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stoutheart
06-24-2005, 03:09 PM
I just started this pill. I just started my 2nd week of the first month. I have been lightly spotting with occasional btb. Is this normal. Am I ok? I have also been having a backache. Is there something I can take for the discomfort?

My gyno is hoping to control the spotting I have been having. I was on Ovcon for 3 months and I spotted through that so she put me on this pill.

Thanks for any help ladies ;)

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Colleen04
06-24-2005, 03:17 PM
My first 2 months of Estrostep I spotted as well. I'm on my 3rd pack and so far no spotting...which I think I'm out of the clear because by now I usually was spotting. So you can just wait it out and see how you are a couple of months from now. I'm actually about to switch off it because I keep getting really nausiated. Good luck.

KSSS
06-24-2005, 04:18 PM
I've been on estrostep for almost 8 months now and i've never had breakthrough bleeding but pills affect each person differently. If it continues for a longer time it might be a good idea to have your gyno switch you to a different pill, sometimes it is just a matter of finding the right one for you.

Allison1125
06-24-2005, 06:27 PM
hi...i was on estrostep for 4 months & each month i started bleeding on day 8 of the pack (lasting an average or 6-10 days). the 4th month it lasted 10 days so my gyn switched me to ovcon-35 this month. i started bleeding on day 9 & its still going strong today (5 days later). i guess it takes longer for some of us to adjust. i'm wondering if a different pill might be better though since both estrostep & ovcon have the same hormones - just different strengths through the month. i dont know...just a thought....

stoutheart
06-24-2005, 07:35 PM
I have been wondering that too. I was just trying to trust my gyn. I know I'm only in my first month, but I really want it to work. I'm so tired of bleeding. It kinda puts a strain on a marriage plus not to mention your sanity. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. :)

Allison1125
06-25-2005, 02:11 AM
i know exactly what you mean! its incredibly annoying & kinda getting me depressed. i cant take this 2 periods a month business any longer. i'd like to actually be able to have sex while i'm on the stupid pill! can i ask...do you smoke? i know you're not supposed to smoke on the pill but i do & my gyn is aware. i was somking about 15 cigarettes a day when i started taking the pill & this month i've limited myself to around 5 a day to see if that would help because i read somewhere that the more you smoke, the more btb occurs. well, its not helping. so i was just wondering if maybe you were a smoker as well. just another thought... good luck to you! i hope it gets better. other than the bleeding i had, i did like estrostep a lot.

stoutheart
06-25-2005, 02:23 PM
Yes, I'm also depressed. It just can't seem to stop fully for even a day. I just keeping thinking that something else is wrong. I'm getting older and would like to have a child before I get much older but I'm afraid that I will not be able to ever have one if this continues. One good thing is that my husband is really patient. I don't know what I would do without him.

No, I have never smoked. I guess since my parents did when I was growing up and I hated it, I never wanted to start.

I'll keep you updated. Please do the same. It's nice to have someone to talk to about this that understands........

Allison1125
06-27-2005, 01:01 PM
hi stoutheart. how are you doing? i'm starting to feel a little bit better. i havent had cramps for the past few mornings so thats a plus! the breakthrough bleeding has continued though. its worse in the mornings for me...i dont know if that has something to do with the fact that i take the pill in the morning or not. it did stop last night though...my boyfriend & i were very excited! :D and this morning i have very light spotting. i'm hoping this is a good sign since next week is my real period week & i'd like to have a little break! i'm also going away with my boyfriend in 2 weeks. that will be week 1 of my new pack which has been my only "safe" week since going on the pill. i hope it stays that way. :dizzy: but hey, who knows at this point?! i've decided that i'm only going to give this pill 2 more months and if it doesnt get better, i'm done! i've spent more than half of the last 5 months bleeding & i really dont think its worth it. i would hate to have to switch to another pill & go through it all over again.

as for the worrying - i dont think anything is wrong. i thought that as well, but my dr assured me that this just happens to some people. we're the unlucky ones i guess. hope all is well! :wave:

stoutheart
06-27-2005, 01:31 PM
Hi Allison,
I'm doing ok I guess. I'm still having cramping and spotting too. It's still my first month so I'm trying to not let it get me down, but it's so hard. :( Am I expecting too much too soon? Could it still work the next few months. Who knows!!?! It's so frustrating.

Do you know what the difference between btb and spotting?

You have light bleeding on your period week? When I was on Ovcon, my week off the pill was lighter than the other 3 weeks. My gyn didn't understand that one. How long have you been on Ovcon? I was on it for 3 months and the bleeding never let up.

Keep in touch
stoutheart :wave:

Allison1125
06-27-2005, 03:01 PM
hi again stoutheart! :wave:

this is my 1st month on ovcon. i'm on day 2 of week 3 today. i was on estrostep for 4 months before switching this month. when i was on estrostep, the 1st pack i bled heavily for pretty much the entire month. i think i had maybe 4 good days...it was a nightmare! then the 2nd month, i started bleeding day 8 & that lasted 10 days. the 3rd month, the bleeding started on day 8 & lasted 6 days...so i thought it was getting better. well then, the 4th month, again i started bleeding on day 8 but this time it lasted 10 days again. so i'd had it! my gyn switched me to ovcon & i went to bed on day 8 with a huge smile on my face! i made it through the day with no bleeding. just my luck i woke up on day 9 with cramps & started bleeding again. (you can see i'm a bit anal about keeping track of this...i mark everything on my pill pack so i can see if its improving from month to month)

my breakthrough bleeding & my period week bleeding are pretty much the same. its not that heavy...i just have to use regular tampons or pantyliners (big improvement from my periods before the pill where i had to double up on super plus tampons & overnight pads!). but i think that like you, sometimes the btb gets a little heavier at times & it does seem worse than the period...sometimes. and of course the btb lasts longer than my periods (which have been 1-4 days since i started).

i think that spotting is when its super light, like you only notice it when you go to the bathroom or whatever...and its brown in color. btb is heavier & red. usually in the morning i get it heavy & red & as the day goes on it gets lighter & by the time i go to bed i dont need to use anything...but in the morning it starts all over again. sorry if too much info :)

so the 3 months that you were on ovcon, did you have any good days or were you bleeding the entire time?! i hope you got a break somewhere in there!!! i read somewhere online that for people with continuous super bad btb, gyns can prescribe an additional hormone pill to take along with the pill to help stop the bleeding. and i think it said you use it for a few months while your body adjusts to the regular pill & then stop taking the additional pill. i'll see if i can find some more info on that. i've never heard anything like that before anywhere else. in the meantime, i guess since we're both on the 1st month of a new pill, we have to just wait & see. i just get so frustrated, i feel its not getting any better. and then i read all these posts about people who never got btb! makes me wonder why its been so bad for me even though i know everyones different. it still stinks! its nice to have someone who can relate to what i'm going through!

take care!
-allison :D

stoutheart
06-27-2005, 03:19 PM
So we are both in the first month's of the pill that the other one used to take last month. I'm on my 3rd pill of my 2nd week. I keep track of my bleeding too. My gyn wants to know how I'm doing. I take iron pills to (hopefully) keep up my blood level. I'm anemic and had to have a transfusion because my hemoglobin got so low. That's another reason why I worry about the bleeding. My bleeding is never brown. It goes from red to light pink.

On Ovcon I didn't have a day without any bleeding. Sorry. I bet you will do better on it than I did. Sometimes I think that me stressing about it all the time is making it worse. Trying to relax when it's always there is hard to do. I know you can relate. BTW, do you get cramps? Do you take anything for them?

Take care,
Heidi

Allison1125
06-27-2005, 04:13 PM
hi heidi,

and i thought i had it bad! i would have jumped out my window if i bled for 3 months straight without a little break! thats just awful! were your periods before the pill very bad? is that why you're taking the pill now?

i feel the same way about stressing over this. i try to stop thinking maybe it would be better but its just so frustrating!

i do get cramps with the btb...not so much my period week. i just take motrin or advil to help deal with them but honestly its not that bad. before i went on the pill my cramps were so incredibly painful that i would have to stay in bed for the 1st day to two days with a heating pad while popping muscle relaxants & naproxen. so these cramps really dont bother me all that much. have you been getting bad cramps?

oh & just to let you know since you're on week 2 of your pack...my btb usually started to slow down at the end of week 2 on estrostep. guess it had something to do with the increase in hormones. and by the beginning to middle of week 3 it would stop. at least then i would get a good week of freedom...i'm keeping my fingers crossed that you get your freedom soon!!

-allison :)

stoutheart
06-27-2005, 04:35 PM
Hey Allison, I was on the pill (Ortho Novum 1/35) for 16 years straight and during that time I never really had any bleeding. I was very petite and in shape. I went off of them to get regular so I could eventually have a child. My periods off the pill were fine for a few years up until last year. I guess my body changed or something. I did gain some weight after I got married. Maybe that has something to do with it. If I knew this was going to happen, I should have ttc a few years ago when I was ok. You just never know. :confused:

I have been getting backaches and some cramping. I just took some ibruprofen.

I don't know what the next week will hold. I do hope it gets better. I would love to go 2 days without anything. I can't remember the last time that happened. If it does stop, I will be afraid of doing anything with my husband for fear that it will come back. :(

Didn't you say that your first month on this pill was worse than the others?

Heidi :wave:

Allison1125
06-27-2005, 09:48 PM
hi heidi!

my 1st month on estrostep was the worst but i dont know if that was the estrostep or just because it was my 1st time ever on bcps. i'm starting to think that maybe we're having a hard time because we were both heavy bleeders before. i wonder if theres anyone else on this board who had super heavy periods & problems adjusting to the pill, or anyone who had super heavy periods & no btb at all.

does the ibuprofen help your cramps & backaches? when i had bad cramps before going on the pill, i used to use those thermacare heat things that you stick to your underwear when i couldnt stay in bed with my heating pad. they helped a lot.

you mentioned that if it did stop, you'd be afraid to to do anything with your husband...i know exactly what you mean. i did have 1 time where it went away & i had sex & then like a half hour later i started bleeding. i find that (this might be too much info) sometimes when i get aroused, it stops & then comes back a few hours later. and other times it stops & doesnt come back after sex. i dont know if thats just timing, or if it has something to do with sex. so i always run & check before i do anything and if the coast is clear i go for it! i havent had any surprises while having sex, but the fear is always is my mind. it really stinks because since i've been on the pill, my sex drive has been insane! but i'm always bleeding...so i take advantage of the breaks as much as i can & pray for no surprises. so i started bleeding 8 days ago, had a little break last night & used it :D , had the slightest bit of spotting this morning & have been clear the rest of the day. i bet i just jinxed myself...but the past couple of months, that has been the pattern. kinda like sex is the cure. sorry again if i've said too much...

take care,
allison :wave:

stoutheart
06-28-2005, 12:09 PM
Allison,
The Ibruprofen seems to help. Takes the edge off.

I get to make an appt with a hemotologist. My gyn wants to make sure I don't have any other issues with my blood. That is stressing me out. I don't want to get those results. I keep thinking what if they are bad results. She has always told me that I have a hormone imbalance but has never checked my hormones.

I wish I could just 'go for it'. There really isn't a time that it fully stops. Maybe the shower. I'm not sure my husband would like that. :(

~heidi

Allison1125
06-28-2005, 02:16 PM
that must be scarey. but try to think of it this way...maybe its something that would be so simple to fix. how nice would that be?! i think its a good idea that you'll be going to a hematologist. gyns dont know everything...kinda like going to a foot dr for a heart problem. the hematologist might have that simple solution right away. you're not on blood thinners right? also, do you take any vitamins? maybe something that you're taking is thinning your blood...making it harder for your body to stop bleeding? i dunno...just trying to think of possibilities. try to relax...you'll probably have this whole mess worked out in no time!

-allison :wave:

stoutheart
06-28-2005, 02:32 PM
nope, no blood thinners or vitamins...just 2 iron pills and the bcp pill. I'm trying to relax.....very difficult :(

I hope it gets worked out soon. It's been going on for way too long.

Thanks for the support. I'll keep in touch on how I do the rest of the month.

One more thing, was your 'off' week very heavy? You said it got better in the 3rd week and you had a week of freedom.

~heidi :)

Allison1125
06-28-2005, 03:42 PM
hey heidi,

the 1st month i had like 2 days with no btb at the end of week 2 & then it started again the 1st day of week 3 & continued till the 5th day of week 4.

month 2 the btb stopped on day 3 of week 3 & i was in the clear till day 3 of week 4 where i only had my period for 1 day.

month 3 i was clear for the entire 3rd week & then had a period from days 1-4 of week 4.

and month 4 i had btb through day 3 of week 3 & then cleared up till day 2 of week 4 where i had a 3 day period.

i hope that wasnt too confusing! :) the bleeding during week 4 is pretty much the same as the btb for me...nowhere near as heavy as before i started the pill. nothing a regular tampon cant handle. and the good part is that for me the bleeding always stopped in week 4. hope this helps...keep me updated with everything! :wave:

stoutheart
07-06-2005, 12:08 PM
Hi Allison,
Here we are a week later and I'm still spotting. I take my last pill of my first pack tomorrow. I called the dr yesterday to see if I should take the week off or go right into the new pack. She hasn't called back yet. I don't know if going right into a new pack with Estrostep is a good idea. It's probably hard on the body because of the change in estrogen. I'll probably end up with more btb. Yuck!

How is the Ovcon working for you?

Heidi :wave:

Allison1125
07-06-2005, 01:52 PM
hey heidi! :wave:

hows it going? i was wondering how you were doing! have you had any breaks with the spotting?

the ovcon is going ok i guess. i had 4 days with no spotting last week which was week 3. i started bleeding again on saturday. will start my 2nd pack on sunday. on estrostep i always stopped bleeding in the middle to end of week 4. i'm hoping that will happen on this pill because i'm going away with my bf on sunday & i really dont want to have to worry about it on vacation. :(

i think if i were you i'd take the week off before starting the new pack. i posted when i was switching pills because i wanted to go straight to the new pack but someone told me that since i was having problems with the btb, i should probably take the week off. also, with estrostep, i think the hormone drop will just give you spotting anyways. might be best to give your body a break & then build up the hormones again. i dont know. see what your dr says.

hey did you ever make that appointment with the hematologist?

well i hope all is well. keep me updated! i'm hoping that next month is PERFECT for both of us!! :D

stoutheart
07-06-2005, 02:22 PM
I'm hanging in there. I haven't had any breaks yet. It gets light and then gets a little heavier.

Are you on your week off? You are probably on your pill period this week. So you stopped bleeding at the end of your off pill week with Estrostep? I'm going away this weekend too and I'm scared if I go off the pills, I will have a blowout but I guess if it happens it happens.

I really would like to get this figured out soon too. I'm going to Hawaii next month and don't want to worry about this but probably will have to deal with it. :(.

I'm going to the hematologist in a few weeks. I'm so nervous. :(.

I hope next month is a little better..... :D

Allison1125
07-06-2005, 05:28 PM
hi again. i'm so sorry to hear that you havent had any breaks! thats just terrible!

i am on my off week right now. the only thing that concerns me is that i started bleeding on the day of my last active pill. on estrostep i would start during the off week.

when you were on ovcon did you take it continuously or did you take the placebo weeks?

stoutheart
07-06-2005, 06:26 PM
On Ovcon, I took off a week for my placebo week. My heavy week would be my 3rd week and my 'off' week wasn't that bad. The doctor couldn't understand that. Sounds like you are pretty close to getting it right. You started to bleed on your last active. That's not bad. It's better than doing it the whole month. I bet next month your body will reset itself. Your only in the first month.

This week, which has been my 3rd week, has been a little heavier than last week. Maybe my body wants to have it's period in the 3rd week. I dunno. I just hope and pray that I get a few days break here pretty soon. I'm really frustrated/depressed about the whole thing. I keep thinking that it will NEVER stop and I know that's the wrong thing to think but I can't remember when I had a whole day's break. :(

Allison1125
07-07-2005, 09:55 AM
hang in there heidi. i'm curious to see if you get a break toward the end of week 4. you'll have to let me know.

my periods still going which kinda freaks me out. its lighter today i guess but on estrostep, the longest period i had was 4 days (not including the 1st month). this is day 6! i really really really hope it goes away before sunday...

stoutheart
07-07-2005, 04:57 PM
Well, I just heard from the doctor. She wants me to go directly into the new pack. I'm not sure if that is such a good thing. She knows I have been spotting and knows that I'm on a triphasic so I guess I shouldn't second guess her. Right?? :confused: I guess I'd better be ready for more spotting. This sucks!!

I'll be thinking of you on Sunday. Will you be checking in next week or will you be away from the computer for a while?

I'm going away this weekend too and I hate to go because of not knowing what's going to happen. I guess I will just have to deal with it. Being a women really sucks if your parts aren't working right.

Allison1125
07-07-2005, 11:44 PM
well i guess the dr should know best right? did she have anything to say about the constant bleeding or did she not seem too concerned?

i'm leaving on sunday morning...coming back thursday night. i probably wont have internet access while i'm away. i'll definitely check in when i get back to see how you're doing!

i hope you have a nice time this weekend. try to relax if you can. guys have it so easy dont they?! so unfair!!! take care... :)

Allison1125
07-15-2005, 01:47 AM
hey there heidi! :wave: just got back from my trip & thought i'd check in with you. how was your weekend away? any good news with the spotting issue?

well, i finally stopped my period on saturday...thought it would never end! and i've been ok since then. i'm not getting my hopes up this month though. i'm sure it will all start up again next week (week 2 of my pack). hoping it doesnt though.

well, let me know how everythings going. hope all is well!!

-allison :wave:

stoutheart
07-15-2005, 12:31 PM
Allison,
My weekend away was just ok. It was there with me the whole weekend and it's still here. I'm glad yours stopped. I wish mine would. That way I would have a little hope. It's light at times but still there.

I emailed the dr to let her know and she said to be patient that the lining could take 6 weeks to stabilize. I just hate that. Be patient. It's been over 6 months. :confused: I go to the hematologist on Tuesday.

~heidi

Allison1125
07-15-2005, 03:16 PM
hey heidi. sorry to hear you're still having no luck. what did your dr mean about it taking 6 weeks for the lining to stabilize? if that was the case, shouldnt it have stabilized when you were on the ovcon? i'm not trying to be negative...i just dont get it. i was on estrostep for 4 cycles & i never stabilized. sometimes i think they'll say anything to make us leave them alone! i completely understand your frustration!

so if everything goes the way it has been for me, i should start spotting again on sunday or monday. i'll keep my fingers crossed that it doesnt happen but i am expecting it. my boobs feel a little sore today...not a good sign! i'll let you know what happens.

please update me after you see the hematologist...i'm curious to see what they say. try not to worry too much...i'm sure it will go smoothly!

take care,
allison :)

stoutheart
07-15-2005, 03:35 PM
I wondered why she said that too. I wanted to email her back to say I was on Ovcon for 3 months and never stabilized.

I see her on Aug 4th and will be sure to ask her that. I will have the blood results from the hemo also to discuss with her. Yeah. Don't want to know, but I do. :(

I'm glad your body behaved when you went away with your b/f.

Allison1125
07-19-2005, 12:23 PM
hey heidi! how did your appointment go?????

stoutheart
07-19-2005, 12:43 PM
Hi Allison,
I go today at 2:30 pacific time. I don't know what time zone your in.

I'm getting nervous. :confused:

Allison1125
07-19-2005, 03:00 PM
hey...i'm in ny. try not to be so nervous. this is a good thing. maybe now you can fix the problem...you know? well good luck! i hope everything goes well. give me an update later if you can. i'll be thinking about you... :wave:

stoutheart
07-19-2005, 03:06 PM
I'm in ca. Thanks for the support. :) It means a lot to me. I don't have anyone to talk to about this that understands. I'll send a reply when I get back.

I'm pretty sure that he will just give me a lab slip for the blood work and then I will have to go and have it drawn. I hope they don't take too much. I'm already anemic.

stoutheart
07-19-2005, 09:49 PM
Hey Allison,
Well, I got back a little while ago. The doctor was really nice. Unfortunately, he does not check for hormones, just blood. I would have to go to a endocrinologist for hormones. The ob has not said anything about that yet, but if this continues, I'm sure that will be the next step.

I go tomorrow to get it drawn and then call the dr on friday to get my results. He doesn't think they are going to be too bad. If my iron is low, I will have to go in for iron transfusions to boost my level. I'll let you know what happens on Friday. Keep your fingers crossed. I don't like waiting for results.....

Allison1125
07-20-2005, 10:19 AM
hey! i'm glad to see the appointment went well. so did he say anything about why this might be happening? i hate waiting for results too...but if he said he doesnt think they'll be bad i'd go with that! i'm hoping that now you can finally get to the bottom of this!

as for me...i'm on day 11 of my pack & i havent had any btb yet (always starts by day 9). but i'm not getting my hopes up. my boobs are killing & i felt a little crampy this morning. i'm sure it will start today or tomorrow...i'd put money on it!

stoutheart
07-20-2005, 12:34 PM
He didn't say why this might be happening. That's for the ob to work on. He just checks the blood for any abnormalities. He said he was pretty sure I don't have cancer. There were people in there getting chemotherapy which kinda scared me. :(

So, tonight after work I get to go and lose some more blood at the lab. I'm trying to make blood and then they take it. So frustrating. Hopefully it won't be that much but the lab sheet has a few boxes checked on it.

Hey sounds like Ovcon is working for you. That's great. I wish mine would stop for a day to give me SOME hope. It's hard not to think that she won't be able to find a pill that will work for me. Then, I think that since the pill isn't working, that there must be something horribly wrong with me.

Allison1125
07-23-2005, 10:10 AM
hey heidi! :wave:

did you get your results yet?

stoutheart
07-23-2005, 03:55 PM
Hi Allison,
Yes, I did. My hemoglobin is 8.5 which is ok for me, still low. My ferritin (iron in the blood) is 7 (should be 14). I have to take 3 iron pills everyday and next week he wants me to re-test my vitamin b12 and my ferritin again so he has the results when I see him on the 2nd. I see the ob on the 4th. If my levels don't come up, I will have to have an iron transfusion. They can make me sick and they are hard on the body. The bleeding has been pretty good the last day, just in time to have my week off next week. I have to call the ob to see if she wants me to skip the placebo week next week.

How are you doing with Ovcon? Did you start to bleed like you thought???

Allison1125
07-23-2005, 09:01 PM
hey heidi!

thanks for the update...i'm so glad that everything went well!!! hopefully the iron pills will do the trick. i've never heard of iron transfusions. i'll keep my fingers crossed for you. so did your bleeding stop or has it just slowed down? i'm happy to hear that its been better!

well, i'm on my last day of week 2 & so far no bleeding! but i still feel like its coming. my boobs are sssooooo sore...to the point where i'm sleeping in my bra because it hurts too much when i take it off. and i felt crampy this morning. thought for sure i'd have some btb today. but so far so good. guess i should just toughen up & be happy that i'm not bleeding yet. i'm not getting my hopes up though because its bound to start soon. but if i do make it to my off week with no bleeding, i'm throwing a party!! :D

hope all is well...
-allison :wave:

Allison1125
07-26-2005, 10:38 AM
well, no party just yet. started bleeding this morning. :( oh i'm so sick of this!!! of course this would start today because my bf & i are going away for the next 2 nights. gggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....i want to scream! i am cramping so bad right now. i'm starting to think this whole pill thing is just not worth it for me! i went on the pill to help my skin & to make my periods lighter & less painful. i've seen no improvement in my skin from the pill & i'm probably bleeding more now than with my super heavy periods before the stupid pill. and i'm still having cramps. should i really bother anymore? oh this just totally ruined my day!!! :mad:

how are you doing heidi? hope all is well... :wave:

stoutheart
07-26-2005, 01:25 PM
hey allison~
I'm sorry you are bleeding. Just be thankful that you had a break. I haven't had a break yet. Is your bleeding get very heavy? How many tampons/pads do you go though?

I'm still spotting. Sometimes it gets heavy. I emailed the doctor yesterday and she hasn't responded yet. If she doesn't email me back by tomorrow then I will have to call. I need to know if I should go right into the new pack. I have to get some more blood drawn this week for the hematologist. He wants to check the iron level again. I don't see how it would go up in just a week especially if I'm still spotting.

I really want to be ok when I go to Hawaii in a few weeks but I know that it won't be. I have a hard time using tampons so if I don't get the hang of it, I can't go swimming. I'm really depressed.

I keep thinking that she won't get it to stop and I will have to have a hysterectomy. I really would like a child. I'm getting older (36) and getting worried. I'm sure you don't have to deal with that yet. You are probably pretty young.

heidi

Ankyra80
07-26-2005, 02:01 PM
Hey girls,

Been slowly catching up on all the reading.. im sorry both u girls are having a hard time with the pill... have u tried stopping for a few months and starting over... sometimes the symptoms change the second time around...

I hope u guys feel better...

:)

stoutheart
07-26-2005, 02:28 PM
Hi Nyxen,
Thank you for joining in. No, I hadn't thought of that. I will bring that up in my appt next week with the ob.

Thanks,
Heidi :)

Ankyra80
07-26-2005, 02:45 PM
Hi,...
Im curious what might be causing your problems...
I take Microgestin 1/20 (generic for Loestrin 1/20 Fe: 1mg norethindrone acetate and 20mg ethinyl estradiol) it seems like they have the exact same hormones but estrostep is a triphasic as mine are monophasic. Maybe suggesting to be put on a monophasic may help... the up and downs of the doses in hormones may not be agreeing with your body...

:wave:

stoutheart
07-26-2005, 02:58 PM
Just prior to Estrostep I was on Ovcon 35 for 3 months and I had btb the entire time so my gyno switched me. Now if this one doesn't work, I'm not sure what she will do.

Allison1125
07-27-2005, 04:23 PM
hey....sorry for my outburst yesterday. i'm just ssooooo frustrated! i thought i was finally getting somewhere. this is so upsetting. i've felt terrible since this btb started. i'm still cramping horribly today. the pain is comparable to the cramps i had before starting the pill....except that before the pill they were only bad for day 1 & by mid day 2 they were completely gone. the cramps i'm having right now would be an 8 on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the worst cramps i've ever had). the bleeding is not too bad. i'm using regular tampons...probably used 3 yesterday & 2 so far today. but this pain is ridiculous!

heidi - have you heard from your dr yet? i read somewhere again yesterday that for people with constant btb they sometimes prescribe a low dose pill to take with your current pill till the btb stops. did you ever ask about that? when will you get the blood results back? i think the iron levels should go up if you're taking it 3x a day. i hope you get this all straightened out before your trip. how many weeks till you go? also, did you ever consider seeing a different gyn? maybe another dr would know exactly what to do just by hearing what you've been going through...just a thought. well, i hope you're feeling ok.

take care,
allison :wave:

Allison1125
07-27-2005, 04:29 PM
hi nyxen

thanks for the input. i'll bring up taking a break with my dr next time i go. i'm just afraid of going through this all over again. i've been on the pill for 6 months now. i started on estrostep...used it for 4 months & still had btb so my dr switched me to ovcon-35 which is the same hormones but its a monophasic pill. i'm starting to think that maybe my body doesnt agree with the types of hormones in estrostep & ovcon (they are the same).

Ankyra80
07-27-2005, 04:48 PM
hi nyxen

thanks for the input. i'll bring up taking a break with my dr next time i go. i'm just afraid of going through this all over again. i've been on the pill for 6 months now. i started on estrostep...used it for 4 months & still had btb so my dr switched me to ovcon-35 which is the same hormones but its a monophasic pill. i'm starting to think that maybe my body doesnt agree with the types of hormones in estrostep & ovcon (they are the same).

Hi Allison,

Maybe you can have ur doctor switch you to a different progestin but keeping the doseage the same on a monophasic pill..

I dunno, im new to the pill so im pretty much throwing ideas in the air...
i cannot imagin what you two must be going thru, i spotted for 3 days and i was up in arms...

I hope u both feel and get better..
:wave:

stoutheart
07-27-2005, 05:04 PM
Allison,
I was thinking of you and remembered that you went away with your b/f for a few days. I'm sorry that you were bleeding.

I heard from the hematologist last Friday. That's when he said to take 3 irons and he would re-check me this week so when I see him on the 2nd, he has the results. I'm going to the lab this Friday.

I see the ob on the 4th so I will ask her about that. I only get like 10 mins with her and it's hard to remember to ask all the questions so I write them down. I have thought about switching but I changed to her 6 months ago. I probably should hang another 3 or so. If it doesn't get better, I should think about switching.

I leave for Hawaii on Aug 21st. I really don't want to go if I'm feeling crappy and have to look for a bathroom everywhere I go in case I have an accident. Not to mention I can't go swimming. I haven't mastered tampons yet. I have tried them and never have gotten the hang of them.

Allison1125
08-03-2005, 11:25 AM
hey heidi. hows it going? how did your appointment with the hemotologist go?

i finally stopped bleeding yesterday. i hope it stays like this because i dont start my new pack till sunday. i'm worried it will start again. the 1st 5 days were just terrible with the cramping & whatnot.

hope you're feeling better. give me an update when you have a chance...

-allison :wave:

stoutheart
08-03-2005, 11:46 AM
I went back to the hematologist last night. In a week my hemoglobin went from 8.5 to 9.5. I guess taking the 3 irons is helping me. He doesn't want to see me until October so I guess I won't need the iron infusion yet.

Birth Control, I'm in my first week of my 3rd pack. The ob had me go straight into the next pack. I'm still not sure that's the right thing. I see her tomorrow. I'm still bleeding. I think when I go from 35 estrogen down to 20, it tells my body it's time to have a period. So for the last 3 days it's been like period bleeding. Heavy at times with clots. I don't need this because I don't want to lose the blood.

I counted the next time that I start a new pack is 2 days before Hawaii. So I will be heavy in Hawaii. :( I can't believe it! I'm so depressed. I don't want to feel crappy when I'm there. I will ask her about an extra pill to stop it. She probably won't go for it. She just says to be patient. I have been. I'm so tired of this I could scream.

I'm glad the the Ovcon seems to be working for you. I really think I should be on a monophasic but I should give this one a few more months.

:wave:

Allison1125
08-04-2005, 12:04 AM
i'm glad to see that the iron seems to be helping you!! i too am puzzled that your gyn keeps having you go straight to the new pack. i would think that the drop in hormones would make you have a period anyways...so why not give yourself a break & then start up again? but hey...i'm not a dr. i'm curious to see what she has to say tomorrow. make sure you stress to her that you're going away...maybe then she will try to be more helpful. i give you a lot of credit for being so patient! i dont think i could do it! well...good luck at your appointment. i hope your dr can figure something out. let me know how it goes...good night :)

stoutheart
08-05-2005, 11:55 AM
Good Morning Allison,

I guess I should change the name of this thread to Yasmin. As of this morning, that's what I'm on now. I only got about 5 mins with her because she had to deliver a baby. I did manage to tell her that it gets heavy when I go from 35 of estrogen to 20. I told her that a few weeks ago in an email but didn't say anything about it. :(

She was happy that my hemoglobin was at 9.5.

Anyway, she gave me 3 months of samples and a script for 6 more months. She said that it should be ok when I go to Hawaii. I'm not holding my breath. I told her it's been a while since my husband and I have been 'together'. If I'm still spotting/bleeding and we want to have 'fun' then to take a cascade of pills. She wrote down the schedule for me. It's like 4 pills for one day 3 pills for the next 3 days, 2 pills for 3 days and then back to 1. I go back in November if I don't have any problems.

One good thing is that I'm on a monophasic again.

Have a good weekend, I'll keep you posted.

~Heidi :wave:

Allison1125
08-05-2005, 12:31 PM
hey heidi. i hope this new pill works well for you. the cascade sounds promising. hopefully you'll stop spotting by the time you go to hawaii....but if not you can at least try that. i'll keep my fingers crossed for you. let me know how you do on the yasmin. my dermatologist suggested that i go on that pill to help my acne but my gyn picked estrostep & then ovcon for me. i'm not seeing an improvement in my skin so i was considering asking my gyn to switch me to yasmin if the ovcon doesnt work out for me after a few months. i dont think you have acne to worry about but let me know if you have any unpleasant side effects. good luck to you! i think this change will be a good thing for you!! :D

Allison1125
08-15-2005, 01:05 PM
hello heidi. how are you doing on yasmin? is it getting any better for you? have you tried the cascade?

well, so much for things getting better for me! today is day 9 of my pack & guess what??? i felt a bit crampy this morning & now i just started bleeding! this is getting a bit ridiculous! i called my gyn but i got her receptionists voicemail. its so hard to get in touch with the actual dr. and to make matters worse, my boyfriend & i are going away on wednesday for a 2 days. i am getting so frustrated! our last "romantic getaway" was a wash...now this one too! i want to scream!!!

so i was hoping that my dr can tell me some way to get this to stop. was thinking about asking her about the cascade. so i'm wondering if you've tried it...if it works...how long it takes...etc.

every time i think its getting better, it just gets worse. i'm really considering stopping this nonsense all together. just doesnt seem worth it.

well, i hope things are going better for you!

stoutheart
08-15-2005, 02:10 PM
Hey Allison,
Well, I'm on my 10th day and it hasn't been too bad. Sometimes it even stops in the evenings for a little while but is there in the morning when I wake up. :( Maybe it hasn't been long enough. What do you think? Should I be worrying yet? I keep thinking that she won't get it to stop and I will need a hysterectomy. I think I'm kinda young but you never know what the doctor will do.

We leave early on Sunday morning so I will have to deal with it on the plane. I don't like using the bathroom on planes.

I have the schedule for the cascade and I'm not sure when to start it. I was trying to give my body as much time as I could taking 1 pill a day hoping it would be ok by the time I leave. It's such a lot of hormones and i'm thinking that I will get sick from it. I don't want to be sick in Hawaii. :( I guess I should trust the dr? huh? I emailed the dr on Friday about if I should start it if I'm bleeding or spotting. She hasn't responded yet.

I'm sorry Ovcon isn't working for you yet. How long have you been on it?? I know about spoiling romantic times. I don't even want to tell you how long it's been for me. It would shock you. My husband doesn't like to when it's there. Kinda grosses him out and he doesn't want to make it worse.

Hang in there!!!!! I'll write again before I leave or when the doctor emails me back. I will probably end up calling the office and talk to her asst because she is so busy. Never get to talk to her.

~Heidi

Allison1125
08-15-2005, 02:51 PM
hey heidi....thanks for getting back to me so fast! god i feel miserable!

i'm glad to see that yours has been stopping for at least a little while! sounds like you're moving in the right direction! i wouldnt worry about a hysterectomy just yet. this pill sounds promising for you. see how it goes, you know? no sense in worrying about something like that, especially when you're finally getting little breaks here & there! and if your dr does suggest it i would definitely get a 2nd opinion.

maybe you should switch to taking the pill at night if you're worried about feeling sick. i've never experienced nausea from the pill but people are always posting about taking it at night if that happens.

this is my 3rd month of ovcon. i know its not that long but i was on estrostep before that, so this has been going on since january. i just really dont think i can take it anymore. i wish my dr would call me back...though i'm sure shes gonna say the same 'ol "give it another month". i dont think i can do that. i think i'd rather just have my super painful heavy periods back...at least then i'd know that i'd only be bleeding for 6 days out of the month. i feel like i'm just wasting my $45 a month on these pills. my skin hasnt improved, i still have cramps & i bleed like 2-3 times as long! seems silly to me. i'm not a big fan of condoms but hey, at least i'd be able to have sex right? when my bf & i started dating he said he wouldnt be into having sex at a time like that. but now he says he would. i dont know if it really wouldnt bother him or if hes just getting so frustrated since this has been going on so long. i dont want to gross him out though...it can be so unpredictable. i think i'm done...if my dr doesnt suggest some miracle cure, i quit!

keep me updated...

-allison

stoutheart
08-15-2005, 03:32 PM
I don't get sick at all when I take my 1 pill in the morning. I was worried about taking 4 a day for 2 days and so on when I do the cascade.

Why don't you ask your ob about Yasmin?

I feel sorry for my husband too. I guess there's other things that we could do but you don't really feel romantic if you are all cramped up and feeling terrible.

You are leaving on Wednesday and coming back when? I'll write again before I leave......

~Heidi

Allison1125
08-15-2005, 04:01 PM
i've thought about asking about yasmin...thats what my derm recommended i try last year. but i'm kind of scared to start a new pill. i dont want to have to go through the 3 month waiting period again. and i'm worried about having nasty side effects. i dont know. how do you feel on yasmin? have you been having any adverse effects? i guess i'll see what my gyn says if she ever calls me back.

i'm leaving wednesday morning...probably coming back either late thurs night or friday morning.

ok well she just called me & now i'm freaking out! she said she wants to see me & do a sonohistogram (sp?), which she says is a vaginal sonogram & then she will insert a catheter through my cervix & inject water into my uterus to get a good picture of whats going on in there. she said that after this long this shouldnt be happening & i could have lesions on my uterus! so i have to make an appointment for 7-10 days after my next period starts...well who the heck knows when thats gonna be?! i have no idea! it hasnt been regular in months! she said she doesnt want to switch my pill till we do this procedure because it could just be a waste of time. holy cow! this is nuts! i'm trying not to freak out but this just got super scary!

she also said i could double up on pills for this btb but she doesnt recommend that because she doesnt think it works. well i think i'm gonna try it anyways so that maybe i'll stop bleeding & then i'll finish my pack sooner & can get this freakin procedure done sooner so i can stop freaking out. does anyone think this is not a good idea? oh boy...i'm starting to panic.

stoutheart
08-15-2005, 05:31 PM
I have felt ok on Yasmin. Nothing horrible yet except for some cramping and spotting/btb (knock on wood).

Ok, you are scaring me. Calm down honey. You are usually the one calming me down. At least she is trying to get to the bottom of it. Can you have this done if you are bleeding? Lesions? I have never heard of that. Maybe she thinks fibroid tumors or cysts? I had a fibroid and some small cysts but they went away.

Can I ask how old you are? If you are older (like me) which I don't think you are they can happen more often.

She thinks doubling up on pills won't work? I guess different doctors think differently. Gosh, I hope it works for me.....I'm scared too....

Worrying WILL make it worse. Boy, do I know that!! Let me know if you decide to double up and when your appt is.

~Heidi :angel:

Allison1125
08-15-2005, 08:43 PM
hi heidi,

ok i think i've calmed down a bit. i really think its just the pill. i was super regular before starting bcps. i know i've said before that estrostep & ovcon have the same 2 hormones...just different amounts. cant it just be that those particular hormones dont agree with me?

whats concerning me is that she wants to do this particular procedure. she 1st said to come in for a regular sonogram & then she was like, no wait, i want to do a sonohystogram. i havent seen much about this procedure on the web, but pretty much every comment i've seen on it was that its not very pleasant.

why wouldnt she just suggest going off the pill for a few months & then starting again? i'm trying not to worry but i've always had this fear that something would happen & i would not be able to have children. so obviously this freaks me out a bit.

i dont know if it can be done while i'm bleeding. she just said the best time to do it is 7-10 days after your period starts. she said they would be able to see any polyps or lesions. the word lesions freaks me out because thats the word the drs used when they said my moms cancer had spread to her liver. they didnt say tumors...they said lesions. so i wasnt happy to hear that. i'm 25 years old. she said its not common with people my age but it does happen. and about the doubling up...she said she doesnt recommend it because it can make you feel not so good & she said shes not sure if it really works. at this point, i dont care about a little nausea though. i just want it to stop & will try just about anything. but like you said...different drs think differently.

her secretary is supposed to call me tomorrow to set up an appointment. my sister seems to think that this is kind of drastic. she too is puzzled as to why she didnt just say to stop for a while. she thinks that i should ask for a regular sonogram 1st & then if they need to do the other one, well ok. what do you think? now i'm getting a little angry. i mean, i'm no dr but cant she just put me on something with totally different hormones as a test? i dont know. i've got so many thoughts running through my head right now. sorry this post is so long. i'll keep you updated & please do the same. if anyone else has any comments, i'm all ears.

-allison

stoutheart
08-15-2005, 09:52 PM
It's totally possible that the progestin doesn't agree with you. You had regular periods before the pill? How long ago was that? I was on one 1 pill from the time I was 18 until 32. I really never bled in that time not even a period, just some brown stuff. I was very fit, young and I guess didn't have a lining to shed. Boy is my body making up for it now. I know your body changes through the years and that's what my ob told me.

I would ask to get a regular ultrasound first. It's less evasive. That's what I had and it wasn't bad. They did it on the belly and then vaginally. That's how they saw my fibroid, cysts and saw that my lining was too thick. Then, I had the D&C to clean it out.

If you don't want to have that procedure, make an appt to just talk to her. Ask her about going off the pill for a few months or changing to a pill with a different progestin and ask her why she wants to go right to the sonohystogram. If you don't like what she says, get a 2nd opinion. I did it last year.

Try not to worry, you are still young. I know easier said than done.

I'm thinking of you........keep me updated...

~Heidi

Allison1125
08-15-2005, 10:44 PM
my periods were always so regular...pretty much every 28 days...always lasted 6 days. occasionally i would be 1-2 weeks late or 1 week early. that maybe only happened 3 times in the past 5 years. a long time ago i got into the habit of marking off the 1st day of my period in the calendar in my checkbook so i would always know when to expect it. so i can tell you every period i've had in like the last 5 years...i've got issues huh? :D so anyways...it was very regular. i started bcps for the 1st time ever in january or february. well, i took 4 packs of estrostep & i'm on my 3rd pack of ovcon. so this is very strange for me. i keep telling myself, it has to be the pills right? this never happened before.

well thank you so much heidi for all of your suggestions. i think i will request an appt just to talk to her & i'll also ask for the regular sonogram 1st. and again, i think i'll ask her about a different pill. or stopping it all together because i think i've had enough! i could see doing the sonohystogram if this was happening before starting the pill but i think it sounds a bit crazy since its only been happening since starting the pill. but again...i dont know. i'm expecting a call from her office tomorrow so i'll be sure to bring all of these things up. thanks again...i feel a lot better after your last post. i'll keep you updated.

oh & i just wanted to let you know that i took a 2nd pill tonight. i have no idea if i'm supposed to take them at the same time or space them out but i'm leaving wednesday so i thought i should get a move on it , you know? i started another post to see if anyone has some tips for me. do you know anything about that? did your dr tell you to take them all together or space tham out? i dont know what i should do in the morning. i'll definitely let you know if it works. keep your fingers crossed! :wave:

stoutheart
08-15-2005, 11:15 PM
I'm not sure if I'm supposed to take my cascade of pills at the same time or not. That was one of my questions for her when I emailed her last week. I guess she isn't going to reply. I will have to call the office tomorrow and ask one of the girls to ask her if I take all at once or throughout the day. I bet it's all at once. I hope its not dangerous to do it like that. I guess if it was, she wouldn't have me do it right????? My other question was should I do the cascade if i'm just spotting or btb'ing.

Let me know how you are doing before you leave if you can. I'll let you know what they say when they call back and check in again up until Saturday. I leave really early on Sunday morning.

~Heidi

Allison1125
08-15-2005, 11:36 PM
daisies4monkeys replied to my post about whether i should take them at the same time or not. she said you can space them out to help with nausea. i guess i'll take 1 in the morning & then 1 during the day unless i get any more tips. if you hear from you dr let me know what she says. if i were you i'd probably just give it a shot whether spotting or btb'ing. you need a break girl! but i guess if the spotting doesnt bother you, you can hold off.

i'll definitely give you updated. i'll post tomorrow & when i get back...thurs night or fri morning.

thanks again for your help. you calmed me down quite a bit! :) its been a day! i'm exhausted!! good night

stoutheart
08-16-2005, 12:03 AM
I just don't know when I should start the cascade. I guess anytime. The way she wrote it up it goes for 12 days so if I start on Wednesday I will get to the 1 pill per day on the day I get back. I would rather start it when I'm at home in case I don't feel very good.

Its pretty late where you are. I was surprised you were still online. I hope you rest well. Good night!!!

stoutheart
08-16-2005, 05:43 PM
Hi Allison!!

I emailed the doctor again this morning and she just got back to me. She said to only do the cascade if I'm having a very heavy flow. I don't think I'm having that. What do you consider a heavy flow? I just didn't want to deal with this on vacation......yuck!!!!

How are you doing with your doubling up pill??

~Heidi :)

Allison1125
08-16-2005, 07:45 PM
hey heidi. i think i would try it anyways, but that just me. if i were you, i'd be like, i need a break!! i guess i would consider it heavy when its red. because thats when mine tends to get bad. if its brown its just a pain in the neck for me, but when it turns red, thats when it gets bad.

i'm doing ok right now i think. its weird cuz every other month i got pretty bad cramps with my btb. i only had slight cramps yesterday before it started & now i feel fine. maybe thats a good sign??? i took that extra pill last night & it seemed to be extremely light. when i woke up this morning there was nothing on my panty liner. but then i had the brown stuff when i went to the bathroom. i'll take another pill in about an hour cuz thats when i took it last night. the 2nd pill didnt make me feel any diffrently, so that was a plus!

i just told my bf about what the dr said & i got all emotional. i'm nervous. he thinks i should get it done. but he also said maybe i should go in & talk with the dr 1st. he said he'd go with me so that made me feel better.

well, i have to go out to dinner. i'll give an update later tonight or early tomorrow morning. i really hope this doubling up works!!!

stoutheart
08-16-2005, 08:31 PM
Hey,
Hope you had a good dinner. I sounds like you will be ok for your romantic getaway. Have a great time if I don't talk to you before you leave. Let me know how things went on Friday.

Well, mine is always red. It's never brown. She said I would get a little nauseous if I did the cascade, but said that it's better than flowing heavy. I'm just trying to determine what's what. I mean, when I use the bathroom its kinda stringy red. It usually doesn't go onto my pad except for a few drops during the entire day so I really don't know what to call that. I will talk it over with the hubby tonight.

I'm really glad your b/f is willing to go with you. That's really nice. Hang on to him. He sounds like a good one. I have a good one too. Wouldn't give him up for the world. If he can stay with me through times like these, then he's a keeper.

I just get sad sometimes because I know he wants to be a father and I would love to give that to him. I just can't. I don't know what's wrong with me. I have only been on this pill for 1 1/2 weeks. Maybe I'm expecting too much too soon. I don't know. Now, I'm confused on what to do about this whole cascade thing. I wish she would have just told me to do it. I will feel much better but she said to only do it if I'm having a 'very heavy flow' is how she put it.

I'm going to relax for a little while. I just got home from work and I'm usually a little stressed for a bit.

Talk to you later,
~Heidi

Allison1125
08-17-2005, 01:36 AM
hey heidi,

well, i went tampon-less tonight...just to see what would happen (so for about the last 5 hours). and when i got home there was nothing. i'm not jumping for joy just yet. its bound to come back. my bleeding tends to slow down at night normally so i dont if its just that or if the doubling up is working. i guess i'll just have to see what tomorrow holds for me.

well i think it sounds like you're not super heavy right now. but i think you should do whatever gives you peace of mind. what did your husband have to say about it? i asked my dr if there was anything i could do & she said no & then she said, well, you could double up, but i dont know, etc. i was just looking for an ok to do something so i jumped on that. hey if it doesnt work...whatever. i'll get to the bottom of this sooner or later right?

my bf is just super...i'm not letting him get away! i feel really bad sometimes because we have only been together for a year & this is supposed to be our fun time...you know? but he has been very understanding & he seems concerned. your husband sounds like a saint! this would probably put a strain on anyones relationship but from what you say, he seems to be supportive & understanding. thats great! not many men like that left out there! ;)

so how do you feel about yasmin so far? do you think the bleeding has slowed down at all? i'm sure a week & a 1/2 is too soon to tell how its going to be but it sounds like its not too bad right now. have you had your iron checked since the beginning of the month?

well, i'm gonna get to bed. i'll check in in the a.m...let you know how my morning goes.

g'nite
-allison :wave:

stoutheart
08-17-2005, 12:03 PM
Well, you should be off on your trip today. I'm glad it has stopped for you.

I just emailed the doctor again. I have been thinking about doing it, then don't do it. I'm torn. I hate that. I have to make a decision. My husband thought that all those hormones could send me farther off on my hormone imbalance so I asked the doctor. I just wished she would say, ok. Maybe I should have asked her about taking 2 a day?

The Yasmin is fine. I don't have any side effects except for the bleeding but I don't think it's the Yasmin doing that. The doctor keeps saying that I have a hormone imbalance.

The bleeding hasn't been to bad at all. It just doesn't stop for any length of time. I dont' get my iron checked until October.

Have a great time on your getaway.

~Heidi :wave:

Allison1125
08-17-2005, 12:28 PM
good morning. well i was fine last night but its back again this morning...brown again. my stomach feels a little weird as well...cant tell if its cramps or just a stomach ache. its not that bad though...took some advil. i'll take another pill later. hopefully it ill stop by tonight again.

but now i'm confused. i dont know what to do if it does stop from doubling up...or doesnt. how long do i keep taking 2 pills? if it stops, do i got right down to 1 again? will it come back from the drop in hormones? i'm thinking maybe i'll keep doing this till tomorrow or friday, but i dont know. what do you think?

the drs secretary still has not called to set up an appointment. i think if i dont hear from her by this afternoon, i'll give them a call.

i'll be leaving around 1 or 2 today. how long are you going away again? i forgot.

i'll check in later...bye :wave:

Allison1125
08-17-2005, 12:43 PM
speak of the devil...she just called to set up my appointment. i said, actually, i'd kind of like to speak with the dr again about this before i make an appointment. she sounded a bit annoyed & said that she doesnt know when she'll be able to get back to me...maybe a day or 2. but she'll give her the message. ggrrrrrr.....why do drs have to be so hard to reach?!

stoutheart
08-17-2005, 12:43 PM
Gosh, I wish mine was brown. That would give me some hope. I just heard back from the doctor. I guess she's not happy that I have emailed her yesterday and today. I try to not do that but I'm leaving soon. I also have to limit my questions to 2. I had 3 and she didn't even answer the last one. I have asked that twice now. Should I take the pills for the cascade all at once. I still don't know! She said that the cascade will throw off my hormones for about a month so I have to decide if it's worth it. :(

I would keep doubling up until you get back. You might have some bleeding from the drop but if you have a 'romantic' time with you bf than it was worth it. Remember that you will be running out of pills sooner by taking 2 a day. My insurance only covers 1 pack every 3 weeks. If it's sooner, than they don't pay and I have to pay full price which is expensive.

I'll be gone from Aug 21st to the 28th. I'm really not looking forward to going. I know that sounds wrong but the 'not knowing what's going to happen' scares me.

Have fun!!!

Allison1125
08-17-2005, 02:15 PM
well i'm off. it seems to be getting heavier as the day goes on...oh well. i'll update when i get back. sorry your dr is not being very helpful. talk to you soon! :wave:

Allison1125
08-19-2005, 11:55 AM
hey heidi!

hows it going? did you decide to try the cascade?

well, i stopped doubling up. i did it till wed night...then yesterday i went back to taking 1 pill/day. i was still bleeding wed night...light but it was still there. there was nothing when i woke up yesterday & today but then about an hour after i get up it comes back. its annoying.

my dr called me back on wed afternoon. i asked her if this sonohystogram was really necessary since A-this never happened before the pill & B-couldnt it just be the particular hormones causing this. she said there are 3 things we can do...the sonohystogram (which she thinks is best), a regular sonogram & a complete exam, or keep taking this pill for another 2 months & see what happens. i didnt like options 1 & 3, so she said she'll agree to do the regular sonogram & exam, but depending on how that goes, i still might have to have the sonohystogram. :(

she said to schedule it for the end of my placebo week so i have to call today to do that. now here is where i have a little confusion. i doubled up for 3 days. now i've been told that you have to take the full 21 days of pills for it to be effective. but what if i'm not using it for birth control. can i just finish this pack & go on from there? i only had sex once during the 1st week of this pack...and the rest of the month is shot b/c my bf has a nasty case of poison sumac all over his arms & legs so hes off limits (just my luck...guess i didnt have to double up after all), & then i'm off limits for my placebo week b/c well, for 1, i'll probably be bleeding the whole time & also, my dr told me not to have sex for 7 days prior to my appointment. FUN! so should i take 3 pills out of a new pack or just forget about it? i dont know...

well let me know how you're doing...hope all is well :wave:

stoutheart
08-19-2005, 01:18 PM
Hello,
Well, I had decided not to do it. She said that all the hormones could send me way off schedule. Now, I'm scared to try it.

It's been pretty bad this morning. Now I want to do it. I wish I could decide. I'll have to see how I do today and if it's still heavy, maybe I will try it tomorrow.

I'm not sure what you should do about your pills. That's a confusing one. Maybe post a thread and see what answers you get.

~Heidi

Daisies4monkeys
08-19-2005, 01:22 PM
Allison, so as not to mess with your cycle, take extra pills from a spare pack and label that as "extras". That way if you ever need them, they're there. :)

Allison1125
08-19-2005, 06:46 PM
thanks daisies. thats a good idea. i guess it would be better to do that. i really dont want to switch from starting on sundays. i think i'll only ask for 1 pack though till my appointment...just in case my gyn switches me again.

sorry to hear you're not doing so well today heidi. :( how bad is it?

well, i called and made an appointment today. i go on sept 2nd in the a.m. will she tell me the results of the sonogram right away? i mean...they can see if something is there, so they wouldnt have to make me freak out over the holiday weekend right? well, either way, i have a regular exam with her right after so i guess i'll know something when i leave. getting worried...now i have 2 weeks to freak out...hooray!!

heidi...you said you had a sonogram (on the belly & vaginally) before right? is it easy? anything i should know? the vaginal part kinda freaks me out!

stoutheart
08-19-2005, 07:04 PM
It's slowed down a bit but hasn't stopped. Probably won't. I had some clotting this morning and I don't like that. :( Scares me.

When I had my sonogram they sent me to a imaging center to do it. They don't tell you anything. I had to wait a few days to get my results from my doctor. Sucks that they can't tell you anything. They are only techs.

The sonogram on the belly is just like when you are pregnant. You have to drink lots of water before and hold it. They put cold jelly on your belly and move it around and take pictures in a dark room. Then they let you empty your bladder and then do the vaginal one. Its just a long wand that they insert and take some more pictures. It's not really that bad. Waiting for the results is the hard part.

Allison1125
08-19-2005, 11:15 PM
sorry that you're having clotting...i hate that too, but i guess its normal. do you normally get that with your periods?

i guess you're not going to try the cascade huh? might be better not to right now since you dont know how it would make you feel. have you tried tampons lately? i had a bit of a hard time when i 1st started using them but now i hate to use pads! i also saw something in the drugstore one day...its not a tampon or a pad...its more like a cup that you insert & i guess its supposed to just "catch" everything. i've never tried it, but you might want to look into that before you leave.

they're doing my sonogram right in my gyns office. do you think that since its done there she might be able to tell me right away? i know shes not the actual one doing it. she didnt tell me that i had to drink water. maybe i'll give them a call a couple of days before to see if i have to do anything special. all she said was to not have sex for 7 days...but that was when she was talking about the sonohystogram. do you think that goes for the regular sonogram as well? i hate this!!

stoutheart
08-20-2005, 12:44 PM
Hi Allison,
Yes, I have been getting clots for the last 2 year. No, I haven't tried tampons. I was thinking of putting one in this morning because the morning is usually the heaviest. We will be traveling tomorrow morning so it should be fun. I really don't want to go. I just don't think I will have a good time worrying about this.

I have heard of that cup before. I just don't like the thought of something up there.

If the sonogram is done in the office, they may tell you right away. As soon as they develop the pictures. They didn't tell me not to have sex within 7 days.

I'm not sure if I will have time to check in again but just in case I don't......

Aloha

Allison1125
08-21-2005, 12:24 AM
hope you have a nice time heidi. try not to let it get to you too much...worrying probably just makes it worse, you know? give me an update when you get back...hopefully you'll have some good news! try to relax a little...you need it!!!

stoutheart
08-29-2005, 03:06 PM
Hi Allison,
Well, I'm back. Very tired but back. Sorry to report, no good news yet. Before I left I had some flow and clotting. On the day we left had it too and throughout my vacation. I decided not to do the cascade.

How are you doing on the Ovcon?

Heidi

Allison1125
08-30-2005, 01:01 AM
hey heidi! welcome back! :wave:

i'm so sorry to hear that it hasnt gotten any better for you. i guess its good though that you didnt try the cascade...you really dont know if it would have made it better...heck it could have made it worse! its so horrible how unpredictable this can be! when was the last time you took a week off? think that maybe if you take a break your bleeding might stop?

well i had kind of a bad week. i have been so tired...dont know if its from the bleeding or not but i feel so run down. i changed my appointment from this friday to this wednesday because i didnt want to buy another pack of ovcon just to take 3 pills from it to make up for the days i doubled up. so i ended my active pills this past wednesday instead of saturday. i know in a birth control sense thats a no-no, but i figured, i havent had sex in like 3 weeks because of the bleeding so i should be fine. the bleeding was steady until the 1st day of my placebos...then all hell broke loose! i was doubling up on tampons & pads & i still managed to ruin 3 pairs of underwear in 1 day. it was crazy! the last time i had such heavy bleeding was during my 1st month on bcps. so it stayed pretty heavy till saturday. sunday was my 1st day with nothing. at least i shouldnt have to worry about bleeding for my appointment...i was starting to freak out.

after mentioning those cups to you, i got curious, so i bought this kind called instead. i was a bit intimidated at 1st...these things are huge!! but i used my 1st one on one of those heavy days & it was fabulous! i actually thought the bleeding had stopped because when i use tampons i always get a little bit of spotting when i go to the bathroom & with this i had nothing. and i read on the website that you can have sex while wearing them, though i didnt have a chance to try it. thought it might be good for you though i know you're not into using things like that...might be worth a shot though. ;)

well i guess thats it for now. i'm getting a little nervous about my appointment. i wonder what shes going to say. i went to my regular dr last week for a respiratory infection & i explained all of this to her & she sounded kind of concerned, which made me feel uneasy. but then she said that maybe i'm just one of those people who cant tolerate the pill. i dont know. tomorrows gonna be a long day! i just want to get this over with.

gonna get to bed. let me know how you're doing. :wave:

stoutheart
08-30-2005, 12:20 PM
Hi Allison,
I haven't had a week off of the pills in some time. The doctor wants me to keep going pack to pack. I want to email her to let her know I'm still spotting, but I don't want her to get mad. I have been on Yasmin for 3 1/2 weeks. Not enough time to worry?? Who am I trying to fool. I'm worrying all of the time. It's so hard not to. Gosh!!

Wow sounds like you had a heavy period. At least it stopped. You might want to have your blood level checked. You might be getting anemic. I am. I take iron.

I have heard of those Instead cups too. Kinda scared to try them.

You are probably at your appointment now. Let me know how it went.

Heidi

Allison1125
08-30-2005, 07:23 PM
hi again. you should probably e-mail your dr...dont worry about making her mad. shes supposed to be there to answer your questions. i dont really understand why she makes you jump right into the next pack all the time. i think taking a break might be a good thing...maybe it would kick this non stop cycle you've been in. i guess she has her reasons though.

my appointment wasnt today...its tomorrow morning. eek! wish i didnt have to go. :(

i've been feeling like i have a bit more energy the past couple of days as opposed to last week...still dont feel completely like myself though. i'll mention it to her tomorrow. my other dr told me to give it a couple of weeks & if i still feel crappy, to go & have my blood checked.

well i hope you're doing well today. i'm gonna try to relax tonight...yeah right! i'll let you know how it goes tomorrow.

take care :wave:

Allison1125
08-31-2005, 03:11 PM
hi heidi. well i went to my gyn today. she looked at the sonogram pictures & said that the lining of my uterus didnt look too bad...whatever that means. so i had my exam & she said everything looked fine...hooray! i can finally stop worrying now! she said that pills are probably not good for me...that my body might not be absorbing them properly. so she suggested that i try a different route - either the patch or the ring. i've read a lot of horror stories about the patch so i went with the nuvaring. she told me that she had problems with btb on the pill & she now uses the ring herself & loves it. so i'll give it a shot. i only have to worry about it once a month & she seems to think that absorbing the hormones vaginally will be better for me. i'm a little concerned about my boyfriend being able to feel it but they say you can take it out for up to 3 hours at a time so i guess i'll test it out & if he doesnt like it at least i know i can remove it for a little while. oh i hope this works! i'll let you know how it goes. :wave:

stoutheart
08-31-2005, 06:00 PM
Sounds great. The ring will be good for you. You don't have a problems with things up there. I don't know if that would be ok for me. If I end up having to go that route, then I will just have to deal with it. I wonder how big it is? Let me know. When can you start it???

Allison1125
09-01-2005, 10:29 PM
hi heidi. i'm hoping that the ring will work for me! keeping my fingers crossed. i've read that it has less hormones than a pill so that makes me happy. and i'm praying that since the hormones are different than the ones in both estrostep & ovcon that maybe my body will accept these better. its actually kinda cool. its not nearly as large as the instead cups but very similar. i'm thinking that the diameter is probably just slightly larger than that of a condom. but to insert it you pinch the sides together so its really quite tiny...way smaller than a tampon. its very smooth and was easy to insert. i put it in yesterday...technically i would have started my new pills today, but since i screwed up my cycle last month i figured it wouldnt hurt to put it in one day ahead of time. i havent had any problems so far...dont even know its there. i had some fun time with my bf this morning & i didnt feel it at all...he said he didnt either. if it becomes an issue, i'll just take it out at times like that, but so far so good! :) trying not to get my hopes up too high though...i'm sure i'm bound to have btb (just my luck)...i hate switching & not knowing whats to come!

so how has your bleeding been? have you noticed an changes between yasmin & the other 2 pills you took? you're probably ready to start your 2nd pack soon right? did you ever e-mail your dr?

good night :wave:

stoutheart
09-02-2005, 11:46 AM
I'm glad you were able to have some fun time. Well, my bleeding has been clotty at times and I have a terrible backache and cramps this morning.

Its hard to say if I have any changes from Yasmin and the other 2 pills. The bleeding patterns are all over the place. No kind of cycle. So frustrated. :(

I'm 1 week into my 2nd pack. No, I haven't emailed her. I don't know what to tell her. She will say to hang in there. I might this morning. It's so hard to be happy when you feel horrible. Not knowing what your body is doing and if it will EVER get better. This has been going for so long, I don't know what to think anymore.

Allison1125
09-02-2005, 05:32 PM
i think if i were you i'd give the dr a call...or send an e-mail. how many months has this been for you? did your dr ever suggest a sonogram to see what was going on in there? i'm having trouble remembering...were you bleeding before starting the pill? is that why you started again? i'm not sure how long this has been for you...i think its probably about how long i've been having this problem. when was the last time your gyn saw you? have you considered maybe seeing another dr for another opinion? not that you have to switch, but maybe another dr has had more experience with this situation & can say - oh i saw this before...lets try this. just a thought. i think that if i was in your boat, i'd definitely have at least a consultation with someone else.

stoutheart
09-02-2005, 06:21 PM
I sent her an email this morning but she never responded. I have been like this (on and off) since October. I last saw her on Aug 4th when I started the Yasmin. I have only been on this pill for 1 month. I guess should I give it more time??? She gave me samples for another 3 months.

I see her again in November. I was thinking about making another appt this month to just talk to her.

Maybe this is my period. I had lots of clotting this time last month when I was still on Estrostep. Since then it has been mainly spotting.

I had been with a male doctor up until last year when I switched to her for a second opinion. I have been with her since last October. There aren't alot of female doctors where I live so I was hoping she would be good for me.

How is the ring?

Allison1125
09-06-2005, 10:52 PM
hey heidi! sorry i havent checked in for a while. how are you doing? did your dr get back to you yet?

you had mentioned that maybe the clotting was your period...if you're taking it continuously though shouldnt you technically not get a period? maybe its just your body adjusting to the new pill after taking the tri-phasic with no breaks.

so far i'm having no problems with the ring...except i think my skin might be getting worse and that freaks me out because my brothers wedding is in less than a month & i really dont want my skin to look horrible! i'll see how it goes for the next week before i decide if i should see my dermatologist. my bf still says he doesnt even know its there, so thats good. we decided that if this doesnt work i'll quit trying. we're both concerned about the side effects & what this is doing to me.

so tomorrow is the dreaded day 8! i'm a little nervous. my breasts are slightly sore & that worries me. i really hope this different route will work, but i'm not feeling very optimistic as i'm sure you can understand!

hope all is well. i'll keep you updated... :)

stoutheart
09-07-2005, 11:51 AM
Hi Allison,
No, the doctor never responded to my email from last Friday. Yes, I shouldn't be getting a period if I'm taking continuously, but it could be it's because my hormones are whacked.

I'm not sure what to do next. Should I continue with this pill (been 1 month now) or make an appt to see her and tell her how I'm feeling. I'm also going to make an appt with a counselor to see if talking will help me feel any better. I don't know what to do anymore. I'm so stressed about it. :(

I'm glad you are getting a break with the ring. ;) That's great!!

I'll keep you updated......

~Heidi

Allison1125
09-07-2005, 11:13 PM
hey heidi,

i'll bet that if you make an appointment with your dr she will probably say the same 'ol "give it 3 months" that we all love to hear so much. but on the other hand, i think that you need to sit down with her & discuss this. i'm sure she wouldnt be very happy if she was bleeding for as long as you have been. she has to understand that this is a big issue for you. maybe then she would feel a push to investigate this further or consult with another dr for suggestions. has she said anything about getting your hormone levels tested? maybe its something that can be fixed if they know exactly what they are dealing with. i think counseling might be a good idea. not that it will change you situation, but i know that talking about it helps. thats why i love this board so much. and if something is stressing you out, the best thing to do is talk about it. and hey...maybe relieving some of this stress will help the situation!

i dont know if i would call this a break necessarily...i always have no bleeding from day 1-7. now is where i'm freaking out. today is day 8. the bleeding usually starts around 10am-noon, but i used to take my pill at 8am & when i started the ring i put it in in the late afternoon. well so far, theres nothing but i think i feel it coming. i dont know if its just all in my head or not though. this drives me crazy. my chest is sore, but not as bad as usual. i hate this waiting. this time of the month stresses me out so bad! i think though that if it does start i'm just going to take the ring out & forget about it. i dont feel like doing this 3 month trial business anymore. i hate not knowing whats to come. and with the wedding coming up i dont want to make anything worse. i can always just take a few months of being normal & do a 3 month trial later. but i'm getting ahead of myself here...not bleeding yet! i'll keep you posted...

stoutheart
09-08-2005, 12:10 PM
she has always said that I have a hormone imbalace but have never checked my hormones. I had the hematologist check my tyroid in his tests so I know that's ok. I'm having my blood levels checked again when I go back to him next month. Maybe I can ask her if I can 'add' a few more tests to that form. They are already taking some so what's a little more....

I bet you will not start bleeding again. I have a good feeling about it. ;)

Allison1125
09-10-2005, 01:44 AM
i dont see why they couldnt add a few tests. i would request it...so at least you have a better feel for whats going on.

i'm glad one of us is having a good feeling about me & the ring! :) my skin has gone absolutely nuts! i'm very upset about this. but on the bright side...i've conquered day 10...still no bleeding...YET!

Allison1125
09-16-2005, 03:38 PM
hey heidi,

just wanted to see how you were doing with yasmin. any breaks in the bleeding?

as for me...so far so good with the ring! i'm up to day 17 and still no btb at all! :) i'm scheduled to take it out in 5 days. i'll let you know if i make it till the end with no btb.

hope all is well!

stoutheart
09-16-2005, 04:41 PM
Hey Allison,
No, no breaks yet. :(. I can't tell you how frustrated I am right now!!!! I emailed the doctor on Wednesday and she didn't get back to me. I'm thinking of getting another opinion and then make an appointment with her to talk to her if she doesn't want to reply to my email. I told her that it's still the same (spot/btb) and if we should do another month and then asked her if there was a way to actually check my hormones through blood.

Good job on the ring. I might ask her about it. I might be the same way as you that I can't take the pill. When I was younger, I was on the same pill for 15 years. I know your body changes but come on....this is getting ridiculous.

~Heidi

Allison1125
09-17-2005, 10:17 AM
hey heidi,

i'm sorry your dr hasnt been in touch. thats terrible. i can imagine how frustrated you must be. i think you're on the right track...i would make an appt with her & i would also get another opinion.

you should ask about the whole not being able to take the pill theory. i cant believe how much better the ring is for me! i know you dont like the idea of putting things up there but its really not bad. also ask about the patch because that was the other choice my dr gave me.

what pill were you on for 15 years? did you try that one again?

how many packs of yasmin have you used so far?

take care,
allison :)

stoutheart
09-17-2005, 12:18 PM
I was on Ortho Novum for 15 years. I tried that with the other dr last year. I might ask about the patch but I've heard about blood clots with that and it not sticking very good. I'll mention the ring too. I'm not due to see her until Nov 4th. So I might make an appt for early Oct.

I just started my 3rd pack of Yasmin.

Allison1125
09-21-2005, 05:55 PM
hey heidi,

well...I MADE IT!!! :bouncing: i took my 1st ring out this afternoon. no spotting or btb at all for those 3 weeks! i didnt think it was possible! just wanted to let you know that it can change. now if i could only do something about this acne...

have you decided if you will be moving your appointment up? i saw in your other thread that your dr still has not responded! have you tried calling? well i hope things are getting better for you. and if not, talk to your dr about the patch or the ring...see what she says. i cant believe how this switch immediately fixed my problem!

take care,
allison :wave:

stoutheart
09-21-2005, 06:10 PM
Allison,
I'm glad the ring works for you. No, she hasn't responded yet. If I call I will only get her nurse and I will have to leave a message for her to ask the doctor and then the nurse will get back to me. When I call or email I really feel like I'm bothering her but I just need some reassurance from her that everything is going to be ok. I just hope she has another plan for me other than a surgery to take it out. I haven't really seen an improvement with this pill either. I mean its always there light, heavy, lighter. I go back to the hematologist in a few weeks so I hope my blood level is not really low.

I haven't decided if I'm going to make another appointment. She will say it hasn't been long enough. I have taken 48 pills so I am about 1 1/2 months through. They say wait 3 months. I'm really depressed... :(

~Heidi

pickle
09-25-2005, 06:33 PM
I believe you guys are bleeding through these pills when you're not suppose to because the estrogen is too strong. I was on the shot (Depo), and I bleed for three months, then switched to another pill, I don't remember the name now but I was on my period for 2 weeks and bled heavily the entire time so switched again. This last pill I was on was lo-ovral and my period flow was awesome but apparently I was overdosing on it. I had severe backache causing nausea and have thrown up, headaches, constipating, painful breathing, and severe body ache. So today I starting the nuvaring stuff. I've heard nothing but good things about it.

pickle
09-29-2005, 07:08 PM
I was thinking and obviously you're suffering on purpose because you wouldn't be on this pill for this long if it were being this much of an *** for you. I see that you've been trying to get a hold of your doctor but if you can't then maybe you need a new doctor because they obviously aren't good doctor's if they won't return your call. Get a new doctor.

stoutheart
09-29-2005, 07:39 PM
Pickle, I'm not sure I understood your last message. I called the office and they said to have a blood test to check where my hemoglobin levels are and once those results are in then she will decide if I need to continue this pill for the 3 months or do something else.

Allison1125
10-09-2005, 11:34 AM
hey heidi,

just checkin in to see how you're doing. did you switch your appointment? has your bleeding stopped? give me an update when you get a chance...

hope all is well...





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