tropicalfreeze2
07-11-2005, 02:27 AM
I am curious about peoples view on designated smoking areas. Are they fair, do they really do any good in crowded areas where smoke spreads anyways? Why should we be restricted to areas we can smoke when we are outside? Are they inconvient? How do you feel about these issues?
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young momma
07-11-2005, 02:40 AM
If you look around most non-smoking areas, there are still butts laying on the ground! Well, unless someone gets paid to pick them up on a regular basis. Some areas I agree with it. Some places also have ventilation systems in the smoking sections. Outside though, I think that is stupid. I went on a trip to the zoo with my son a couple months back. Nobody was smoking anywhere. I still did. I don't throw my butt on the ground. I try to pick up after myself. I know what it is like to pick up after people! Kids!! lol!! I guess some people don't pay any attention to what they do with them though. My sister lives out in WA. She said you can't even smoke in the bars out there. How stupid is that? You go in a bar, you kinda expect for people to be smoking. I don't know. I have never really been a non-smoker though.
Deda
07-11-2005, 05:17 AM
Sorry, but I'm going to disagree with you here...
When I was a chain smoker, (for almost 30 years), I thought that when they started restricting smoking in some places, that it was wrong, and that "they were infringing on my rights". Now that I'm a non smoker, (22 months), I can see their point. Now that I "choose" to take good care of my health, I don't think anyone that has a bad habit has a right to be blowing their poisonous chemicals in the air around me, that I'm going to breathe.
Lucky for me, I live in CA, so it's restricted in just about ALL indoor buildings. We even have restriction in some city parks, that have roped off smoking areas. (Hey, they want to protect the kids...which is GOOD!) We also have some cities here, where you can't smoke within like 30 ft. of a building...so you have to keep walking, or else you will be given a citation for smoking near a bldg. I heard it's like a $50.00 fine for 1st offense, then $100.00 for the 2nd one.
I think smokers got away with too much for too long! I remember when we used to be allowed to smoke just about anywhere. I'm ashamed now of blowing all of that poison all over poor, innocent people who chose not to smoke.
It's about time common sense rules, and the health of the public comes first. (well, in some places...but I think it won't be long now that this will be the same all over)
Deda :)
When I was a chain smoker, (for almost 30 years), I thought that when they started restricting smoking in some places, that it was wrong, and that "they were infringing on my rights". Now that I'm a non smoker, (22 months), I can see their point. Now that I "choose" to take good care of my health, I don't think anyone that has a bad habit has a right to be blowing their poisonous chemicals in the air around me, that I'm going to breathe.
Lucky for me, I live in CA, so it's restricted in just about ALL indoor buildings. We even have restriction in some city parks, that have roped off smoking areas. (Hey, they want to protect the kids...which is GOOD!) We also have some cities here, where you can't smoke within like 30 ft. of a building...so you have to keep walking, or else you will be given a citation for smoking near a bldg. I heard it's like a $50.00 fine for 1st offense, then $100.00 for the 2nd one.
I think smokers got away with too much for too long! I remember when we used to be allowed to smoke just about anywhere. I'm ashamed now of blowing all of that poison all over poor, innocent people who chose not to smoke.
It's about time common sense rules, and the health of the public comes first. (well, in some places...but I think it won't be long now that this will be the same all over)
Deda :)
Johnsternow
07-11-2005, 11:33 AM
I am so sorry but I agree a bit with Deda,
I too am an X smoker. I feel bad for everyone who smokes and I see your points too but let me say that you may be one of the clean, safe, courteous percent of people who still smoke as I was. There are some though that still do litter with it. Yet even worse, I have recently received a cigarette burn hole in a new expensive sports jacket from people carelessly bumping into me hovering around the entrance of a Hospital when visiting my dieing mother of all things. “Not a designated area but the restricted area”. Oh they said they were sorry. That does not repair or replace the jacket. It also doesn’t help to say sorry if it were some small child getting hit or burned anywhere. Lastly we seem to forget that there are some people and children who do have serious health issues, asthma or severe allergic reactions and even sinus infections from even the slightest bit of smoke. They finally have a chance to come out like all of us and live a little instead of being prisoners in their homes as they once were for years. What shall we do with them? Send them back to their prisons? I am sorry if you disagree. I wish I could say I would agree with you. That EVERYBODY smoking was that “clean, safe and courteous percent of people” that I spoke of earlier. You may be in that percentile, but where do we draw the line???????????? What if the cigarette burn to my jacket was a hot box to some small child’s eye, God forbid? I being larger was surely more visible in a bright Starter jacket then even your own children. Deny it if you wish but things like this will and do happen all the time.
Sincerely
JohnD
I too am an X smoker. I feel bad for everyone who smokes and I see your points too but let me say that you may be one of the clean, safe, courteous percent of people who still smoke as I was. There are some though that still do litter with it. Yet even worse, I have recently received a cigarette burn hole in a new expensive sports jacket from people carelessly bumping into me hovering around the entrance of a Hospital when visiting my dieing mother of all things. “Not a designated area but the restricted area”. Oh they said they were sorry. That does not repair or replace the jacket. It also doesn’t help to say sorry if it were some small child getting hit or burned anywhere. Lastly we seem to forget that there are some people and children who do have serious health issues, asthma or severe allergic reactions and even sinus infections from even the slightest bit of smoke. They finally have a chance to come out like all of us and live a little instead of being prisoners in their homes as they once were for years. What shall we do with them? Send them back to their prisons? I am sorry if you disagree. I wish I could say I would agree with you. That EVERYBODY smoking was that “clean, safe and courteous percent of people” that I spoke of earlier. You may be in that percentile, but where do we draw the line???????????? What if the cigarette burn to my jacket was a hot box to some small child’s eye, God forbid? I being larger was surely more visible in a bright Starter jacket then even your own children. Deny it if you wish but things like this will and do happen all the time.
Sincerely
JohnD
Grump
07-12-2005, 06:38 AM
I smoked for 35 years. I was up to 3 packs a day when I quit 4 years ago. I have a flooring business and all my employees smoke. I have the same rules as I did when I still smoked, except for one. The one different is that there is only one company vehicle you can smoke in: the ratty 1979 rust bucket Van -- and only then if there is no customer materials inside it.
The rest of the rules regarding smoking is, in short form, no smoking in the customer's house, even if they smoke; no smoking in public view (front of the property). All butts must be disposed of properly, in the trash or your pocket; no smoking in or near my shop or the warehouse or storage areas.
Smoke clings to everything. Surely you have cleaned that putrid yellowish film off the windows, your monitor and the walls of your bathroom where it turns to runny brown drips when it gets all steamy. It penetrates your clothes and other materials. It also stinks really bad and it kills people like my dad and now me.
Yeah, I think they should have designated smoking areas. And I think they should enforce the rules strictly. I don't think smokers should be discriminated against or treated unfairly, but there ain't no way I want their smoke wafting into my space if it can be helped.
Face it, we're a rude bunch. As a society we toss our trash to the curb without a second thought, the only criteria being acceptable size. We cut people off on the highway and butt in lines whenever we can get away with it. We talk about people behind their backs, even our friends. And we bump into people regularly without the slightest "pardon me" when we think they should have seen us coming. So it shouldn't be shocking to anyone that we would flick our ashes, blow our rancid second hand smoke and toss those tiny little cellophane tops wherever we please. It's in our nature.
Designated areas? Yes, preferably where there's an updraft. Do I have a right to freedom from your left-overs? You damn skippy, 'specially now that I have to suck oxygen outa a tube. I don't want the smell, the taste or the feel of it anywhere near me. As a smoker, I felt I did a good job keeping my smoke from offending you. I can't tell you how many times I was told I didn't do it good enough. And I thought they were just bein' pricks, like some of you think I am now. We're both right. It's necessary for us to get the point.
Grump
The rest of the rules regarding smoking is, in short form, no smoking in the customer's house, even if they smoke; no smoking in public view (front of the property). All butts must be disposed of properly, in the trash or your pocket; no smoking in or near my shop or the warehouse or storage areas.
Smoke clings to everything. Surely you have cleaned that putrid yellowish film off the windows, your monitor and the walls of your bathroom where it turns to runny brown drips when it gets all steamy. It penetrates your clothes and other materials. It also stinks really bad and it kills people like my dad and now me.
Yeah, I think they should have designated smoking areas. And I think they should enforce the rules strictly. I don't think smokers should be discriminated against or treated unfairly, but there ain't no way I want their smoke wafting into my space if it can be helped.
Face it, we're a rude bunch. As a society we toss our trash to the curb without a second thought, the only criteria being acceptable size. We cut people off on the highway and butt in lines whenever we can get away with it. We talk about people behind their backs, even our friends. And we bump into people regularly without the slightest "pardon me" when we think they should have seen us coming. So it shouldn't be shocking to anyone that we would flick our ashes, blow our rancid second hand smoke and toss those tiny little cellophane tops wherever we please. It's in our nature.
Designated areas? Yes, preferably where there's an updraft. Do I have a right to freedom from your left-overs? You damn skippy, 'specially now that I have to suck oxygen outa a tube. I don't want the smell, the taste or the feel of it anywhere near me. As a smoker, I felt I did a good job keeping my smoke from offending you. I can't tell you how many times I was told I didn't do it good enough. And I thought they were just bein' pricks, like some of you think I am now. We're both right. It's necessary for us to get the point.
Grump
young momma
07-12-2005, 04:28 PM
We all need to agree to disagree!! If everyone would do that, wow, maybe world peace!! Ha, Ha!! Yeah right! It is okay for us to disagree. That is why I had said that I have never really been a non-smoker. Someday, I will be and I will know what it is like on the other side!! Until then though.....living in the land of the free.
amaranthine
07-12-2005, 05:05 PM
Hope I don't make anyone mad here, but this is my opinion.
I've always been a non-smoker. In my state smoking is allowed in designated areas in restaurants, and in every bar/nightclub. I find it disgusting! Smoke always travels from the smoking section to the non-smoking sections- that really makes you lose your appetite. When I get home from the bar, I smell so badly of stale cigarette smoke that I must immediately shower. Its a nuisance, and it bothers my allergies- the entire next day my nose runs. I understand that smoking is an incredibly difficult habit to break, but I don't see why I should have to suffer so that others can indulge their habits.
That aside, it is a real health risk. Both of my parents were smokers growing up, and I get sick thinking about what kind of damage it has done to me. I was innocent, I wasn't asking for it. That was a personal & poor decision my otherwise wonderful parents made, but I hope that someday soon there are laws against smoking around minors to protect other kids.
I don't think that smokers realize how strong the odor is until they've quit. It does indeed cling to everything- you can tell when something has come from a smoker's house. I know its tough to quit, what I don't understand is why anyone with today's knowledge would begin such a nasty, destructive habit. But that's another topic...
amaranthine
I've always been a non-smoker. In my state smoking is allowed in designated areas in restaurants, and in every bar/nightclub. I find it disgusting! Smoke always travels from the smoking section to the non-smoking sections- that really makes you lose your appetite. When I get home from the bar, I smell so badly of stale cigarette smoke that I must immediately shower. Its a nuisance, and it bothers my allergies- the entire next day my nose runs. I understand that smoking is an incredibly difficult habit to break, but I don't see why I should have to suffer so that others can indulge their habits.
That aside, it is a real health risk. Both of my parents were smokers growing up, and I get sick thinking about what kind of damage it has done to me. I was innocent, I wasn't asking for it. That was a personal & poor decision my otherwise wonderful parents made, but I hope that someday soon there are laws against smoking around minors to protect other kids.
I don't think that smokers realize how strong the odor is until they've quit. It does indeed cling to everything- you can tell when something has come from a smoker's house. I know its tough to quit, what I don't understand is why anyone with today's knowledge would begin such a nasty, destructive habit. But that's another topic...
amaranthine
Grump
07-13-2005, 04:36 AM
... I know its tough to quit, what I don't understand is why anyone with today's knowledge would begin such a nasty, destructive habit.
Because it's cool. It's rebelious, it's dangerous, it's so cooool.
Because it's cool. It's rebelious, it's dangerous, it's so cooool.
Deda
07-13-2005, 05:10 AM
Hey grump...
But do they REALLY think it's STILL cool to start, KNOWING what we now know about it?? Yes, when we were teenagers, it was cool, but we still didn't know for sure just how very dangerous it was! These kids today are taught in school now, from a young age about what a killer it is!...starting like in first grade...and all the TV commercials and all! I hate to see these young kids smoking today!
One of the (many) reasons that I quit, (after 30 years) was I was SO embarrassed to smoke in public any longer. I hid! It was SO embarrassing, looking like a dumb loser, that still chose to smoke!
Hey, I noticed you own a flooring business. My brothers both, (well one died from lung disease at 46), but they both owned them, and my little bro still does, (in SoCal) He's very anti-smoking, (the smart kid who never smoked) and doesn't allow it at his shop, or work trucks/vans either! I don't blame you for having a strict set of rules about smoking on the job, it's your business!!
Take care grump...
Deda ;)
But do they REALLY think it's STILL cool to start, KNOWING what we now know about it?? Yes, when we were teenagers, it was cool, but we still didn't know for sure just how very dangerous it was! These kids today are taught in school now, from a young age about what a killer it is!...starting like in first grade...and all the TV commercials and all! I hate to see these young kids smoking today!
One of the (many) reasons that I quit, (after 30 years) was I was SO embarrassed to smoke in public any longer. I hid! It was SO embarrassing, looking like a dumb loser, that still chose to smoke!
Hey, I noticed you own a flooring business. My brothers both, (well one died from lung disease at 46), but they both owned them, and my little bro still does, (in SoCal) He's very anti-smoking, (the smart kid who never smoked) and doesn't allow it at his shop, or work trucks/vans either! I don't blame you for having a strict set of rules about smoking on the job, it's your business!!
Take care grump...
Deda ;)
cookiepls
07-13-2005, 05:17 AM
I think the trend to ban smoking in all public buildings rather than having a designated smoking area is a good idea. I smoke over 2 packs a day and I've been smoking for around 35 years. I recently moved to California where this law is in effect. I'll admit, it keeps me out of restaurants, movie theaters, and such. I just can't make it more than 30-45 minutes without a cigarette unless I'm active. Sitting and waiting for a meal to be served or sitting and watching a movie drives me nuts. But on the other hand, I just don't think other people should have to deal with stinky clothes and hair like I do. Another poster mentioned that the smell ruins the appetite. A lot of people have allergies or asthma too. I don't want any part in causing health problems for another person. I like designated smoking areas and I miss it now that I'm in California, but the truth is, even in my smoke fogged brain, I know it's better this way.
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Deda
07-13-2005, 05:38 AM
cookiepls...now you sound like one smart cookie, girl! LOL! I'm in CA too, and I'll tell ya, they're so tough out here, that it really made it much easier for me to quit. And it will for YOU too, when your time comes around!! :)
About the movies...It made me remember one time a couple of years before I quit smoking, (quit Sept. '03) I went to the movies with some friends, and I wanted a cig SO bad, that I just left in the middle of the movie, and went out front and had one!! :eek: What an addiction, huh?!! Now I notice at that very same theatre, they no longer allow smoking in that front area. Guess you have to take it out to the parking lot! BUT THAT'S GOOD!!! Yes, CA is probably a very good state to be in if you're planning to quit smoking!
Good luck to you!
Deda :)
About the movies...It made me remember one time a couple of years before I quit smoking, (quit Sept. '03) I went to the movies with some friends, and I wanted a cig SO bad, that I just left in the middle of the movie, and went out front and had one!! :eek: What an addiction, huh?!! Now I notice at that very same theatre, they no longer allow smoking in that front area. Guess you have to take it out to the parking lot! BUT THAT'S GOOD!!! Yes, CA is probably a very good state to be in if you're planning to quit smoking!
Good luck to you!
Deda :)
pageaday
07-13-2005, 08:57 PM
When I smoked, I thought it was a complete infringement on my liberty that I would not be allowed to smoke in certain areas, I was quite irrate about it all.
In my country we've had an outright ban on smoking in all work places, cafes, bars etc. for almost two years now. And I have to say that since I quit three months ago, boy do I value that ban! Of course I understand that when one is a smoker how frustrating that can be, but the air is so clean where every you go now and you don't feel choked up by all the smoke drifting around.
To be honest it's just really really nice to be in that atmosphere. I'd hate to go back to the time when people could smoke anywhere they wanted.
In my country we've had an outright ban on smoking in all work places, cafes, bars etc. for almost two years now. And I have to say that since I quit three months ago, boy do I value that ban! Of course I understand that when one is a smoker how frustrating that can be, but the air is so clean where every you go now and you don't feel choked up by all the smoke drifting around.
To be honest it's just really really nice to be in that atmosphere. I'd hate to go back to the time when people could smoke anywhere they wanted.
Johna
07-13-2005, 09:07 PM
Make every public building non-smoking!!!!!!!!!!! Designated smoking areas should be in the alleys not in front of the building. I have asthma and one of my biggest triggers for an asthma attack is cig smoke.
Johnsternow
07-13-2005, 10:24 PM
Deda, and other warm weather people.
You live in CA with outdoor smoking. Want to hear about a serious sick addiction? I would go outside with others in the dead of winter in Chicago land and Milwaukee. It could be –20 degrees outdoors and people still bundle up and go out to smoke!!! This is even worse for your health and lungs! I don’t know how to explain it to others who never did it, but try to imagine hot boxing a cig to get finished quickly to get back inside. In between hot smoke inhales you are breathing extremely cold sub zero air. Condensation forms and causes bronchitis, upper repertory infections and even pneumonia. Then you go back into the warm air again too. Just to go out and do it again later. This happens all winter long!!! This rotten evil monster just makes you rationalize and even do such stupid things. I can’t believe how times have changed. I still own some old B.K and Mickey Ds ashtrays from when they were allowed in all those fast food joints too.
Thank God those days are over. I have never been more sorry for selfishly exposing people and their children in public to that trash too even back then. I had NO RIGHT to do that, American or otherwise.
JohnD
You live in CA with outdoor smoking. Want to hear about a serious sick addiction? I would go outside with others in the dead of winter in Chicago land and Milwaukee. It could be –20 degrees outdoors and people still bundle up and go out to smoke!!! This is even worse for your health and lungs! I don’t know how to explain it to others who never did it, but try to imagine hot boxing a cig to get finished quickly to get back inside. In between hot smoke inhales you are breathing extremely cold sub zero air. Condensation forms and causes bronchitis, upper repertory infections and even pneumonia. Then you go back into the warm air again too. Just to go out and do it again later. This happens all winter long!!! This rotten evil monster just makes you rationalize and even do such stupid things. I can’t believe how times have changed. I still own some old B.K and Mickey Ds ashtrays from when they were allowed in all those fast food joints too.
Thank God those days are over. I have never been more sorry for selfishly exposing people and their children in public to that trash too even back then. I had NO RIGHT to do that, American or otherwise.
JohnD
cookiepls
07-14-2005, 12:21 AM
Deda, I did the same thing. Over and over again. That's why I stopped going to the movies. Now a drive-in theatre on the other hand......... :D
Love 'em! That is, if you can find one. Oh yeah, I agree that living here in California might help me finally quit. That's what I've been thinking about since I moved here. It might just give me that extra little kick I need.
JohnD, You sound like you were just about as bad off as I am now. When my husband was in the navy stationed in Waukegan (spelling) we would go outside the buildings on base to huddle with other smokers, freezing our butts off. I'm embarrassed to admit this but, I have even turned down promotions and better job opportunities because of their strict non-smoking policies. I'm really ashamed to admit this. Until now, I've never told anyone except my husband. So now everyone knows! :eek:
Hey, those BK and Mickie D ashtray might be worth something someday. LOL
:blob_fire monkey on my back :blob_fire
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Love 'em! That is, if you can find one. Oh yeah, I agree that living here in California might help me finally quit. That's what I've been thinking about since I moved here. It might just give me that extra little kick I need.
JohnD, You sound like you were just about as bad off as I am now. When my husband was in the navy stationed in Waukegan (spelling) we would go outside the buildings on base to huddle with other smokers, freezing our butts off. I'm embarrassed to admit this but, I have even turned down promotions and better job opportunities because of their strict non-smoking policies. I'm really ashamed to admit this. Until now, I've never told anyone except my husband. So now everyone knows! :eek:
Hey, those BK and Mickie D ashtray might be worth something someday. LOL
:blob_fire monkey on my back :blob_fire
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Johnsternow
07-14-2005, 01:52 AM
cookiepls,
Love it !!! You do understand and I know exactly where Great Lakes Naval base is. I’m not too far from there now. Yes I to and so many I have known have turned down some better job or carrier because of smoking. I even had people come to my old company and ask me to employ them not that they quit because their old employer fired them for too much production loss from smoking too much. Those things cost a lot more than the $6 or more a pack some are getting. How much have you lost in income from those jobs you turned down or medical bills past or future? It is insane!!! cookiepls, when your ready we will all be there to help!!!
YOU CAN DO IT!!! GO, GO, GOOOOOOOOO GIRL!!!!!!! :bouncing: :bouncing: :bouncing:
John
Love it !!! You do understand and I know exactly where Great Lakes Naval base is. I’m not too far from there now. Yes I to and so many I have known have turned down some better job or carrier because of smoking. I even had people come to my old company and ask me to employ them not that they quit because their old employer fired them for too much production loss from smoking too much. Those things cost a lot more than the $6 or more a pack some are getting. How much have you lost in income from those jobs you turned down or medical bills past or future? It is insane!!! cookiepls, when your ready we will all be there to help!!!
YOU CAN DO IT!!! GO, GO, GOOOOOOOOO GIRL!!!!!!! :bouncing: :bouncing: :bouncing:
John
Deda
07-14-2005, 02:58 AM
Deda, and other warm weather people.
You live in CA with outdoor smoking. Want to hear about a serious sick addiction? I would go outside with others in the dead of winter in Chicago land and Milwaukee. It could be –20 degrees outdoors and people still bundle up and go out to smoke!!! This is even worse for your health and lungs! I don’t know how to explain it to others who never did it, but try to imagine hot boxing a cig to get finished quickly to get back inside. In between hot smoke inhales you are breathing extremely cold sub zero air. Condensation forms and causes bronchitis, upper repertory infections and even pneumonia. Then you go back into the warm air again too. Just to go out and do it again later. This happens all winter long!!! This rotten evil monster just makes you rationalize and even do such stupid things. I can’t believe how times have changed. I still own some old B.K and Mickey Ds ashtrays from when they were allowed in all those fast food joints too.
Thank God those days are over. I have never been more sorry for selfishly exposing people and their children in public to that trash too even back then. I had NO RIGHT to do that, American or otherwise.
JohnD
Hi JohnD--
Eww, that sounds horrible...leading to pnuemonias, bronchitis, etc! But we'd do ANYTHING, and risk anything, to get that fix, wouldn't we? It does get cold here in NorCal in the winter, but not usually in the freezing range, thank goodness. But I remember feeling like a dumb fool, being outside stores, restuarants, etc., smoking in the pouring rain! Didn't seem to worry about getting all wet, but I would always be trying to cover up that ciggie with my other hand...didn't want to get my "fix" wet. Whadda dummy I was back then!! :rolleyes:
And yeah, I'm deeply ashamed now too, about smoking around kids and everyone, I really am. :( When you're addicted like that, you don't care about anyone, except getting what ya need. The last few years I smoked tho, I think I had become a lot more considerate towards others, as it was becoming so hated by all. I knew it was way past my time to finally quit, for once and for all. I thank God I was able to do it this time.
Glad you did too JohnD. :) :bouncing:
Deda
You live in CA with outdoor smoking. Want to hear about a serious sick addiction? I would go outside with others in the dead of winter in Chicago land and Milwaukee. It could be –20 degrees outdoors and people still bundle up and go out to smoke!!! This is even worse for your health and lungs! I don’t know how to explain it to others who never did it, but try to imagine hot boxing a cig to get finished quickly to get back inside. In between hot smoke inhales you are breathing extremely cold sub zero air. Condensation forms and causes bronchitis, upper repertory infections and even pneumonia. Then you go back into the warm air again too. Just to go out and do it again later. This happens all winter long!!! This rotten evil monster just makes you rationalize and even do such stupid things. I can’t believe how times have changed. I still own some old B.K and Mickey Ds ashtrays from when they were allowed in all those fast food joints too.
Thank God those days are over. I have never been more sorry for selfishly exposing people and their children in public to that trash too even back then. I had NO RIGHT to do that, American or otherwise.
JohnD
Hi JohnD--
Eww, that sounds horrible...leading to pnuemonias, bronchitis, etc! But we'd do ANYTHING, and risk anything, to get that fix, wouldn't we? It does get cold here in NorCal in the winter, but not usually in the freezing range, thank goodness. But I remember feeling like a dumb fool, being outside stores, restuarants, etc., smoking in the pouring rain! Didn't seem to worry about getting all wet, but I would always be trying to cover up that ciggie with my other hand...didn't want to get my "fix" wet. Whadda dummy I was back then!! :rolleyes:
And yeah, I'm deeply ashamed now too, about smoking around kids and everyone, I really am. :( When you're addicted like that, you don't care about anyone, except getting what ya need. The last few years I smoked tho, I think I had become a lot more considerate towards others, as it was becoming so hated by all. I knew it was way past my time to finally quit, for once and for all. I thank God I was able to do it this time.
Glad you did too JohnD. :) :bouncing:
Deda
Deda
07-14-2005, 03:19 AM
Deda, I did the same thing. Over and over again. That's why I stopped going to the movies. Now a drive-in theatre on the other hand......... :D
Love 'em! That is, if you can find one. Oh yeah, I agree that living here in California might help me finally quit. That's what I've been thinking about since I moved here. It might just give me that extra little kick I need.
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cookiepls--
Forget the drive in movies....JUST QUIT NOW!!! :D You can do it...you must kind of want to, or you would'nt be visiting this board...am I right?
BTW, there's drive in movies up here in the North part of the state. Not a lot, but a few. (they're a dying breed, I hear there's only about 100 of em left in the US! I loved them when we were kids though!) I take it your hubby is in the Navy. S. Diego? Hey, my hubby is retired AF...now those AF bases don't let you smoke anywhere! And THEY REALLY MEAN IT!!! You're liable to get shot if they catch you!! LOL! (and they helped get me hooked, as they were SO cheap in the commissary, way back in the early 70's...like $2.75 a carton!) Too bad it wasn't that way back when we were in, (we lived on the base), as it might of got me to quit for good back then! I kept trying, kept takibg smoking cessation courses at the base hospital, (free gum, free patches, 8 week classes), and I would graduate with honors! LOL!! Trouble was, I was never 100% ready to quit! So it gave me some breaks from it tho. A year here, six months there...well, it probably prepared me somewhat for this final quit, 22 months ago. I did learn a lot about the dangers of smoking, and how to go about quitting in those classes. They were great! Why don't you take one? :D
Good luck, cookiepls!
Deda :)
Love 'em! That is, if you can find one. Oh yeah, I agree that living here in California might help me finally quit. That's what I've been thinking about since I moved here. It might just give me that extra little kick I need.
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By perseverance the snail reached the ark. ~Charles Haddon Spurgeon~
cookiepls--
Forget the drive in movies....JUST QUIT NOW!!! :D You can do it...you must kind of want to, or you would'nt be visiting this board...am I right?
BTW, there's drive in movies up here in the North part of the state. Not a lot, but a few. (they're a dying breed, I hear there's only about 100 of em left in the US! I loved them when we were kids though!) I take it your hubby is in the Navy. S. Diego? Hey, my hubby is retired AF...now those AF bases don't let you smoke anywhere! And THEY REALLY MEAN IT!!! You're liable to get shot if they catch you!! LOL! (and they helped get me hooked, as they were SO cheap in the commissary, way back in the early 70's...like $2.75 a carton!) Too bad it wasn't that way back when we were in, (we lived on the base), as it might of got me to quit for good back then! I kept trying, kept takibg smoking cessation courses at the base hospital, (free gum, free patches, 8 week classes), and I would graduate with honors! LOL!! Trouble was, I was never 100% ready to quit! So it gave me some breaks from it tho. A year here, six months there...well, it probably prepared me somewhat for this final quit, 22 months ago. I did learn a lot about the dangers of smoking, and how to go about quitting in those classes. They were great! Why don't you take one? :D
Good luck, cookiepls!
Deda :)
alsaser
07-25-2005, 07:50 AM
I am curious about peoples view on designated smoking areas. Are they fair, do they really do any good in crowded areas where smoke spreads anyways? Why should we be restricted to areas we can smoke when we are outside? Are they inconvient? How do you feel about these issues?
I hating being around smokers when I was a youngster. Than I started and smoked for 10 yrs, quit for almost 2, started again for the last 2 yrs. I've been on both sides and i love my cigs, but I have to agree, even as a smoker, I think others should not be subject to my smoke. I try to smoke when no one is around. I think others have the right to not be subject to my habit. I'm not dumb/misinformed about the dangers, I've seen my uncle (smoker) and aunt (she didn't smoke, 2nd-hand killed her) die of lung cancer. I watched my mom die slowly of cancer (not lung, she didn't smoke). But cancer is cancer and its ugly and painful for everyone. This is my choice. But others have the right to their choice not to smoke and not to breathe my 2nd-hand.
I hating being around smokers when I was a youngster. Than I started and smoked for 10 yrs, quit for almost 2, started again for the last 2 yrs. I've been on both sides and i love my cigs, but I have to agree, even as a smoker, I think others should not be subject to my smoke. I try to smoke when no one is around. I think others have the right to not be subject to my habit. I'm not dumb/misinformed about the dangers, I've seen my uncle (smoker) and aunt (she didn't smoke, 2nd-hand killed her) die of lung cancer. I watched my mom die slowly of cancer (not lung, she didn't smoke). But cancer is cancer and its ugly and painful for everyone. This is my choice. But others have the right to their choice not to smoke and not to breathe my 2nd-hand.
cookiepls
07-25-2005, 12:55 PM
Forget the drive in movies....JUST QUIT NOW!!! You can do it...you must kind of want to, or you would'nt be visiting this board...am I right?
Deda, you're so right. I really DO want to quit. Yesterday I started on the partial box of Nicotrol inhalers that I bought from my sister-in-law a while back. I've been afraid to start on them because it's only a partial box. I didn't do well at all. :o I'm going to try again today though.
I take it your hubby is in the Navy. S. Diego?
He was stationed in San Diego back in '92 or 93' I think. We lived off base in La Mesa where I managed an apartment complex (free rent!). We live in L.A. now.
(and they helped get me hooked, as they were SO cheap in the commissary, way back in the early 70's...like $2.75 a carton!)
Ah yes, the cheap cigs. You can't even buy a pack for $2.75 now! I remember it well. LOL They were like $6 a carton when we were there.
I kept trying, kept takibg smoking cessation courses at the base hospital, (free gum, free patches, 8 week classes), and I would graduate with honors! LOL!!
I've read over and over again that quitting smoking can take practice. Lots of false starts and failures, but if you keep trying it will eventually happen. I hope so, cuz I've had LOTS of practice already. LOL
So, what brought about the final quit? What was your mindset at that time?
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My problem lies in reconciling my gross habits with my net income. ~Errol Flynn~
Deda, you're so right. I really DO want to quit. Yesterday I started on the partial box of Nicotrol inhalers that I bought from my sister-in-law a while back. I've been afraid to start on them because it's only a partial box. I didn't do well at all. :o I'm going to try again today though.
I take it your hubby is in the Navy. S. Diego?
He was stationed in San Diego back in '92 or 93' I think. We lived off base in La Mesa where I managed an apartment complex (free rent!). We live in L.A. now.
(and they helped get me hooked, as they were SO cheap in the commissary, way back in the early 70's...like $2.75 a carton!)
Ah yes, the cheap cigs. You can't even buy a pack for $2.75 now! I remember it well. LOL They were like $6 a carton when we were there.
I kept trying, kept takibg smoking cessation courses at the base hospital, (free gum, free patches, 8 week classes), and I would graduate with honors! LOL!!
I've read over and over again that quitting smoking can take practice. Lots of false starts and failures, but if you keep trying it will eventually happen. I hope so, cuz I've had LOTS of practice already. LOL
So, what brought about the final quit? What was your mindset at that time?
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My problem lies in reconciling my gross habits with my net income. ~Errol Flynn~
Deda
07-25-2005, 08:54 PM
Hi there cookiepls!
What brought about my final quit? Well, I had been wanting to quit for years anyway, as I was approaching 50, :eek:, and I thought, 'How much longer can I go on smoking like this, without getting cancer, or emphysema or some other horrible disease?' And then I was diagnosed with hypothyroid,/Hashimoto's disease, which is an autoimmune disease. I had very high anti-thyroid antibodies, which I read can get even worse if you smoke, (smoking can increase them). I got very ill, and I thought, geez, here I am with a chronic illness, (it will never go away), and thinking/knowing, 'NOW'S THE TIME TO START TAKING CARE OF MY HEALTH!!'
With this disease, (or any chronic disease) you must take extra good care of yourself. So I knew that, number 1. I need to quit smoking... 2. Start eating right. So I changed my diet, and now eat like a health nut. (and take a lot of supplements) 3. Get daily exercise, at least 30 min., 5 days a week 4. Meditate. Learning new ways to deal with stress, and still learning, (and still reminding myself daily) "Don't Sweat The Small Stuff!" 5. Daily prayer, asking for the strength to get through this, and the will to succeed. It all worked! 6.Oh, and been coming to this board all along too,...THAT helped a lot!! Before I quit, I read hundreds of messages, from the archives here. You get good ideas from others here on how they did it, WHAT helped them get through this!
I always knew, in the back of my mind that I would quit smoking for good one day, and I just knew it was "now or never". I wanted to have better health, and I knew it just wasn't gonna happen sucking on those deadly cigs all day long!!
cooliepls...don't give up!! You DO want to quit smoking, I know ya do, or you wouldn't keep coming back to this board! If one nicotene replacement doesn't work for you, please, TRY another one! Take a class, if you have to, or come to this board everyday...ever hour if you need to!!! :) We're all here, and there's plenty of people that will help support you, answer questions, and cheer you on! You know I will! :D
Don't EVER think that your addiction is beyond help! (I used to think that!) I LOVED smoking so much, and I just could not phathom the thought of going the rest of my life without smoking! Now, I can't stand to be around it!! (Honestly!) The longer you go without, the more your mind seems to go back to it's pre-smoking state. (At least that's what my husband and I think/feel!). Yeah, the first few month, I missed it badly, and felt so sad without them...but time does heal, and it starts becoming easier and easier! If you do it, and you are patient, you will feel the same way, and have very few, if any cravings! :D
Best of luck to you, cookiepls!! :bouncing: (and let us know if we can help!)
Deda- - ->Yesterday was my 22 month anniversary. :D
What brought about my final quit? Well, I had been wanting to quit for years anyway, as I was approaching 50, :eek:, and I thought, 'How much longer can I go on smoking like this, without getting cancer, or emphysema or some other horrible disease?' And then I was diagnosed with hypothyroid,/Hashimoto's disease, which is an autoimmune disease. I had very high anti-thyroid antibodies, which I read can get even worse if you smoke, (smoking can increase them). I got very ill, and I thought, geez, here I am with a chronic illness, (it will never go away), and thinking/knowing, 'NOW'S THE TIME TO START TAKING CARE OF MY HEALTH!!'
With this disease, (or any chronic disease) you must take extra good care of yourself. So I knew that, number 1. I need to quit smoking... 2. Start eating right. So I changed my diet, and now eat like a health nut. (and take a lot of supplements) 3. Get daily exercise, at least 30 min., 5 days a week 4. Meditate. Learning new ways to deal with stress, and still learning, (and still reminding myself daily) "Don't Sweat The Small Stuff!" 5. Daily prayer, asking for the strength to get through this, and the will to succeed. It all worked! 6.Oh, and been coming to this board all along too,...THAT helped a lot!! Before I quit, I read hundreds of messages, from the archives here. You get good ideas from others here on how they did it, WHAT helped them get through this!
I always knew, in the back of my mind that I would quit smoking for good one day, and I just knew it was "now or never". I wanted to have better health, and I knew it just wasn't gonna happen sucking on those deadly cigs all day long!!
cooliepls...don't give up!! You DO want to quit smoking, I know ya do, or you wouldn't keep coming back to this board! If one nicotene replacement doesn't work for you, please, TRY another one! Take a class, if you have to, or come to this board everyday...ever hour if you need to!!! :) We're all here, and there's plenty of people that will help support you, answer questions, and cheer you on! You know I will! :D
Don't EVER think that your addiction is beyond help! (I used to think that!) I LOVED smoking so much, and I just could not phathom the thought of going the rest of my life without smoking! Now, I can't stand to be around it!! (Honestly!) The longer you go without, the more your mind seems to go back to it's pre-smoking state. (At least that's what my husband and I think/feel!). Yeah, the first few month, I missed it badly, and felt so sad without them...but time does heal, and it starts becoming easier and easier! If you do it, and you are patient, you will feel the same way, and have very few, if any cravings! :D
Best of luck to you, cookiepls!! :bouncing: (and let us know if we can help!)
Deda- - ->Yesterday was my 22 month anniversary. :D