OK so I know white bread is NO GOOD and whole wheat/grain is the healthier way to go so my question is what about other breads like Seeded Rye or Pumpernickle(sp?) How are they?

I do like Whole Wheat but I love love rye bread and I just wanted to see if it was any better for me than plain old white bread.....

Thanks-a-mucho!!!
Jade :angel:

Most of those breads are whole grain, as well as having individual benefits, so they're good for you too! Even white bread isn't the DEVIL, it's just not optimal if you're looking to have bread that's nutrient rich..

before selecting a healthful bread, you should read the book dangerous grains..

Jade,

The package should say something like "100% whole grains". Read the list of ingredients. It should say whole grain everything (whole rye, whole wheat), and not "wheat flour", which is really white flour. Many breads have wheat flour (white) in them because it makes for a more tender bread.

--Rheanna

Jade,
Yes, whole grain IS better, however, if you suffer from ANY adverse conditions such as GI upset etc, then I would try to avoid wheat since wheat causes many problems for some people. Plus, I wouldn't OVERDUE wheat products.

actually whole wheat is still wheat. Wheat is not good for people in general, mainly because it contains GLUTEN (something very hard to digest). Many people are allergic to wheat and/or gluten and they dont even know it! It's a very common allergen. Rye and spelt also contain gluten, though I find I can get away w/ eating them w/o a stomach ache most of the time, so they must be alot less harsher then wheat. Some wonderful whole grains which are gluten free include: Oats (oat bread is delicious... but check the ingredients, because many oat breads include wheat), millet (which can be prepared like rice.. i love it!), brown rice, wild rice, amaranth, and quinoah. Hope that helps!

I'd actually like to add/correct that NOBODY's body agrees with wheat. Some people may be able to tolerate gluten, but everyone's body is opposed to wheat (though some may handle it better than others). I get a stomach ache from wheat, my friend breaks out, my mother gets tired... I recently met someone who gets a headache from it. Anyone, I think you get the point;)

That's silly! There are lots of people who tolerate wheat perfectly well! For example me!!!

I never ever have stomach problems, don't get headaches, am not fatigued, have lots of energy, maintain a healthy weight, my blood work is all perfect, I don't have acne, actually I have perfect skin. I'm perfectly happy, healthy and energetic and I eat wheat.

There is absolutely no proof that "everyone is intolerant to wheat". Yes, I agree there are individuals who are intolerant to wheat - those with celiac disease - but otherwise, please do not say that "everyone is intolerant to wheat" when it's just absolutely NOT true!

WOW!! Thanks everyone for all the replies. You all have given me great, very different, but all very interesting points!
Personally I have not noticed myself having difficulties digesting wheat, its just not my favorite kind of bread. I am glad to know I have A TON of different healthy options to try. (100% whole grain options :) )
Goldenseal- I am going to try your suggestions for sure, I have not even heard of some of them so this will be great!!!

Thanks again
Jade :angel:

tdot i can remeber you saying you studied nutriton, you should get the book dangerous grains and, read it.. you will freak out.. Im saying this like for example, lots of people smoke and, feel fine with it but, we all know how bad smoking can be.. just like the gluten. :)..

Amen Losec,

TDOT, I was fine and healthy eating wheat till i started having adrenal/thyroid issues. Gluten will catch up with you eventually, whether it's cancer, heart disease, depression, autoimmune. It's poison for at least half of the United States. If you're irish, dutch, swedish, scandinavian, english, by all means stay away from it, it's a silent killer really!!

I kind of sensed you coming in here thomas.. smart man.. keep going up hill. ;)

I actually have Addison's disease, but there is absolutely no proof that it is caused by eating wheat. If you said that to an endocrinologist, they would laugh. If wheat causes "adrenal issues", then why is primary Addison's disease so rare? And just to note, even though I have Addison's disease, I'm the picture of health. Most Addisonians are fatigued, often sick, etc - but not me. I work full-time in a very high-paced job, I coach soccer, play soccer, beach volleyball, work-out 2-3 times a week, and actually did a triathlon last winter. I'm never fatigued, always full of energy and feel vital and healthy.

Losec, I know you and I have talked about this before. Thanks for the book recommendation, but it's all about reference. There are books that say grains are bad and there are books that say grains are good. There are books that say milk is bad, there are books that say milk is good. There are two sides to every story and personally I'm not willing to put all my faith in some author who uses testimonials as research. I'm a scientist at heart, when I believe something, it's because of scientific research.

If someone has been eating wheat all their lives, and says, oh, I'm fine eating wheat . . . it really doesn't finalize the matter. A better test would be to cut out wheat for a couple of weeks (at least two, but three would be better). Then introduce wheat back into your diet and see how you feel.

tdot.. a person smoking a pack of cigarettes everyday, is like a person eating a loaf a wheat bread eveyday. They feel perfectly fine.. but in reality they are not.. what im saying is that, its the overdose thats the problem in todays society.. Now since gluten is added into just about everything your eyes set on, it becomes very scary.. I mean, there is gluten in lipstick.. my girlfriend cant wear lipstcik,,or i cant kiss her..

A person who smokes a package of cigarettes a day doesn't feel completely fine. They have mucous in their throats, cough, get more colds etc. I eat wheat every day and I am in GREAT health. I have NO stomach problems, rarely get sick, my full blood work that I get done every 6 months always comes back perfect, I have lots of energy, I'm not constipation, bloated or ever get diarrhea, I don't get yeast infections, or any type of infections, my skin is perfect, my eyesight is great, my nails are healthy....the list goes on and on. I'm the picture of health and I EAT WHEAT. I totally realized that there are many individuals who are not able to tolerate wheat, but at this moment, I am not one of them.

yes if I can recall you are very young, like 21 or somtin.. k, But you did say that you are fine with it at this moment.. we shall see when you get older.. Remeber it catches up to you. Please get that book.. you 'll learn a thing or two.. :)

I'm not 21, I'm 25.

ok sorry.. anyways as you get older your body is gonna want to eat better quality foods and, wheat isnt one of them. :)

Thanks for the bread comments everyone!!

To Losec20mg and tdot!! :)
Good Luck with the WHEAT discussion! I am enjoying reading each post and point from both of you! I don't think I have ever thought about wheat so much!!!

Jade :angel:

I read an article that says one of the primary causes of Addison's disease is gluten intolerance. Like I said, you may feel healthy, but if you're eating wheat all the time, there are changes in your body happening without you feeling it. I learned the hard way, I felt good until I started getting severe anxiety attacks out of nowhere. I was happy, hardworking, and loved life until that day. I found that gluten caused all of this as well as having GI infections. Most health problems are digestive related, regardless of symptoms..

Thanks for the bread comments everyone!!

To Losec20mg and tdot!! :)
Good Luck with the WHEAT discussion! I am enjoying reading each post and point from both of you! I don't think I have ever thought about wheat so much!!!

Jade :angel:

I'm glad you enjoy the discussion. That is what this board is all about. There are two sides to every story and it's good for people to hear both.

I read an article that says one of the primary causes of Addison's disease is gluten intolerance. Like I said, you may feel healthy, but if you're eating wheat all the time, there are changes in your body happening without you feeling it. I learned the hard way, I felt good until I started getting severe anxiety attacks out of nowhere. I was happy, hardworking, and loved life until that day. I found that gluten caused all of this as well as having GI infections. Most health problems are digestive related, regardless of symptoms..

And Thomas, I have read A LOT of research on Addison's disease. I actually do talks at medical schools on the topic and I have never found any research that suggests that primary Addison's disease is caused by gluten intolerance. I realize that there must be info out there about this because I have heard people talk about this, but it is purely testimonial and not science/evidence-based.

TDOT,

What heritage do you have if you don't mind me asking? That's pretty cool that you speak on Addison's, but have you determined your cause of it yet. I know of a lab who specializes in adrenal insuffiency. I urge you to keep an open mind on this..There are causes for every single condition or disease or symptoms, with the number 1 underlying cause being gluten and/or GI infections. It is based on science.. It only makes sense since grains have only been in your diet for 10,0000 to 20,000 years compared to our millions of years of life on this planet. We simply haven't adapted to eating wheat yet, it sucks cuz I grew up on it and loved it. I would bet my life on it that if you found out through diagnostic testing what's causing your disease, you wouldn't need meds any longer.

Thomas I know you'r right.. because I to suffered from many serious conditions.. I also had epilepsy.. and, everything is gone.. I cant believe it.. and, Im a true believer that this junk is making millions of people sick.. MILLIONS.. oooff Im like a totally new man.. I feel good everyday that goes by.. and, I barely sleep..heheh :).. Gluten is very heavy to digest..

I was under the impression that a person should eat whole wheat for there health. If someone cuts out wheat what can they eat to still have a nutritionally sound diet? Avoiding grains like that sounds like the Adkins diet which has been proven to be unhealthy. I don't believe in cutting out any food group. Everything in moderation.

hmm we are not avoiding grains at all.. its easy to replace wheat.. Try Quinoa bread, or buckwheat bread, Millet bread, Rice bread, Corn bread.. you can also have tapioca muffins, or yummy corn muffins, the list goes on and, on.. I think that this is the way for variety in your diet.. not loading yourself with WHEAT WHEAT WHEAT everything.. People have wheat for breakfast, wheat for snack, wheat for lunch, wheat for snack, wheat for supper, wheat for late night snack again.. DUH!! no wonder people are sick.. most of them are anyway.

I don't know who's eating that much wheat. I have a hard time getting my family to eat whole wheat. They would rather have white pasta which is bad. When I go and buy real whole wheat bread they will not eat it. I also buy whole wheat pasta and cannot get them to eat it. They don't like the texture and taste. I really don't think a lot of people are eating that much wheat like you say. It's the processed flour people eat mostly and that is bad for you. So do you disagree with the new food pyramid guide that the US goverment came out with? It says we need whole wheat every day. You will never get me to believe that whole wheat is bad. It's the processed flour, sugar etc... that's bad.

its just that wheat is being consumed in large quantities my americans in the americano diet.. Half the population on this planet is having dificulties digesting this stuff.. people make glue with this stuff to put up wallpaper.. lolllllllllllllllll.. are you trying to tell me that wheat is better then Quinoa.?. sorry but i eat with my brain, not with my mouth.. (sorry that was harsh, but Im serious).. :)

"sorry but i eat with my brain, not with my mouth.."


Hey that is a good one. I'll remember to use it the next time someone tries to tell me whole wheat is bad for me.

It's the processed wheat that people are consuming. The white flour which is made from wheat but is processed down to a level where it becomes unhealthy. The other grains are not bad. As long as something is whole grain then it is good. Even pop corn is considered a whole grain and considered healthy as long as it's not slathered in butter and salt. I was actually surprised when I read that one but I had a boss who had diabetes and she could not eat the processed grains anymore but popcorn she could and whole wheat bread and oatmeal but not processed instant oatmeal. So whole grain is good no matter what grain. Wheat, corn etc.... and the others you listed also. Wheat is healthy as long as it's in a whole grain form.

I still say its not that healthy.. and, shouldnt be on that pyramid as 'The Grain'.. their should be a whole variety of grains on that pyramid, then people would have a real variety.. not just wheat.. the gluey stuff ya know.. Think about it..

It is on there as you say it should be with all of the grains. Whole wheat included. Whole wheat seems to be stressed more then the others though.

yes cuz its less expensive.. people dont wanna pay 6.00$ for a healthy bread, they rather buy an expensive pair of jeans. You should think about that one to. I just purchased 2 loaves of Quinoa and, millet bread today for 6.00$ each.

Wheat, and corn, and rice will always be stressed by a nation that produces excess wheat, corn, and rice.
Weathy farm conglomerates can buy lots of politicians.

I was under the impression that a person should eat whole wheat for there health. If someone cuts out wheat what can they eat to still have a nutritionally sound diet?
Plenty of people do very well without it or with very little of it. As already pointed out, there are plenty of other grains. Plus, IMHO, the emphasis on grains in the USDA food pyramid is not warranted. I think they have admitted that themselves with this new revision that recommends approximately 3 servings of whole grains a day. That leaves the rest that can be filled with refined products. Nobody can convince me that refined grain products are necessary for health.

Avoiding grains like that sounds like the Adkins diet which has been proven to be unhealthy. I don't believe in cutting out any food group.
This is a very common confusion but I don't know why. The reasons many recommend cutting down on or eliminating wheat have absolutely nothing to do with Dr. Atkins' plan . . . and absolutely nothing to do with carbs. And nobody is recommending cutting out any food group . . . not even Dr. Atkins, no matter what the anti-Atkins sites say . . . read his books.

Everything in moderation.
Indeed, including wheat if one chooses the eat it. Not the 3 and more servings a day I would estimate the majority of Americans eat.

I don't know who's eating that much wheat. I have a hard time getting my family to eat whole wheat. They would rather have white pasta which is bad.
Check that label . . . the pasta is wheat. Check all your labels. That's what we're talking about. Wheat is everywhere, not just whole wheat.

Yes, the processed stuff is worse, but whole wheat has its problems, too. No, there is not the scientific evidence that tdot would like (in fact financial interests will probably prevent that for a long time to come). But it is amazing how many people, from different angles, for different reasons, for different health reasons have concluded that wheat is not all it's cracked up to be. Just keep it in the back of your mind. One day if you wake up and realize you have been suffering some vague complaint and the doctors find no answers or some more concrete complaints, think about cutting out wheat.

Good post Auntjudy!

"That leaves the rest that can be filled with refined products. Nobody can convince me that refined grain products are necessary for health."


Actually the rest is filled with 2.5 cups veggies, 2 cups fruit, 3 cups milk or dairy, 5.5 oz meat/beans. Those were the recommendations for someone my age. They say no refined food at all. Americans will not stay away from that though. Most don't care about nutrition or know anything about it.

"That leaves the rest that can be filled with refined products. Nobody can convince me that refined grain products are necessary for health."

Actually the rest is filled with 2.5 cups veggies, 2 cups fruit, 3 cups milk or dairy, 5.5 oz meat/beans. Those were the recommendations for someone my age. They say no refined food at all. Americans will not stay away from that though. Most don't care about nutrition or know anything about it.

The rest of the grain group.

Good post Auntjudy!
Muchas gracias! But, boy oh boy, wheat is one of my pet peeves. As I've said before here and elsewhere, I'd love to see how many people's IBS/IBD/Crohn's/whatever symptoms would improve or disappear and how many people would get off SSRIs if they gave up wheat. Such a simple thing, but where would you hear about it in the mainstream media?

LOLLL aunty, for some wheat is like heroin..

I base my decisions on scientific fact. If someone can give me scientific fact that whole wheat is really bad for us then fine. So far all I am seeing is hype. The heroin comment is pretty rude I think. I think i'll bow out of this conversation if it's going to be all about hype and and people making rude comments.

LOLLL aunty, for some wheat is like heroin..
And people get so defensive about their wheat. It is just beyond belief!!!

kari start reading books and, you' ll see the experinces that people lived across the world and, how wrong they felt about their health when they where consuming wheat.. this is no hype.. trust me

It has some healthy roots:
"Give us this day our daily bread"
"the staff of life"
"manna from Heaven"
All wheat!
:D:D

Without wheat there would be no civilization, certainly nothing of the size mankind has grown to: man being able to develop wheat from the humble grasses allowed for the feeding of an otherwise untenable population.
Wheat and it's sister grain, rice, probably account for over half of all the food eaten (calories) on the planet.

It's gotten a bad rap by the meat and dairy sellers who would rather sell second-hand wheat...the meat, milk, cheese and butter made from wheat and costing 20 times as much.

If the population keeps growing at the same rate, we (or our ancestors) can look forward to eating LOTS more wheat directly; it will be too valuable to feed to animals except to feed the mega-rich.

I have scientific proof that wheat kills people, yes I said it kills. It causes cancer, cardiovascular disease, depression, autoimmune disease(lupus, hashimoto's thyroid, adrenal malfunction, and a host of others). The heroin comment is dead on. It is like a drug. It gives lots of pleasure until your neurotransmitters are depleted and then the chronic health probles arise. Nobody digests it fully. I know a woman with breast cancer that went of off gluten and cancer went away. What does that tell you? It's a silent killer and I have the scientific proof to back it up..

I would like to say the the two posts goldenseal posted, on page 2, were very significant and, well, aTRUE! I think you should all take a look cause he/she know what their talking about!! tdot, maybe your problems are hidden, and you don't even know it! Maybe it causes you stress or anxiety? Also, keep in mind that everyone's body's deal with things differently. In example; the bodies of 2 people who both live on macdonald's would obviously be very unhealthy, yet one could have acne and the other wouldn't! That just proves how some bodies are more quick and harsher to send our body signals. We all react differently. Inside, your body is probably suffering greatly, yet it hasn't sent you signals (Or maybe it has! And you overlooked it! Your diet can effect EVERYTHING! From how you sleep at night and your dreams to how your breath!)

Basically, gluten was not meant for people! It clumps up (once inside us) and messes with our digestion and bodies!

Its really not hard to quite gluten. There are plenty of wonderful gluten-free grains out there, and plenty of products that use them! Good luck;)

my friend with MS, is doing much better on a wheat/gluten free diet.

Itdot, maybe your problems are hidden, and you don't even know it! Maybe it causes you stress or anxiety?

I don't experience stress or anxiety. Actually people tell me all the time that they find me very calm. My life and health is great. I have loads of energy, never get sick, not stressed, depressed. I feel great and I eat wheat.

I agree with your statement that it is different for everyone, that no two people are alike. Some people may have difficulty with wheat, but I don't.

Tdot,

Wheat is a silent killer. I felt great for 33 years. You still can find the cause of your addisons if you want to. You said you don't experience stress? Well internally you certainly do since your adrenals don't work..You may feel good on the outside but inside there is a war going on...There are underlying causes for every single health problem out there and I have the research to prove it...

Oh Lord,
Wheat Kills, Soy kills, artificial sweetners kill, SUGAR kills, dairy kills, meat kills, potatoes kill, tomatoes kill, starch kills...did I miss anything?

If all this internet silliness were true, mankind would have died out during the Paleolithic age. Man is an okmnivore; he has evolved able to get nutrients need for survival from a HUGE variety of foods. It's only in a land of supreme surfeit that one has the luxury of pointing fingers at all the "EVIL" foods that others on the planet are dying WITHOUT!

A good marketing trick to sell a particular food is to call all competing foods evil; too bad everyone can't see through this seemingly obvious ploy!

Oh Lord,
Wheat Kills, Soy kills, artificial sweetners kill, SUGAR kills, dairy kills, meat kills, potatoes kill, tomatoes kill, starch kills...did I miss anything?

If all this internet silliness were true, mankind would have died out during the Paleolithic age. Man is an okmnivore; he has evolved able to get nutrients need for survival from a HUGE variety of foods. It's only in a land of supreme surfeit that one has the luxury of pointing fingers at all the "EVIL" foods that others on the planet are dying WITHOUT!

A good marketing trick to sell a particular food is to call all competing foods evil; too bad everyone can't see through this seemingly obvious ploy!

Lenin,

You've got it! All of what you said in your post is completely true. I actually find it funny reading about all the horrible things wheat can do to your body. I was just walking through the hall at work wondering - if wheat is so bad, why is my grandfather so healthy at 90 years old? He ate wheat his WHOLE LIFE!

Thanks for the sane support!

Ditto, I also agree with Lenin and tdot.

And specifically with this "wheat is poison you just don't know it" issue -- I've read extensively about celiac, because I have it myself. But the numbers I read are that 1 out of 100 or 200 or 300 or some UNKNOWN percentage of people in the western world have an intolerance or sensitivity to gluten. Using the 1 out of 100 number (nobody knows for sure!!!), that means that 99%+ of people live just fine and dandy WITH wheat in their diets. 99%!!!

I think that if someone is having various health problems, it MAY be that some food (uh, wheat isn't the only food that we as omnivores eat on this planet) is causing their personal body problems. An elimination diet is one way of determining if you feel better without a particular food. I personally do much better without gluten in my diet. But I feel REAL uncomfortable with informing the rest of the world that what I choose to eat or not to eat should be their choice as well.

--Rheanna

It doesn't affect everybody that's not what were saying. It affects about 50 percent of the population. My grandfather lived until he was 85, but he is 100 italian. People with northeastern european heritage need to stay away from it period. I have scientific proof to back it up. Like I said, it's a silent killer and creeps up on you. Ask Losec20mg, it almost killed him...

Rheanna,

You're right, 1 out of 100 have celiac, but you're missing something. 1 out of 2 have subclinical gluten intolerance. Celiac is the most severe form of gluten intolerance. 50 percent have it subclinically...I have all the data that says so...And somebody show me where a donuts, pizza, pasta, and submarine sandwiches are healthy.

It doesn't affect everybody that's not what were saying. It affects about 50 percent of the population. My grandfather lived until he was 85, but he is 100 italian. People with northeastern european heritage need to stay away from it period. I have scientific proof to back it up. Like I said, it's a silent killer and creeps up on you. Ask Losec20mg, it almost killed him...

Thomas,

Losec has health problems if he eats gluten, so therefore everybody should avoid gluten. I know people who have health problems with nightshade plants, so therefore everybody should avoid eating potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant, bell peppers, chili, etc. I know people who are deathly allergic to peanuts, so therefore everybody should avoid peanuts. I know people who can't eat mushrooms, so therefore everybody should avoid mushrooms. All we have to do is find out what ANYbody can't tolerate, and then go out and tell the world that because SOMEONE can't tolerate that food therefore they are secretly being poisoned by it as well.

--Rheanna

It doesn't affect everybody that's not what were saying. It affects about 50 percent of the population. My grandfather lived until he was 85, but he is 100 italian. People with northeastern european heritage need to stay away from it period. I have scientific proof to back it up. Like I said, it's a silent killer and creeps up on you. Ask Losec20mg, it almost killed him...

My grandfather who is 90 and very healthy is of Irish decent. He has eaten wheat his whole life and has no health problems other than hip replacement.

Rheanna,

You're right, 1 out of 100 have celiac, but you're missing something. 1 out of 2 have subclinical gluten intolerance. Celiac is the most severe form of gluten intolerance. 50 percent have it subclinically...I have all the data that says so...And somebody show me where a donuts, pizza, pasta, and submarine sandwiches are healthy.

Of course those things are unhealthy if they are refined! I don't eat donuts and when I eat pizza, pasta and sub sandwiches I eat the whole wheat version. If you told a Registered Dietitian that whole wheat pasta is unhealthy, they would strongly disagree.

Well, my doc would disagree with the dietician since he's seen breast cancer reversed by cutting out gluten. Thyroid problems have been linked to grains as well. I could list 50 health conditions related to gluten but I don't have time. I will list them tomorrow..

tdot if I would of listened to my dietitien, today I would of been dead.. thomas dont waste your time, enoy the nice weather and, go out to the park.. tdot will not believe us, she hasnet lived what we lived.. Although she does have addisons.. and, I know where thats coming from.

im out for the day, ill be back later. :)

she hasnet lived what we lived..

I haven't lived what you've lived because I'm not you! I almost died because my doctors misdiagnosed me for four months. At the end after four months of being very sick, my major organs shut down and was very close to death. I was diagnosed with Addison's disease in the nick of time by a very intelligent medical resident. Because of my experiences (which yes are not the same are yours because we're different people), I am applying to medschool this October. I feel very passionately about helping people and would like to help others like me with Addison's disease, but I know that when I do become a doctor, I will be using evidence-based research to guide me, not hype.

Answer one question.. What CAUSES addisons disease? Not how is it treated, but what causes it. That's the type of medicine I'm talking about here...Losec, you're right, I'm out to the golf course to enjoy the day...caio

The cause of Addison's disease is idopathic, meaning the cause is unknown, meaning noone knows the cause.

Wheat Kills, Soy kills, artificial sweetners kill, SUGAR kills, dairy kills, meat kills, potatoes kill, tomatoes kill, starch kills...did I miss anything?

If all this internet silliness were true, mankind would have died out during the Paleolithic age.

Humans were not eating much of that stuff in the Paleolithic . . . meat, yes, but not like the meat most of us eat today; same with dairy.

A good marketing trick to sell a particular food is to call all competing foods evil; too bad everyone can't see through this seemingly obvious ploy!
Do you really believe that all the "anti-" talk is a good marketing trick? You don't believe some people have real problems with some of these foods?

I actually find it funny reading about all the horrible things wheat can do to your body. I was just walking through the hall at work wondering - if wheat is so bad, why is my grandfather so healthy at 90 years old? He ate wheat his WHOLE LIFE!
Haven't you been saying that people react differently? It works both ways, you know.

So let's think about this a minute. Does EVERYONE live to be 90 years old and healthy? Some people live longer, healthily. Some people live a shorter amount of time and are unhealthy. It would seem there are other factors that contribute to such things.

So you think it is funny that some people have found a food that contributes negatively to their health and want to share that knowledge with others who might not otherwise think of it? Particularly in the face of others insisting it cannot be true; it is just a marketing ploy; just because it does not happen to them? Just because you are not the same?

TDOT,

There is really no more to say on this subject. We've both had our opinions, but mine was based on science. Conventional medicine may know about addisons, hashimoto's, depression, anxiety, autoimmune, etc...but they don't know what causes it. As a matter of fact, they don't know what causes anything. That's where functional medicine comes in. Yes conventional medicine saves lives everyday, but they don't know how to treat disease...Simply giving a drug for symptoms or an illness is a crime against humanity in my opinion, because it doesn't address the root cause. Nutrition, exercise, stress management are keys to optimal health. Our own government is letting us kill ourselves and they make one hell of a profit on our illness. I have met MD's personally who are sick of just treating symptoms with drugs, they really want to find out causes of illnesses. It's a paradigm shift happening as we speak. I just hope the FDA and the AMA don't try to stop it from happening or else we'll keep dying and suffering needlessly....

save your breath guys, we know what we know, leave the rest alone. They will learn as they live and, learn.

WOW, what an interesting thread. I have enjoyed reading your discussions very much. Much information from both sides. I believe that I have a sensitivity to gluten. I have attempted to come of wheat products before and failed each time. I can't figure out how to do it. I have IBS, depression and I am overweight. I have always been healthy and fit. I am active for the most part, I live in the country and have animals to tend, a garden and I love yardwork. However, for the past 10 years my health has been going downhill and I have gained 40 pounds. I was never overweight before, always around 120 pounds. Now 160. People look at me and think I am healthy, but I have the problems mentioned above and I feel sluggish and puffy. What I want to know from you who do not eat wheat is; how can I do it? I need your advice. Also, I don't have access to specialty food stores. I work 40 hours per week and the specialty shops are at least 45 miles away.
And...one more thing, I have a husband to cook for who will not give up wheat.

nubbin2

White bread is the only bread I eat. I've never had any problems eating it. :bouncing:

like i said, Gluten is like cigarettes you can smoke for 40 years and, be ok and, then just get news you have lung cancer from all the smoking you did. If your fine with gluten, doesnt mean your body can tolerate it.

like i said, Gluten is like cigarettes you can smoke for 40 years and, be ok and, then just get news you have lung cancer from all the smoking you did. If your fine with gluten, doesnt mean your body can tolerate it.

I've been eating white bread my whole life and I'm 37.
My Grandmother has also been eating white bread for her whole life and she is the healthy woman I know. Everyone is different and different foods effects people in different ways.

i ate white bread for 37 years too, now im 39 and, cant tolerate it. Your grandma is one of the few that made it.

i ate white bread for 37 years too, now im 39 and, cant tolerate it. Your grandma is one of the few that made it.
Few? Many, many people eat white bread and never have any problems. You do realise that there is gluten-free white bread?

WOW, what an interesting thread. I have enjoyed reading your discussions very much. Much information from both sides. I believe that I have a sensitivity to gluten. I have attempted to come of wheat products before and failed each time. I can't figure out how to do it. I have IBS, depression and I am overweight. I have always been healthy and fit. I am active for the most part, I live in the country and have animals to tend, a garden and I love yardwork. However, for the past 10 years my health has been going downhill and I have gained 40 pounds. I was never overweight before, always around 120 pounds. Now 160. People look at me and think I am healthy, but I have the problems mentioned above and I feel sluggish and puffy. What I want to know from you who do not eat wheat is; how can I do it? I need your advice. Also, I don't have access to specialty food stores. I work 40 hours per week and the specialty shops are at least 45 miles away.
And...one more thing, I have a husband to cook for who will not give up wheat.

nubbin2

nubbin2,

May I suggest that you start a thread labeled something like How Do I Change to Gluten-Free? or something so that the theme of that thread is to focus on useful suggestions. THIS thread is mostly arguments about how the rest of the world is dying from wheat and they just don't know it yet (zombies?).

You deserve a discussion and suggestions of your own. Also, on this Board (Diet and Nutrition) as well as on the Nutritional Disorders Board and the Digestive Disorders Board, there have been threads with lots of suggestions of what to eat. In each of these Boards you can do a search for "celiac" and get a bazillion threads that have discussed this theme. But I would love to make some practical suggestions just for your situation, and I'm sure there are lots of folks here who have some helpful things to say. But I'm not going to add anything more to this thread. :)

--Rheanna

zombies!!...LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

End of story.

You have each stated your case way too many times for one thread...say what you have to say once then move on.

Stop the arguing! :nono:
This is not a debate board.