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BraveGirl
07-28-2005, 08:28 PM
how to be a good friend...
my 20yr old ex boyfriend (he's an ex since about 2 weeks ago) whom I still love to death has recently (Tuesday) been admitted to a psychiatric hospital.
He's only had any kind of problems once before. When he was younger he took a whole bottle of Tylenol in hopes to end his life because of a breakup with a girlfriend.
It started on Friday - he was talking like he didn't have much time and he was trying to get me to take him back. I talked to him on Saturday night and he seemed fine - a little wired but he was saying that he read some things that changed him and that he wanted to start going to church with me and that he wanted to learn about God. Well, at least at the time, I believed this was true because I hadn't talked to him in a while and I really thought he was interested. The next 2 days it got worse. He was walking around and saying that he wants to save his family and the people he loves. He was asking me to marry him and have kids with him. He was saying that he "knows who the terrorists are." Apparently he was reading song lyrics on the internet and getting these ideas from them (this was a long distance relationship so I only knew what I was hearing on the phone, I didn't find the rest out until I spoke with his family). While I was on the phone he kept saying that someone was watching him and he didn't know what to do. He kept asking me if I had him on the radio. He said that he was going to become a rapper. He did say that he hadn't eaten or slept in days...
He's in the hospital now and he's left me several messages asking me not to hate him, telling me that he loves me and wants to start a family with me, and telling me that he is scared. I spoke with him 3 times and only 1 of those times did I feel like I was really talking to him. I actually thought he was a lot better. That was last night. Today, I just cried on the phone with him. He was talking about reading books about pirates and he was saying that he was going to be on a TV show and that he would wave to me. He asked me if I had a plan to get him out of there. I don't know how to respond to him when he says these things. Do I tell him that I don't understand what he's talking about? Do I tell him that I never said things to him (things that he's making up..)? I love him to death and I'm the only person that makes him happy in there ( his family told me ). I keep thinking that maybe I should not stay in his life because I don't want to give him false hope that we might one day be together again...
He doesn't have a dx yet. I don't think there's been there long enough yet. Can anyone please tell me how to deal with this - or help me understand... I want to be the best friend that I can be throughout this. Beginning today, all I really want to do is cry, I'm so frustrated and confused... I can't even begin to imagine how he must feel.

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GatsbyLuvr1920
07-28-2005, 09:48 PM
He sounds like he has bipolar I to me. The reason I'm picking this over schizophrenia is the fact that he hasn't eaten or slept in days, common symptoms of full-blown mania, where the patient has too much energy to take time for rest and meals. He seems to be having delusions, but they appear to be of the grandiose kind- he will be remembered forever for saving all of his relatives. Also, it's quite common for people to become extremely interested in religion when they're manic. During this time was he more talkative, energetic, restless, hyperactive, and/or irritable? If so, I'd say that he definitely was (and perhaps still is) manic. Usually, mania, schizophrenia, and suicidal depressions are the conditions that need hospitalization. He also was suicidal in the past, which might have been a depressive episode. As for how to deal with the diagnosis, just treat him as you normally would. One mistake that loved ones often make with bipolar patients is that every emotion they have is related to their illness. "He seems happy today- he must be hypomanic," and "You seem to be down today. Are you becoming depressed?" even if the scenarios in which these emotions occurred were really something to be excited and sad about. Also, monitor his medication. Many young bipolar patients stop taking their lithium or other mood stabilizers because they want to, once again, feel as incredible as they did when they were manic, but it's very important to watch his behavior for possible signs of him skipping his meds. Basically, regardless whether he's bipolar or not, just help him adjust to his new lifestyle and make sure not to only want to talk to him about his illness. If he wants to vent about his diagnosis, he'll let you know. ;) Other than that, you might want to research his diagnosis to better understand what he's going through, learn the warning signs for an episode, and help break the stereotypes associated with the particular mental illness. Good luck, God bless, and please let us know what your boyfriend's true diagnosis is! :angel:
-GatsbyLuvr1920-

BraveGirl
07-28-2005, 10:40 PM
Thank you SO much for your quick response. You gave me a lot of much needed information. =0) I knew a little bit about bipolar, but mostly about the depressive episodes.
It's hard for me to say what his habits were because I live 1 1/2 hours away from him and I only get to see him every so often. I only know what he or his family tells me.
He was definitely a lot more talkative; unintelligible really. He jumped from subject to subject and he really had no interest in what I had to say and no patience to listen to it. He seemed more hyperactive as well. He wouldn't really sit still while we were talking. He was moving from room to room in the house - would have made me dizzy had I been there. After I found out that he hadn't eaten in days, I tried to get him to eat a pb&j sandwich on Monday night (his all time favorite sandwich), and he would start to make it and walk away and forget what he was doing. I had to keep guiding him back to his pb&j. He finally finished the sandwich. I actually had a very hard time getting off of the phone with him that night. He seemed to be very affectionate as well. He wasn't normally that way with his family - but he was telling his mom how much he loved her (trust me - that's very abnormal) and he was walking around giving his dad hugs and kisses and, of course, telling him he wanted to save his family.
Now that I have been given some type of direction, I am going to be able to get more information =0) As for the delusions, how do I respond when he tells me about them? If this is a manic episode, will it have to run it's course, will they be able to begin controlling it with medications, and/or will he have to have intensive therapy to bring him out of it. He said today that he realized that he was starving himself and that he was watching the people around him and noticed that they were eating. It's almost like he goes from being "normal" to delusional in a matter of seconds... *sigh*

GatsbyLuvr1920
07-28-2005, 11:42 PM
The new symptoms you described pretty much clinches it for me that he's manic- the classic "jumping from topic to topic" was what set it for me. During mania the person has what is called "flight of ideas" where their thought processes speed up. Therefore, they have pressured speech and feel they have to talk faster and faster to keep up with what their brain wants them to say. Another classic symptom is impatience when you interrupt them. The manic person thinks that they are the most important person that ever lived, and when you interrupt them, they find it highly offensive and may turn aggressive or even violent. However, when they interrupt you to tell you about their great ideas, that's perfectly fine. ;) As the mania progresses, their patience shortens. The littlest thing that doesn't go their way can end up in an explosion. They may start ignoring you because they think you're too slow and "boring" for their sped-up pace. It's not advisable to tell the manic patient to "slow down" while they're talking because they don't realize that they're talking faster- they think you're slower, and therefore, uninteresting. While manic, the person gets involved in many new projects (some, which can be disasterous, such as Internet stocks), go on life-ruining shopping sprees, and become hypersexual. Their inhibitions and judgment leaves them and they become more of a risk taker, even if they've never been before. Unprotected sex, gambling, and reckless driving can all accompany mania. Some may drink alcohol to bring themselves down from their "high" and others might take drugs like cocaine to intensify the "feel-good" experience. Also, asking for someone's hand in marriage and planning the future is also common, but not recommended. A manic person should NEVER make life-altering decisions such as wanting to have a child, get married, buy a house, move, quit one's job, etc. because they really don't know what they're getting into. This is not to say that he doesn't truly want to marry you, but the abruptness and rapidity is the mania talking. It sounds as if he has the textbook case of mania, that is, euphoric mania. As far as the delusions go, I'd check with his psychiatrist. I would think that you should probably just go along with them because if you don't, he'll be offended, but I'm not entirely sure; the doctor might think that it would only reinforce the idea. There are two types of bipolar disorder: bipolar I and bipolar II. Bipolar I, which your friend has, is the more serious type. In both, the person experiences a state called hypomania. During hypomania, the same symptoms are present as in mania, but they're much less severe and developed, though their decisions may still ruin their lives because of the lack of judgment. People with bipolar II never progress beyond hypomania; people with bipolar I, on the other hand, develop "full-blown" mania. In full-blown mania, the person may become psychotic and have hallucinations and/or delusions, as you have seen. The delusions are almost always of a grandiose nature. During his hospitalization, your friend will most likely be given an anti-psychotic such as Haldol or thorazine to stop the psychotic features. Then, he'll be put on a mood stabilizer. There're two types of mood stabilizers: lithium and anti-convulsant drugs that were originally designed for the treatment of epilepsy. (Depakote and Tegretol are the two most common types.) By the description of his episode, and his apparent euphoric mania, your friend will most likely be put on lithium. Depakote and Tegretol are used more for bipolar II, rapid-cycling, and for patients with any other co-existing psychiatric disorders. If he continues taking his meds, he'll be fine. He'll still experience a cyclic change in mood, but it will be minor. Make sure to monitor his sleeping habits. :yawn: A bipolar person (especially a bipolar I) must go to bed at the same time each night and wake up at the same time each morning. Any switch in time zones may spark mania. The best thing that you can do for him is just to be there for support. Even if you don't end up continuing your relationship, I'm sure that he'll appreciate you being there to help him through this tough time. Hope this helps, and write back soon! :angel:
-GatsbyLuvr1920-
P.S. A book you might highly consider purchasing for yourself or your friend is "The Bipolar Survival Guide." Even though I'm not bipolar, I wanted to learn about it, and this particular book told me pretty much everything I just told you. It comes complete with mood charts and advice for families. Very good reference for both patient and relatives!

BraveGirl
07-29-2005, 01:23 AM
Thank you so much for your input! I am going to wait for an official dx from the dr., but, I want to try and educate myself on the possibilities in the mean time. Sometimes it's harder to hear "we don't know what's wrong" than it is to actually have a dx to work with.
I definitely would not make any type of life changing decision while he is like this. I also would not decide to leave him in any way because of this. If anything, I want to be more involved.
Again, thank you so much for your quick response to this. I'm sure that I could have spent hours researching this, but, I think in a time of uncertainty like this it is nice to find someone who can at least give you somewhere to start. You were my saving grace tonight :angel: . I was beginning to feel quite lost...

GatsbyLuvr1920
07-29-2005, 07:30 AM
I'm so glad that I helped you! :D I totally agree that you should wait for the official diagnosis, but in the meantime, you can do research and see if the symptoms of mania fit his behavior. Personally, if he's exhibiting these symptoms as clearly as you mentioned, I'm quite surprised that they haven't figured out what's wrong with him yet; there's no other psychiatric condition that fits your description. :confused: Anyway, I wish you both the best of luck, God bless, and if you have any more questions, feel free to ask! :angel:
-GatsbyLuvr1920-

BraveGirl
07-29-2005, 09:54 PM
:D good day today, I think. I talked to my friend today and we had a good conversation, well as good as can be expected. No delusions. He was still a little bit "wired" and talkative, but, not as much as he was before. He told me that he quit smoking (something he's been trying to do for a long time). I felt like a mom congratulating her 3 year old =/ He told me that he was still taking meds ( I think I already knew that, but I wanted a little more information so I asked him anyway) and he said that they are working well for him. He said that they keep changing he meds. I guess I'm pretty excited because he was actually making sense today so I feel I needed to tell someone. Am I correct in assuming that there will be bad days and good days until they get his meds right? Or will there always be bad and good days? The way I look at it is - 1 good day is better than none :D

GatsbyLuvr1920
07-30-2005, 12:11 AM
I think this is a good sign! It seems as though he's coming down from the mania to a normal mood state. Did they actually diagnose him yet? I'm very curious... It does take some time to fiddle with the medications to find one that will work best from your friend- they need to find the right combinations of mood stabilizers, anti-depressants, and anti-psychotics. I'm guessing that he's had an anti-psychotic by now if the delusions are gone, and that's good. He's probably just hypomanic by now, and it will take a few days (possibly a week) for him to fully recover and be back to his old self again. Write back soon! :D
-GatsbyLuvr1920-

BraveGirl
07-30-2005, 08:52 AM
Well, I asked him what was wrong and he said that they haven't told him anything yet. He said that he's taking Zyprexa and something else that begins with a "D". I'm guessing Depakote? Both are meds for bipolar I believe. He definitely doesn't want to be in there anymore. I spoke with him at about 9pm last night and he sounded better than he did at lunchtime so.. we'll see. I'm going to make a brave attempt to call his mom and see if they told her anything. I'm curious to know as well, however, I'm preparing for them to tell me it's bipolar. He said that he definitely wants to stay on the meds when he gets home because he can tell that they are helping him :cool:. I can't wait until I can at least go visit him =0)

GatsbyLuvr1920
07-30-2005, 09:44 AM
I'm so glad that he knows the meds are helping him and that he wants to continue taking them. Zyprexa is commonly used for bipolar. They must be working if he sounded better in just a few hours time. Keep me posted on the diagnosis. :angel:
-GatsbyLuvr1920-

BraveGirl
08-01-2005, 12:39 PM
gRRRR... He's getting out today, but he doesn't have a dx. I guess they are going to take him off of his medications and see what happens? Seems odd to me that they would do that. I would think if the meds are helping that they wouldn't take him off of them? I went to see him yesterday and he is 100% better, I think... He was soooo happy to see me. He pretty much kicked everyone out just to spend time with me. :D





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