door and ignored her, and once more she asked me what i do for bb. It was a nice motivation though to start this diet. I'm drinking lots of water today, and I exerscised. Can you eat fish on the diet??
blase2
06-16-2005, 05:19 PM
Hi everyone.
Like I said before, I've had the bad breath problem since I was 7 years old and I'm now 21. The problem I have is that my saliva is very very thick, my tounge is hairy and white, I always feel really bad smell/taste in my sinus, but I very rarely have tonsil stones, and if there are any, they are very tiny. I have tried a lot of things, like Hydrogen Peroxide, Therabreath, Tung Gel, Zinc and sinus medication, but nothing has worked. I never knew what caused my problems, but i think I do now.
When I was 7 years old I had an accident and injured my left leg's Achilles tendon and had to have a surgery. After the surgery I was hospitalized for about 2 months and was given tons of medication because my leg developed a very strong infection. My leg is perfect now, but since then I have BB problems.
What should I do now? a colon cleanse with Oxy-Powder and take latero flora probotics? I have no idea. Please help, the best years of my life are gone now, and I don't want to be like this for the rest of my life.
I apolagize for my bad writing. English is my second language.
Your best years are about to begin! You're only 21 for crying out loud. Wait till you reach 30 ...
Anti biotics .. maybe they ruined your healthy bacterial flora. You'll have to change your diet I'm afraid. Yeah throw in a Oxy powder cleanse .. it won't cure your BB but will ensure that your intestines are cleared of toxins. You can try probiotics - how many actually end up in the intestines has always been a question mark.
Like I said before, I've had the bad breath problem since I was 7 years old and I'm now 21. The problem I have is that my saliva is very very thick, my tounge is hairy and white, I always feel really bad smell/taste in my sinus, but I very rarely have tonsil stones, and if there are any, they are very tiny. I have tried a lot of things, like Hydrogen Peroxide, Therabreath, Tung Gel, Zinc and sinus medication, but nothing has worked. I never knew what caused my problems, but i think I do now.
When I was 7 years old I had an accident and injured my left leg's Achilles tendon and had to have a surgery. After the surgery I was hospitalized for about 2 months and was given tons of medication because my leg developed a very strong infection. My leg is perfect now, but since then I have BB problems.
What should I do now? a colon cleanse with Oxy-Powder and take latero flora probotics? I have no idea. Please help, the best years of my life are gone now, and I don't want to be like this for the rest of my life.
I apolagize for my bad writing. English is my second language.
Your best years are about to begin! You're only 21 for crying out loud. Wait till you reach 30 ...
Anti biotics .. maybe they ruined your healthy bacterial flora. You'll have to change your diet I'm afraid. Yeah throw in a Oxy powder cleanse .. it won't cure your BB but will ensure that your intestines are cleared of toxins. You can try probiotics - how many actually end up in the intestines has always been a question mark.
blase2
06-16-2005, 05:20 PM
Blase, I'm begining to think that the yogurt study was just a scam. The study was conducted by Japanese researchers and funded by a Japanese Yogurt company.
The yogurt maker that helped fund the study hopes to make its product commercially available this fall.
Than,
I never believed that study. Yoghurt has always made my bb really bad. I just stay away from it.
The yogurt maker that helped fund the study hopes to make its product commercially available this fall.
Than,
I never believed that study. Yoghurt has always made my bb really bad. I just stay away from it.
blase2
06-16-2005, 05:26 PM
Blase thanx again,
I've just ordered Oxy-powder and i hope it works for me..
I'm doing good with my diet, no pizzas, no meat, no dairy and low sugar. Thanks Blase, now i really feel better and i hope all of us will beat this halitosis one day.
Yes, macaroni is made of wheat so no need to avoid, great :bouncing: but having breakfast with this strict diet is too difficult, i can only eat fruit or tomatos because no dairy means no cereals and no toasted sandwiches with cheese. i was planning to eat eggs for the breakfast but as u said i have to avoid it too, is it a must Blase?
good luck everyone..
Try also making that low sugar to no sugar.Yes Breakfast is a bit of a pain. But if you consider breakfast to be just another meal and eat a light sandwich with a fruit. Thanatos is into oatmeal .. see if you can tolerate it. You can eat a toast but not cheese... toast wth a dairy free spead is fine. I'm afraid you'll have to avoid eggs. Once you're on this diet for a month or so.. then try introducing eggs and see if it makes it worse.
I've just ordered Oxy-powder and i hope it works for me..
I'm doing good with my diet, no pizzas, no meat, no dairy and low sugar. Thanks Blase, now i really feel better and i hope all of us will beat this halitosis one day.
Yes, macaroni is made of wheat so no need to avoid, great :bouncing: but having breakfast with this strict diet is too difficult, i can only eat fruit or tomatos because no dairy means no cereals and no toasted sandwiches with cheese. i was planning to eat eggs for the breakfast but as u said i have to avoid it too, is it a must Blase?
good luck everyone..
Try also making that low sugar to no sugar.Yes Breakfast is a bit of a pain. But if you consider breakfast to be just another meal and eat a light sandwich with a fruit. Thanatos is into oatmeal .. see if you can tolerate it. You can eat a toast but not cheese... toast wth a dairy free spead is fine. I'm afraid you'll have to avoid eggs. Once you're on this diet for a month or so.. then try introducing eggs and see if it makes it worse.
blase2
06-16-2005, 05:33 PM
Ive started today and it's a little hard so far. I love bagels and I love cheese,but one of my coworkers made a really mean comment. I was making a coffee, and she said "ew, how can you drink that? how do you get rid of coffee breath?" then she said "hey dont you get bb from drinking coffee?" and i went out the door and ignored her, and once more she asked me what i do for bb. It was a nice motivation though to start this diet. I'm drinking lots of water today, and I exerscised. Can you eat fish on the diet??
I just hate those kind of people who keep pestering you even when you know you have BB. Fish is a no no and stay a mile away from tea, coffee, meat, fish, cheese, all dairy, yoghurt, fruit juice, Eggs and sugar.
I just hate those kind of people who keep pestering you even when you know you have BB. Fish is a no no and stay a mile away from tea, coffee, meat, fish, cheese, all dairy, yoghurt, fruit juice, Eggs and sugar.
lucky59
06-17-2005, 04:23 AM
Fish is a no no and stay a mile away from ..... meat, fish, cheese, all dairy, yoghurt...... Eggs.....
Hi Blase, such a diet, vegan will not supply vitamin B12. So you'd need to take it in supplement form or in a fortified product.
As I've pointed out before, there are two main schools of thought on this thread (and in life generally).
1. Holistic.
2. Local.
1. The holistic approach to bb suggests that we have bb because the body is somehow out of whack. It's so full of toxins etc that we exude bb as a symptom of the mess inside us. And the solution is to somehow get the body back on track, by detoxifying, internal cleansing, supplying a broad spectrum of vitamins and minerals to fill any 'gaps', etc.
I have some sympathy with this outlook. But only some. I am sceptical that it is the origin of bb in the majority of cases, and in particular, my case. I suspect that in most cases of chronic bb, there is nothing actually wrong with the person. ie nothing to be cured.
2. The local approach suggests we have an overgrowth of 'offending' bacteria on or around our tongues/throat and that the overgrowth is there for reasons that are not clear but are very resistant to permanent reduction. That these bacteria feed on a variety of foods including the foods we eat, the tissues of our mouth, our saliva, mucus from our noses, etc.
I write all this because whichever is the predominant cause in our individual cases leads us towards a very distinct approach to the control of our bb. To ignore either one can leave us 'barking up the wrong tree' as we say here in UK (do you use the same expression in US?).
Ironically, cutting out too many 'offending' foods may leave us deficient in vital vitamins/minerals that adds to the likelihood that our bodies can no longer function efficiently.
Best wishes, lucky.
Hi Blase, such a diet, vegan will not supply vitamin B12. So you'd need to take it in supplement form or in a fortified product.
As I've pointed out before, there are two main schools of thought on this thread (and in life generally).
1. Holistic.
2. Local.
1. The holistic approach to bb suggests that we have bb because the body is somehow out of whack. It's so full of toxins etc that we exude bb as a symptom of the mess inside us. And the solution is to somehow get the body back on track, by detoxifying, internal cleansing, supplying a broad spectrum of vitamins and minerals to fill any 'gaps', etc.
I have some sympathy with this outlook. But only some. I am sceptical that it is the origin of bb in the majority of cases, and in particular, my case. I suspect that in most cases of chronic bb, there is nothing actually wrong with the person. ie nothing to be cured.
2. The local approach suggests we have an overgrowth of 'offending' bacteria on or around our tongues/throat and that the overgrowth is there for reasons that are not clear but are very resistant to permanent reduction. That these bacteria feed on a variety of foods including the foods we eat, the tissues of our mouth, our saliva, mucus from our noses, etc.
I write all this because whichever is the predominant cause in our individual cases leads us towards a very distinct approach to the control of our bb. To ignore either one can leave us 'barking up the wrong tree' as we say here in UK (do you use the same expression in US?).
Ironically, cutting out too many 'offending' foods may leave us deficient in vital vitamins/minerals that adds to the likelihood that our bodies can no longer function efficiently.
Best wishes, lucky.
Godisgood
06-17-2005, 01:41 PM
BLASE2
YOU mentioned that you had your tonsils zapped. I'm really considering having that done...but I live in the states and I can't find a doctor who does it...
I wanted to know where you had it done. How long did it take? How much did it cost in dollars? and Do you think if you went back to for a repeat zap that your breath will be completely gone. How much of the zapping affected your breath?...like in percentage? Was the change immediate?
And how was your breath before?? Do or did you have a bad taste in your mouth and how did you know that the treatment would be good for you.
YOU mentioned that you had your tonsils zapped. I'm really considering having that done...but I live in the states and I can't find a doctor who does it...
I wanted to know where you had it done. How long did it take? How much did it cost in dollars? and Do you think if you went back to for a repeat zap that your breath will be completely gone. How much of the zapping affected your breath?...like in percentage? Was the change immediate?
And how was your breath before?? Do or did you have a bad taste in your mouth and how did you know that the treatment would be good for you.
Diggler
06-17-2005, 05:43 PM
Hi guys,
Glad to see people still posting away, good to hear from people.
I've been very busy recently trying to come to some logical explanations.
However, in order to confirm some of my theories I really need the help of everyone else on here so I can compare various cases.
Please can you tell me if you suffer from, or have suffered from in the past, any of the following conditions / complaints:
· Hay Fever
· Allergic Rhinitis
· Seasonal Rhinitis
· Other allergies (food?)
· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc)
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?)
· Post Nasal Drip
· White Coating on tongue
· Tonsil Stones
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing)
· Dry mouth
· Asthma
· Eczema
· Psoriasis
· Hives
· Joint pains
· Acne - Face or body
· Oily skin
· Dark Circles under Eyes
· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes
· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin
· Recurrent Indigestion
· Heartburn
· Acid Reflux
Please, please, please take the time to do this for me, it's really important that i get a picture of other peoples conditions, so I can add some weight to my theory before I continue.
Thanks guys, I would really appreicate it.
Best wishes.
Glad to see people still posting away, good to hear from people.
I've been very busy recently trying to come to some logical explanations.
However, in order to confirm some of my theories I really need the help of everyone else on here so I can compare various cases.
Please can you tell me if you suffer from, or have suffered from in the past, any of the following conditions / complaints:
· Hay Fever
· Allergic Rhinitis
· Seasonal Rhinitis
· Other allergies (food?)
· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc)
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?)
· Post Nasal Drip
· White Coating on tongue
· Tonsil Stones
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing)
· Dry mouth
· Asthma
· Eczema
· Psoriasis
· Hives
· Joint pains
· Acne - Face or body
· Oily skin
· Dark Circles under Eyes
· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes
· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin
· Recurrent Indigestion
· Heartburn
· Acid Reflux
Please, please, please take the time to do this for me, it's really important that i get a picture of other peoples conditions, so I can add some weight to my theory before I continue.
Thanks guys, I would really appreicate it.
Best wishes.
panaSONIQUE
06-17-2005, 05:46 PM
I get heartburn and have acid reflux. I get tonsil stones on occassion, and sometimes get unexplained rashes, although it could be a heat rash. I also used to have post nasal drip, but it seems to be getting better.
Hope that helps
Hope that helps
peachpit
06-18-2005, 01:23 AM
Hi guys,
Glad to see people still posting away, good to hear from people.
I've been very busy recently trying to come to some logical explanations.
However, in order to confirm some of my theories I really need the help of everyone else on here so I can compare various cases.
Please can you tell me if you suffer from, or have suffered from in the past, any of the following conditions / complaints:
· Hay Fever
· Allergic Rhinitis
· Seasonal Rhinitis
· Other allergies (food?)
· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc)
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?)
· Post Nasal Drip
· White Coating on tongue
· Tonsil Stones
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing)
· Dry mouth
· Asthma
· Eczema
· Psoriasis
· Hives
· Joint pains
· Acne - Face or body
· Oily skin
· Dark Circles under Eyes
· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes
· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin
· Recurrent Indigestion
· Heartburn
· Acid Reflux
Please, please, please take the time to do this for me, it's really important that i get a picture of other peoples conditions, so I can add some weight to my theory before I continue.
Thanks guys, I would really appreicate it.
Best wishes.
- Some sort of allergies (not sure why, sometimes I just get uncontrollable watery eyes, runny nose, etc. Doc gave my zyrtec which I only take as needed, maybe 1-2 times a month)
- allergic to Mangoes (get small blisters on lips if I eat them)
- Blocked nose – one nostril – almost constantly
- white coating on tongue always
- no more tonsil stones (had tonsils removed Jan 04 the old fashioned scalpel way, didn’t help any but left me with a yearning for more vicodin :)
- Ears that pop or crackle, this is probably almost as big a problem for me as my bb. Really bad for me, went to a bunch of ents for this a few years back. Basically said my Eustachian tubes are screwed, the term was ‘bilateral patuous patent Eustachian tubes’ or something like that. Actually when I started having these ear problems in '97 is when I started getting bb.
- occasional acne
- oily skin
- occasional irregular heartbeat, maybe once a month it feels like it skips for a few seconds, been to doctor but couldn’t find anything.
I used to post here a lot, you can probably search for my previous posts to see everything I've tried myself, believe me I've been there.
I do notice that the only time it doesn't seem to be a problem for me is in a bar, don't know if it's from me drinking alcohol that kills the bb, or because I'm not so stressed about it and it isn't making it worse. But I rarely get the nose rub or similar reactions at a bar as compared to at work.
Glad to see people still posting away, good to hear from people.
I've been very busy recently trying to come to some logical explanations.
However, in order to confirm some of my theories I really need the help of everyone else on here so I can compare various cases.
Please can you tell me if you suffer from, or have suffered from in the past, any of the following conditions / complaints:
· Hay Fever
· Allergic Rhinitis
· Seasonal Rhinitis
· Other allergies (food?)
· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc)
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?)
· Post Nasal Drip
· White Coating on tongue
· Tonsil Stones
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing)
· Dry mouth
· Asthma
· Eczema
· Psoriasis
· Hives
· Joint pains
· Acne - Face or body
· Oily skin
· Dark Circles under Eyes
· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes
· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin
· Recurrent Indigestion
· Heartburn
· Acid Reflux
Please, please, please take the time to do this for me, it's really important that i get a picture of other peoples conditions, so I can add some weight to my theory before I continue.
Thanks guys, I would really appreicate it.
Best wishes.
- Some sort of allergies (not sure why, sometimes I just get uncontrollable watery eyes, runny nose, etc. Doc gave my zyrtec which I only take as needed, maybe 1-2 times a month)
- allergic to Mangoes (get small blisters on lips if I eat them)
- Blocked nose – one nostril – almost constantly
- white coating on tongue always
- no more tonsil stones (had tonsils removed Jan 04 the old fashioned scalpel way, didn’t help any but left me with a yearning for more vicodin :)
- Ears that pop or crackle, this is probably almost as big a problem for me as my bb. Really bad for me, went to a bunch of ents for this a few years back. Basically said my Eustachian tubes are screwed, the term was ‘bilateral patuous patent Eustachian tubes’ or something like that. Actually when I started having these ear problems in '97 is when I started getting bb.
- occasional acne
- oily skin
- occasional irregular heartbeat, maybe once a month it feels like it skips for a few seconds, been to doctor but couldn’t find anything.
I used to post here a lot, you can probably search for my previous posts to see everything I've tried myself, believe me I've been there.
I do notice that the only time it doesn't seem to be a problem for me is in a bar, don't know if it's from me drinking alcohol that kills the bb, or because I'm not so stressed about it and it isn't making it worse. But I rarely get the nose rub or similar reactions at a bar as compared to at work.
mearth
06-18-2005, 08:10 AM
I have dark circles, pnd, acid reflux and a coated tongue. In the past I have had occasional joint pain but exercise has helped in that department.
ShroudedInMist
06-18-2005, 08:26 AM
[B]To Diggler[B]
I copied your questions here, and answered everyone of them.
· Hay Fever -Yes, I think so. When it's summertime I'm constantly sneezing etc
· Allergic Rhinitis - Yes, dust
· Seasonal Rhinitis - Yes, pollen allergy
· Other allergies (food?) Yes, apples, cherries, bananas...
· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc) - Yes, quite often, But it might be because of the other allergies too. In winters my nose is constantly runny
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?) - Quite often my nostrils are filled with dried mucus
· Post Nasal Drip - Yes, there is that stuff that I'm constantly swalloving
· White Coating on tongue - Yes
· Tonsil Stones - Not very often, they're quite small when I experience them
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing) - Yes, I actually paid attention to it, when I red this
· Dry mouth - Sometimes
· Asthma - No, but it appears in my family
· Eczema - No
· Psoriasis - No
· Hives - Certain foods may cause it (banana for example)
· Joint pains - No
· Acne - Face or body - No. Of course there are a few pimples, but I think that's not acne
· Oily skin - My nose is quite oily... Another useful piece of trivia
· Dark Circles under Eyes - Yes. But not very conspicuous
· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes - Yes, bloodshot eyes
· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin - No
· Recurrent Indigestion - No
· Heartburn - No
· Acid Reflux - No
but there are some digestion problems in my family
I hope this helped, and this is clear to read. And BTW, I knew a person who was constantly clearing her throat (probably post nasal drip), and had a BB.
I copied your questions here, and answered everyone of them.
· Hay Fever -Yes, I think so. When it's summertime I'm constantly sneezing etc
· Allergic Rhinitis - Yes, dust
· Seasonal Rhinitis - Yes, pollen allergy
· Other allergies (food?) Yes, apples, cherries, bananas...
· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc) - Yes, quite often, But it might be because of the other allergies too. In winters my nose is constantly runny
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?) - Quite often my nostrils are filled with dried mucus
· Post Nasal Drip - Yes, there is that stuff that I'm constantly swalloving
· White Coating on tongue - Yes
· Tonsil Stones - Not very often, they're quite small when I experience them
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing) - Yes, I actually paid attention to it, when I red this
· Dry mouth - Sometimes
· Asthma - No, but it appears in my family
· Eczema - No
· Psoriasis - No
· Hives - Certain foods may cause it (banana for example)
· Joint pains - No
· Acne - Face or body - No. Of course there are a few pimples, but I think that's not acne
· Oily skin - My nose is quite oily... Another useful piece of trivia
· Dark Circles under Eyes - Yes. But not very conspicuous
· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes - Yes, bloodshot eyes
· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin - No
· Recurrent Indigestion - No
· Heartburn - No
· Acid Reflux - No
but there are some digestion problems in my family
I hope this helped, and this is clear to read. And BTW, I knew a person who was constantly clearing her throat (probably post nasal drip), and had a BB.
blase2
06-18-2005, 09:44 AM
Hi Blase, such a diet, vegan will not supply vitamin B12. So you'd need to take it in supplement form or in a fortified product.
Best wishes, lucky.
Sorry yes Lucky I forgot to mention - I do take B12 supplements. This diet a modelled on a vegan sort of diet wich somehow brings down BB to tolerable levels.
Best wishes, lucky.
Sorry yes Lucky I forgot to mention - I do take B12 supplements. This diet a modelled on a vegan sort of diet wich somehow brings down BB to tolerable levels.
blase2
06-18-2005, 09:49 AM
[QUOTE=Godisgood]BLASE2
YOU mentioned that you had your tonsils zapped. I'm really considering having that done...but I live in the states and I can't find a doctor who does it...
I wanted to know where you had it done. How long did it take? How much did it cost in dollars? and Do you think if you went back to for a repeat zap that your breath will be completely gone. How much of the zapping affected your breath?...like in percentage? Was the change immediate?
And how was your breath before?? Do or did you have a bad taste in your mouth and how did you know that the treatment would be good for you.[/QUOTE
Godisgood,
i had mine done at London laser clinic. It costs about 1000 pounds. I went for a co2 laser reduction. My tonsils were pretty small - so it took just one go under local anaesthetic. It is no miracle cure for your BB. But you'll get some sort of a relief I'm sure esp if you have PND and tonsiloliths.
I still have BB yes. There s no cure at this stage unfortunately.
YOU mentioned that you had your tonsils zapped. I'm really considering having that done...but I live in the states and I can't find a doctor who does it...
I wanted to know where you had it done. How long did it take? How much did it cost in dollars? and Do you think if you went back to for a repeat zap that your breath will be completely gone. How much of the zapping affected your breath?...like in percentage? Was the change immediate?
And how was your breath before?? Do or did you have a bad taste in your mouth and how did you know that the treatment would be good for you.[/QUOTE
Godisgood,
i had mine done at London laser clinic. It costs about 1000 pounds. I went for a co2 laser reduction. My tonsils were pretty small - so it took just one go under local anaesthetic. It is no miracle cure for your BB. But you'll get some sort of a relief I'm sure esp if you have PND and tonsiloliths.
I still have BB yes. There s no cure at this stage unfortunately.
blase2
06-18-2005, 09:57 AM
· Hay Fever
Nope
· Allergic Rhinitis
Nope
· Seasonal Rhinitis
Nope
· Other allergies (food?)
Milk, eggs make my PND bad. I get itchy bottom many times
· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc)
Nope
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?)
Nope
· Post Nasal Drip
Not much - used to be heavy but gone down with diet and colon cleanse.
· White Coating on tongue
Not much
· Tonsil Stones
got my tonsils removed - so none.
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing)
Sometimes
· Dry mouth
Not much
· Asthma
Allergic to dust a bit
· Eczema
I've ha d pretty good number of skin problems in the past. Itchy bottom, jock itch, discharge from belly button. But now I'm left with itchy bottom only
· Psoriasis
Nope
· Hives
Nope
· Joint pains
Nope
· Acne - Face or body
Nope
· Oily skin
Nope - sometimes
· Dark Circles under Eyes
Nope
· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes
nope. Increased heart rate maybe
· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin
Nope
· Recurrent Indigestion
i suffer from flatulence - odorless mostly
· Heartburn
Nope
· Acid Reflux
Nope
Nope
· Allergic Rhinitis
Nope
· Seasonal Rhinitis
Nope
· Other allergies (food?)
Milk, eggs make my PND bad. I get itchy bottom many times
· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc)
Nope
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?)
Nope
· Post Nasal Drip
Not much - used to be heavy but gone down with diet and colon cleanse.
· White Coating on tongue
Not much
· Tonsil Stones
got my tonsils removed - so none.
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing)
Sometimes
· Dry mouth
Not much
· Asthma
Allergic to dust a bit
· Eczema
I've ha d pretty good number of skin problems in the past. Itchy bottom, jock itch, discharge from belly button. But now I'm left with itchy bottom only
· Psoriasis
Nope
· Hives
Nope
· Joint pains
Nope
· Acne - Face or body
Nope
· Oily skin
Nope - sometimes
· Dark Circles under Eyes
Nope
· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes
nope. Increased heart rate maybe
· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin
Nope
· Recurrent Indigestion
i suffer from flatulence - odorless mostly
· Heartburn
Nope
· Acid Reflux
Nope
Thanatos86
06-18-2005, 10:54 AM
· Hay Fever - no
· Allergic Rhinitis - no
· Seasonal Rhinitis - no
· Other allergies (food?) - no
· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc) - occasionally. Take diphenhydramine nightly to sleep.
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?) - Since starting sleeping pills
· Post Nasal Drip - no
· White Coating on tongue - yes
· Tonsil Stones - tonsils removed at young age
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing) - no
· Dry mouth - yes
· Asthma - yes but no longer have it under normal circustances
· Eczema - no
· Psoriasis - no
· Hives - no
· Joint pains - no besides those du to injuries
· Acne - Face or body - no
· Oily skin - face
· Dark Circles under Eyes - sometimes
· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes - no
· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin - no
· Recurrent Indigestion - no
· Heartburn - no
· Acid Reflux - no
· Allergic Rhinitis - no
· Seasonal Rhinitis - no
· Other allergies (food?) - no
· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc) - occasionally. Take diphenhydramine nightly to sleep.
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?) - Since starting sleeping pills
· Post Nasal Drip - no
· White Coating on tongue - yes
· Tonsil Stones - tonsils removed at young age
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing) - no
· Dry mouth - yes
· Asthma - yes but no longer have it under normal circustances
· Eczema - no
· Psoriasis - no
· Hives - no
· Joint pains - no besides those du to injuries
· Acne - Face or body - no
· Oily skin - face
· Dark Circles under Eyes - sometimes
· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes - no
· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin - no
· Recurrent Indigestion - no
· Heartburn - no
· Acid Reflux - no
Thanatos86
06-18-2005, 10:57 AM
garrett,
if you and your girlfriend end up breaking up, will you ever pursue a relationship before curing your breath?
if you and your girlfriend end up breaking up, will you ever pursue a relationship before curing your breath?
olivia33
06-18-2005, 11:37 AM
Diggler:
Hay Fever - yes
· Allergic Rhinitis - yes
· Seasonal Rhinitis - yes
· Other allergies - yes
· Sinus Problems - yes
· Blocked Nose upon waking - yes
· Post Nasal Drip - yes
· White Coating on tongue - yes
· Tonsil Stones - used to, now they are gone
· Mucus in ears - rarely
· Dry mouth - yes
· Asthma - yes
· Eczema - no
· Psoriasis - no
· Hives - no
· Joint pains - no
· Acne -when I was younger
· Oily skin - when I was younger
· Dark Circles under Eyes - no
· Rash after consuming alcohol - sometimes nose gets pink
· Other unexplained rashes on body/dry skin - no
· Recurrent Indigestion - no
· Heartburn - no
· Acid Reflux - no
Hay Fever - yes
· Allergic Rhinitis - yes
· Seasonal Rhinitis - yes
· Other allergies - yes
· Sinus Problems - yes
· Blocked Nose upon waking - yes
· Post Nasal Drip - yes
· White Coating on tongue - yes
· Tonsil Stones - used to, now they are gone
· Mucus in ears - rarely
· Dry mouth - yes
· Asthma - yes
· Eczema - no
· Psoriasis - no
· Hives - no
· Joint pains - no
· Acne -when I was younger
· Oily skin - when I was younger
· Dark Circles under Eyes - no
· Rash after consuming alcohol - sometimes nose gets pink
· Other unexplained rashes on body/dry skin - no
· Recurrent Indigestion - no
· Heartburn - no
· Acid Reflux - no
chloe_123
06-18-2005, 12:11 PM
Diggler,
· Hay Fever - No
· Allergic Rhinitis - No
· Seasonal Rhinitis - No
· Other allergies (food?) - Milk
· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc) - Yes
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?) - Yes
· Post Nasal Drip - Sometimes
· White Coating on tongue - Sometimes
· Tonsil Stones - No
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing) - Sometimes
· Dry mouth - Yes
· Asthma - No
· Eczema - No
· Psoriasis - No
· Hives - No
· Joint pains - No
· Acne - Face or body - No
· Oily skin - No
· Dark Circles under Eyes - Yes
· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes - Yes my face tunrs red
· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin - No
· Recurrent Indigestion - Yes
· Heartburn - Yes
· Acid Reflux - Yes
· Hay Fever - No
· Allergic Rhinitis - No
· Seasonal Rhinitis - No
· Other allergies (food?) - Milk
· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc) - Yes
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?) - Yes
· Post Nasal Drip - Sometimes
· White Coating on tongue - Sometimes
· Tonsil Stones - No
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing) - Sometimes
· Dry mouth - Yes
· Asthma - No
· Eczema - No
· Psoriasis - No
· Hives - No
· Joint pains - No
· Acne - Face or body - No
· Oily skin - No
· Dark Circles under Eyes - Yes
· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes - Yes my face tunrs red
· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin - No
· Recurrent Indigestion - Yes
· Heartburn - Yes
· Acid Reflux - Yes
mya123
06-18-2005, 01:21 PM
Hay Fever - no
· Allergic Rhinitis - yes, dust, mold
· Seasonal Rhinitis - pollen
· Other allergies - food: milk, i think anything with gluten also
· Sinus Problems - yes
· Blocked Nose upon waking - yes
· Post Nasal Drip - yes
· White Coating on tongue - yes
· Tonsil Stones - used alot, now no
· Mucus in ears - sometimes, especially when I have a sinus infection
· Dry mouth - yes
· Asthma - no
· Eczema - no
· Psoriasis - no
· Hives - no
· Joint pains - no
· Acne -occasionally depending on time of month
· Oily skin - no
· Dark Circles under Eyes - yes
· Rash after consuming alcohol - no
· Other unexplained rashes on body/dry skin - no
· Recurrent Indigestion - no
· Heartburn - yes
· Acid Reflux - not sure
I have been seeing some relief of bb and PND lately. I am not sure exactly what is doing it or maybe a combination of things but...I have changed my diet, eating healthier, avoiding all dairy and meat. I sometimes sneak in sweets an that gets me in trouble, but for the most part I avoid it. I have noticed that when I eat certain foods, my bb is decreased or gone temporarily. For example, spinach, fruits like apple, pear, watermelon, sometimes pineapple, and avocado. I also take Mastic Gum supplements. I use Tung gel regularly, and Clo2 mouthwash in evening, and Biotene (dry mouth mouthwash) in morning. I take papaya supplements to aid in digestion. I take Calcium supplements anywhere from 500mg-1000mg/day....sometimes I forget though. I also take Sun Chorella with every meal (no more than 3x/day). WAS taking 200mg B2 (riboflavin) 3 times a day with meals--I am not sure if this helped me but i know it has helped others with fecal and garbage body odors. I am also trying to be more relaxed, less anxious and pray more and focus on God rather than myself and my issues. This has helped A LOT! I hope this helps someone.
· Allergic Rhinitis - yes, dust, mold
· Seasonal Rhinitis - pollen
· Other allergies - food: milk, i think anything with gluten also
· Sinus Problems - yes
· Blocked Nose upon waking - yes
· Post Nasal Drip - yes
· White Coating on tongue - yes
· Tonsil Stones - used alot, now no
· Mucus in ears - sometimes, especially when I have a sinus infection
· Dry mouth - yes
· Asthma - no
· Eczema - no
· Psoriasis - no
· Hives - no
· Joint pains - no
· Acne -occasionally depending on time of month
· Oily skin - no
· Dark Circles under Eyes - yes
· Rash after consuming alcohol - no
· Other unexplained rashes on body/dry skin - no
· Recurrent Indigestion - no
· Heartburn - yes
· Acid Reflux - not sure
I have been seeing some relief of bb and PND lately. I am not sure exactly what is doing it or maybe a combination of things but...I have changed my diet, eating healthier, avoiding all dairy and meat. I sometimes sneak in sweets an that gets me in trouble, but for the most part I avoid it. I have noticed that when I eat certain foods, my bb is decreased or gone temporarily. For example, spinach, fruits like apple, pear, watermelon, sometimes pineapple, and avocado. I also take Mastic Gum supplements. I use Tung gel regularly, and Clo2 mouthwash in evening, and Biotene (dry mouth mouthwash) in morning. I take papaya supplements to aid in digestion. I take Calcium supplements anywhere from 500mg-1000mg/day....sometimes I forget though. I also take Sun Chorella with every meal (no more than 3x/day). WAS taking 200mg B2 (riboflavin) 3 times a day with meals--I am not sure if this helped me but i know it has helped others with fecal and garbage body odors. I am also trying to be more relaxed, less anxious and pray more and focus on God rather than myself and my issues. This has helped A LOT! I hope this helps someone.
Diggler
06-18-2005, 03:52 PM
Thanks so much for all the responses.
I think there a lot of similarities between everyones health conditions that they suffer. Particularly in relation to allergies (immune system / histamine repsonse, etc).
btw, I forget to mention myown problems for anyones who's interested:
· Hay Fever
· Allergic Rhinitis
· Seasonal Rhinitis
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?)
· Post Nasal Drip
· White Coating on tongue
· Tonsil Stones (occasionally)
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing)
· Asthma (when I was younger)
· Acne - Face or body (throughout my teenage years)
· Oily skin
· Dark Circles under Eyes
· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes
The most interetsing thing is that most of these things came on within a few years of each other (around 15-19 yrs). This is when I was eating a horrendous diet, and drinking alcohol on a regaular basis (binge drinking also).
Funnily enough, this is when I started noticing the strange smell after the lick test, and the appearance of white caoting on my tongue.
Anyone else think this can't just be a coincidence?
I'll keep you posted as to how I go at curing my allergy problems.
Thanks again, its really appreciated.
I think there a lot of similarities between everyones health conditions that they suffer. Particularly in relation to allergies (immune system / histamine repsonse, etc).
btw, I forget to mention myown problems for anyones who's interested:
· Hay Fever
· Allergic Rhinitis
· Seasonal Rhinitis
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?)
· Post Nasal Drip
· White Coating on tongue
· Tonsil Stones (occasionally)
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing)
· Asthma (when I was younger)
· Acne - Face or body (throughout my teenage years)
· Oily skin
· Dark Circles under Eyes
· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes
The most interetsing thing is that most of these things came on within a few years of each other (around 15-19 yrs). This is when I was eating a horrendous diet, and drinking alcohol on a regaular basis (binge drinking also).
Funnily enough, this is when I started noticing the strange smell after the lick test, and the appearance of white caoting on my tongue.
Anyone else think this can't just be a coincidence?
I'll keep you posted as to how I go at curing my allergy problems.
Thanks again, its really appreciated.
Thanatos86
06-18-2005, 07:27 PM
Is it possible that some of us were given halitosis from our pets when we were kids?
Results from a study labled "Is transmission of bacteria that cause halitosis from pets to humans possible?" showed that among the halitosis group over 80% of patients had reported having pets in childhood and over 70% owned a pet at present. In the control group results are 47 and 40%, respectively.
Results from a study labled "Is transmission of bacteria that cause halitosis from pets to humans possible?" showed that among the halitosis group over 80% of patients had reported having pets in childhood and over 70% owned a pet at present. In the control group results are 47 and 40%, respectively.
Godisgood
06-18-2005, 07:35 PM
DIggler :)
Hay Fever - no
· Allergic Rhinitis - no
· Seasonal Rhinitis - no
· Other allergies (food?) - no
· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc) - no.
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?) - yes...the blocked nostril alternates
· Post Nasal Drip - yes..constantly hacking up stuff
· White Coating on tongue - yes
· Tonsil Stones - yes..ooh they smell soo bad!! and i can constantly taste them. ANd my right tonsil tends to bleed really easily.
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing) - yes...with every swallow
· Dry mouth - no
· Asthma - no
· Eczema - no
· Psoriasis - no
· Hives - no
· Joint pains - no
· Acne - Face or body -.. basically clear skin..but i'll get a pimpe or two the week before my periods starts.
· Oily skin - in the usuall places..forehead, nose,and chin..but nothing major
· Dark Circles under Eyes - nope
· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes - no..I don't drink often enough to notice..but I haven't noticed anything unsual when I have taken a drink.
· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin - no
· Recurrent Indigestion - I have a hard time digesting dairy products and eggs... I have noticed that it takes a really long time for my body to digest food... and could eat something at 11am...and at 4pm I'm still full or still burping what I ate last. Its gross...so I usually have one big meal a day.
· Heartburn - no..unless my diet is real bad..
· Acid Reflux - I think...I'm not sure...what is it?
Added info
I have constant Body Odor that is not cleared by showering.
BLASE2
Would you do it again if you had to do it over ?
Hay Fever - no
· Allergic Rhinitis - no
· Seasonal Rhinitis - no
· Other allergies (food?) - no
· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc) - no.
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?) - yes...the blocked nostril alternates
· Post Nasal Drip - yes..constantly hacking up stuff
· White Coating on tongue - yes
· Tonsil Stones - yes..ooh they smell soo bad!! and i can constantly taste them. ANd my right tonsil tends to bleed really easily.
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing) - yes...with every swallow
· Dry mouth - no
· Asthma - no
· Eczema - no
· Psoriasis - no
· Hives - no
· Joint pains - no
· Acne - Face or body -.. basically clear skin..but i'll get a pimpe or two the week before my periods starts.
· Oily skin - in the usuall places..forehead, nose,and chin..but nothing major
· Dark Circles under Eyes - nope
· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes - no..I don't drink often enough to notice..but I haven't noticed anything unsual when I have taken a drink.
· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin - no
· Recurrent Indigestion - I have a hard time digesting dairy products and eggs... I have noticed that it takes a really long time for my body to digest food... and could eat something at 11am...and at 4pm I'm still full or still burping what I ate last. Its gross...so I usually have one big meal a day.
· Heartburn - no..unless my diet is real bad..
· Acid Reflux - I think...I'm not sure...what is it?
Added info
I have constant Body Odor that is not cleared by showering.
BLASE2
Would you do it again if you had to do it over ?
Garrett123
06-18-2005, 08:54 PM
hey guys-
Thano- We are still together, but if we did break up, I would be devastated. I think there would come a time yes, I would get back out there. It would take a few years though. I know that, since I tend to dwell. Even though I get REALLY down about it... I still get back out there, despite hurtful comments and situations of rejection. Just trying to find Managment these days, cure I think is out at the point...
Diggler-
· Hay Fever-No
· Allergic Rhinitis-No
· Seasonal Rhinitis-No
· Other allergies (food?)-Dairy a bit, but not diagnosed
· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc)- a bit
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?)-No
· Post Nasal Drip- A bit
· White Coating on tongue- A bit
· Tonsil Stones- yes, but no longer since tonsilectomy. BB still here though!
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing)-yes
· Dry mouth- yes
· Asthma- as child
· Eczema-no
· Psoriasis-no
· Hives- no
· Joint pains- no
· Acne - Face or body- yes as a teen. Took acutane, after stopping BB started for me. It is a very strong drug
· Oily skin- Yes
· Dark Circles under Eyes- No
· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes- a bit
· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin- yes
· Recurrent Indigestion- yes
· Heartburn- a bit
· Acid Reflux- yes
Hope this helps...G
Thano- We are still together, but if we did break up, I would be devastated. I think there would come a time yes, I would get back out there. It would take a few years though. I know that, since I tend to dwell. Even though I get REALLY down about it... I still get back out there, despite hurtful comments and situations of rejection. Just trying to find Managment these days, cure I think is out at the point...
Diggler-
· Hay Fever-No
· Allergic Rhinitis-No
· Seasonal Rhinitis-No
· Other allergies (food?)-Dairy a bit, but not diagnosed
· Sinus Problems (runny nose, etc)- a bit
· Blocked Nose upon waking (in just one nostril also?)-No
· Post Nasal Drip- A bit
· White Coating on tongue- A bit
· Tonsil Stones- yes, but no longer since tonsilectomy. BB still here though!
· Mucus in ears (ears that 'pop' or 'crackle' when swallowing)-yes
· Dry mouth- yes
· Asthma- as child
· Eczema-no
· Psoriasis-no
· Hives- no
· Joint pains- no
· Acne - Face or body- yes as a teen. Took acutane, after stopping BB started for me. It is a very strong drug
· Oily skin- Yes
· Dark Circles under Eyes- No
· Rash after consuming alcohol (hands, face or body) or increased heart rate, bloodshot eyes- a bit
· Other unexplained rashes on body / dry skin- yes
· Recurrent Indigestion- yes
· Heartburn- a bit
· Acid Reflux- yes
Hope this helps...G
lucky59
06-19-2005, 04:34 AM
Hay Fever - No
· Allergic Rhinitis - No
· Seasonal Rhinitis - No
· Other allergies - No
· Sinus Problems - No
· Blocked Nose upon waking - No
· Post Nasal Drip - yes
· White Coating on tongue - yes if not brushed regularly
· Tonsil Stones - no tonsils
· Mucus in ears - No
· Dry mouth - yes
· Asthma - No
· Eczema - no
· Psoriasis - no
· Hives - no
· Joint pains - sometimes in knees/fingers
· Acne -No
· Oily skin - No
· Dark Circles under Eyes - no
· Rash after consuming alcohol - No
· Other unexplained rashes on body/dry skin - no
· Recurrent Indigestion - no
· Heartburn - no
· Acid Reflux - no
lucky.
· Allergic Rhinitis - No
· Seasonal Rhinitis - No
· Other allergies - No
· Sinus Problems - No
· Blocked Nose upon waking - No
· Post Nasal Drip - yes
· White Coating on tongue - yes if not brushed regularly
· Tonsil Stones - no tonsils
· Mucus in ears - No
· Dry mouth - yes
· Asthma - No
· Eczema - no
· Psoriasis - no
· Hives - no
· Joint pains - sometimes in knees/fingers
· Acne -No
· Oily skin - No
· Dark Circles under Eyes - no
· Rash after consuming alcohol - No
· Other unexplained rashes on body/dry skin - no
· Recurrent Indigestion - no
· Heartburn - no
· Acid Reflux - no
lucky.
lucky59
06-19-2005, 04:37 AM
I use Tung gel regularly.....
Hi Mya, how often?
lucky.
Hi Mya, how often?
lucky.
Diggler
06-20-2005, 04:48 AM
Hi seeker, nice to see you back.
Are you still Liver Flushing? How many have you done in total? Are you still seeing stones?
How many did you have to do before you saw an improvement in your allergies?
Sorry for all the questions, but I've recently done a liver flush and it was a success, so I'm gonna do one every two weeks now.
I think it was really interesting to see how many people have common ailments, particularly in relation to allergies. Thanks again for all the replies guys.
Cheers.
Are you still Liver Flushing? How many have you done in total? Are you still seeing stones?
How many did you have to do before you saw an improvement in your allergies?
Sorry for all the questions, but I've recently done a liver flush and it was a success, so I'm gonna do one every two weeks now.
I think it was really interesting to see how many people have common ailments, particularly in relation to allergies. Thanks again for all the replies guys.
Cheers.
blase2
06-20-2005, 01:33 PM
Is it possible that some of us were given halitosis from our pets when we were kids?
Results from a study labled "Is transmission of bacteria that cause halitosis from pets to humans possible?" showed that among the halitosis group over 80% of patients had reported having pets in childhood and over 70% owned a pet at present. In the control group results are 47 and 40%, respectively.
Possible. Not true in my case as I had nothing to do with pets all my life.
Results from a study labled "Is transmission of bacteria that cause halitosis from pets to humans possible?" showed that among the halitosis group over 80% of patients had reported having pets in childhood and over 70% owned a pet at present. In the control group results are 47 and 40%, respectively.
Possible. Not true in my case as I had nothing to do with pets all my life.
blase2
06-20-2005, 01:39 PM
BLASE2
Would you do it again if you had to do it over ?
Would I do what again godisgood? If you mean laser reduction then yes i would but the surgeon zapped the whole tonsils in one go. Takes about two min.
Would you do it again if you had to do it over ?
Would I do what again godisgood? If you mean laser reduction then yes i would but the surgeon zapped the whole tonsils in one go. Takes about two min.
Diggler
06-20-2005, 08:22 PM
Thats very true seeker. Lots of people preach about the liver flush being the best way to cleanse your body, regardless of bb.
Nice to hear you're still doing ok, even with a less strict diet - thats ideal i think. Need to enjoy food now and again, hehe.
I guess your disgust to the olive oil mix was your body's way of saying 'enough is enough, now give me a break', lol.
I managed to get it down in one, just felt a bit of burning in the throat - acid in the fruit juice i guess. We'll have to see how it goes in the next few i do.
So you think I could do them more often that every other week? One a week maybe? Cos it really is drag waiting when I just wanna get on with it as much as i can.
So what would you say? Flush every weekend? How often did you do it?
Did you do any parasite management?
Nice to hear you're still doing ok, even with a less strict diet - thats ideal i think. Need to enjoy food now and again, hehe.
I guess your disgust to the olive oil mix was your body's way of saying 'enough is enough, now give me a break', lol.
I managed to get it down in one, just felt a bit of burning in the throat - acid in the fruit juice i guess. We'll have to see how it goes in the next few i do.
So you think I could do them more often that every other week? One a week maybe? Cos it really is drag waiting when I just wanna get on with it as much as i can.
So what would you say? Flush every weekend? How often did you do it?
Did you do any parasite management?
Garrett123
06-21-2005, 12:39 PM
For those of you who have used Aerobic Oxygen. I quit for a while and have been using it again. I do feel it helps more than not.
My mouth just feels cleaner and not fuming with the smell. Anyone still using it? I feel its better to use it than not.
thoughts?
My mouth just feels cleaner and not fuming with the smell. Anyone still using it? I feel its better to use it than not.
thoughts?
mya123
06-21-2005, 01:43 PM
Hi Mya, how often?
lucky.
Hi Lucky, I use tung gel at least 3x a day. But I average about 4-5x day.
lucky.
Hi Lucky, I use tung gel at least 3x a day. But I average about 4-5x day.
lucky59
06-21-2005, 06:45 PM
Hi Lucky, I use tung gel at least 3x a day. But I average about 4-5x day.
Hi mya, much the same as me. I plan to order a new brush soon. I notice that the 'bristles' are getting a bit soft, afterall they take a bit of a hammering!
Blase reported that the gel became ineffective after a week. That wasn't my experience. Nor yours, by the sound of it.
Best wishes, lucky.
Hi mya, much the same as me. I plan to order a new brush soon. I notice that the 'bristles' are getting a bit soft, afterall they take a bit of a hammering!
Blase reported that the gel became ineffective after a week. That wasn't my experience. Nor yours, by the sound of it.
Best wishes, lucky.
Thanatos86
06-21-2005, 08:37 PM
Garrett, I just started using AO again two days ago. I just use it later in the day to help freshen my breath. I think it helps with my breath if I use it as a rinse & swallow, but without my current diet, I don't think it would make a difference at all.
bradgm
06-22-2005, 03:55 PM
Diggler, did you experience any discomfort at all while doing the first liver flush? What about the day after? Im scared Im going to feel horrible. But, if I do get through the first one and it helps, I will be doing them every 2 weeks for sure.
Diggler
06-22-2005, 06:13 PM
None at all.
The OO and juice mix stung my mouth because of the acid but it was for a few seconds.
I woke up at around 3am with indigestion, went straight back to sleep.
Woke up at 6.30 feeling like i had a hangover, went straight back to sleep.
Woke up at 11am, feeling great.
(Some people wake up in the night for the toilet - I didn't luckily)
Started the liquid bowel movements after something to eat. I went about 8 times during the day. More annoying than anything.
Overall, i thought it was great and am doing another one this weekend.
I'll post my plan if you wanna do it the same as me. Let me know. It was basically the Hulda Clark method, but without some stuff in it.
If you can do it properly, I would say go for it.
The OO and juice mix stung my mouth because of the acid but it was for a few seconds.
I woke up at around 3am with indigestion, went straight back to sleep.
Woke up at 6.30 feeling like i had a hangover, went straight back to sleep.
Woke up at 11am, feeling great.
(Some people wake up in the night for the toilet - I didn't luckily)
Started the liquid bowel movements after something to eat. I went about 8 times during the day. More annoying than anything.
Overall, i thought it was great and am doing another one this weekend.
I'll post my plan if you wanna do it the same as me. Let me know. It was basically the Hulda Clark method, but without some stuff in it.
If you can do it properly, I would say go for it.
garfiola
06-22-2005, 07:05 PM
did u get any stones out
i did enema 5 times, i can not say there are drastical changes but i wll try flush this week
it has to work
i am gonna do hulda method but without ornithine
arent you supporse to take salt in morning again ;) and you sleeped
i did enema 5 times, i can not say there are drastical changes but i wll try flush this week
it has to work
i am gonna do hulda method but without ornithine
arent you supporse to take salt in morning again ;) and you sleeped
Diggler
06-22-2005, 08:12 PM
Yes, I got around 20 "medium" stones out (about 1cm across).
Around 100 small stones.
And lots of chaff, sand, and crap.
The stones were squishy and looked like peas. They are just collection of old bile that will eventually form gallstones when they calcify.
I didn't feel any different after it, but I didn't expect to. I'm hoping it will come the more flushes I do.
The Epsom salts relax the bile ducts to allow the stones to pass out. And they also cause the diarrhea, which flushes the intestines, getting the stones and toxins out quickly before they get re-absorbed.
I also, had a colonic 2 days after. I don't plan on doing this every flush though.
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Heres the method I used:
Took stones dissolves for 5 days before the flush. 200ml Apple Juice with 1 tbsp Apple Cider Vinegar and 500mg Malic Acid caps - four times per day (1/2 an hour before a meal).
(The stone dissolvers were probably why I passed loads of chaff.)
All I ate on the day was fruit. Don't take and medication / vitamins that you can do without.
Note that you can adjust the times, but always keep them consistant. Eg, you can shift them forward 2 hours, but make sure you do this to all times. Do not miss the times - the timing is very strict.
4.00 - Do not eat after this time.
8.30pm - 1/2 tbsp Epsom Salts in 1 cup water (250ml) with juice of 1/2 lemon (to improve taste).
10.30pm - 1 tbsp Epsom Salts in 1 cup water (250ml) with juice of 1/2 lemon.
12.15 - Prepare Extra Virgin Olive Oil and Grapefruit juice mixture. Using 1/2 cup (125ml) Extra Virgin Olive Oil and equal amount of fresh squeezed juice of pink grapefruit. Shake well in a shaker.
12.30 - Drink EVOO and grapefruit mixture. Get this down within 15 minutes. (In a few gulps if possible).
(I followed this by chewing sugar-free peppermint gum to settle the stomach, whilst on my way to bed)
Go straight to bed, lie on back for 30 minutes. Then go to sleep lying on right side.
Next morning upon waking (but not before 8am) - another 1tbsp Epsom Salts in 1 cup (250ml) water, with lemon if needed.
Most sources I've read also say to take another serving of Epsom Salts 2 hours later again, but I didnt take this dose.
After another 2 hours you can begin to eat fruit, then as normal shortly afterwards.
I was back and forth to the toilet all day :yawn:
Its amazing to see what comes out of you.
I suggest you research Liver Flushing on the internet first before attempting it though. Don;t just follow the method I used - try to find other people's experience of them to learn more.
Hope this helps.
Around 100 small stones.
And lots of chaff, sand, and crap.
The stones were squishy and looked like peas. They are just collection of old bile that will eventually form gallstones when they calcify.
I didn't feel any different after it, but I didn't expect to. I'm hoping it will come the more flushes I do.
The Epsom salts relax the bile ducts to allow the stones to pass out. And they also cause the diarrhea, which flushes the intestines, getting the stones and toxins out quickly before they get re-absorbed.
I also, had a colonic 2 days after. I don't plan on doing this every flush though.
------------------------------------------------
Heres the method I used:
Took stones dissolves for 5 days before the flush. 200ml Apple Juice with 1 tbsp Apple Cider Vinegar and 500mg Malic Acid caps - four times per day (1/2 an hour before a meal).
(The stone dissolvers were probably why I passed loads of chaff.)
All I ate on the day was fruit. Don't take and medication / vitamins that you can do without.
Note that you can adjust the times, but always keep them consistant. Eg, you can shift them forward 2 hours, but make sure you do this to all times. Do not miss the times - the timing is very strict.
4.00 - Do not eat after this time.
8.30pm - 1/2 tbsp Epsom Salts in 1 cup water (250ml) with juice of 1/2 lemon (to improve taste).
10.30pm - 1 tbsp Epsom Salts in 1 cup water (250ml) with juice of 1/2 lemon.
12.15 - Prepare Extra Virgin Olive Oil and Grapefruit juice mixture. Using 1/2 cup (125ml) Extra Virgin Olive Oil and equal amount of fresh squeezed juice of pink grapefruit. Shake well in a shaker.
12.30 - Drink EVOO and grapefruit mixture. Get this down within 15 minutes. (In a few gulps if possible).
(I followed this by chewing sugar-free peppermint gum to settle the stomach, whilst on my way to bed)
Go straight to bed, lie on back for 30 minutes. Then go to sleep lying on right side.
Next morning upon waking (but not before 8am) - another 1tbsp Epsom Salts in 1 cup (250ml) water, with lemon if needed.
Most sources I've read also say to take another serving of Epsom Salts 2 hours later again, but I didnt take this dose.
After another 2 hours you can begin to eat fruit, then as normal shortly afterwards.
I was back and forth to the toilet all day :yawn:
Its amazing to see what comes out of you.
I suggest you research Liver Flushing on the internet first before attempting it though. Don;t just follow the method I used - try to find other people's experience of them to learn more.
Hope this helps.
bradgm
06-22-2005, 08:20 PM
edit: thanks for the information, Diggler!
Did or do you have post nasal drip or any sinuses? Ive heard the problems will go away for a few days after the first flush, but will come back. Im assuming this would be a good sign .. meaning the liver was the source of the problem for the PND or sinuses.
Did or do you have post nasal drip or any sinuses? Ive heard the problems will go away for a few days after the first flush, but will come back. Im assuming this would be a good sign .. meaning the liver was the source of the problem for the PND or sinuses.
garfiola
06-22-2005, 09:07 PM
thx
so u did it
i forgot about apple cidar, does it have to be biological, i mean without pesticides ?
i will do it tomorrow, but i am afraid i will not be able to sleep
so u did it
i forgot about apple cidar, does it have to be biological, i mean without pesticides ?
i will do it tomorrow, but i am afraid i will not be able to sleep
Diggler
06-23-2005, 05:09 AM
Brad - I suffer from PND and sinus congestion (I think its due to allergies to pollen and dust mites mainly). I've seen no improvemant after 1 flush but didn't expect to anyway. Seeker said he had improvement after 2 flushes. I'm doing my second flush this weekend.
Garfiola - apple cider vinegar should be organic if possible. You need to take it for about 5 days before the flush though. Not just on the day or 1 day before.
Make sure you have really researched the procedures and other people's experiences before you do it yourself - really important. It could cause pain/problems if its not done right.
Garfiola - apple cider vinegar should be organic if possible. You need to take it for about 5 days before the flush though. Not just on the day or 1 day before.
Make sure you have really researched the procedures and other people's experiences before you do it yourself - really important. It could cause pain/problems if its not done right.
garfiola
06-24-2005, 04:40 PM
i did my first flush and get arond 40 stones uut
they are very soft i must say and yellow outside, and inside they are green
i feel less pressure in my gall bladder i must say, i do not know about bb
the biggest problem was drinking epsom salt, oil was better
they are very soft i must say and yellow outside, and inside they are green
i feel less pressure in my gall bladder i must say, i do not know about bb
the biggest problem was drinking epsom salt, oil was better
garfiola
06-25-2005, 07:04 PM
i guess it isnt helped a lot
i still have bb, this problem wil stay forever i guess
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i still have bb, this problem wil stay forever i guess
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littlelonestar
06-25-2005, 07:13 PM
Seeker 77,
I have two questions for you.
1. What brand of mouth wash and toothpaste do you use now?
2. How often should you use the oxy powder if you are also planning to do the liver cleanse as well?
I just bought the oxy powder, but I also want to clean my liver as well.
I have done two liver treatments about 6 months ago; so I know what that will feel like but how does using these two treatments at the same time affect your body?
I also have bought a "cheaper" version of trioral, called Smart Mouth. I have used trioral before and it did not do that much for me, but I was hoping if my diet and the cleansing treatment helps to get rid of toxins maybe the mouthwash can also help to speed the process along. What do you think? What do you use for oral care? Thanks for your help.
I have two questions for you.
1. What brand of mouth wash and toothpaste do you use now?
2. How often should you use the oxy powder if you are also planning to do the liver cleanse as well?
I just bought the oxy powder, but I also want to clean my liver as well.
I have done two liver treatments about 6 months ago; so I know what that will feel like but how does using these two treatments at the same time affect your body?
I also have bought a "cheaper" version of trioral, called Smart Mouth. I have used trioral before and it did not do that much for me, but I was hoping if my diet and the cleansing treatment helps to get rid of toxins maybe the mouthwash can also help to speed the process along. What do you think? What do you use for oral care? Thanks for your help.
Diggler
06-26-2005, 10:14 AM
Garfiola,
You can't expect just one liver flush to cure your problems. You should expect to do at least 8-10 and then even more if still not seeing effects.
You also need to do a colon cleansing program before doing the liver flushes too.
littlelonestar,
The way I did it was I used oxypwoder for a week before my liver flush. Then had 2 days off it, eating a lot of fibre. Then I did my liver flush, then had a colonic 2 days later.
Hope this helps.
You can't expect just one liver flush to cure your problems. You should expect to do at least 8-10 and then even more if still not seeing effects.
You also need to do a colon cleansing program before doing the liver flushes too.
littlelonestar,
The way I did it was I used oxypwoder for a week before my liver flush. Then had 2 days off it, eating a lot of fibre. Then I did my liver flush, then had a colonic 2 days later.
Hope this helps.
littlelonestar
06-26-2005, 08:20 PM
Diggler,
Thanks for the advice. How many colonics have you had? How much does a colonic cost? Do you think that having a colonic is better than just taking the oxy-powder? I have read some of your posts and it seems like you have the same symptoms/problems as I do. I noticed in one of your posts that you asked everyone to describe what type of symptoms they have. Well here are mine.
I have PND, tonsil stones, white tongue, and a swollen throat on one side. I also had nasal surgery a year ago, to try to clear my sinuses. My nose is a little bit better, but I still have problems with the stuffy nose from time to time. I did a liver flush about 6 months ago and it did clear up my stuffy nose for a couple of days but then my nose went back to normal (always stuffy).
I think the liver flushes help but that olive oil is so gross, I just had to stop it doing the liver flushes for that reason alone. I passed at least 50 stones on my 1st flush and 100 stones on my 2nd flush. So I really think that If I begin to do the liver flushes again I will see some results after a couple more flushes.
Another things that helps me with my PND is to vacuum more often, to get rid of dust. Also do you take Vit. C? I read somewhere that Vit. C helps to rid the body of mucus? I use to take it but I just need to be more stirct about following my diet and supplement plan. I tend to slack off from taking my supplements from time to time. Like you, I have congestion in one of my nostrils. My left nostril is always clogged, but after my surgery it is not as clogged as it use to be. I also have a nasal irrigator as well. Do you still use yours? I found that it did not help me get rid of my bb, but I will begin to use it again (since I paid $100 for it).
So how long have you been on your diet and cleanse? Have you noticed any improvements? I also think my problem is stress related as well, b/c now that I am in a less stressful environment I have had fewer tonsil stones that before. I think I read on a post here where a woman got rid of her bb by going on Prozac and de-stressing. I do not want to go on Prozac but I will try to find ways to cope with this. I am hoping that the colon cleanses and liver flush will help me, and the fact that I am a small person will benefit me as well (maybe it won't take as long to detox).
I am sorry for asking so many questions, but I am trying to nip this problem in the bud. :)
Thanks for the advice. How many colonics have you had? How much does a colonic cost? Do you think that having a colonic is better than just taking the oxy-powder? I have read some of your posts and it seems like you have the same symptoms/problems as I do. I noticed in one of your posts that you asked everyone to describe what type of symptoms they have. Well here are mine.
I have PND, tonsil stones, white tongue, and a swollen throat on one side. I also had nasal surgery a year ago, to try to clear my sinuses. My nose is a little bit better, but I still have problems with the stuffy nose from time to time. I did a liver flush about 6 months ago and it did clear up my stuffy nose for a couple of days but then my nose went back to normal (always stuffy).
I think the liver flushes help but that olive oil is so gross, I just had to stop it doing the liver flushes for that reason alone. I passed at least 50 stones on my 1st flush and 100 stones on my 2nd flush. So I really think that If I begin to do the liver flushes again I will see some results after a couple more flushes.
Another things that helps me with my PND is to vacuum more often, to get rid of dust. Also do you take Vit. C? I read somewhere that Vit. C helps to rid the body of mucus? I use to take it but I just need to be more stirct about following my diet and supplement plan. I tend to slack off from taking my supplements from time to time. Like you, I have congestion in one of my nostrils. My left nostril is always clogged, but after my surgery it is not as clogged as it use to be. I also have a nasal irrigator as well. Do you still use yours? I found that it did not help me get rid of my bb, but I will begin to use it again (since I paid $100 for it).
So how long have you been on your diet and cleanse? Have you noticed any improvements? I also think my problem is stress related as well, b/c now that I am in a less stressful environment I have had fewer tonsil stones that before. I think I read on a post here where a woman got rid of her bb by going on Prozac and de-stressing. I do not want to go on Prozac but I will try to find ways to cope with this. I am hoping that the colon cleanses and liver flush will help me, and the fact that I am a small person will benefit me as well (maybe it won't take as long to detox).
I am sorry for asking so many questions, but I am trying to nip this problem in the bud. :)
Diggler
06-27-2005, 05:04 AM
Hey,
I've had 2 so far. Will probably do another 2 more or maybe 3.
Heres what I have done so far.
100% strict Candida diet (and taking caprylic acid) - for 3 weeks - felt no die off reaction, so assumed there wasn't a problem and stopped.
Began a high fibre diet, taking ground flaxseeds, and bran to help clean my bowels. Did this for around 4-5 weeks.
Had the first colonic. Didn't feel any different - but need more than 1 or 2 to feel it i think.
A month later, I took Oxypwoder for 4 days, did the liver flush 2 days later, then another colonic 2 days later (this time it was confirmed that some mucoid plaque came out - I believe this to be a result of using the oxypwoder and having empty bowels due to the epsom salts the day before the treatment - empty bowels means less to clear out)
2 weeks later, did the second liver flush. That was this weekend.
I plan on doing 1 flush every weekend for about 4-6 weeks.
I eat a 80-90% clean diet (although I don't get enough good fats - gonna change this soon). I do have 150mls milk in the morning and eat yoghurt during the day. Lots of fruit, fibrous grains (oats, brown rice), plenty of veg, lots of water (2-3 litres per day).
I take probiotics daily. Sometimes take Multi-Vit, and Milk thistle.
I have seen an improvement in the coating on my tongue, and a slight improvement in the lick test.
I believe that the main reason for my problems is allergies - hence the liver flush approach.
I use the hydropulse occasionally. I don't see any effect on the nose, but I do like the throat irrigation. I use salt water for it.
I am gonna sort out the house dust problems soon - getting new bed covers for a start.
But note that I don't think my problems are anywhere near as bad as other people on here, I don't get many reactions, if any, the only reason I believe I have mild bb is due to the lick test, and some bad tastes in my mouth towards the end of the day. Maybe my problem is psychological more than anything. If this allergy approach doesn't work - i'm gonna go see a shrink. I think this may tie in with the stress approach - I'm not stressed but constantly thinking about my 'problem' - maybe it will help to not think about it so much and just get on with it.
Hope this answers your questions.
good luck. :wave:
I've had 2 so far. Will probably do another 2 more or maybe 3.
Heres what I have done so far.
100% strict Candida diet (and taking caprylic acid) - for 3 weeks - felt no die off reaction, so assumed there wasn't a problem and stopped.
Began a high fibre diet, taking ground flaxseeds, and bran to help clean my bowels. Did this for around 4-5 weeks.
Had the first colonic. Didn't feel any different - but need more than 1 or 2 to feel it i think.
A month later, I took Oxypwoder for 4 days, did the liver flush 2 days later, then another colonic 2 days later (this time it was confirmed that some mucoid plaque came out - I believe this to be a result of using the oxypwoder and having empty bowels due to the epsom salts the day before the treatment - empty bowels means less to clear out)
2 weeks later, did the second liver flush. That was this weekend.
I plan on doing 1 flush every weekend for about 4-6 weeks.
I eat a 80-90% clean diet (although I don't get enough good fats - gonna change this soon). I do have 150mls milk in the morning and eat yoghurt during the day. Lots of fruit, fibrous grains (oats, brown rice), plenty of veg, lots of water (2-3 litres per day).
I take probiotics daily. Sometimes take Multi-Vit, and Milk thistle.
I have seen an improvement in the coating on my tongue, and a slight improvement in the lick test.
I believe that the main reason for my problems is allergies - hence the liver flush approach.
I use the hydropulse occasionally. I don't see any effect on the nose, but I do like the throat irrigation. I use salt water for it.
I am gonna sort out the house dust problems soon - getting new bed covers for a start.
But note that I don't think my problems are anywhere near as bad as other people on here, I don't get many reactions, if any, the only reason I believe I have mild bb is due to the lick test, and some bad tastes in my mouth towards the end of the day. Maybe my problem is psychological more than anything. If this allergy approach doesn't work - i'm gonna go see a shrink. I think this may tie in with the stress approach - I'm not stressed but constantly thinking about my 'problem' - maybe it will help to not think about it so much and just get on with it.
Hope this answers your questions.
good luck. :wave:
Thanatos86
06-27-2005, 08:44 AM
I see similar results after going on a "sulphur-free" diet. It's basically a vegan diet minus beans and nuts. Today I had to cheat because I didn't have time to prepare meals so ate a few slices of pizza a friend gave me. My breath didn't seem to become too bad and after a few hours I checked my tongue and it was pink! If the bacteria can't feed off of sulphur, they can't create VSC's.
I have given up on everything but Therabreath toothpaste and mouthwash (but I'm about to do away with the mouthwash). The sprays, drops and mints are not worth the money anymore, so I just buy Orbit gum by the bags from WalMart. It does the trick to keep saliva flowing & contains Xylitol.
I have given up on everything but Therabreath toothpaste and mouthwash (but I'm about to do away with the mouthwash). The sprays, drops and mints are not worth the money anymore, so I just buy Orbit gum by the bags from WalMart. It does the trick to keep saliva flowing & contains Xylitol.
lucky59
06-27-2005, 01:20 PM
If the bacteria can't feed off of sulphur, they can't create VSC's.
Hey Than, sounds like you're more sympathetic to the 'starvation approach'. ie minimising the food supply of the 'offending' bacteria.
Which afterall, is pretty much the strategy used by the rest of the world when they brush their teeth. And of course removing the plaque at the same time.
lucky.
Hey Than, sounds like you're more sympathetic to the 'starvation approach'. ie minimising the food supply of the 'offending' bacteria.
Which afterall, is pretty much the strategy used by the rest of the world when they brush their teeth. And of course removing the plaque at the same time.
lucky.
Joshie
06-27-2005, 01:44 PM
What, so now we have to starve ourselves?? What kind of proteins are sulfur-free?
Lexi85
06-27-2005, 07:52 PM
Hi everybody! I haven't been here in a long time. I've been super busy. I turned down the job at the department store I was going to work at for fear of being ridiculed for my problem. The store was way too crowded every day and made me feel paranoid. I have another job interview within this coming week.
I took Brad's advice today...FINALLY. I bought a bottle of nasal spray, filled it with half peroxide, half water, and did two squirts up my nose. Wow, burn central, baby. It ran down my throat though after trying to get it to stop and my throat still burns a bit. I tried to hock up as much of it as I could but I'm not too good at it. Still don't know if it's helped my problem at all but I'm hoping it has. My self-esteem is dwindling to non-existant and I'm still getting complaints. I'm praying that this helps my problem.
I took Brad's advice today...FINALLY. I bought a bottle of nasal spray, filled it with half peroxide, half water, and did two squirts up my nose. Wow, burn central, baby. It ran down my throat though after trying to get it to stop and my throat still burns a bit. I tried to hock up as much of it as I could but I'm not too good at it. Still don't know if it's helped my problem at all but I'm hoping it has. My self-esteem is dwindling to non-existant and I'm still getting complaints. I'm praying that this helps my problem.
blase2
06-27-2005, 07:54 PM
I have given up on everything but Therabreath toothpaste and mouthwash (but I'm about to do away with the mouthwash). The sprays, drops and mints are not worth the money anymore, so I just buy Orbit gum by the bags from WalMart. It does the trick to keep saliva flowing & contains Xylitol.
That is exactly what i do now except the fact that I eat nuts with a vegan sort of diet. i don't use mouthwash at all.
That is exactly what i do now except the fact that I eat nuts with a vegan sort of diet. i don't use mouthwash at all.
Lexi85
06-27-2005, 08:08 PM
Quick question you guys. Is half hydrogen peroxide and half water not the right combination for a nasal spray. I'm reading now that it should be just a teaspoon of peroxide and not half. Just asking because when I put the two drops in each nostril not only did it burn, but I got a sinus headache and became tired.
I don't want to wind up killing myself or anything. Okay, overexaggeration there but still, I don't want to damage anything more than it already is.
I don't want to wind up killing myself or anything. Okay, overexaggeration there but still, I don't want to damage anything more than it already is.
Thanatos86
06-27-2005, 10:01 PM
Lucky, I don't know if it's quite the same - or at least one is vastly superior to the other. Brushing the toungue and teeth do not effectively remove bacteria nor does it remove enough of the proteins emeded within crevices of tissue to starve those bacteria. After brushing, there are still proteins in the mouth and there are still billions of bad breath bacteria already repopulating.
JOsh: Animal proteins (meat, eggs, dairy), nut and bean proteins, garlic and onion proteins. Doesn't leave you with much to work with.
Garfiola, I do not flush or cleanse (I did in April). I just stick to the diet and it works much better than constantly putting garbage products into my mouth like sprays.
Bad breath is mainly Volatile Sulphur Compunds. If you eliminate the sulphur proteins at the bacteria feed off of, there will be no sulphur by-products to pollute your mouth. But many of us also haev bacteria that feed off of amines which produce much the rotting smell that some of us have.
Lots of fruits, vegetables, pasta, oatmeal. Once a week I eat meat. I feel great on this diet
As for the breath I get no responses. I'm sure I still have some bad breath, but the differece is significant. I woke up this morning with bad bad breath - I could taste it. Why? Because yesterday I ate pumpkin pie, pizza and sugary drinks. When I stick to my diet, I taste nothing in the morning. Only at the end of the day do I notice some sort of taste but my tongue is usually pink.
This diet is also much cheaper! I'm no longer spending $50 on meats per week.
JOsh: Animal proteins (meat, eggs, dairy), nut and bean proteins, garlic and onion proteins. Doesn't leave you with much to work with.
Garfiola, I do not flush or cleanse (I did in April). I just stick to the diet and it works much better than constantly putting garbage products into my mouth like sprays.
Bad breath is mainly Volatile Sulphur Compunds. If you eliminate the sulphur proteins at the bacteria feed off of, there will be no sulphur by-products to pollute your mouth. But many of us also haev bacteria that feed off of amines which produce much the rotting smell that some of us have.
Lots of fruits, vegetables, pasta, oatmeal. Once a week I eat meat. I feel great on this diet
As for the breath I get no responses. I'm sure I still have some bad breath, but the differece is significant. I woke up this morning with bad bad breath - I could taste it. Why? Because yesterday I ate pumpkin pie, pizza and sugary drinks. When I stick to my diet, I taste nothing in the morning. Only at the end of the day do I notice some sort of taste but my tongue is usually pink.
This diet is also much cheaper! I'm no longer spending $50 on meats per week.
Lexi85
06-28-2005, 09:27 AM
Thanatos, that's wonderful! I'm up for anything, so I'll give it a try. Plus, I really want to get into better shape, as my eating habits are extremely bad. Are you allowed to eat breads on this diet, such as bagels? If so, are you permitted to use margarine on them? How about softdrinks? Soda, in moderation? Fruit juices? Pasta sounds wonderful, since my family eats a lot of it. What can be put on the pasta? Tomato sauce, alfredo (even though that's dairy), butter and salt? I love Tortellinis, but they're filled with cheese. Would a dairy product every now and then be alright? Eating meat once a week seems like a better alternative to eating it every day. Too much red meat isn't good anyways. How about chicken? Fish as well. I'm very interested in hearing about this.
Do you feel that this diet will also improve breath even if the problem is coming from the nose?
Do you feel that this diet will also improve breath even if the problem is coming from the nose?
Thanatos86
06-28-2005, 07:59 PM
Lexi, I tried to use bread, but that seems to make my breath bad. It usually contains eggs, milk or too much sugar. I have a bread machine and I'm working on ways to create tasty fluffy bread that doesn't make my breath bad.
I use plain diced tomatos on my pasta and add salt and Italian seasoning (no garlic or onion). I drink no soda. Chicken and fish are no-nos because they contain loads of sulphur proteins. To see results, you're going to have to be disciplined and willing to sacrifice taste for results. For my lunch at work I eat a bowl of plain vegetable stew (no seasoning). It's not fun to eat, but I force it down. I'm not sure if it'll help with those who also have bad breath due to PND. As I understand it, PND in some contain sulphur proteins. I bet by reducing the amount of these proteins you ingest, the less your body will excrete in mucus. But I'm not sure.
Garfiola, Seeker and I are basically on the same diet but he's allowed to eat onions, garlic, beans and nuts. There's no diet out there that tries to eliminate sulphur, because it is a vital part of the diet. That is why you should eat some nuts, beans and occasionally eat meat if you want. I also don't consume too much sugar. Almost no sugar at all besides the fruits I eat.
My breath is really bad. Not only can I fill up a room by just saying a few words, but I can fill up small outdoor areas if my breath is really bad. I have so many stories of people reacting - and violently so. I think that I might have the worst breath here because of the visceral reactions that I have received.
I use plain diced tomatos on my pasta and add salt and Italian seasoning (no garlic or onion). I drink no soda. Chicken and fish are no-nos because they contain loads of sulphur proteins. To see results, you're going to have to be disciplined and willing to sacrifice taste for results. For my lunch at work I eat a bowl of plain vegetable stew (no seasoning). It's not fun to eat, but I force it down. I'm not sure if it'll help with those who also have bad breath due to PND. As I understand it, PND in some contain sulphur proteins. I bet by reducing the amount of these proteins you ingest, the less your body will excrete in mucus. But I'm not sure.
Garfiola, Seeker and I are basically on the same diet but he's allowed to eat onions, garlic, beans and nuts. There's no diet out there that tries to eliminate sulphur, because it is a vital part of the diet. That is why you should eat some nuts, beans and occasionally eat meat if you want. I also don't consume too much sugar. Almost no sugar at all besides the fruits I eat.
My breath is really bad. Not only can I fill up a room by just saying a few words, but I can fill up small outdoor areas if my breath is really bad. I have so many stories of people reacting - and violently so. I think that I might have the worst breath here because of the visceral reactions that I have received.
bradgm
06-28-2005, 08:34 PM
Lexi, spraying half peroxide half water is way too strong of a mix. Only use those 2 things if you are doing drops, not spray. No wonder it burned really bad. :eek:
If you want to irrigate, use, purified water, a pinch of salt, a pinch of baking soda and a teaspoon of peroxide in the spray bottle.
Doing the drops/spray will only mask the odor for a little while. You need to get rid of the mucus all together by doing some liver flushes. I am going to start doing them as soon as my summer school is over. I will certainly post my results as the summer goes on.
Make sure you always have some bottled water on you as well. If you feel like you are producing an odor, gulp down a few swallows of water, for this will thin the mucus for the time being.
If you want to irrigate, use, purified water, a pinch of salt, a pinch of baking soda and a teaspoon of peroxide in the spray bottle.
Doing the drops/spray will only mask the odor for a little while. You need to get rid of the mucus all together by doing some liver flushes. I am going to start doing them as soon as my summer school is over. I will certainly post my results as the summer goes on.
Make sure you always have some bottled water on you as well. If you feel like you are producing an odor, gulp down a few swallows of water, for this will thin the mucus for the time being.
Godisgood
06-28-2005, 08:35 PM
Thantos
I was on a similar diet...and I noticed that the taste in my mouth and the white on the tongue was completely gone...but the reactions I recieved...which I bet are similar to yours...never went away.
So I gave up...I'll try again later when I can afford it. ARe you having regular bms??
I was on a similar diet...and I noticed that the taste in my mouth and the white on the tongue was completely gone...but the reactions I recieved...which I bet are similar to yours...never went away.
So I gave up...I'll try again later when I can afford it. ARe you having regular bms??
Thanatos86
06-28-2005, 09:26 PM
Godisgood, I am having regular bms. Before this I was not. The only person I think I may be getting a reaction from is my boss. I'm not too sure. Its hard to gague unless my breath is very, very bad.
Thanatos86
06-29-2005, 09:35 AM
I believe that my breath has improved drastically. Still, I am not certain. I'm very afraid to talk to people face-to-face. Today I decided to do just that to one of my co-workers who is a good friend and he didn't make any indication that my breath was bad - and this was later in the day. I was chewing Orbit gum as usual. I'm going to spend some $$$ on some "Bad Breath Detectives" from Therabreath to test the levels of Volatile Sulphur Compounds. I'm going to spend a day eating what I used to eat (garbage) and test the sulphur compound levels at various points of the day. Then when I go back on my current diet, I'll test it again. Katz inflates the process of these swab tests by 500% so they're expensive. The company that makes it cannot sell directly to individuals. But that's neither here nor there.
What you cannot eat: Anything that comes from an animal (meats, eggs, milk, chicken broth, beef broth, etc), nuts, beans, garlic and onions. YOu have to read the labels of everything you buy to make sure they don't contain these products in any form. Just try it for a few days. It's a tough diet, but all you have to do is try it for a few days. After the first day, I bet you'll notice a difference the next morning. Reward yourself one day out of the week with whatever you want. Hopefully you'll see satisfactory results.
Like I said, I'm still very afraid to talk to people. I am crushed every time I get a reaction. The last thing I want is to get a reaction right now. I feel psychologically crushed. Even if an actual cure comes along and I'm cured of bad breath, this psychological impact will probably remain. The effects that it has had on me over the past few years is taking its toll.
I wish I had more guts to test my results out.
What you cannot eat: Anything that comes from an animal (meats, eggs, milk, chicken broth, beef broth, etc), nuts, beans, garlic and onions. YOu have to read the labels of everything you buy to make sure they don't contain these products in any form. Just try it for a few days. It's a tough diet, but all you have to do is try it for a few days. After the first day, I bet you'll notice a difference the next morning. Reward yourself one day out of the week with whatever you want. Hopefully you'll see satisfactory results.
Like I said, I'm still very afraid to talk to people. I am crushed every time I get a reaction. The last thing I want is to get a reaction right now. I feel psychologically crushed. Even if an actual cure comes along and I'm cured of bad breath, this psychological impact will probably remain. The effects that it has had on me over the past few years is taking its toll.
I wish I had more guts to test my results out.
Lexi85
06-29-2005, 12:30 PM
I believe that my breath has improved drastically. Still, I am not certain. I'm very afraid to talk to people face-to-face. Today I decided to do just that to one of my co-workers who is a good friend and he didn't make any indication that my breath was bad - and this was later in the day. I was chewing Orbit gum as usual. I'm going to spend some $$$ on some "Bad Breath Detectives" from Therabreath to test the levels of Volatile Sulphur Compounds. I'm going to spend a day eating what I used to eat (garbage) and test the sulphur compound levels at various points of the day. Then when I go back on my current diet, I'll test it again. Katz inflates the process of these swab tests by 500% so they're expensive. The company that makes it cannot sell directly to individuals. But that's neither here nor there.
What you cannot eat: Anything that comes from an animal (meats, eggs, milk, chicken broth, beef broth, etc), nuts, beans, garlic and onions. YOu have to read the labels of everything you buy to make sure they don't contain these products in any form. Just try it for a few days. It's a tough diet, but all you have to do is try it for a few days. After the first day, I bet you'll notice a difference the next morning. Reward yourself one day out of the week with whatever you want. Hopefully you'll see satisfactory results.
Like I said, I'm still very afraid to talk to people. I am crushed every time I get a reaction. The last thing I want is to get a reaction right now. I feel psychologically crushed. Even if an actual cure comes along and I'm cured of bad breath, this psychological impact will probably remain. The effects that it has had on me over the past few years is taking its toll.
I wish I had more guts to test my results out.
I agree. Even if my BB is cured, I know I'll still have a low confidence level because I'll never know if or when it will return. I don't think I'll ever be at ease, even if the problem is solved in my particular case. The psychological damage over the last ten years has just been embedded so strongly into my mind. I noticed that I'm much more stressed out now that I'm in college, as opposed to when I was in high school.
Brad, I didn't spray the peroxide/water mix, I put two drops in each nostril but it burned very badly and made me extremely tired for some reason. I also developed a sinus headache. Not sure if it was because the mix was too strong or what. Maybe I'll decrease the amounts of peroxide a bit. I'm not too keen on the liver flushes though...
What you cannot eat: Anything that comes from an animal (meats, eggs, milk, chicken broth, beef broth, etc), nuts, beans, garlic and onions. YOu have to read the labels of everything you buy to make sure they don't contain these products in any form. Just try it for a few days. It's a tough diet, but all you have to do is try it for a few days. After the first day, I bet you'll notice a difference the next morning. Reward yourself one day out of the week with whatever you want. Hopefully you'll see satisfactory results.
Like I said, I'm still very afraid to talk to people. I am crushed every time I get a reaction. The last thing I want is to get a reaction right now. I feel psychologically crushed. Even if an actual cure comes along and I'm cured of bad breath, this psychological impact will probably remain. The effects that it has had on me over the past few years is taking its toll.
I wish I had more guts to test my results out.
I agree. Even if my BB is cured, I know I'll still have a low confidence level because I'll never know if or when it will return. I don't think I'll ever be at ease, even if the problem is solved in my particular case. The psychological damage over the last ten years has just been embedded so strongly into my mind. I noticed that I'm much more stressed out now that I'm in college, as opposed to when I was in high school.
Brad, I didn't spray the peroxide/water mix, I put two drops in each nostril but it burned very badly and made me extremely tired for some reason. I also developed a sinus headache. Not sure if it was because the mix was too strong or what. Maybe I'll decrease the amounts of peroxide a bit. I'm not too keen on the liver flushes though...
Thanatos86
06-30-2005, 07:50 PM
garfiola,
A girl at my work cornered me last night & we talked. I know she likes me and that makes it more difficult because I like to know that there's someone out there who likes me. If I lose that because of my breath, I'll be hurt. My diet was 100% yesterday so whatever my breath was like was probbly the best it will ever be. I did not notice her reacting to my breath. If tomorrow I see her not smiling at me or trying to talk to me, I'll have an idea.
A girl at my work cornered me last night & we talked. I know she likes me and that makes it more difficult because I like to know that there's someone out there who likes me. If I lose that because of my breath, I'll be hurt. My diet was 100% yesterday so whatever my breath was like was probbly the best it will ever be. I did not notice her reacting to my breath. If tomorrow I see her not smiling at me or trying to talk to me, I'll have an idea.
Godisgood
06-30-2005, 11:02 PM
Thantos
I'm looking at what you're not eating...I didn't do my diet that way??
Can you tell me EXACTLY what you are eating...break it down breakfast, lunch..etc It seems like your not eating very much...that I can afford!!!LOL:)
Do you drink a lot of water..if so how much? And how long did it take to rid yourself of the taste on your tongue.
Oh yeah...why no beans???...my last diet consisted of nothing but beans and fish!!
I'm looking at what you're not eating...I didn't do my diet that way??
Can you tell me EXACTLY what you are eating...break it down breakfast, lunch..etc It seems like your not eating very much...that I can afford!!!LOL:)
Do you drink a lot of water..if so how much? And how long did it take to rid yourself of the taste on your tongue.
Oh yeah...why no beans???...my last diet consisted of nothing but beans and fish!!
Joshie
07-01-2005, 06:11 AM
What about lentils and peas? The protein values of those two are almost equal to that of beans.
Thanatos86
07-01-2005, 09:34 AM
Goodisgood,
1:30pm - Oatmeal, cinnamon, splenda, Apple Sauce, salt, 1 banana
2:00 - 3:00 - Work Out
3:00 - Oatmeal, cinnamon, splenda, Apple Sauce, salt
6:00 - Pasta, plain diced tomoatos, italian seasoning, salt, Apple
8:00 - Big bowl of tasteless Stew (potatoes, carrots, celery, italian seasoning, salt), Orange
10:30 - Same as 6:00, pineapple
1:30AM - Homemade Salsa (no garlic or onions but still delicious!) with Corn Chips.
Every hour or so I take 5-6 whey protein capsules (muscle milk). The pasta that I eat already contains a lot of semolina protein.
Beans contain a bit of sulphur-proteins, but from what I read, it doesn't even compare with the amount of sulphur-proteins in meats and dairy products.
This diet is easy except the part where I have to force-feed myself tasteless stew. It literally takes me 15 minutes to eat because I eat bland food very slowly and via small mouthfulls.
On Saturday, my day off from work, I eat whatever I want. I eat meat, milk, garlic, cheese all of that stuff.
I noticed a difference on the very first day but by the next morning when there was no taste upon waking up, I knew from that alone this diet was worth it. Usually, I can really taste my breath in the morning. It is so, so bad.
1:30pm - Oatmeal, cinnamon, splenda, Apple Sauce, salt, 1 banana
2:00 - 3:00 - Work Out
3:00 - Oatmeal, cinnamon, splenda, Apple Sauce, salt
6:00 - Pasta, plain diced tomoatos, italian seasoning, salt, Apple
8:00 - Big bowl of tasteless Stew (potatoes, carrots, celery, italian seasoning, salt), Orange
10:30 - Same as 6:00, pineapple
1:30AM - Homemade Salsa (no garlic or onions but still delicious!) with Corn Chips.
Every hour or so I take 5-6 whey protein capsules (muscle milk). The pasta that I eat already contains a lot of semolina protein.
Beans contain a bit of sulphur-proteins, but from what I read, it doesn't even compare with the amount of sulphur-proteins in meats and dairy products.
This diet is easy except the part where I have to force-feed myself tasteless stew. It literally takes me 15 minutes to eat because I eat bland food very slowly and via small mouthfulls.
On Saturday, my day off from work, I eat whatever I want. I eat meat, milk, garlic, cheese all of that stuff.
I noticed a difference on the very first day but by the next morning when there was no taste upon waking up, I knew from that alone this diet was worth it. Usually, I can really taste my breath in the morning. It is so, so bad.
Thanatos86
07-01-2005, 09:39 AM
What about lentils and peas? The protein values of those two are almost equal to that of beans.
Lentils & peas are siad to have some but not a significant amount of sulphur-proteins.
Sulphur-proteins are important, so you should allow yourself to feast on them once per week or in daily amounts that won't lead to halitosis. I prefer to deny my mouth of any sulphur-protiens what-so-ever 6 days out of the week.
This is n easy diet. Just eliminate sulphur-proteins for a few days and see if it works for you. Don't cheat during those few days.
Also, the girl I talked to the other night came up and talked to me again. She's been interested for 7 months now and the past two nights have been the only nights where we have struck up long conversations standing next to eachother. It seems that she didn't smell anything offensive or too offensive. I want to pull my hair out because I'm not sure about my breath. I know there's still some bad breath there.
Lentils & peas are siad to have some but not a significant amount of sulphur-proteins.
Sulphur-proteins are important, so you should allow yourself to feast on them once per week or in daily amounts that won't lead to halitosis. I prefer to deny my mouth of any sulphur-protiens what-so-ever 6 days out of the week.
This is n easy diet. Just eliminate sulphur-proteins for a few days and see if it works for you. Don't cheat during those few days.
Also, the girl I talked to the other night came up and talked to me again. She's been interested for 7 months now and the past two nights have been the only nights where we have struck up long conversations standing next to eachother. It seems that she didn't smell anything offensive or too offensive. I want to pull my hair out because I'm not sure about my breath. I know there's still some bad breath there.
ShroudedInMist
07-01-2005, 02:19 PM
Good job Thanatos, I'm glad you're sharing that with us. I'll have to try that diet too, but not just yet, 'cos I have some other things going on.
Garfiola, try to hold on buddy! Things will be better. I hope so :rolleyes:
BTW, has anyone noticed some sort of white stuff around lips? I mean when it is a hot day, and I'm doing something physical, I get that white thing around my mouth. It might be the same origin as the covering on my tongue.
Garfiola, try to hold on buddy! Things will be better. I hope so :rolleyes:
BTW, has anyone noticed some sort of white stuff around lips? I mean when it is a hot day, and I'm doing something physical, I get that white thing around my mouth. It might be the same origin as the covering on my tongue.
Godisgood
07-01-2005, 10:25 PM
Thanatos
Ok...thats doesn't sound bad...at all. Is there any variety? Do you have any other main dishes?? How long have you been on the diet?? Do you drink water?? Are you constantly hungry??
Ok...thats doesn't sound bad...at all. Is there any variety? Do you have any other main dishes?? How long have you been on the diet?? Do you drink water?? Are you constantly hungry??
Thanatos86
07-02-2005, 09:09 AM
Right now there is no variety because its hard to make decent meals with so few ingredients at my disposal.
I am always hungry & I keep losing weight during the week (I put on some during the weekend). I think I'll have to add rice to my stew to help keep the hunger at bay and keep my weight loss to a minimum.
I drink about 7 liters of water per day.
I am always hungry & I keep losing weight during the week (I put on some during the weekend). I think I'll have to add rice to my stew to help keep the hunger at bay and keep my weight loss to a minimum.
I drink about 7 liters of water per day.
Joshie
07-02-2005, 10:32 AM
Don't those whey protein capsules give you bad breath?
Thanatos86
07-02-2005, 11:01 AM
No, because the actual protein doesn't touch my mouth. It is encapsulated in vegetable capsules and is released in the stomach
Joshie
07-02-2005, 07:17 PM
Mad cool! Where can I purchase these?
Thanatos86
07-02-2005, 09:14 PM
You gotta make them yourself.
I use Cap-M-Quik's capsule maker (size 00). It takes me about 7-8 minutes to make 50 capsules and that about does it for the day.
I use Cap-M-Quik's capsule maker (size 00). It takes me about 7-8 minutes to make 50 capsules and that about does it for the day.
chriss22
07-03-2005, 03:42 AM
Guess my bb hasn't gotten any better. Last night I was out having a drink w/my friend and while I already had a piece of fresh gum in my mouth somebody offered me a mint. I told him no thanks, I already had a piece and he insisted I take the mint. How humiliating. This really sucks. Any self confidence I have from working out, taking care of myself, having money is all completely useless due to this stench that comes out of my mouth that I'm completely unaware of. I think I have a piece of gum in my mouth so I am safe for the night, only to be reminded of what an outcast I am. I wonder if people refer to me as the person w/bb behind my back. I'm sure they do. There has to be a cure soon. Life seems like it's a waste of time without being able to socialize or heaven forbid be intimate with someone. This is really, really, getting to me lately, I'm just so depressed over it.
I'm having a really hard week because of that comment, I'm sure you all understand. Hopefully somehow this monster of a curse will be solved soon. My twentie's are almost over :(
I'm having a really hard week because of that comment, I'm sure you all understand. Hopefully somehow this monster of a curse will be solved soon. My twentie's are almost over :(
Joshie
07-03-2005, 08:18 AM
You gotta make them yourself.
I use Cap-M-Quik's capsule maker (size 00). It takes me about 7-8 minutes to make 50 capsules and that about does it for the day.
I'd need a lot of capsules for one scoop of protein powder. What powder are you using?
I use Cap-M-Quik's capsule maker (size 00). It takes me about 7-8 minutes to make 50 capsules and that about does it for the day.
I'd need a lot of capsules for one scoop of protein powder. What powder are you using?
Joshie
07-03-2005, 03:38 PM
I discontinued using Aerobic Oxygen. Perhaps I'll start using it again sometime. Where did you hear vitamin C can be used to reduce bb?

