geminilady
07-07-2005, 10:00 AM
OK, this is my second cycle off the pill. Ovulation software thinks I O'd REALLY early (CD7), which I may have. I had had Ovulation software switch to temp only (instead of temp and CM calculations) for this cycle because it wasnt detecting O otherwise. Well here is the problem. I got a triphasic message this morning and then after I entered my signs and went pee I SWEAR I have EWCM. Can anyone give me their opinion on this? I am so confused by this cycle I am just assuming it is lost and AF will show around my normal 27-28 day time. I am not a beggar, but PLEASE help! Chart is below: (Added todays temp 7/10)
CD1: N/A
2: NA
3: n/a
4: n/a
5: 97.3 n/a
6: 97.6 sticky
7: 97.7 creamy
9: n/a creamy
10: 98.2 n/a (disregarded by "rule of thumb")
11: 98.0 creamy
12: 98.1 creamy
13: 98.0 sticky
14: 98.1 creamy (possible O)
15: 98.3 sticky
16: 98.6 dry
17: 98.5 dry
18: 98.4 EWCM
19: 98.4 creamy(- HPT)
20: 98.5 sticky
21: 98.6 sticky
CD1: N/A
2: NA
3: n/a
4: n/a
5: 97.3 n/a
6: 97.6 sticky
7: 97.7 creamy
9: n/a creamy
10: 98.2 n/a (disregarded by "rule of thumb")
11: 98.0 creamy
12: 98.1 creamy
13: 98.0 sticky
14: 98.1 creamy (possible O)
15: 98.3 sticky
16: 98.6 dry
17: 98.5 dry
18: 98.4 EWCM
19: 98.4 creamy(- HPT)
20: 98.5 sticky
21: 98.6 sticky
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tglenn
07-07-2005, 01:06 PM
I can't really help you to figure out when you ovulated b/c I'm just as confused as you are with your results...my question for you is have you been bd'ing regularily! The only reason I ask is b/c if you can't pinpoint exact ovulation using the different methods maybe with regular bd'ing you'll catch it anyways without even knowing you did! Day 7 ovulation would be OK but day 18 ovuation with a cycle of 27-28 days would not be good. They say you need at least a 12 day luteal phase and ovulation on day 18 would only give you 9-10 days. Are you using OPK by chance?
geminilady
07-07-2005, 01:24 PM
No OPK, going to try it next cycle if I "missed" my eggie. It was suggested to me that I amy have beeen annov last cycle (Iwasnt charting) and early O would be normal if that was the case. As for BD...CDs 3,6,7,8,9,11,14,15,17. Before my DS I used to have a pretty regular cycle, 27-28 days with O on CD 12-14. The pill has killed me.
DDB
07-07-2005, 01:35 PM
Based on your temperatures, ovulation on day 7 does seem likely. Your coverline would have likely been drawn around 97.9 and all your temps after that have been above it. If you wait a few days, you will have a better idea, because if your temps don't go up again after the second possible ovulation on day 18 then you probably did not ovulate on day 18 and you can be more sure about the day 7 ovulation. I wonder if maybe just coming of the pill could affect your CM so that you may not yet have EWCM before you ovulate since your body hasn't regulated yet? Not sure. Also, is it possible that what you thought was EWCM on day 18 could have been leftover semen from when you BD'd on day 17? I can look very similar. Just a thought.
Good luck!
Good luck!
geminilady
07-07-2005, 03:56 PM
DDB- That is exactly my coverline. How do you figure that out? I need a comp program to do it for me. LOL. It could have been semen. I didn't put it into a cup of water to see if it sank or not. It was stretchy and clear but brok after less than an inch.
weepyone
07-07-2005, 05:22 PM
what do you mean about putting cm in a glass of water with regards to it sinking or not? I have never heard of this what is it meant to mean?
geminilady
07-07-2005, 05:25 PM
what do you mean about putting cm in a glass of water with regards to it sinking or not? I have never heard of this what is it meant to mean?
Egg White Verses Semen
It can be difficult to distinguish between the two. Here is how to tell apart...
1. Egg White will ball up and sink in Water and will remain stretchy when retrieved. Semen will float and dissolve.
2. Egg White will stretch repeatedly. Semen may stretch once or twice, but not for much longer.
3. Egg White is very shiny, and clear or slightly opaque. Semen is less shiny and creamy.
4. Egg White will stretch to form several thin strands. Semen will stretch with just one strand.
Egg White Verses Semen
It can be difficult to distinguish between the two. Here is how to tell apart...
1. Egg White will ball up and sink in Water and will remain stretchy when retrieved. Semen will float and dissolve.
2. Egg White will stretch repeatedly. Semen may stretch once or twice, but not for much longer.
3. Egg White is very shiny, and clear or slightly opaque. Semen is less shiny and creamy.
4. Egg White will stretch to form several thin strands. Semen will stretch with just one strand.
weepyone
07-07-2005, 05:31 PM
thanks for that may try it i know this may be tmi for some but after all that bd'ing not sure if i am having cm or it is semen, so this test may help me, especially because although feel bloated have had no o pain or obvious cm this month and now cd 11 and should o at latest on cd14. thanks for your help.
confuzeled
07-08-2005, 05:15 AM
CD 7 is proably too early to ovulate. Just basic biology. You need a certain amount of days for follicular development. It probably put your ovulation date at CD 7 because you had a sustained shift above your previous 6 temps.
I use software online and on my PC. You might want to check your calculation preferences and make it temp and cm and recalculate. If it has anything funny like "no further prompting" or whatever it says, change it to regular temp and cm. It probably stopped looking for ovulation.
Also, once you see ovulation with temping and CM drying up, stop charting your CM. It only messes up your chart and might take away your ovulation date. Sometimes when you get your secondary estrogen surge in your luteal phase, you can get creamy cm. That can mess up your chart with programs as they are always recalculating with new data. On the other hand, if your temp goes back down below the CL, start charting again.
I see your CL as 98.2, maybe. Do you have a set of temps on your chart that's totally clear, no marks? Your CL is just a visual reminder anyway.
You don't necessarily ovulte on CD 14. How long have you been charting? Anything to go by? If you've got ewcm, get busy BDing. That's a sign of being fertile. Once you do O, your CM will dry up.
Time your Bding to your fertile fluid days. It's the best for sperm survival.
Good luck!
I use software online and on my PC. You might want to check your calculation preferences and make it temp and cm and recalculate. If it has anything funny like "no further prompting" or whatever it says, change it to regular temp and cm. It probably stopped looking for ovulation.
Also, once you see ovulation with temping and CM drying up, stop charting your CM. It only messes up your chart and might take away your ovulation date. Sometimes when you get your secondary estrogen surge in your luteal phase, you can get creamy cm. That can mess up your chart with programs as they are always recalculating with new data. On the other hand, if your temp goes back down below the CL, start charting again.
I see your CL as 98.2, maybe. Do you have a set of temps on your chart that's totally clear, no marks? Your CL is just a visual reminder anyway.
You don't necessarily ovulte on CD 14. How long have you been charting? Anything to go by? If you've got ewcm, get busy BDing. That's a sign of being fertile. Once you do O, your CM will dry up.
Time your Bding to your fertile fluid days. It's the best for sperm survival.
Good luck!
DDB
07-08-2005, 09:36 AM
geminilady - your coverline is drawn 0.1 degrees above the highest temperature for the previous 6 days. After I think I have ovulated, I wait a couple days to make sure my temp stays up and then I look back at the 6 temps prior to ovulation and draw the coverline .1 degree above the highest.
Ovulating on day 7 may not be too early given that it is only your second month off the pill and you may not have even ovulated your first month (do you know whether you did?).
Did your temps go up again after the second possible ovulation date? That would be a good indication of when you ovulated.
Let us know!
Ovulating on day 7 may not be too early given that it is only your second month off the pill and you may not have even ovulated your first month (do you know whether you did?).
Did your temps go up again after the second possible ovulation date? That would be a good indication of when you ovulated.
Let us know!
geminilady
07-08-2005, 09:44 AM
Confuzeled-I charted with my DS. So I have charted on and off since late 2001. I think I was annov last month due to the pill, so I could have had a perfectly developed folly. I am going to go check my settings and see what happens.
confuzeled
07-08-2005, 01:09 PM
Did it change with checking your settings?
I meant how long have you been charting this time. Sometimes it takes a while for CM to catch up after you go off BCP.
I'd look at your CM more for your returning fertility rather than you temp. Your CM is tied to estrogen production. More estrogen, more fertile fluid. Estrogen is tied to follicular development too. Once your estrogen reaches it's threshold for your body, you'll have an LH surge and hopefully you'll ovulate. You can have more than one surge and patches of fertile fluid after BCP.
I meant how long have you been charting this time. Sometimes it takes a while for CM to catch up after you go off BCP.
I'd look at your CM more for your returning fertility rather than you temp. Your CM is tied to estrogen production. More estrogen, more fertile fluid. Estrogen is tied to follicular development too. Once your estrogen reaches it's threshold for your body, you'll have an LH surge and hopefully you'll ovulate. You can have more than one surge and patches of fertile fluid after BCP.
geminilady
07-08-2005, 01:22 PM
So I fooled with my settings and the O date is still the same. DARN. On the brighter side, if I did O on CD7 we NAILED that eggie. I have had 3 cycles with this round of charting, 1st was on bcp-no tempimg, second was first cycle off it but I did not temp, I just used software to keep track of AF, and this is the third time but my first full on chart. CONFUZELED-I love your name....that is how I feel about this cycle. LMAO.
confuzeled
07-09-2005, 03:17 AM
CONFUZELED-I love your name....that is how I feel about this cycle. thanks! :D That's how I feel most of the time about my body right now.
Good luck to you!
Good luck to you!
geminilady
07-10-2005, 10:19 AM
So it was suggested to me to remove my AF temps from my chart since they don't matter much anyway. Well doing that was a saving grace. Software changed my O to cd14 and my coverline went up to 98.2. I changed the info in my OP so you can look if youwant. Does this make more sense? :confused: