Mike in LA
02-18-2002, 12:59 AM
I agree with the last poster. I cut soda/chips/ and other crap carbs out of my diet about 2 years ago. Since then Ive gotten in the best shape of my life. Good carbs for me are oatmeal, brown rice, potatoes (not in the evening) and whole grain bread. STAY AWAY FROM REFINED SUGAR! goodluck!
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rhody
02-18-2002, 03:14 AM
I agree with you. It's the refined sugar-filled carbs that are bad, not natural whole grains. I hope that more and more people can understand this.
blondiebiker
02-18-2002, 02:51 PM
yuppers I agree as well. :)
Mike in LA
02-18-2002, 10:54 PM
Just out of curiosity what would you guys consider 5 favorable carbs.
rhody
02-18-2002, 11:47 PM
For whole grains, I consume natural whole wheat berries, brown rice, millet, and flax seeds. I make hot and cold cereals with these, with my food processor. At times, I'll have potatoes, mixed with boiled onions. (There. That's my five. :) )
I'm not sure if that is the best for everyone, but that's what are my favorites. Some people don't seem to like to have potatoes in their diet....
The rest of my diet is a mixture of fruits, nuts, seeds, dairy products, and vegetables. Sometimes I'll have a small portion of processed (very low sugar) food, and meat. It's too hard to be a purist in our fast-paced society, but by eating healthy as much as possible, it can make a big difference.
I'm not sure if that is the best for everyone, but that's what are my favorites. Some people don't seem to like to have potatoes in their diet....
The rest of my diet is a mixture of fruits, nuts, seeds, dairy products, and vegetables. Sometimes I'll have a small portion of processed (very low sugar) food, and meat. It's too hard to be a purist in our fast-paced society, but by eating healthy as much as possible, it can make a big difference.
andreaphilip3
02-19-2002, 08:59 PM
i disagree. wen ppl are insulin resistent(like me) all vcarbs are bad b/c IR ppl cant metabolize them.
rhody
02-20-2002, 10:35 PM
I have read that some persons with adult-onset diabetes actually do better with whole grains. They must be whole like wheat berries, brown rice, whole oats, and flax seed etc. There's articles that I can pull up about this if you would like. Whole grains are night and day different than refined grains.
andreaphilip3
02-20-2002, 11:05 PM
thnx. but im not diabetic. my thyroid is messed up& all crbs are bad 4 my body.ive tried low fat. didnt work.
momonline41
02-21-2002, 10:10 AM
insulin resistance seems to come and go with obesity, from the research i have read. I truely doubt that anyones innards are all that different from anothers. excepting of course those that have a condition like diabetes then there is an innard that is not functioning or functioning poorly and needs special care.
anyway best carbs
pasta (esp when invoved with mussels marinara)
baked potato w/ salsa
popcorn
baby carrots
fresh fruits
Cyn
anyway best carbs
pasta (esp when invoved with mussels marinara)
baked potato w/ salsa
popcorn
baby carrots
fresh fruits
Cyn
SherryA
02-21-2002, 11:32 AM
Rhody,
Flax Seeds
Tell me more about things I can do with these, and where to get them and stuff. i see stuff that has flax in the name , but am very leary of the quality and pureness of these.
Sherry
Flax Seeds
Tell me more about things I can do with these, and where to get them and stuff. i see stuff that has flax in the name , but am very leary of the quality and pureness of these.
Sherry
rhody
02-21-2002, 07:39 PM
I grind up my flax seeds with my other whole grains, when I make my natural cereals. I think some people add whole flax seeds to their baked goods, like muffins.
I've read so much good about flax seeds, that I just decided to include them with my diet. I buy these seeds in 25 lb. bags. That will last a very long time.
Flax seeds are small, brown, and have a shiny texture to them. You can save a lot of money buying them from a commercial retail store in bulk, rather than just purchasing a small amount at a healthfood store for example.
I hope that helps and I have answered your questions.
I've read so much good about flax seeds, that I just decided to include them with my diet. I buy these seeds in 25 lb. bags. That will last a very long time.
Flax seeds are small, brown, and have a shiny texture to them. You can save a lot of money buying them from a commercial retail store in bulk, rather than just purchasing a small amount at a healthfood store for example.
I hope that helps and I have answered your questions.
rhody
02-21-2002, 07:44 PM
To purchase one of these large bags of flax seed, you can ask the manager of the produce department of a food supermarket. They often offer a little discount, like 10%, to buy in larger quantities. You just need to ask around, and I'm sure that you'll be able to find them. I believe that a 25lb. bag of flax seed should cost about $20 (USD), but it's been a while since I have checked the prices.
scooter9999
02-22-2002, 10:56 AM
I have to agree with the posters at the top. Even though I still eat too many highly processed carbs, I've lost weight through the reduction of the chips, etc...
I might have to start making my own bread, because most of the bread I can buy is not very good. I can eat one sandwich made with a hearty whole-grain bread, and feel like I've eaten 2 or 3 sandwiches made from highly-refined flour. And most of the "wheat breads" are such a scam.
Whether you have insulin problems or not, trying to find high quality food is almost impossible. If you're from a smaller city or town, the choices are even worse.
I can probably get away with more carbs than most people, but I still have to watch my that I don't just become Mr. Weight-Loss hero and fall back completely into my old habits.
On the subject of type 2 diabetes. The Pima Indians of Arizona as group, have one of the highest incidents of type 2. But as some of them have been switching more and more to their historical diet, their health has greatly improved. Plus, they've had to increase their exercise levels.
There historical diet is primarily carbs, but it doesn't consist of anything processed. Just all natural, slowly digestable plant products.
Now our food choices are fattening up the peoples of China, Japan, etc... not sure where this will all end.
I might have to start making my own bread, because most of the bread I can buy is not very good. I can eat one sandwich made with a hearty whole-grain bread, and feel like I've eaten 2 or 3 sandwiches made from highly-refined flour. And most of the "wheat breads" are such a scam.
Whether you have insulin problems or not, trying to find high quality food is almost impossible. If you're from a smaller city or town, the choices are even worse.
I can probably get away with more carbs than most people, but I still have to watch my that I don't just become Mr. Weight-Loss hero and fall back completely into my old habits.
On the subject of type 2 diabetes. The Pima Indians of Arizona as group, have one of the highest incidents of type 2. But as some of them have been switching more and more to their historical diet, their health has greatly improved. Plus, they've had to increase their exercise levels.
There historical diet is primarily carbs, but it doesn't consist of anything processed. Just all natural, slowly digestable plant products.
Now our food choices are fattening up the peoples of China, Japan, etc... not sure where this will all end.
rhody
02-23-2002, 10:47 PM
Scooter,
Reading your post reminded me that I should make my own whole grain bread too. I haven't done that in a long while. I made some banana bread this evening with natural whole wheat berries, water, eggs, milk, flax seed, bananas, nuts, and raisins. Except for a little butter on the pyrex bread pan, there's nothing else. I just pulled it out of the oven. I don't put yeast in it too, so it quite dense, but easy to eat since it has so much fruit in it.
Thanks for sharing with us the story about the Pima Indians of Arizona. It adds support that refined grains are the problem, not whole natural grains. Our ancestral diet was a combination of a lot of natural whole foods - not processed partial foods.
I think you are right about the processed whole wheat breads that we purchase in stores. I read that once you grind up the wheat berries, that within about one day a lot of the nutrients are lost. Apparently, whole wheat (light brown) flour is very unstable. On the other hand, refined wheat (white) flour is very stable, but most of the nutrients have been stripped from it. I'm not sure how the bread manufacturers make these whole wheat breads, and really how nutritious it really is (other than what you can read from the labels). But when you make a natural whole grain bread yourself, fresh from the oven, you know that it is as good as it gets.
You are also right that it is so hard to get 100% away from refined carbs, unless you make and prepare all your own foods.
Reading your post reminded me that I should make my own whole grain bread too. I haven't done that in a long while. I made some banana bread this evening with natural whole wheat berries, water, eggs, milk, flax seed, bananas, nuts, and raisins. Except for a little butter on the pyrex bread pan, there's nothing else. I just pulled it out of the oven. I don't put yeast in it too, so it quite dense, but easy to eat since it has so much fruit in it.
Thanks for sharing with us the story about the Pima Indians of Arizona. It adds support that refined grains are the problem, not whole natural grains. Our ancestral diet was a combination of a lot of natural whole foods - not processed partial foods.
I think you are right about the processed whole wheat breads that we purchase in stores. I read that once you grind up the wheat berries, that within about one day a lot of the nutrients are lost. Apparently, whole wheat (light brown) flour is very unstable. On the other hand, refined wheat (white) flour is very stable, but most of the nutrients have been stripped from it. I'm not sure how the bread manufacturers make these whole wheat breads, and really how nutritious it really is (other than what you can read from the labels). But when you make a natural whole grain bread yourself, fresh from the oven, you know that it is as good as it gets.
You are also right that it is so hard to get 100% away from refined carbs, unless you make and prepare all your own foods.